A warning to those who send their XBox in for service

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#1 JGroove
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While I've frequented this site and forum for years, I just joined the forum tonight to post this up. My 4 year old XBox recently had the 3 red rings of death, since it was out of warranty I paid for the service and shipped off my console. I thought all was great until I got it back from service to find my Console was Banned. I have since then spent around 4 hours on the phone, mostly on hold with XBox to no avail. My box is still banned for a crime I have not committed. After the multiple run around I have received from Microsoft I submitted a complaint to the Better Business Bureau, he is my complaint, I have removed the reference numbers. This is a warning, I have been on the phone with Microsoft and even they have admitted that there is no paper trail of my console being banned and they did not know it was until I told them. But that has not changed the fact that at every turn no one wants to help me with an obvious mistake. I will update this as I have updates. 6/22/07 - purchased XBox with a Best Buy PRP from Best Buy 6/28/07 - DOA, exchange for a new off the shelf unit from best buy 2/01/11 - XBox, 3 red rings, would not turn on 2/04/11 - Purchase Microsoft repair ticket. Service # XXX 2/19/11 - Received at repair center in Mesquite, TX 2/21/11 - Microsoft Repairs & sends back unit 2/24/11 - Unit delivered 2/27/11 - Unpack and hook up unit, follow steps to set it back up, when attempting to connect to XBox Live; "This console has been banned for violations of the Terms of Use. To protect the Xbox LIVE service and its members, Microsoft does not provide details about console bans. There is no recourse for Terms of Use violations." I have owned this unit since new, it has never been out of my possession until sending it into service, it has never been tampered with and I have not committed or attempted to commit online fraud nor have I had a single violation let alone repeat violations. I also have not received any communication that my unit was banned via email or windows XBox online account. 2/27/11 - Called XBox support, CS pushed me off of the phone & directed me to their online forum for assistance. Reference # XXX 2/27/11 - Posted to Forum as directed. Post was deleted, emailed; "Your post was deleted by a moderator. Subject: Console Banned After Return from Repair Center Reason: We do not discuss console bans. If you believe you have received a banned console by mistake, please contact your local Xbox Support number. " 2/27/11 - Called support, on phone for over 2.5 hours, - escalated to Tier 3, specialist would contact me 48-72 hours. R # XXX 3/02/11 - I Called, was told Tier 3 phone lines were down, that was why I had not received a call or email 3/03/11 - I Called, Case re-escalated to Tier 3 3/03/11 - The service I have received has not been acceptable. I have paid for a product and a service that I have not been given. As of today my XBox console is still banned. 03/03/11 - Written complaint to the BBB with request resolution of: To have my current XBox 360 Serial # XXX unbanned or receive a replacement unbanned XBox 360 of equal or greater value. That is where I am at. -John
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#2 MW2ismygame
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well i think what you did was the right thing if CS was being a total ****(expletive of your choice HERE) and you spent good money have the BBB look into it

i dont know and i am not pointing fingers but IFyou are telling the truth then you are within your right entirely and microsoft should unbann or replace your xbox.

but IFyou are not telling the truth then they can show proof and you will be dismissed and will make a total ****(expletive here) of yourself i sincerely hope it is what i said in line 2 and microsoft is just being stupid good luck with your fight



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#3 KBFloYd
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so when you asked them what they banned you for... what did they say?

maybe you made an illegal modification to your xbox and they saw that when they opened it.

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#4 JGroove
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well i think what you did was the right thing if CS was being a total ****(expletive of your choice HERE) and you spent good money have the BBB look into it

i dont know and i am not pointing fingers but IFyou are telling the truth then you are within your right entirely and microsoft should unbann or replace your xbox.

but IFyou are not telling the truth then they can show proof and you will be dismissed and will make a total ****(expletive here) of yourself i sincerely hope it is what i said in line 2 and microsoft is just being stupid good luck with your fight



MW2ismygame
the way I see it I am out $498 right now. $399 for the original purchase of the system and $99 for the repair service.

so when you asked them what they banned you for... what did they say?

maybe you made an illegal modification to your xbox and they saw that when they opened it.

