Am I the only one completely disgusted by matchmaking?

I've never seen anything wrong with good ole' Serverlists in games.

It's simple and I get to play EXACTLY what I want while being able to choose the game with the best connection while being able to completly aviod those certain "terrible" maps every game has because unlike matchmaking IT ACTUALLY LETS ME PICK MY MAP.

Enter Halo 2 and it's matchmaking that has taken over the gaming industry, we couldn't pick our map we wanted to play but I was sure it was an oversight and that it was probably left out to meet some deadline and was SURE Halo 3's matchmaking would include such a basic feature in an online game..... I was wrong. I honestly thought by 2007 we would AT THE VERY LEAST have a matchmaking system that at least lets us pick the map we want.

What's worse is that nearly every popular game on the 360 now uses matchmaking, even Gears of War 2 uses it which has completly ruined the experience for me. (aside for other obvious design choices)

Here we are in 2009 and games are moving AWAY from choice and forcing me into maps I never wanted to play in the first place. IMO matchmaking is moving the gaming industry backwards taking away from the freedom of gamers.

I find it hilarious that the "360" in the Xbox's name was used because the console was supposted to "put the expierience around the gamer." You were supposted to get unpresidented choice in everything you did. Yet the 360 has more games that use matchamaking than ANY other console... Irony much?

Let us not forget that Matchmaking lets team stacking with your friends easier than ever while making every one else's expierence terrible.

BF:BC had a great way to find games. You got to choose between ranked or unranked,the map,and what mode you wanted. Also TF2 for the xbox 360 lets you choose. I prefer getting to choose what i play rather than random.

BF:BC had a great way to find games. You got to choose between ranked or unranked,the map,and what mode you wanted. Also TF2 for the xbox 360 lets you choose. I prefer getting to choose what i play rather than random.

craigalan23

True there are a few games that may be "kinda" popular that don't use matchmaking but the point of this post was to point out how all the games are becoming "infected" with it and how there is no end in sight and people don't seem to care at all.

P.S.: I own TF2 for the PC and love every minute of it. Have nearly 400 Hours logged into it according to X-Fire.

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BF:BC had a great way to find games. You got to choose between ranked or unranked,the map,and what mode you wanted. Also TF2 for the xbox 360 lets you choose. I prefer getting to choose what i play rather than random.

protoking

True there are a few games that may be "kinda" popular that don't use matchmaking but the point of this post was to point out how all the games are becoming "infected" with it and how there is no end in sight and people don't seem to care at all.

P.S.: I own TF2 for the PC and love every minute of it. Have nearly 400 Hours logged into it according to X-Fire.

I think more games should be like BF:BC because it was really easy to use and i got to play whatever i wanted whenever i wanted. Though sometimes matchmaking isn't that bad i like a bit of randomness.

P.S. Also i'm around 450 hours on the xbox 360 version lol.

I have seen some games do it horribly (Gears of War could have been improved), but other games do it wonderfully (Lost Planet). Some games should have had it (GTA4).

I don't think it is completely necessary because i have found that i do like CoD4 and Halo 3 quite a bit. It works well enough so you do play all the maps because when it comes down to certain PC games it seems that many of them like to play the same 3 maps over and over and over again. They may be good, but it gets boring.

Some games that could have used it like GTA 4 could have used removing social from the game and allowing guests in ranked because have nearly 30 different gametypes really spreads the game a little thing. So that game could have used multiple fixes. But i don't think it would have been necessary to add a server list. Because while they are nice i have only seen LP do it super well with its auto updating list. Otherwise i have only seen Gears of War with the limited like 5 server choices and long refreshing times for new servers...

I have seen some games do it horribly (Gears of War could have been improved), but other games do it wonderfully (Lost Planet). Some games should have had it (GTA4).

I don't think it is completely necessary because i have found that i do like CoD4 and Halo 3 quite a bit. It works well enough so you do play all the maps because when it comes down to certain PC games it seems that many of them like to play the same 3 maps over and over and over again. They may be good, but it gets boring.

