All games should run at 60 frames per second... no less!

I've just been playing COD4 (which is awe-inspiring). The game seems to run at 60fps with very few, if any, frame hiccups.

However, I couldn't help but notice that when I went back to playing Bioshock and Halo (which both run at about 30fps), I really noticed the frame rate drop. I mean, it's not as if they are lagging along or anything, but after playing a game where the frame rate is 60 per second, it's very noticeable when you switch back to games that aren't.

I'm not being funny but I cannot play these games straight after COD4 anymore.... I have to wait a while or I'm just distracted by the frame rates.

But seriously, COD4 - I haven't had so much fun with a game since.. well, I dunno... but it's very good (as everyone already seems to know).

i notice this too...after experiencing games with 60 frames per second like call of duty 4 and forza 2, i can't go back to playing games with lower framerates. I hope more game developers prioritize framerates when creating their games.

I think there is a way to smoothen out the framerate using the 3:2 pulldown feature found in most HDTVs...motion picture companies use a special film stock that records at 24 fps only because this type of film is cheap and a lot of film is needed. There are film stocks that are able to record at 60 fps but are only used in amusement park simulation rides because they are very expensive.

What the 3:2 pulldown feature does is it repeats each frame at two or three times ---producing 72 frames per second. I have not yet tried this yet but i will when i finally get an HDTV.

On my computer monitor I get a refresh rate of 60 hz so the screen is redrawn 60 times per second. I can definitely see a difference between call of duty 4 and games with lower framerates like halo 3, gta 4, etc.

i personlay thing that it is because call of duty 4 is a faster game then halo 3.

i don't care about performance of a game. it is not about how the graphics r i like a good game with a story and multiplayer.

Your eyes can't even discern 60 FPS, so saying you can't play anything with a framerate of less than 60 FPS doesn't make a lot of sense.bdhoff

[QUOTE="bdhoff"]Your eyes can't even discern 60 FPS, so saying you can't play anything with a framerate of less than 60 FPS doesn't make a lot of sense.elektrixxx

I am. People read others talking about how more is better in a lot of things, the worst offenders being computer enthusiasts.

[QUOTE="bdhoff"]Your eyes can't even discern 60 FPS, so saying you can't play anything with a framerate of less than 60 FPS doesn't make a lot of sense.elektrixxx

Your human eye can not see a difference between 30fps and 60fps.

The reason it's appearing slower is probably because Bioshock and Halo are just slower games.

Or, check and increase your TVs Refresh Rate. But you should not be able to see a difference - it's not a 'statement', it's a biological fact.

[QUOTE="elektrixxx"][QUOTE="bdhoff"]Your eyes can't even discern 60 FPS, so saying you can't play anything with a framerate of less than 60 FPS doesn't make a lot of sense.PiNwOrM

Your human eye can not see a difference between 30fps and 60fps.

The reason it's appearing slower is probably because Bioshock and Halo are just slower games.

Or, check and increase your TVs Refresh Rate. But you should not be able to see a difference - it's not a 'statement', it's a biological fact.

So basically you have no idea what you're talking about. The human eye can see up to 300fps; please do not spam these boards with something you haven't researched.

[QUOTE="elektrixxx"][QUOTE="bdhoff"]Your eyes can't even discern 60 FPS, so saying you can't play anything with a framerate of less than 60 FPS doesn't make a lot of sense.PiNwOrM

Your human eye can not see a difference between 30fps and 60fps.

The reason it's appearing slower is probably because Bioshock and Halo are just slower games.

Or, check and increase your TVs Refresh Rate. But you should not be able to see a difference - it's not a 'statement', it's a biological fact.

lol they eyes can only take in 30 fps so really idk how 60 fps is sooo much better, i guess its a little smoother but not really the most important thing...Zcrimson07

Did you read the rest of the thread before you posted? I don't know where everybody got that idea about 30fps being the max for human eyes, but it IS NOT TRUE!! Your eyes can take in up to 300fps. PLEASE do NOT spam the boards with unresearched statements. Just because you think it's true doesn't make it fact.

I've just been playing COD4 (which is awe-inspiring). The game seems to run at 60fps with very few, if any, frame hiccups.

