Anonymous Xbox Engineer explains DRM and Microsoft's Xbox Intentions

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#1 destroyerman455
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An anonymous Xbox Engineer has enlightened us a bit about the Xbox One. This could all be faked, but it seems pretty legit nevertheless.

In short, Microsoft wanted to bring the concept of Steam to Xbox with a dose of steroids.

- Begin Enlightenment -

>The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to kill disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for shit value with nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam's model requires a limited used game model.

>The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam... You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)

>It's a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it's growing pains at the beginning with all it's drm shit as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on **** too...) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted shit.

>Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can't get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.

>Competition is the best man, it helps drive both to new heights. See technology from the Cold War. If we had no USSR, we'd be way worse off today. TLDR: Bring it on Steam 

>Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like "Well played Sony, Well played". That being said they are just riding the hype train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO **** US FOR NO REASON. Without actually thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to not find that disc your brother didn't put back... [...] just simpleminded people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all "U TOOK R DISCS" and they hiveminded.

>Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop ****s them on their trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you possibly cheaper games and everyone bitches at MS. Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.

>The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target, Amazon are KIND OF ****ING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current consoles, or a PS4. We're TRYING to move the industry forwards towards digital distribution... it'sa bumpy road

>Publishers have enourmous power. Microsoft is trying to balance between consumer delight, and publisher wishes. If we cave to far in either direction you have a non-starting product. WiiU goes too far to consumer, you have no 3rd party support to shake a stick at. PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is trying to push some things, at the expense of others. We have a vision, we'll see if it works in the coming years

>Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living room TV with an XBox on input one. It's the thing that gives the signal to your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet telephony, all that shit happens magically on some huge ass screen with hand / voice gestures... That's our goal.

>Google TV + PS4 + Minority report level gestures, that combined with a sick second screen experience (which is really hot for TV, I know I know.. tv tv tv tv tv... but it's ****ing sick when you have it). Games will be the same, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.

>By default it's on, listening for "Xbox On". You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can't just unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.

>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don't. Don't buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn't have a broadband connection don't get Live, and if you don't have an HDTV the 360 isn't that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool shit when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.

>Current plan is basically you're ****ed after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh

>If the power goes out you ain't playing shit. I'm assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're ****ed for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 cluster****

>What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that.

>The cloud capabilities is the shit they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute shit and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge.

>SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2 finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV... it's that. The tech is there, just needs to be applied. There is some really cool shit going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their profiles magically switch. It's sick. What does this matter? Now if you lean left/right it knows which person is leaning, even if 4 people are all int he same room. It's awesome.

>New service using Azure for cloud compute. Allows developers to not use clients for hosting multiplayer servers, or other tasks that do not require per frame calcuations. It's pretty sweet.

>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.

This was all from the Microsoft engineer that was on /b/ last night.

>It's not worth my time to prove it, or risk my Job. I work in Studio A, 40th ave in Redmond, Wa. The thai place in the studio cafeteria has double punch wednesdays. Go ahead and call them and verify if you want.

- End Enlightenment -

Source: http://www.neowin.net/news/anonymous-xbox-engineer-explains-drm-and-microsofts-xbox-one-intentions

I for one see these points as a valid argument and agree with them for the most part. However, I may still wait a little longer before I make my final choice like some of you PS fanboys. "0H ma1 g0sh da XB0n3 is tr4sh!!!!"

These points have slightly leaned me back towards Microsoft some more though. Slightly...

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">The cloud capabilities is the shit they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute shit and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge."

 

 

Why is it that this can be done on the PS4 without the need for cloud computing?

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#3 deactivated-63e66f5999640
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Personally I don't give a shit about the policies that they put in place. I'm gonna buy that system based on the games I seem so far, In which I like.
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Great read - I'm pumped. I just started getting into steam on my PS4 errrr.......my mid-level pc. If X1 starts getting discounts on games like that I'm gonna be happier than a pig in shit. 