Some games that could have used it like GTA 4 could have used removing social from the game and allowing guests in ranked because have nearly 30 different gametypes really spreads the game a little thing. So that game could have used multiple fixes. But i don't think it would have been necessary to add a server list. Because while they are nice i have only seen LP do it super well with its auto updating list. Otherwise i have only seen Gears of War with the limited like 5 server choices and long refreshing times for new servers...

Agent_Kaliaver

Yes Gears does take awhile to refresh the serverlists, I would really like to see a high budget popular game come out with an audo updating serverlist that also allowed you to party up. It would work by only showing you the games that have enough empty room for your party.

Best of both worlds.

Server lists are far from perfect though. SF4 lets you pick your game and it's really not always the easiest thing to accomplish.

BF:BC had a great way to find games. You got to choose between ranked or unranked,the map,and what mode you wanted. Also TF2 for the xbox 360 lets you choose. I prefer getting to choose what i play rather than random.

craigalan23

Every server based game I have played I've had mucho trouble attempting to get a decent party going. I wouldn't mind it if I had a game were it would work. (plus I don't generally care for matchmaking, I just play the game).

SOLUTION! If you dont like a map hit start and leave the game! Problem solved!

SOLUTION! If you dont like a map hit start and leave the game! Problem solved!

Maxwellmurder

Not really in some games people wont be able to take your place so that's not a great thing to do. Not to mention some games like COD4 throw you in the same lobby like ten times in a row and that's annoying needing to keep leaving to find a specific map and or gametype.

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SOLUTION! If you dont like a map hit start and leave the game! Problem solved!

craigalan23

Not really in some games people wont be able to take your place so that's not a great thing to do. Not to mention some games like COD4 throw you in the same lobby like ten times in a row and that's annoying needing to keep leaving to find a specific map and or gametype.

I find spiders and fetish pornography disgusting.

But yah, not a fan of matchmaking.

I don't really care about playing halo 3 online anymore.. nore Gears of war 2.. I prefer campain by far

By the way- the name "xbox 360" did not come from microsoft wanting to give the impression of 360 degree 'immersion', they did it as a marketing defense against the PS3. It's odd but they called it the xbox 360 because it has to compete with the PS3. get it? Xbox "2" < Playstation "3". Just wanted to share that lol.

Matchmaking in Halo was never perfect. the thought of random games was annoying, but it was a required addition to prevent griefing. think about it like that, guys. the more people get to choose what game they want to be in matchmaking, the bigger chance of people exploiting and griefing during games. thats why I can't complain anymore.

The main problem I have with server list is that you'll often see the same exact games on the same exact maps.

That and normaly serverlist games don't support parties.

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[QUOTE="craigalan23"]

BF:BC had a great way to find games. You got to choose between ranked or unranked,the map,and what mode you wanted. Also TF2 for the xbox 360 lets you choose. I prefer getting to choose what i play rather than random.

True there are a few games that may be "kinda" popular that don't use matchmaking but the point of this post was to point out how all the games are becoming "infected" with it and how there is no end in sight and people don't seem to care at all.

P.S.: I own TF2 for the PC and love every minute of it. Have nearly 400 Hours logged into it according to X-Fire.

I think more games should be like BF:BC because it was really easy to use and i got to play whatever i wanted whenever i wanted. Though sometimes matchmaking isn't that bad i like a bit of randomness.

P.S. Also i'm around 450 hours on the xbox 360 version lol.

The main problem I have with server list is that you'll often see the same exact games on the same exact maps.

That and normaly serverlist games don't support parties.

By the way- the name "xbox 360" did not come from microsoft wanting to give the impression of 360 degree 'immersion', they did it as a marketing defense against the PS3. It's odd but they called it the xbox 360 because it has to compete with the PS3. get it? Xbox "2" < Playstation "3". Just wanted to share that lol.

joe11king

[QUOTE="craigalan23"]

BF:BC had a great way to find games. You got to choose between ranked or unranked,the map,and what mode you wanted. Also TF2 for the xbox 360 lets you choose. I prefer getting to choose what i play rather than random.