However, I couldn't help but notice that when I went back to playing Bioshock and Halo (which both run at about 30fps), I really noticed the frame rate drop. I mean, it's not as if they are lagging along or anything, but after playing a game where the frame rate is 60 per second, it's very noticeable when you switch back to games that aren't....I cannot play these games straight after COD4 anymore.... I have to wait a while or I'm just distracted by the frame rates.

thetruespin

Well you have high expectations. I doubt they will be met any time soon. Even though you have been acclimated to the frame rate of COD4 you can still get used to slower frame rates. All it takes is about a week away from a 60 frames per second game and those 30 fps games will feel normal again. But yeah I know exactly what you are talking about. To me higher frame rates give games a more 'deluxe' feel.

Expectations for improvements in games is seemingly endless, the desire for better graphics, frame rates and controls will never end until it is as real as life itself. What then? Will we all prefer this new virtual world that we will inevitably create over our own (Earth) with its superior rules and possibilties?

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Staying on topic, just increase the sensitivity when you play games you feel are slow.

no no no. i DO understand what he's talking about. some of u guys are lacking that 10% percent.

cod 4 does run smoother, as if the entire level is loaded and u get the feeling that every object in the game is solid. weird but bare with me.

as opposed to games like halo in where u feel like things are constantly loading and runs like so. u feel as if things can appear and dissapear cause they're abstract.

blah.. it's weird to explain but u can tell the difference. the ones who don't, don't really have perception developed like we do. theres another word for that but i cant recall.

Yeah I agree too, all games should be 60 fps. COD4 runs really smooth.

You can't just magically make games run at 60fps...it takes a lot of work

Also, the people talking about the eye recognizing no more that 30 frames are full of ****, I sure as hell notice a difference between 30 and 60 fps

So basically you have no idea what you're talking about. The human eye can see up to 300fps; please do not spam these boards with something you haven't researched.

ck02623

Your brain couldn't possibly register 300FPS, nevermind 100. The ONLY thing you might notice at 30FPS is very slight tearing if you turn rapidly, and even that is unlikely.

Please do not spam these boards with something you have not only not researched, but have no basic knowledge about, either.

lol

no

Gears is 30 fps and its so smooth :)

Being a PC gamer first i know A LOT of about FPS and managing your FPS. 60 is not needed. why exactly is cod4 60? maybe very fasted paced fps with sprint. but they game would have looked SO MUCh better with clear textures (30 fps)

[QUOTE="ck02623"]

So basically you have no idea what you're talking about. The human eye can see up to 300fps; please do not spam these boards with something you haven't researched.

PiNwOrM

Please do not spam these boards with something you have not only not researched, but have no basic knowledge about, either.

Say what you may, but you clearly have NO idea what you're talking about; you're just trying to sound smart after you googled it. Unfortunately you chose the wrong site, so you are wrong again

That being said, your misplaced condescension is ironic after you posted this completely false statement: "Your human eye can not see a difference between 30fps and 60fps." Clearly you are an expert in vision as well as grammar and spelling. "Can not?" Seriously.

By the way, the comma in your last sentence is completely unneccessary.

[QUOTE="ck02623"]

So basically you have no idea what you're talking about. The human eye can see up to 300fps; please do not spam these boards with something you haven't researched.

PiNwOrM

Your brain couldn't possibly register 300FPS, nevermind 100. The ONLY thing you might notice at 30FPS is very slight tearing if you turn rapidly, and even that is unlikely.

Please do not spam these boards with something you have not only not researched, but have no basic knowledge about, either.

There you go again making unfounded post and making yourself look bad again. The FPS is well over 200. You were told years ago that 30 fps was the most you could see, but that was on old research. The current research suggest well over 200 fps.

CK is right.

[QUOTE="PiNwOrM"][QUOTE="ck02623"]

So basically you have no idea what you're talking about. The human eye can see up to 300fps; please do not spam these boards with something you haven't researched.

ck02623

Please do not spam these boards with something you have not only not researched, but have no basic knowledge about, either.

Say what you may, but you clearly have NO idea what you're talking about; you're just trying to sound smart after you googled it. Unfortunately you chose the wrong site, so you are wrong again

That being said, your misplaced condescension is ironic after you posted this completely false statement: "Your human eye can not see a difference between 30fps and 60fps." Clearly you are an expert in vision as well as grammar and spelling. "Can not?" Seriously.

By the way, the comma in your last sentence is completely unnecessary.