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>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.destroyerman455
Is he joking? What exactly does the Xbone have that the PS4 does not besides the spy-camera and microphone? A higher price point? I suppose changing channels with obnoxious voice commands and kinect-style gameplay are supposed to be system-selling features. The XB one doesn't work as a cable box, you still need that plugged into your television. The XBone does not DVR, so you still need your TiVo. The Xbone doesn't play 360 games or even the easy-to-emulate xbox live arcade games, so you need a 360 on top of that pile of hardware too. Microsoft filed and received a patent for the technology to use it's connect to detect how many people are in the room and charge a "public viewing fee" if there are too many. Microsoft claims the Kinect 2 can officially track up to 6 people in the room, therefore you'll need another blu-ray player to watch your DVDs in case you have more than 6 people in the room. All of this you will need in addition to this so-called "all in one" device. If an engineer who helped design the bone really thinks voice-commands, drm, and "achievements" for watching television shows somehow makes the Xbone better for entertainment, then Microsoft may have more problems than we thought.
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[QUOTE="destroyerman455"]>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.waggs
Is he joking? What exactly does the Xbone have that the PS4 does not besides the spy-camera and microphone? A higher price point? I suppose changing channels with obnoxious voice commands and kinect-style gameplay are supposed to be system-selling features. The XB one doesn't work as a cable box, you still need that plugged into your television. The XBone does not DVR, so you still need your TiVo. The Xbone doesn't play 360 games or even the easy-to-emulate xbox live arcade games, so you need a 360 on top of that pile of hardware too. Microsoft filed and received a patent for the technology to use it's connect to detect how many people are in the room and charge a "public viewing fee" if there are too many. Microsoft claims the Kinect 2 can officially track up to 6 people in the room, therefore you'll need another blu-ray player to watch your DVDs in case you have more than 6 people in the room. All of this you will need in addition to this so-called "all in one" device. If an engineer who helped design the bone really thinks voice-commands, drm, and "achievements" for watching television shows somehow makes the Xbone better for entertainment, then Microsoft may have more problems than we thought.

 

Wow.......I feel a little crazy after reading that. Somebody forgot to take his medication. Playstation fanboys are turning into the son of sam.

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[QUOTE="destroyerman455"]>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.waggs
Is he joking? What exactly does the Xbone have that the PS4 does not besides the spy-camera and microphone? A higher price point? I suppose changing channels with obnoxious voice commands and kinect-style gameplay are supposed to be system-selling features. The XB one doesn't work as a cable box, you still need that plugged into your television. The XBone does not DVR, so you still need your TiVo. The Xbone doesn't play 360 games or even the easy-to-emulate xbox live arcade games, so you need a 360 on top of that pile of hardware too. Microsoft filed and received a patent for the technology to use it's connect to detect how many people are in the room and charge a "public viewing fee" if there are too many. Microsoft claims the Kinect 2 can officially track up to 6 people in the room, therefore you'll need another blu-ray player to watch your DVDs in case you have more than 6 people in the room. All of this you will need in addition to this so-called "all in one" device. If an engineer who helped design the bone really thinks voice-commands, drm, and "achievements" for watching television shows somehow makes the Xbone better for entertainment, then Microsoft may have more problems than we thought.

 

Well the Xbox One was originally trying to be THE best entertainment package out there before the backlash erupted. That being said, the X1 still has more Entertainment features than the PS4. TV, Sports, Movies, all the stuff they said that wasnt about gaming is what gives it the edge over the PS4 outside of gaming. Sure it isnt a Cable Box, but its the integration and movement towards something like that. The only reason why we havent heard more about it is because gamers have had such an out roar that most of the new features the Microsoft wants to boast is being concealed due to the public's want to see more gaming. I dont blame the public, I want more games too, but I dont think its worth trashing Microsoft over.

 

They took a leap of faith towards more than just gaming, but an all in one package and people dont like that. I understand both sides to an extent and believe its a good concept, but the way the came across with it is flawed.

 

I wont say Microsoft made a leap of faith and failed just yet. I feel like they are still in that leap and we wont know if it was worth a gamble or not for awhile.

