ya its great and all, but why do they have dlc nearly a month after release? just stick it in the game. i feel cheated out of money when i get a game then dlc comes out a week later.
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I think i remember one developer saying that when developing a game, it gets to a stage where they have to stop adding stuff to a game, and just polish everything and make sure everything already in it works. Then it goes gold. While this is going on, rather than have the level designers, artists etc. just sitting doing nothing waiting for the game to get polished , they get them to work on potential DLC, and so by the time the game actually ships to us, they could be near done with the DLC, ready to release it over XBL or whatever.
Of course you'll always gets companies who will hold stuff back on purpose just to get an extra buck, but i wouldn't suspect that of all developers. If theres DLC coming from Activision a week later ..... i'd say its pretty certain they kept it out of the game on purpose to rip us off *cough* DJ Hero david guetta pack *cough* :P
I get annoyed by it. I would rather seen 5 DLC's put into a sequel game than trickled out, but that's just myself. Apparently most people don't have the patience to wait for a sequel. I also can't store much of it as I only have a 20 gig hard drive and I don't want to go buy a larger one right now.
ya its great and all, but why do they have dlc nearly a month after release? just stick it in the game. i feel cheated out of money when i get a game then dlc comes out a week later.
Remora133
So what you're saying is that you don't want games released until everything that can go into the game is in the game?
I'm sorry but I don't want to wait around, I'd rather have the option to refresh games I really enjoy when the devs think something up
The only time dlc ever annoyed me is with Marvel Ultimate Alliance. It's FREE dlc but it's required to play with people online. Sure it's all fine and dandy until they remove it.. So now I can't play with anyone.
A game is usually done a month--month an half before its gold then months before its done everything is going through getting the bugs out they done adding more stuff in the game. But i do hate when they charge for dlc on day one.
I fully fine with the games comes with a code to get that dlc for free if you buy brand new it stops some people get it new vs used off the bay
If ya have a problem with DLC within a month of release, how is your feelings with buying a game used and then having to pay to have access to the DLC like in ME2 with the Cerberus Network, or on the PSP with the new Socom, have to pay sony 20 bucks to have access to the multi-player if you buy the game used.Shadowalker1191I can understand why they do it though, since they get nothing from used game sales. Maybe they should work out some system with gamestop etc. so that they do get a percentage of used game sales ... rather than penalise us customers. It doesn't affect me anyway, i never buy used games.
If ya have a problem with DLC within a month of release, how is your feelings with buying a game used and then having to pay to have access to the DLC like in ME2 with the Cerberus Network, or on the PSP with the new Socom, have to pay sony 20 bucks to have access to the multi-player if you buy the game used.Shadowalker1191Well with ME2, if you buy it new. no matter when, no matter where, you get it for free. I don't mind them doing something like that to combat the used game market(even though to the contrary, they passively support it) DLC was a good idea, but like all good idea's its been grossly abused. When you announce DLC six months before the game comes out, your just withholding material. Because unless your current development schedule minus the planned DLC is 24/7, you have time to put it in. You choose not to, in order to milk money out of consumers. I don't like GTA IV but I can at least appreciate what they did with DLC, they did what was expected of DLC when it was first proposed. Others mostly just nickel and dime consumers, using DLC.
Ya the DL content I can deal with, but when you have to Pre-order it from a certain store, or buy another game to get everything possible in the game, that makes me sad lol
For example, for Dragon Age, if you Pre-Order of like Amazon or other stores you can get bonus Items like the Blood Dragon Armour.
are you serious? that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever heard, removing DLC that is required to play online, geniusThe only time dlc ever annoyed me is with Marvel Ultimate Alliance. It's FREE dlc but it's required to play with people online. Sure it's all fine and dandy until they remove it.. So now I can't play with anyone.
craigalan23
If ya have a problem with DLC within a month of release, how is your feelings with buying a game used and then having to pay to have access to the DLC like in ME2 with the Cerberus Network, or on the PSP with the new Socom, have to pay sony 20 bucks to have access to the multi-player if you buy the game used.Shadowalker1191That was an excellent idea by the developers/publishers to make sure that they actually get paid for their games, instead of making Gamestop, Gamecrazy, etc money for their hard work.
[QUOTE="Shadowalker1191"]If ya have a problem with DLC within a month of release, how is your feelings with buying a game used and then having to pay to have access to the DLC like in ME2 with the Cerberus Network, or on the PSP with the new Socom, have to pay sony 20 bucks to have access to the multi-player if you buy the game used.Legolas_KatarnThat was an excellent idea by the developers/publishers to make sure that they actually get paid for their games, instead of making Gamestop, Gamecrazy, etc money for their hard work.
Good point actually.
Games developers don't get any money for any pre-owned games sold by these sorts of companies. And tbh I'm surprised it has been allowed for so long.
So DLC is a way for the games developers to get more money directly. So what. That is a good thing. It should mean they are able to put more resources into making better games in the future.