KBFloYd
I have owned the system since 2007 when I picked it up off of the shelve at Best Buy. the only time the system has ever been touched was by Microsoft when I sent it in for service. When I ask for an explanation all they say is that they cannot talk about it. I did have one helpful CS agent so far, I was on the phone with him for almost 2 hours. e backtracked all communication from XBox to me, he could find no records of my console being banned aside from it telling me and not working. Best we could tell is someone had a typo when keying in a real ban or someone at the service center decided to F with someone. That someone turned out to be me. I will not just let this go, in my complaint to the BBB my acceptable resolution was very fair, all I am asking for is for Microsoft to make their mistake right. But instead I have been getting the full run around at every turn from them. -John
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#5 cdragon_88
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The BBB:lol:. I'd be suprised if they can get you your xbox back. They're a joke. Whats not a joke is that your xbox is being banned for something that you have not done. I'm with you about how all this is BS. Unfortunately, I can't give you any tips, workarounds, etc but only wish you the best of luck and hopefully you get your Xbox unbanned. Keep us posted because one day i might be the one sending in my xbox.

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#6 JGroove
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The BBB:lol:. I'd be suprised if they can get you your xbox back. They're a joke. Whats not a joke is that your xbox is being banned for something that you have not done. I'm with you about how all this is BS. Unfortunately, I can't give you any tips, workarounds, etc but only wish you the best of luck and hopefully you get your Xbox unbanned. Keep us posted because one day i might be the one sending in my xbox.

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True, the BBB cannot do a lot, but hopefully it will be enough. I have my XBox back from service, they did fix my 3 red rings, but I cannot get onto XBox Live. -John
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#7 max-Emadness
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I Hope they fix this problem

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#8 xfactor19990
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wait so when people break the TOS on live they ban the console not the gamertag?
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#9 lamprey263
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I can only think 2 possible things happened... 1) you modded your Xbox 360 and they noticed when you sent it in 2) they didn't send you the same Xbox 360 back (this happens BTW), sometimes they take your Xbox 360 that doesn't work and give you a recently repaired one instead, check the console serial number to be sure
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#10 Serial_Killa
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Wow that sucks ass dude.Sounds like you have done all the right things though so I would continue on the path you are on.As hard as it would be to keep your cool I suggest keeping your temper in check and talk to them sensibly and eventually you will find someone who will help you.Keep persevering because usually the squeaky wheel gets the oil.;)

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#11 JGroove
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wait so when people break the TOS on live they ban the console not the gamertag?xfactor19990
That is another step in their "process" that seems to be missing from my situation. They do put a ban on the gamertag as well. But my gamertag is perfectly fine, it is just my console that is banned. The CS agents could not explain that one either. [QUOTE="lamprey263"]I can only think 2 possible things happened... 1) you modded your Xbox 360 and they noticed when you sent it in 2) they didn't send you the same Xbox 360 back (this happens BTW), sometimes they take your Xbox 360 that doesn't work and give you a recently repaired one instead, check the console serial number to be sure

1) I have never modded or attempted to mod my XBox, I have owned the system since new. The only time the system has ever been out of my control was when I sent it into service with Microsoft. 2) Double checked for that one two. All the serial numbers match up to the one I sent in.

Wow that sucks ass dude.Sounds like you have done all the right things though so I would continue on the path you are on.As hard as it would be to keep your cool I suggest keeping your temper in check and talk to them sensibly and eventually you will find someone who will help you.Keep persevering because usually the squeaky wheel gets the oil.;)

Serial_Killa
Thanks. I am trying to be. The people I reach on the phone are not responsible, but when I did have a good CS helping me out, he was reading me the SOP that was popping up on the screen which basically reads, End call as soon as possible and do not help banned customer. So, I'm basically fighting an uphill battle. -John
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#12 mazz211
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I feel bad for you man, I know what it's like to be on the end of the wrong decision, in July 2009 I sent my xbox in due to the disc tray not reading discs correctly, I got a replacement for my console and I was told that I had a 1 year extension on my warranty, they even told me they had updated my product & repair logs to show this, in April 2010 I contacted xbox customer support to ask for any solutions or possibility of a replacement as some of my discs were not being read and the others were taking 2-3 minutes to be read, when discussing a replacement I was told that I only received a 3 month extension on my warranty (which was absolutely wrong) I mentioned about the Product and repair log and they said it was only 3 months... after another hour I just given up, I just couldn't be bothered and now I use my brothers.... MS CS are absolute douchebags.
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#13 JGroove
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Mazz, I am sorry. :( We will see how far I get with the BBB complaint. If that does not work I will go to our local consumer reports news agencies, the XBox repair facility is local to me so the story would have a better chance of getting some air time. If that does not work I will move over to a court case. I don't want it to go any further than it already has, but no matter how well your doing in life, a couple of hundred dollars should not be just shrugged off as an oh well. -John
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I feel bad for you man, I know what it's like to be on the end of the wrong decision, in July 2009 I sent my xbox in due to the disc tray not reading discs correctly, I got a replacement for my console and I was told that I had a 1 year extension on my warranty, they even told me they had updated my product & repair logs to show this, in April 2010 I contacted xbox customer support to ask for any solutions or possibility of a replacement as some of my discs were not being read and the others were taking 2-3 minutes to be read, when discussing a replacement I was told that I only received a 3 month extension on my warranty (which was absolutely wrong) I mentioned about the Product and repair log and they said it was only 3 months... after another hour I just given up, I just couldn't be bothered and now I use my brothers.... MS CS are absolute douchebags.mazz211