Toriko42

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[QUOTE="craigalan23"]

BF:BC had a great way to find games. You got to choose between ranked or unranked,the map,and what mode you wanted. Also TF2 for the xbox 360 lets you choose. I prefer getting to choose what i play rather than random.

KorruptRaiden

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[QUOTE="Toriko42"] I wish more FPS games emulated this sytem, Halo 3 also has a great system because it is very fast and it works well.

I usually deplore Matchmaking though

chaoscougar1

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[QUOTE="KorruptRaiden"]
NO! everyone knows its like the slowest of all matchmaking systems, usually takes 5 minutes to find a game at least, i hate matchmaking, mgs4 and r6v2 did it perfectly.

KorruptRaiden

i like matchmaking, it helps keep the variety in the game and keep it fresh. if i kept playing the same game type and map over and over, i would get bored of it so quick and soon my favorite map and game type would become my most hatedchaoscougar1

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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] 5 minutes? really? rarely have to wait that long, maybe with gears, but halo usually only takes like 30 seconds maybe a minute

chaoscougar1

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[QUOTE="KorruptRaiden"]
Are you american, because every other country does not have their own servers for halo, so we lag even though our speeds are better and hence why it can take upto 10mins to get a game.

KorruptRaiden

I'll agree Halo 3 does have slow matchmaking and there is nothing more annoying than to hit "prefer good connection" and have it still send you into a laggy match.

I have a 25meg connection that is quite expensive so don't blame that.

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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] nope aussie, sorry to burst your bubble, but when i playing with or without americans its usually pretty quick

chaoscougar1

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[QUOTE="KorruptRaiden"]
Hmm this is strange, all my friends are asking me to play H3, then they all leave because they cant handle the long waits and the yellow bars, lucky you.

KorruptRaiden

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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] must be your connection:lol:

chaoscougar1

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[QUOTE="KorruptRaiden"]
10 mbs download and 8mbs upload is strong enough of a connection to beat many people, downloading demos from microsoft i usually get around 1.7mbs so i doubt its my connection, nat is open, ports are forwarded, its called dodgey servers and poor matchmaking considering how many people have the 5 min wait for a halo game.

KorruptRaiden

lost planet.. you can search and choose what you want to play.. same for unreal 3,, i prefer this to matchmaking aswell.. ive given up on gears 2 for that very reasondoll94

[QUOTE="craigalan23"]

BF:BC had a great way to find games. You got to choose between ranked or unranked,the map,and what mode you wanted. Also TF2 for the xbox 360 lets you choose. I prefer getting to choose what i play rather than random.

Toriko42

Play Frontlines Fuels of War then.

[QUOTE="KorruptRaiden"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] lol no the servers are fine, ITS JUST CAUSE YOUR 10,000 MILES AWAY, believe it or not it takes a small fraction of time to travel that distance. and i seriously dont know what your talking about with the wait time, cause any aussie ive ever played with gets a game pretty quick, a lot quicker than gears, thats for sure

chaoscougar1

[QUOTE="doll94"]lost planet.. you can search and choose what you want to play.. same for unreal 3,, i prefer this to matchmaking aswell.. ive given up on gears 2 for that very reasonxL33TxTALENTx

For non ranked server lists are good, cause you get to do what you want. But for ranked you need matchmaking to balance teams.

I don't see why games can't have both. Have a server browser for people who want something very specific, and have matchmaking for everyone who doesn't care.

I don't see why games can't have both. Have a server browser for people who want something very specific, and have matchmaking for everyone who doesn't care.

Palantas

I think it would have something to do with not enough people using matchmaking. :)

Server list... do you mean when you go online in a game and it has a list of servers showing the map, gametype, number of players and ping?

Yeah, that is a good idea, but a little PC-ish :(