Besides the fact that a game just has to get released at some point so people can start playing, regardless of how many other add-on ideas there may be, having DLC so early is surely to try to stem the tide of trade-ins from day-one buyers. Take me and BioShock 2, for example. I've finished the campaign and done as much of the execrable multiplayer as I could stomach, and in the absence of any other news, this was 100% getting traded back towards Final Fantay XIII by me. Now knowing that there'll be some single-player DLC soon, I may revisit that plan.
I really think Dragon Age is onto something by putting in a code for free DLC episodes with new purchases. If subsequent buyers of the disc want the DLC, BioWare can still make some money from that transaction,while people who bought the game new in stores feel better about their purchase.
ya its great and all, but why do they have dlc nearly a month after release? just stick it in the game. i feel cheated out of money when i get a game then dlc comes out a week later.
Remora133
No one is forcing you to get DLC.
I like DLC. As long as the game is complete, thats what i paid for a complete game. DLC can be great, look at Borderlands, its keeping that great game going. If you dont like it, let it pass by.
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ya its great and all, but why do they have dlc nearly a month after release? just stick it in the game. i feel cheated out of money when i get a game then dlc comes out a week later.
Jaysonguy
So what you're saying is that you don't want games released until everything that can go into the game is in the game?
I'm sorry but I don't want to wait around, I'd rather have the option to refresh games I really enjoy when the devs think something up
I agree with Remora here I really would rather wait to get a complete game rather than pay full price for a game thats been rushed out by the publisher only to be charged again for stuff that could have gone on the disc in the first place. The fact you dont want to wait almost says you dont mind being ripped off because your impatient!Extra multiplayer maps are ok but not least for a few months after release but extra episodes or levels should either go on the disc or be built up with more content to warrent there price.
I agree with the fact that no one is forcing you to buy it but now almost every game is being released then has downloadable content does anyone not think that some game developers or publishers might be removing some content from games just so they can sell it as DLC. Although there is no proof of this I would be suprised if it does not happen. Remember at the end of the day they are companies making money ( they would'nt be here else ).
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ya its great and all, but why do they have dlc nearly a month after release? just stick it in the game. i feel cheated out of money when i get a game then dlc comes out a week later.
mudfrog
So what you're saying is that you don't want games released until everything that can go into the game is in the game?
I'm sorry but I don't want to wait around, I'd rather have the option to refresh games I really enjoy when the devs think something up
I agree with Remora here I really would rather wait to get a complete game rather than pay full price for a game thats been rushed out by the publisher only to be charged again for stuff that could have gone on the disc in the first place. The fact you dont want to wait almost says you dont mind being ripped off because your impatient!Extra multiplayer maps are ok but not least for a few months after release but extra episodes or levels should either go on the disc or be built up with more content to warrent there price.
I agree with the fact that no one is forcing you to buy it but now almost every game is being released then has downloadable content does anyone not think that some game developers or publishers might be removing some content from games just so they can sell it as DLC. Although there is no proof of this I would be suprised if it does not happen. Remember at the end of the day they are companies making money ( they would'nt be here else ).
thanks shark. and ya no one is forced to buy it, and i agree with that. but at the same time, if they are almost done with it, why not throw it in the game. i honestly dont mind, and i have bought dlc. sometimes when it comes out like a month later, it seems like they could have stuck it in. i think dlc is a cool thing and i like it when i dont feel cheated lolThat was an excellent idea by the developers/publishers to make sure that they actually get paid for their games, instead of making Gamestop, Gamecrazy, etc money for their hard work.[QUOTE="Legolas_Katarn"][QUOTE="Shadowalker1191"]If ya have a problem with DLC within a month of release, how is your feelings with buying a game used and then having to pay to have access to the DLC like in ME2 with the Cerberus Network, or on the PSP with the new Socom, have to pay sony 20 bucks to have access to the multi-player if you buy the game used.mudfrog
Good point actually.
Games developers don't get any money for any pre-owned games sold by these sorts of companies. And tbh I'm surprised it has been allowed for so long.
So DLC is a way for the games developers to get more money directly. So what. That is a good thing. It should mean they are able to put more resources into making better games in the future.
this actually makes a lot of sense. i feel like when i buy used, im cheating the company out of money. but dlc is a good way to give them the money they deserve. i do like dlc, just not a month after the game comes out[QUOTE="Remora133"]
ya its great and all, but why do they have dlc nearly a month after release? just stick it in the game. i feel cheated out of money when i get a game then dlc comes out a week later.
No one is forcing you to get DLC.
no one is forcing you to read thisYou have to understand, when the game is going gold, there are level designers and programmers sitting around doing nothing. It only makes sense, from a business stand point, that they will start working on DLC ASAP. The DLC is normally cut content that was not good enough, or tested in time for the game, so it has to be DLC. It only makes sense that you pay for it, the developers should be paid for the stuff the make. They could stop with the game on the disc, but they don't, so they should be paid for it.ya its great and all, but why do they have dlc nearly a month after release? just stick it in the game. i feel cheated out of money when i get a game then dlc comes out a week later.
Remora133
I don't get it. So devs should be compensated for not completely finishing games before release? I know that we all like to get games sooner rather than later, but it's also nice to get games completed rather than still in beta*cough*Left4Dead*cough*.