So the first CS told you wrong, it is only a 90 day extension. That's why I always double check anything like a week later to make sure it's what it's supposed to be.

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#15 mazz211
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[QUOTE="mazz211"]I feel bad for you man, I know what it's like to be on the end of the wrong decision, in July 2009 I sent my xbox in due to the disc tray not reading discs correctly, I got a replacement for my console and I was told that I had a 1 year extension on my warranty, they even told me they had updated my product & repair logs to show this, in April 2010 I contacted xbox customer support to ask for any solutions or possibility of a replacement as some of my discs were not being read and the others were taking 2-3 minutes to be read, when discussing a replacement I was told that I only received a 3 month extension on my warranty (which was absolutely wrong) I mentioned about the Product and repair log and they said it was only 3 months... after another hour I just given up, I just couldn't be bothered and now I use my brothers.... MS CS are absolute douchebags.rgsniper1

So the first CS told you wrong, it is only a 90 day extension. That's why I always double check anything like a week later to make sure it's what it's supposed to be.

I would've been fine if they had said it only 90 days in the first place, but since I was guaranteed that it would be a year extension then that's what I went by, I feel sorry for people like the OP because chance's are that they don't have somebody in the same house that they can share their xbox with or anything and other people do get the xbox as a present and cannot get one unless it is a special occasion (Birthday, Christmas) and cannot afford to get it repaired (which was also what happened with me, but I don't mind sharing anyway so wasn't worth the money) Anyway JG, hope you get unbanned soon mate, if you're paying for a service then something like this happening when the product has returned is in-excusable.
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#16 squiggles_pro
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Bro, do NOT let MS **** you over. do not stop pestering them untill you get your Xbox un-banned.i got screwed out of a year of live because of crappy CS.

KEEP ON FIGHTING.

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#17 BLAS1AN
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it was just yesterday that you started the communication. keep trying till you get an answer and resolved. if one rep doesnt give you the answer you need try someone else.

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#18 darth-pyschosis
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If you are telling the truth, and I believe you, just keep bothering MS and then send your story, BBB complaint, and everything you've received from MS regarding the ban in an email to sites like Kotaku, TeamXbox, to their press/news department which you can usually find under "contact" tabs on their respective pages.

If you can get any attention from a major gaming site for this, then I bet MS will fix this in a heart beat

But also, if you're gamertag isn't banned, then couldn't you recover your achievements and stuff on a new 360? I mean, i know you shouldn't have to do that, but the Xbox is a terrific platform just with horrible CS. If you gamertag isn't banned (try recovering it on a friend's 360) then get another console, copy your saves to a USB drive and put them on a new 360. If you're still within the Best Buy Warranty I'd say just turn it in to them and get a new one and recover your gamertag, if you can't recover it start over with a new one I suppose.

BB offers 4 year warranties, if you have one of those that may work out for you, they are known to swap things on warranty for the loosest of reasons. Worse case you lie and tell them its broken

Also, when you do (and if) exchange it at BB, you will have to spend probably another $50 or so on another 2-4 year warranty, but its worth it when you can just swap

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#19 daviwinn
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Same thing happened to me on a warranty claim, received a refurb back and it was banned. email support instead of calling them. http://support.xbox.com/en-us/pages/email-us.aspx

People tend to do what's right when it is in writing. Be sure to provide dates, confirmation codes,serial numbers and any other info you have.

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#20 JGroove
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Same thing happened to me on a warranty claim, received a refurb back and it was banned. email support instead of calling them. http://support.xbox.com/en-us/pages/email-us.aspx

People tend to do what's right when it is in writing. Be sure to provide dates, confirmation codes,serial numbers and any other info you have.

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Thank you. Sending an email now. -John
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#21 Ratjack2k5
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the BBB is nothing. Watched a thing where they showed that places can pay them off for a good grade. They had a business owner who had a c- call up the BBB and pay over the phone and they gaver her an A automatically. I hope you get your stuff figured out soon.

