Assassins Creed 2. **Spoilers Warning**

What do you think will happen in AC2?

I think it will take place in modern time using the animus to assassinate templar leaders to elinimate th other peices of Eden. The Templars in modern day will keep using you through the game for this until you can access the memory of Altair finding a hiding place for the peice he possesses. The Templars in modern time will try to kill yu but you begin you escape usiing a pen to kill instead of a hidden blade and a mixture of stealth and fight sequences until you make your escape from the facility.

I also think that more of a stealth assassination feel to the geme should be added.

Keep the game focused mostly around close quarters combat in the modern day sequences.

i want to be able to swim...

thats it lol

More plot, it was so interesting but they barely developed it. As for the sequel I've heard other theories as to it being about the first piece of eden they found that destroyed the denver facility. As told from the perspective of subject 16's ancestor. Which was probably asian (forget exactly where its mentioned but its alluded to him being asian). So assassin's creed but with ninjas and in japan instead of the middle east.Ket87

you know 'asian' means more than 'ninjas and japan'

[QUOTE="Ket87"]More plot, it was so interesting but they barely developed it. As for the sequel I've heard other theories as to it being about the first piece of eden they found that destroyed the denver facility. As told from the perspective of subject 16's ancestor. Which was probably asian (forget exactly where its mentioned but its alluded to him being asian). So assassin's creed but with ninjas and in japan instead of the middle east.kieran88

you know 'asian' means more than 'ninjas and japan'

Yeah like samurai!! or sumo wrestlers!!

[QUOTE="kieran88"]

[QUOTE="Ket87"]More plot, it was so interesting but they barely developed it. As for the sequel I've heard other theories as to it being about the first piece of eden they found that destroyed the denver facility. As told from the perspective of subject 16's ancestor. Which was probably asian (forget exactly where its mentioned but its alluded to him being asian). So assassin's creed but with ninjas and in japan instead of the middle east.MuffinPunk

you know 'asian' means more than 'ninjas and japan'

Yeah like samurai!! or sumo wrestlers!!

touché

More plot, it was so interesting but they barely developed it. As for the sequel I've heard other theories as to it being about the first piece of eden they found that destroyed the denver facility. As told from the perspective of subject 16's ancestor. Which was probably asian (forget exactly where its mentioned but its alluded to him being asian). So assassin's creed but with ninjas and in japan instead of the middle east.Ket87

if you look at the floor at to the left of the animus it says "yona guni" on the floor... which probabaly is Yonaguni-an asian version of atlantis lol. thats probabaly where it will be in asia, i hope other places aswell.

+ can't forget the ability to swim ;)

i want to be able to swim...

thats it lol

ds360fn

same here

[QUOTE="Ket87"]More plot, it was so interesting but they barely developed it. As for the sequel I've heard other theories as to it being about the first piece of eden they found that destroyed the denver facility. As told from the perspective of subject 16's ancestor. Which was probably asian (forget exactly where its mentioned but its alluded to him being asian). So assassin's creed but with ninjas and in japan instead of the middle east.kieran88

you know 'asian' means more than 'ninjas and japan'

Yeah and what other asian class of warriors would be able to fit into the plotline of assassins then eh? For one I wasn't the one who made it up and I said that. And also theres a little logic in there too but reading between the lines must be passe' these days.

I THINK ASSASSINS CREED 2 SHOULD TAKE PLACE IN PRESANT TIME AND THE PLOT SHOULD BE: WHILE IN THE ANIMUS DESMEN GETS THIS HUGE HEAD ACHE AND THEN SUDDENLY THE PRESANT TIME GOES INTO THE MIDDLE AGES AND EVERY ONE IS PUT INTO THE MIDDLE AGES AND DEZMEN AND ALTIAR MEET UP AND THE EXPLORE THE "NEW WORLD"FOR THE MISSING PIECES OF EDEN! AND OF COURSE NEW WEPS AND MORE KNIVES

I THINK ASSASSINS CREED 2 SHOULD TAKE PLACE IN PRESANT TIME AND THE PLOT SHOULD BE: WHILE IN THE ANIMUS DESMEN GETS THIS HUGE HEAD ACHE AND THEN SUDDENLY THE PRESANT TIME GOES INTO THE MIDDLE AGES AND EVERY ONE IS PUT INTO THE MIDDLE AGES AND DEZMEN AND ALTIAR MEET UP AND THE EXPLORE THE "NEW WORLD"FOR THE MISSING PIECES OF EDEN! AND OF COURSE NEW WEPS AND MORE KNIVES