I don't believe the human eye can distinguish between 100 or 300 FPS, you keep saying you're an expert and everyone else has no idea what they are talking about, well until you give me any credible evidence to support your statement then i'm choosing not to belive you. BTW i don't consider any game related site "credible".

^^why don't you research yourself. I took the time to see which person was blowing smoke up my butt. Clearly, you prefer others to do your work. You are a parasite and as Andrew Ryan says not pulling your fair share of the chain. CK is closer to the truth concerning fps you can see.

100+ and well over 200 fps we can see. If you spend 5 minutes, then you would see that Pinworn doesn't know where to start when discussing fps that can be see by the human eye. The main point of ck was that 30fps or 60fps is no where close to what the human eye can see. He overstated the amount, but current research suggest well over 200 fps. Spend some time doing your own research then come back. One site doesn't equal research read 4-8 different sites and then judge which one is isn't trying to blow smoke up your butt. You will discover that the eye can see 200+. but around 100 is it. The people that keep stating 30fps let others do their thinking for them.

^^why don't you research yourself. I took the time to see which person was blowing smoke up my butt. Clearly, you prefer others to do your work. You are a parasite and as Andrew Ryan says not pulling your fair share of the chain. CK is closer to the truth concerning fps you can see.

100+ and well over 200 fps we can see. If you spend 5 minutes, then you would see that Pinworn doesn't know where to start when discussing fps that can be see by the human eye. The main point of ck was that 30fps or 60fps is no where close to what the human eye can see. He overstated the amount, but current research suggest well over 200 fps. Spend some time doing your own research then come back. One site doesn't equal research read 4-8 different sites and then judge which one is isn't trying to blow smoke up your butt. You will discover that the eye can see 200+. but around 100 is it. The people that keep stating 30fps let others do their thinking for them.

HK88

Great links you posted with your so called facts.

^^why don't you research yourself. I took the time to see which person was blowing smoke up my butt. Clearly, you prefer others to do your work. You are a parasite and as Andrew Ryan says not pulling your fair share of the chain. CK is closer to the truth concerning fps you can see.

100+ and well over 200 fps we can see. If you spend 5 minutes, then you would see that Pinworn doesn't know where to start when discussing fps that can be see by the human eye. The main point of ck was that 30fps or 60fps is no where close to what the human eye can see. He overstated the amount, but current research suggest well over 200 fps. Spend some time doing your own research then come back. One site doesn't equal research read 4-8 different sites and then judge which one is isn't trying to blow smoke up your butt. You will discover that the eye can see 200+. but around 100 is it. The people that keep stating 30fps let others do their thinking for them.

HK88

Oh yea, coming from the person who is willing to preach to everyone without providing any credible evidence, and just expects everyone else to go and do research themselves. Take the time to show some evidence rather then making everyone else work harder.

^^Andrew Ryan should be commended for his observations of paraistes that leech of other people's work. If you want links, then you have your pc. Get to it. If you disagree with what i said, then you can go look it up then stop posting here once you read the research that has been done into fps that can be seen by the human eyes.

PS: I wasn't the first person to state it, i just reaffirmed it after spending some time looking it up to see who didn't know what they were talking about. If you want freebies, then Welfare is ------>.

^^another person that doesn't want to do their own research. I am not here to give handouts. I have did my research and agreed/disagreed with other people. If you want links, then you have a pc get to it. HK88

You are ignorant and not providing links to back up your nonsense.

^^why don't you research yourself. I took the time to see which person was blowing smoke up my butt. Clearly, you prefer others to do your work. You are a parasite and as Andrew Ryan says not pulling your fair share of the chain. CK is closer to the truth concerning fps you can see.

100+ and well over 200 fps we can see. If you spend 5 minutes, then you would see that Pinworn doesn't know where to start when discussing fps that can be see by the human eye. The main point of ck was that 30fps or 60fps is no where close to what the human eye can see. He overstated the amount, but current research suggest well over 200 fps. Spend some time doing your own research then come back. One site doesn't equal research read 4-8 different sites and then judge which one is isn't trying to blow smoke up your butt. You will discover that the eye can see 200+. but around 100 is it. The people that keep stating 30fps let others do their thinking for them.

HK88

:-)

Why would you guys want internet links to "prove" this? Obviously you guys read the wrong information somewhere, and I could also probably find a site that Claims Elvis is alive; read some published journals and stop relying on the internet, which is full of ignorant know-it-alls who are all too willing to provide you with false infomation.