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Well the Xbox One was originally trying to be THE best entertainment package out there before the backlash erupted. That being said, the X1 still has more Entertainment features than the PS4. TV, Sports, Movies, all the stuff they said that wasnt about gaming is what gives it the edge over the PS4 outside of gaming. Sure it isnt a Cable Box, but its the integration and movement towards something like that. The only reason why we havent heard more about it is because gamers have had such an out roar that most of the new features the Microsoft wants to boast is being concealed due to the public's want to see more gaming. I dont blame the public, I want more games too, but I dont think its worth trashing Microsoft over.

 

They took a leap of faith towards more than just gaming, but an all in one package and people dont like that. I understand both sides to an extent and believe its a good concept, but the way the came across with it is flawed.

 

I wont say Microsoft made a leap of faith and failed just yet. I feel like they are still in that leap and we wont know if it was worth a gamble or not for awhile.

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as a system the Xbox one looks great, the extra features I don't really care for but I can see the potential for it. As for the drm and required Internet MS presented it to us all wrong. They told us this is what it is take it or leave it. They should have told us yes Internet is required but its make the experience better and cloud techno talk. They should have told us yes there is drm and limits on used games, but in the long run its better for everyone which leads to cheaper games. They have a grand idea but didn't sell it to us the right way. I like the games they showed and I believe they can turn things around but it's a uphill battle, not because of the drm, required Internet and no used games. It's a uphill battle because the price, MS isn't selling this to us hard core gamers. They are going for mass market and take over the living room, with ps4 costing $100 less the Xbox one is going to need to sell the masses on why its worth $500 and sell us on its greater value.
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great post. now all we need is to get that ass Don Matrix (lol) guy on a stage or infron of a camera and repeat this information. 

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 as a system the Xbox one looks great, the extra features I don't really care for but I can see the potential for it. As for the drm and required Internet MS presented it to us all wrong. They told us this is what it is take it or leave it. They should have told us yes Internet is required but its make the experience better and cloud techno talk. They should have told us yes there is drm and limits on used games, but in the long run its better for everyone which leads to cheaper games. They have a grand idea but didn't sell it to us the right way. I like the games they showed and I believe they can turn things around but it's a uphill battle, not because of the drm, required Internet and no used games. It's a uphill battle because the price, MS isn't selling this to us hard core gamers. They are going for mass market and take over the living room, with ps4 costing $100 less the Xbox one is going to need to sell the masses on why its worth $500 and sell us on its greater value.gagit811

I agree on that. The price is something that is making me not want the console more than anything after reading this article. The only time I would be getting a new console would be this Christmas and my sister wants one too. So now my parents would have to buy 2 consoles and that is something I dont really want them to have to deal with.

The only thing we get out of it being that extra $100 is the kinect and that offer from Microsoft that if you Pre-Order an X1, you get a free year of XBL so that makes up for it.

But again, the price is absurd. And on GameStops website for packages, prices range up to $600-$700 for the bundles with a SINGLE game. PS4s prices are cheaper, but lack the Eye cam which cost as much as a Kinect, and also there isnt an Online Pass deal like the one MS is giving. And it still costs about $500 for the game packages even without eye cam.

Hopefully game prices go down like this guy in the article says at some point and all of this overly expensive stuff we get at the start will pay off.

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No thanks, MS screwed us big time. Screw drm, screw kinect, screw borrowing games to friends, screw not owning your disc, screw installing all games and screw X1. He can defend it all he wants PS4 can do everything the X1 can and without restricting users
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The most relevant point is on the new game price. If that´s true, MS needs to show that as soon as possible. 

phbz

 

yes this!!! If they want this to be a point of theirs then they need to actually show us this!

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[QUOTE="phbz"]

The most relevant point is on the new game price. If that´s true, MS needs to show that as soon as possible. 

adders99

 

yes this!!! If they want this to be a point of theirs then they need to actually show us this!

I am hoping this article goes viral and Microsoft owns up to it and starts pushing on these points. They need to show the gamer that the X1 isnt evil and they need to start now. E3 was the best hope and they lost it. They have no choice but to change their strategy and the possibility of lowering game prices would help turn the tide back into their favor tremendously.

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ps 4 life

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ps 4 life

nyzma23

And this is why we cant have nice things.