I THINK ASSASSINS CREED 2 SHOULD TAKE PLACE IN PRESANT TIME AND THE PLOT SHOULD BE: WHILE IN THE ANIMUS DESMEN GETS THIS HUGE HEAD ACHE AND THEN SUDDENLY THE PRESANT TIME GOES INTO THE MIDDLE AGES AND EVERY ONE IS PUT INTO THE MIDDLE AGES AND DEZMEN AND ALTIAR MEET UP AND THE EXPLORE THE "NEW WORLD"FOR THE MISSING PIECES OF EDEN! AND OF COURSE NEW WEPS AND MORE KNIVES

I THINK ASSASSINS CREED 2 SHOULD TAKE PLACE IN PRESANT TIME AND THE PLOT SHOULD BE: WHILE IN THE ANIMUS DESMEN GETS THIS HUGE HEAD ACHE AND THEN SUDDENLY THE PRESANT TIME GOES INTO THE MIDDLE AGES AND EVERY ONE IS PUT INTO THE MIDDLE AGES AND DEZMEN AND ALTIAR MEET UP AND THE EXPLORE THE "NEW WORLD"FOR THE MISSING PIECES OF EDEN! AND OF COURSE NEW WEPS AND MORE KNIVES

altiar025

:O Creative, but not gonna happen, as if the story were confusing enough

[QUOTE="kieran88"]

[QUOTE="Ket87"]More plot, it was so interesting but they barely developed it. As for the sequel I've heard other theories as to it being about the first piece of eden they found that destroyed the denver facility. As told from the perspective of subject 16's ancestor. Which was probably asian (forget exactly where its mentioned but its alluded to him being asian). So assassin's creed but with ninjas and in japan instead of the middle east.Ket87

you know 'asian' means more than 'ninjas and japan'

Yeah and what other asian class of warriors would be able to fit into the plotline of assassins then eh? For one I wasn't the one who made it up and I said that. And also theres a little logic in there too but reading between the lines must be passe' these days.

It was just a little... offensive/ stupid to presume asia was only the orient.

i want to be able to swim...

thats it lol

ds360fn

:lol:

How bout some flying?

Yeah well I studied Japan for four years and was pretty competent with the language and I've spent some time in Japan. Sorry I think of a culture I know the most when I hear Asia. Besides you still avoided the point of no other sect of people in Asia's history can perfectly mesh into the plotline of the Assassins. Plus to reiterate another point I didn't propose it, I just seen it on the AC forum. But I think its a good idea and it fits into details given in AC1.Ket87

I didn't reply to that point because that's not what I find offensive.

Hey.. Look what I found within the "Assassins Creed Ending Explained"

"Email: "Grail - We are removing the Grail from our list of objectives. There is insufficient evidence to confirm its existence. Current examination of Subject Seventeen indicates that aside from the Piece of Eden, all other artefacts related to Christ-figure are literary devices (or derived from Piece of Eden) and not actual objects. Even if the object is real, its use to us at this stage is negligible. Our resources are better used elsewhere."

Explanation: In what's likely to be Abstergo's biggest mistake they decide to stop searching for the Holy Grail. Why is this a mistake? It's likely that this artefact does exist, and that Desmond and the Assassins will track it down and use it against Abstergo in the future. It's possible that Subject Sixteen knew the location and provided clues for Desmond to follow - knowing that Abstergo wouldn't look for its locations while they were so focused on the Piece of Eden. If this is true then Abstergo have underestimated the Grail's significance - 16 obviously believed it was a key artefact in the battle against Abstergo."

Sorry buddy but you fail.

Why when someone says Asia and I think Japan because I'm very familiar with the culture is offensive?Ket87

Because you generalised so many races into 'ninjas' and 'samurais' if you studied asia so much, you'd also see how this is offensive.

Why when someone says Asia and I think Japan because I'm very familiar with the culture is offensive?Ket87

[QUOTE="Ket87"]Why when someone says Asia and I think Japan because I'm very familiar with the culture is offensive?kieran88

Because you generalised so many races into 'ninjas' and 'samurais' if you studied asia so much, you'd also see how this is offensive.