But if you MUST read it somewhere else:

http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

[QUOTE="HK88"]

^^why don't you research yourself. I took the time to see which person was blowing smoke up my butt. Clearly, you prefer others to do your work. You are a parasite and as Andrew Ryan says not pulling your fair share of the chain. CK is closer to the truth concerning fps you can see.

100+ and well over 200 fps we can see. If you spend 5 minutes, then you would see that Pinworn doesn't know where to start when discussing fps that can be see by the human eye. The main point of ck was that 30fps or 60fps is no where close to what the human eye can see. He overstated the amount, but current research suggest well over 200 fps. Spend some time doing your own research then come back. One site doesn't equal research read 4-8 different sites and then judge which one is isn't trying to blow smoke up your butt. You will discover that the eye can see 200+. but around 100 is it. The people that keep stating 30fps let others do their thinking for them.

ck02623

:-)

Why would you guys want internet links to "prove" this? Obviously you guys read the wrong information somewhere, and I could also probably find a site that Claims Elvis is alive; read some published journals and stop relying on the internet, which is full of ignorant know-it-alls who are all too willing to provide you with false infomation.

For the rubbish he is saying, I need something to back up his ridicolous comments.

Some that states 30fps is the most you can see is taken as fact, but someone that reads scientific journals and then makes a statement that contradicts the 30fps is required to provide links, but the 30 fps isn't?

NOTE: I didn't ask for any links. I did my own research then posted. I think it is time for the little kiddies to go to bed, or become big boys and do some research.

Your eyes dont work in frames :?

Some people need to stop talking about things they no nothing about.

Heres a link for the ones who are interested in this type of research: http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

Your eyes dont work in frames :?

Some people need to stop talking about things they no nothing about.

Heres a link for the ones who are interested in this type of research: http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

sadikovic

Um...we're not talking about how the human eye percieves, we're talking about how fast the framerate on a game can be for you to percieve it... That's the exact same link I posted btw.

[QUOTE="sadikovic"]

Your eyes dont work in frames :?

Some people need to stop talking about things they no nothing about.

Heres a link for the ones who are interested in this type of research: http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

ck02623

Um...we're not talking about how the human eye percieves, we're talking about how fast the framerate on a game can be for you to percieve it... That's the exact same link I posted btw.

Well know one can fully answer that question since their is know way in measuring such a test, which is the reason why I posted the link.

Unless you have figured out a way of doing so?... all I know is I can see the difference between 30-60fps its actualy very clear in most fast paced games.

While I can definitely notice the difference at low fps, once you get above 40 I can't really see much difference between that and 60fps

As long as framerate doesn't impede the gameplay I'm not too bothered what it is

I think there is far too much focus on framerate, and being able to put the "runs at 60fps" bragging rights on the game is more important than the quality of the graphics - Halo 3 - case in point. Resolution was dropped from 720p down to 576p just so they could get the higher framerate and the bragging rights.

OMG, I've never seen anything like this anywhere else but System Wars; people claiming they know the 'truth' and talking as they do but in fact stating the opposite.

So, let me get this straight: there are people in here who claim the human eye can only see 30 frames per second and wouldn't see a difference in 60 frames per second but haven't actually tried it out themselves? First lol. Then, they use a... what? billion year old research to back it up? Second lol. They said milk was nothing but healthy too a few years back, no one forgot about that.

You can actually see the difference between 100 and 140 frames per second depending on who sees it. The human eye is actually capable of seeing over 200 frames per second.

And no I don't have any source other then actual writtings of scientists that I can't show via internet. But since apperently everyone will take any site as truth here you go: http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html

[QUOTE="ck02623"][QUOTE="sadikovic"]

Your eyes dont work in frames :?

Some people need to stop talking about things they no nothing about.

Heres a link for the ones who are interested in this type of research: http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

sadikovic

Um...we're not talking about how the human eye percieves, we're talking about how fast the framerate on a game can be for you to percieve it... That's the exact same link I posted btw.

Well know one can fully answer that question since their is know way in measuring such a test, which is the reason why I posted the link.

Unless you have figured out a way of doing so?... all I know is I can see the difference between 30-60fps its actualy very clear in most fast paced games.

Geez man you need to edit that; it's almost unreadable.