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Bump

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[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

ps 4 life

destroyerman455

And this is why we cant have nice things.

like:)

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Honestly, I never looked at it that way before. Not to say that I wasnt pumped for the X1 beforehand, that was going to be and will continue to be the first console I purchase in the next year or so.
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I think I'll just agree with this

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I'll think I'll just agree with this

Legolas_Katarn

Isn't that the same thing basically except this one appears to be more condensed? 

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[QUOTE="Legolas_Katarn"]

I'll think I'll just agree with this

destroyerman455

Isn't that the same thing basically except this one appears to be more condensed? 

I'll think I'll?....I need to stop staying up so late.

No, I don't think an article about why the original message was bullshit and points out its stupidity makes it a condensed form of agreement.

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Originally Valve asked Microsoft to support and help build steam, now Microsoft are coping steam... Oh the irony
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No thanks, MS screwed us big time. Screw drm, screw kinect, screw borrowing games to friends, screw not owning your disc, screw installing all games and screw X1. He can defend it all he wants PS4 can do everything the X1 can and without restricting usersThe_Last_Ride
There more wrong with your post than correct. Such a fanboy....
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i see A LOT of similarities with what Microsoft is trying to do with the X1 and what Sony did with the PS3 & vice versa. Sony wanted to make the PS3 the ultimate entertainment device, the one at the center of every home's media center. PS3 had a powerful cell chip along with the blu ray drive that forced a very high console price which not only hurt sales but also made it more difficult for developers to create games using this unique chip. The sixaxis controller (that shipped with PS3) had movement functions using its Sixaxis feature but was vastly underutilized outside of a few 1st party titles. This made the PS3 initial purchase price way more expensive than the 360 but it also included EVERYTHING compared to the 360 which needed to sell add-ons and accessories to match the PS3 in terms of next-gen HD movie playback, wifi, XBL, rechargeable battery pack, etc... So while Sony was doing more and spending more they didnt explain it all too well while on the otherside, MS with the 360, rushed the 360 using more common (and cheaper) processors but did not put out a complete system at launch. but the average, uneducated, consumer only looked at the base price to buy the console and that's it! The 360 had a cheaper base price than the PS3 the average consumer bought a 360. This is the same thing thats happening now except that its MS that is spending more to develop a nicer next-gen console and its Sony thats trying to create a "cheaper" system and reap the profits. Maybe Sony is already planning many of the same things the MS has but realized the danger of consumer backlash and will unveil it slowly as it becomes more acceptable and better understood because MS has done a horrendous job of explaining the Xbox One and what its trying to implement (change). All MS has done is confused everyone with its used game & online rules making it easy for Sony to sell more preorders. Lastly, the PS4 isnt really $100 cheaper than the x1 either if you include the PS EYE ($60) , its only $40 cheaper, but i dont believe the PS EYE is as advanced as the Kinect otherwise Sony would have displayed more of it. but IMO Sony didnt see the PS EYE as something that would be commonly used and made it a separate purchase from the console bringing the price down.
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Of course this entire theory rides on the belief that XBox One releases will bring in more money than their PS4 counterparts as a result of these restrictions. Something I think is highly unlikely. I'd say that linking the sales often seen on Steam to DRM is questionable. I'm more inclined to believe that Steam has these offers in order to sell products that people aren't buying in satisfactory numbers. Supermarkets do it all the time.
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Of course this entire theory rides on the belief that XBox One releases will bring in more money than their PS4 counterparts as a result of these restrictions. Something I think is highly unlikely. I'd say that linking the sales often seen on Steam to DRM is questionable. I'm more inclined to believe that Steam has these offers in order to sell products that people aren't buying in satisfactory numbers. Supermarkets do it all the time.JohnTheGrudge
The funny thing pc games have always been cheaper then console games, even before digital downloads and steam. I remember n64 games costing $70 with pc games costing $40 or less retail. I'm not sure we get cheaper games from x1, I believe the money stays with the devlopers more but do they pass it on to us? Not likely but its a nice dream.
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And there´s the controller issue for the PS. If I end up choosing Sony I´ll have to put some more money into buying a decent controler. 

phbz

No matter how hard 3rd parties may try, the Sony controller will still feel awkward. Thumbsticks just aren't meant to be in the positions that they are on the PS Controllers.