What part of I didn't come up with it did you not understand. I only said I supported it because it made sense to me. Besides from what I know of other asian cultures there really isn't another prominent assassin type warrior other than the ninja. I still don't see how anything I said is offensive because I said from the beginning it wasn't my theory and you seem to be missing that point somehow. Go the AC forum and find the guy who thought it up and call him offensive.

[QUOTE="Ket87"]Why when someone says Asia and I think Japan because I'm very familiar with the culture is offensive?kieran88

Those countries you named are part of asia minor bro, which is almost never lumped geographically with china, korea, japan, and the surrounding islands. And still you're missing a very big point. 1 it wasn't my idea I've made this very clear throughout multiple times yet you still attack me, 2 I support the idea because in any of the countries we collectively named other than the hassassins in the middle east there wasn't another pure assassin warrior class other than the ninjitsu in those areas.

yeah dude just search assassins creed 2 on google you find out so much info on what ac2 MIGHT be.

but diffidently heard that its set in asia sum where.

so yaaaaaay now we get to stab big sumos

[QUOTE="kieran88"][QUOTE="Ket87"]Why when someone says Asia and I think Japan because I'm very familiar with the culture is offensive?Ket87

Those countries you named are part of asia minor bro, which is almost never lumped geographically with china, korea, japan, and the surrounding islands. And still you're missing a very big point. 1 it wasn't my idea I've made this very clear throughout multiple times yet you still attack me, 2 I support the idea because in any of the countries we collectively named other than the hassassins in the middle east there wasn't another pure assassin warrior class other than the ninjitsu in those areas.

The fact is they are part of asia. Fact. Clearly you need a geography lesson.

Aren't maps fun, kids?

[QUOTE="kieran88"]

[QUOTE="Ket87"]Why when someone says Asia and I think Japan because I'm very familiar with the culture is offensive?Ket87

Because you generalised so many races into 'ninjas' and 'samurais' if you studied asia so much, you'd also see how this is offensive.

What part of I didn't come up with it did you not understand. I only said I supported it because it made sense to me. Besides from what I know of other asian cultures there really isn't another prominent assassin type warrior other than the ninja. I still don't see how anything I said is offensive because I said from the beginning it wasn't my theory and you seem to be missing that point somehow. Go the AC forum and find the guy who thought it up and call him offensive.

It's because you fail to see that it is offensive yourself. Yet you continue to argue the 'it wasn't me' point. And that you agree with it. If people agreed with Hitler are they not racist themselves?

Whatever, you still have yet to prove that I wasn't being racist or offensive by providing another warrior class from Asia that was only an assassin other than the ninja. Before you call fail you should discredit every point.Ket87

Okay, let me make this a little clearer. You generalised 60% of the worlds population into ninjas. You claim it wasn't your point but you agreed with it, so it is. You claim more than half of asias countries arent concidered asian, solely because of your wrong opinion.You assume Asia is made up of one country. You think minor asia is a real continent. You don't realise that you play as an asian in assassins creed and it is mentioned several times. You dont realise that the only group of assassins were the hashshashins. TheHashashins were, in fact, asian, why change it based on them saying 'asian' and you thinking of the orient.The name would make no sense if you were ninjas. If you don't see how thinking the only countries in asia are of the orient and that middle eastern asian countries 'aren't concidered' asian, which they are, is racist or down right stupid - I don't know how to help you with that if you can't see it yourself. Maybe you should stay in school, stop cutting geography and history lessons and try to see things from other points of views.

p.s. to clarify, your original point was not to provide another assassin class (which doesn't exist since they were a group of people). It was the fact that the second you heard asian you generalised 30% of the earths land mass into japan, throwing out all other asian races as a possability clearly forgetting that you do infact play as an asian in asian countries throughout the whole game (non-annimus levels not included in this point).