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#22 deactivated-61cf0c4baf12e
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Did you have an Xbox live account?

If so you can sue them given that you paid for something they are not giving you based on nothing.

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#23 catfishmoon23
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My local news station has a segment where they deal with consumer complaints in which the companies responsible usually fix the problem. Maybe one of your local stations has something similar?

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#24 JGroove
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the BBB is nothing. Watched a thing where they showed that places can pay them off for a good grade. They had a business owner who had a c- call up the BBB and pay over the phone and they gaver her an A automatically. I hope you get your stuff figured out soon.

Ratjack2k5
That is what I am afraid of, but I have to give it a chance.

Did you have an Xbox live account?

If so you can sue them given that you paid for something they are not giving you based on nothing.

_TheJoker_
I do, it is part of my reasoning against Microsoft, I am a current customer for a product and a service, my Gold auto renews in November. Wost part is I use my XBox to mostly keep in touch with family. I'm in Texas, my sister and Brother in law are in New York and my Parents live in Florida. My wife and I get on with them and play Forza , Left 4 Dead etc. and that is how we keep in touch.

My local news station has a segment where they deal with consumer complaints in which the companies responsible usually fix the problem. Maybe one of your local stations has something similar?

catfishmoon23
That will be my next step, the repair center is actually local to me, so it will make the story more likely to be picked up. Microsoft just sent me a XBox Customer Report survey via email, I have until the 11th to fill it out, so that means they have until the 11th to fix my issue or their numbers will take a hit. -john
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#25 JGroove
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My Better Business Bureau complaint went to Microsoft this morning and low and behold I now have a scheduled phone call with their tier 3 support help for tomorrow evening after work. Hopefully all will be taken care of tomorrow. -John
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#26 darth-pyschosis
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My Better Business Bureau complaint went to Microsoft this morning and low and behold I now have a scheduled phone call with their tier 3 support help for tomorrow evening after work. Hopefully all will be taken care of tomorrow. -JohnJGroove

That is good to hear dude. Also, thanks for not going postal on this forum. A lot of people come to these forums and have issues, and while it is justifiable that they are upset about the various things that cause them to make topics about issues with any video game related service, you've done so in a both informative and cool headed manner. It's just nice to see on the internetz.

Don't give up, the Xbox 360 is a fantastic console, I'd hate to see their errors in customer service and various mistakes push a gamer away from a platform that has so much to offer.

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#27 JGroove
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New update, I just got off of the phone with Microsoft corporate. I now have a new case number and a direct call back to this service guys desk. As it turns out, all of the other "Tier 3" statuses were fake and made up to get me off of the phone. It was my BBB report that finally got me to the correct people. I should hear back Monday after he talks with the Live team to see what if any reasons they have for banning my serial number. I am very disappointed with the standard service I received, since I now know that I was constantly lied to. But I finally have their attention and a direct number. As always, I will add updates as more come about. -John
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#28 Schreek
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I know this is kind of a freak occurence but this is kind of scaring me away from Microsoft for the next generation.

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#29 360hammer
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Did you have an Xbox live account?

If so you can sue them given that you paid for something they are not giving you based on nothing.

_TheJoker_

good luck with that one. sueing is not quite as easy as many would think it is and winning is even tougher when your sueing a company. Atleast the TC got 4 years out of the console. I got 5 months out of an elite. Nice of you to share but most people will continue to buy their console and online service. I for one will not be doing either.

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#30 360hammer
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I know this is kind of a freak occurence but this is kind of scaring me away from Microsoft for the next generation.

Schreek

Not so, more people have been done wrong than people care to admit. Most are called trolls or fanboys. I'll just say after my exp. I'm staying very far away from any console they put out next gen or any gen for that matter.

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#31 Serial_Killa
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New update, I just got off of the phone with Microsoft corporate. I now have a new case number and a direct call back to this service guys desk. As it turns out, all of the other "Tier 3" statuses were fake and made up to get me off of the phone. It was my BBB report that finally got me to the correct people. I should hear back Monday after he talks with the Live team to see what if any reasons they have for banning my serial number. I am very disappointed with the standard service I received, since I now know that I was constantly lied to. But I finally have their attention and a direct number. As always, I will add updates as more come about. -JohnJGroove

Good to see you are getting somewhere although it is a bit of a worry how much BS you have had to endure to get to this stage...not good at all.Hope it turns out well and I am sure it will.

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#32 CodingGenius
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since this has to do with broken Xboxes, it belongs in the broken Xbox stickied thread.