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[QUOTE="phbz"]

And there´s the controller issue for the PS. If I end up choosing Sony I´ll have to put some more money into buying a decent controler. 

destroyerman455

No matter how hard 3rd parties may try, the Sony controller will still feel awkward. Thumbsticks just aren't meant to be in the positions that they are on the PS Controllers.

I remember they tried to change it and had so much backlash they changed it back. Its the most used controller design and the longest running with it going on 4 console generations. Its certainly not the most ergonomic design, Sony's going with the if it ain't broke by keeping the basic layout.
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#32 destroyerman455
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[QUOTE="destroyerman455"]

[QUOTE="phbz"]

And there´s the controller issue for the PS. If I end up choosing Sony I´ll have to put some more money into buying a decent controler. 

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No matter how hard 3rd parties may try, the Sony controller will still feel awkward. Thumbsticks just aren't meant to be in the positions that they are on the PS Controllers.

I remember they tried to change it and had so much backlash they changed it back. Its the most used controller design and the longest running with it going on 4 console generations. Its certainly not the most ergonomic design, Sony's going with the if it ain't broke by keeping the basic layout.

I wish they had at least a different version or something. When I played on my PS2 when I was younger, it was fine since my hands were smaller. Now that im older and have been accustomed to the Xbox Controller, it is almost unbearable to use my PS2 controller for pronlonged amounts of time. My fingers alone have a huge wing span haha.

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#33 firefox59
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[QUOTE="gagit811"][QUOTE="destroyerman455"]

No matter how hard 3rd parties may try, the Sony controller will still feel awkward. Thumbsticks just aren't meant to be in the positions that they are on the PS Controllers.

destroyerman455

I remember they tried to change it and had so much backlash they changed it back. Its the most used controller design and the longest running with it going on 4 console generations. Its certainly not the most ergonomic design, Sony's going with the if it ain't broke by keeping the basic layout.

I wish they had at least a different version or something. When I played on my PS2 when I was younger, it was fine since my hands were smaller. Now that im older and have been accustomed to the Xbox Controller, it is almost unbearable to use my PS2 controller for pronlonged amounts of time. My fingers alone have a huge wing span haha.

Sony is too stubborn to admit defeat. I couldn't believe when Nintendo released their own version of the 360 controller since they are always the ones innovating, but even Ninty admits to the better design.
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[QUOTE="destroyerman455"]>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.waggs
Is he joking? What exactly does the Xbone have that the PS4 does not besides the spy-camera and microphone? A higher price point? I suppose changing channels with obnoxious voice commands and kinect-style gameplay are supposed to be system-selling features. The XB one doesn't work as a cable box, you still need that plugged into your television. The XBone does not DVR, so you still need your TiVo. The Xbone doesn't play 360 games or even the easy-to-emulate xbox live arcade games, so you need a 360 on top of that pile of hardware too. Microsoft filed and received a patent for the technology to use it's connect to detect how many people are in the room and charge a "public viewing fee" if there are too many. Microsoft claims the Kinect 2 can officially track up to 6 people in the room, therefore you'll need another blu-ray player to watch your DVDs in case you have more than 6 people in the room. All of this you will need in addition to this so-called "all in one" device. If an engineer who helped design the bone really thinks voice-commands, drm, and "achievements" for watching television shows somehow makes the Xbone better for entertainment, then Microsoft may have more problems than we thought.

 

>Getting this worked up

 

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[QUOTE="waggs"][QUOTE="destroyerman455"]>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.ClassicRockFTW

Is he joking? What exactly does the Xbone have that the PS4 does not besides the spy-camera and microphone? A higher price point? I suppose changing channels with obnoxious voice commands and kinect-style gameplay are supposed to be system-selling features. The XB one doesn't work as a cable box, you still need that plugged into your television. The XBone does not DVR, so you still need your TiVo. The Xbone doesn't play 360 games or even the easy-to-emulate xbox live arcade games, so you need a 360 on top of that pile of hardware too. Microsoft filed and received a patent for the technology to use it's connect to detect how many people are in the room and charge a "public viewing fee" if there are too many. Microsoft claims the Kinect 2 can officially track up to 6 people in the room, therefore you'll need another blu-ray player to watch your DVDs in case you have more than 6 people in the room. All of this you will need in addition to this so-called "all in one" device. If an engineer who helped design the bone really thinks voice-commands, drm, and "achievements" for watching television shows somehow makes the Xbone better for entertainment, then Microsoft may have more problems than we thought.