This is my last post on the issue. You generalised an off hand comment about AC2 being in Asia and the suggestion of the possiblility subject 16's ancestors were Ninjas into thinking I believe all of Asia are ninjas. Which I do not. I have been to Japan and China. As well as a few other non asian countries. I have traveled alot and I am knowledgeable in Japanese history and language. I also have a few friends from various asian cultures. The comment I made about Asia-Minor was misinterpreted by you apparantly. Asia-Minor is a part of asia but its never used in that context. Asia-Minor is almost in every geographical context referred to as the middle-east. Neither its people nor its geographical location are ever labeled Asian by society. They are almost always referred to as middle-east(ern). And to further add to this point people from the middle east are not Asian by label, believe it or not when a person from the middle east puts their ethnicity down on a census or other official document they are considered caucasian. I am still unsure how you misunderstood what I meant and how it turned into this. All I have done was try to explain to you I was not being offensive or racists yet you still persist. I am done with this either accept this or not. And would you please take me out of your signature. Not only is it rude but it shows a lack of character, even for a video-game message board slandering someone as racist in your signature is wrong.Ket87

Asia is more commonly used for indian countries in the uk.Automaticaly presuming that ment ninjas and then failing to see how that is racist was my point. Obviously it was far too difficult to follow for someone so well travelled. If you do not see how what you said was offensive there is something clearly wrong here. Your points of views are scewed by steriotype, and your lack of geography knowlege almost impresses me. Not seeing, and arguing, the point that assassins creed has no ties to ninjas or japan at all, and presuming that asia ment ninjas, even though you play as an asian was completely stupid. You fail to own up to this or to re-inforce any of your point with anything other than your opinions and your supposed un-backed knowlege. I wont take you out of my signature for several reasons. The main ones being; It was so stupid it ammused me, It was so narrow minded it was almost unbelievable, and the fact that you failed to see what was wrong with it and tried numerous times to pass off the blame to someone else or even avoid it completely is astonishing.

Maybe it's about time you actualy read up on these countries you visit. Take into concideration other races points of views. History. and other general facts about the world outside of japan.

I see trying to be civil and end this does not work. For one I did not know the UK refers to the middle east as Asia. Yes its part of Asia but in America its never used like that. Its strictly the middle east. I am a Social Studies major and I've even had a few college courses the dissemenate Asia and the Middle east as to separate entities and never have they been lumped together in any geography course I've ever take. Asia-Minor is a subcontintent divided from the rest of it's land mass by mountainous and desert topography and vastly different cultures. The middle east is very different from the rest of asia. And as for Japan, most of Japanese culture is borrowed from other cultures, in particular Chinese. Japanese Kanji one of the 3 variations of written language for Japan is borrowed from Chinese. While the characters are the same the prononciations are different. Japan was largely populated by migration from China several thousand years ago. While Northern Japan was inhabited by migration from what is now eastern Russia. Japanese customs and also food are heavily borrowed from Chinese tradition as well though encounters with western culture mainly portugal also heavily influenced there food the last few hundred years. So really Japan is not so different from their neighbor China whom they took and adapted much of their culture, language, and food. So in effect Japan is not so different from the culture that makes up the majority of asia's population. I say population because Russia makes up the majority of Asia's land mass. Yes I know Russia is part of Asia don't faint.

Yes agreeing with someone elses theory for AC2 is an opinion. And an opinion of what you hope a sequel to be about is just that an opinion, and it really doesn't need t be backed up its not my opinion on a review or pointing out flaws its just something someone hopes for. Theres a few references to asia in the game so someone extrapulated from that a theory as to what the second game could be. I thought it was cool and agreed. Then I shared his theory and my support here. Sorry you find it offense for someone to have imagination. I tried to find the exact thread for you but that was more than a week ago its buried in the Assassin's Creed forum and there is not a proper search tool on GameSpot for the messages. Because someone cooked up the idea of ninjas for assassin's creed 2, I thought it was cool, and in my mind could connect the dots to Assassin's Creed 1's few references to Asia I am apparantly racist. Because sure anyone could bridge that gap.

I try to be the better man, I try to rationalize myself and I get further attacked. Not only attacked but you resort to childish tactics. I am truely sorry if I somehow offended you. I could understand the problem if I had blatantly said the things you accused me off. Sure if I had said oh Asians you must mean Ninjas then of course thats offensive. But I didn't, sure I might have worded it funny but its a video game message board not english class. I shouldn't have to worry about how I phrase things or the way I convey myself. Its a venue for casual talk about video games, I shouldn't have to worry about the way I wrote a post about Assassin's Creed to offend the entire contintent of asia because I said "oh it should be about ninjas lol".