EDIT: The only good solution I see to get the devs the most money possible is to just offer the games with a voucher that allows gamers to DLC a month earlier than people who buy used. It could simply read that you put in the voucher code or not, and show the DLC on the available to download list according to that. That way, people who buy used aren't cheated, and people who buy new are still given an advantage that they'll think was worth the $5 extra they paid for it.
The way I look at it is, there's a cutoff date to go live with the game. Some things make the game some things don't. Like deleted scenes from a movie. The game that ships is DONE. You can play the game without the DLC. There may be updates to fix bugs that are necessary, but those are free because they're fixing issues that possibly make the game unplayable. All extra content is just that. Extra. So they're putting the work in for that and must be compensated. If you built a house and were asked to add another room, you'd want to be paid right? As for your solution that you talk about, aren't they already doing that? People who preorder or buy special editions get a promo code to download DLC on the day of release. Sometimes, like in the case of Mass Effect 2, the launch day DLC which is free to the special edition owners or people who pre-ordered, etc, is also available to buy for those people who didn't pre-order or only bought the regular edition. So late buyers or people who buy used, have to pay for the extra content.I don't get it. So devs should be compensated for not completely finishing games before release? I know that we all like to get games sooner rather than later, but it's also nice to get games completed rather than still in beta*cough*Left4Dead*cough*.
EDIT: The only good solution I see to get the devs the most money possible is to just offer the games with a voucher that allows gamers to DLC a month earlier than people who buy used. It could simply read that you put in the voucher code or not, and show the DLC on the available to download list according to that. That way, people who buy used aren't cheated, and people who buy new are still given an advantage that they'll think was worth the $5 extra they paid for it.
MPHhunter
True. There's also the case where they did build that extra room, and you paid for it, but they built a wall instead of a door, and they want you to pay the full price of that room just for them to tear down the wall and build the door. Like in Assassin's Creed 2. That's where DLC has just gone too far. Actually, what they're doing in the case of Mass Effect 2 and BF:BC2 is simply taking away the abillity of DLC unless you buy the marketplace. And in the case of SOCOM: Fireteam Bravo 3 they're taking away the ability to play multiplayer unless you buy it for $20. These are things I see as unfair. Things like this make some people not want to buy the game at all. What I'm saying is that people who buy used and new should get the same things(they paid for the same game, and they should get the same game is the way I see it), except people who buy new should get those things earlier. You see it done all of the time with game demos, such as the Uncharted 2 and Battlefield: Bad Company 2 early access multiplayer demos if you pre-ordered the game. Why not do it with the DLC, too?MPHhunter
With regards to AC2 and Mass Effect 2, I agree to a point. I am disappointed in AC2 for having a whole district of Florence locked for DLC, and for the actual DLC not to be that high of quality. But with Mass Effect, EA is just trying to boost new-game sales versus used-game sales, because that gets them more money. It's not perfect, but you really aren't missing that much without the DLC of ME2. I miss Oblivion-style DLC, where it was pretty cheap, mostly good quality add-ons, like the Wizard's Tower and such. Not Horse Armor. No one asked for that. XD
If its free then I don't care. If its for money then that makes me mad because now I have to dish out more cash (i.e. Gears of War 2)!
That was an excellent idea by the developers/publishers to make sure that they actually get paid for their games, instead of making Gamestop, Gamecrazy, etc money for their hard work.[QUOTE="Legolas_Katarn"][QUOTE="Shadowalker1191"]If ya have a problem with DLC within a month of release, how is your feelings with buying a game used and then having to pay to have access to the DLC like in ME2 with the Cerberus Network, or on the PSP with the new Socom, have to pay sony 20 bucks to have access to the multi-player if you buy the game used.mudfrog
Good point actually.
Games developers don't get any money for any pre-owned games sold by these sorts of companies. And tbh I'm surprised it has been allowed for so long.
So DLC is a way for the games developers to get more money directly. So what. That is a good thing. It should mean they are able to put more resources into making better games in the future.
Ok, when the game is sold new the developer, publisher, marketing and every other department got there share of that game being sold. It was factored into the price of it from the start. When someone like GameCrazy sells it, why should there customers have to pay more to access it, its the developer double dipping into the consumers pocket IMO![QUOTE="craigalan23"]are you serious? that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever heard, removing DLC that is required to play online, genius I can't play with anyone that has it downloaded. I tried playing with my friend and he had to delete it so we can play, It actually refused to let us play a fw times even after that. The best thing is he can download it still because it's in his download history.The only time dlc ever annoyed me is with Marvel Ultimate Alliance. It's FREE dlc but it's required to play with people online. Sure it's all fine and dandy until they remove it.. So now I can't play with anyone.
chaoscougar1
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ya its great and all, but why do they have dlc nearly a month after release? just stick it in the game. i feel cheated out of money when i get a game then dlc comes out a week later.
No one is forcing you to get DLC.
no one is forcing you to read this I realize that. I read the post and gave my opinion. Since when did that idea become invalid?Please Log In to post.
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