 

>Getting this worked up

 

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This couldnt be anymore true when it comes to people trying to slam the X1 even more.

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Guys help me out on this one a bit... While I love what I am reading (if it is true) I don't understand the pricing of the games going down "like Steam"... I do not use Steam but took a quick look at the site and found that Call of Duty: Black Ops II was still $59.99, COD: Modern Warfare 3 is $39.99, Borderlands 2 $39.99 and the Walking Dead $24.99 to all be at or higher than what their counterpart on the consoles costs... Where would we actually see these "new prices"? If it is after the game has been out for a couple of months than in my mind that is no difference then buying the game at BestBuy when they have it on sale... Just saying...

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Anonymous means that it is not a primary source, which means that nothing that he posted has any value.

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#38 firefox59
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Anonymous means that it is not a primary source, which means that nothing that he posted has any value.

gatsbythepig
It means that MS didn't sanction it, but he is sick of the inaccuracies being spread so he decided to speak out.
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That still doesn't explain being online 24/7 and no backwards compatability
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#40 destroyerman455
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That still doesn't explain being online 24/7 and no backwards compatabilitywii60_3

 

It isnt always on 24/7, it just has to check in within 24 hours, which is too soon for a check-in in my opinion.

 

As for the reverse compatability, no idea. I wonder if they'll add some attachment to allow us to play 360 games though. That would be nice.

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If it was like Steam that would be a nice surprise

 

I highly doubt it though 

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#42 gatsbythepig
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[QUOTE="gatsbythepig"]

Anonymous means that it is not a primary source, which means that nothing that he posted has any value.

firefox59
It means that MS didn't sanction it, but he is sick of the inaccuracies being spread so he decided to speak out.

He seems to be spreading more inaccuracies and I don't trust the source. I'll wait for M$ to clarify their system.
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I don't want to have to worry about my connection while playing single player games. Period. I don't care if the Xbox one can dance and serve drinks. My main priority is playing games 24/7 WITHOUT having to worry about my damn internet connection. The games are all I care about. If I want anything else my PC can and handle it.

 

 

TV, The Cloud and Internet? Who cares? Just play the damn games I paid for without having to use the internet. I don't want to have to come home from work to find out my connection is down and I can't play the games I paid for. What part of that is so damn hard for them to understand. You're selling a gaming console so let me just PLAY THE DAMN GAMES!

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[QUOTE="firefox59"][QUOTE="gatsbythepig"]

Anonymous means that it is not a primary source, which means that nothing that he posted has any value.

gatsbythepig
It means that MS didn't sanction it, but he is sick of the inaccuracies being spread so he decided to speak out.

He seems to be spreading more inaccuracies and I don't trust the source. I'll wait for M$ to clarify their system.

Well it's alright not to make a console decision cause this isn't official, it's just annoying when people completely ignore or devalue information (not saying you are) because it goes against all the anti-xbox crap that's been going around. I'm sure at least some of this is true.
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#46 gatsbythepig
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[QUOTE="firefox59"][QUOTE="gatsbythepig"][QUOTE="firefox59"] It means that MS didn't sanction it, but he is sick of the inaccuracies being spread so he decided to speak out.

He seems to be spreading more inaccuracies and I don't trust the source. I'll wait for M$ to clarify their system.

Well it's alright not to make a console decision cause this isn't official, it's just annoying when people completely ignore or devalue information (not saying you are) because it goes against all the anti-xbox crap that's been going around. I'm sure at least some of this is true.

I agree with you that some of that is true. That's the problem though. It's only some of the information. I do appreciate people gathering information too, I am just always wary of info with no source. When there is no source, there is no proof, and much of what is gleaned is just rumor. However, as we both know, M$ just changed some policies and released more news on the Xbone. So now all of us know more and it came from MS.