If you can't accept this then whatever. I have made my points and tried to be civil. If you wan't to continue to be childish then thats you go do your own thing. I apparantly wasn't offensive to anyone else but you because with all the people who frequent this site I am just about sure someone with asian heritage viewed my posts and noone but you attacked me for it. Even looking back at my original post sure it was a little rambling and rushed but it wasn't offensive. If I would have made the last sentence "So maybe it could be Assassin's Creed but with Ninjas and in Japan instead" then it would have been fine. Sorry poor wording caused all of this. And if you can't accept this you need to grow up because I have now fully explained myself on all points and you just seem to be attacking me for the sake of attacking me.

That was a bit of a rant, havent slept in almost 24 hours so it would actualy be easier if I cleard this up for you instead.

"You generalised an off hand comment about AC2 being in Asia and the suggestion of the possiblility subject 16's ancestors were Ninjas into thinking I believe all of Asia are ninjas."

1. All I stated was that not all asians are ninjas or samurai. A point I personaly felt needed pointing out since the game clearly already takes place in asia, not a ninja in site.

"I have been to Japan and China. As well as a few other non asian countries"

2. I have been to cyprus and china, both in asia, as well as a few other non-asian countries too. What's your point?

"I have traveled alot and I am knowledgeable in Japanese history and language."

3. Good for you, but I do not see what that has to do with assassins creed, or the fact that the game already takes place in asia.

"I also have a few friends from various asian cultures."

4. Me too. Want a cookie?

"The comment I made about Asia-Minor was misinterpreted by you apparantly. Asia-Minor is a part of asia but its never used in that context."

5. I am reminded here of how asia is mentioned several times in assassins creed in context to isreal and cyria. And also a direct quote from you:

"Those countries you named are part of asia minor bro, which is almost never lumped geographically with china, korea, japan, and the surrounding islands."

So at which part am I wrong in saying that assassins creed does not infact take place in asia and there are only one group of people called the hashashins?

"believe it or not when a person from the middle east puts their ethnicity down on a census or other official document they are considered caucasian."

6. As do I, but I am european. So why would I have the same if I am not asian, because there are lots of races in one continent. See where I'm going with that or should I type slower?

"I am still unsure how you misunderstood what I meant and how it turned into this."

7. I am reminded of a quote by someone geographicaly challenged here..... "reading between the lines must be passe' these days."

"All I have done was try to explain to you I was not being offensive or racists yet you still persist."

8. Because you have quite blatantly made some very stupid and offensive generalisations and assumptions of races. Steriotyping is wrong. Deal with it.

"I am done with this either accept this or not."

9. k thnks bye

"And would you please take me out of your signature. Not only is it rude but it shows a lack of character, even for a video-game message board slandering someone as racist in your signature is wrong. "

10. I'm not 'slandering' you as racist. I'm laughing at your narrow minded assumptions. And as for lack of character? Atleast I can read a map :)

p.s. Sorry you felt the need to get personal on your last post. I preffer using facts rather than opinion/ fiction in my arguments.

I see trying to be civil and end this does not work. For one I did not know the UK refers to the middle east as Asia. Yes its part of Asia but in America its never used like that. Its strictly the middle east. I am a Social Studies major and I've even had a few college courses the dissemenate Asia and the Middle east as to separate entities and never have they been lumped together in any geography course I've ever take. Asia-Minor is a subcontintent divided from the rest of it's land mass by mountainous and desert topography and vastly different cultures. The middle east is very different from the rest of asia. And as for Japan, most of Japanese culture is borrowed from other cultures, in particular Chinese. Japanese Kanji one of the 3 variations of written language for Japan is borrowed from Chinese. While the characters are the same the prononciations are different. Japan was largely populated by migration from China several thousand years ago. While Northern Japan was inhabited by migration from what is now eastern Russia. Japanese customs and also food are heavily borrowed from Chinese tradition as well though encounters with western culture mainly portugal also heavily influenced there food the last few hundred years. So really Japan is not so different from their neighbor China whom they took and adapted much of their culture, language, and food. So in effect Japan is not so different from the culture that makes up the majority of asia's population. I say population because Russia makes up the majority of Asia's land mass. Yes I know Russia is part of Asia don't faint.

Yes agreeing with someone elses theory for AC2 is an opinion. And an opinion of what you hope a sequel to be about is just that an opinion, and it really doesn't need t be backed up its not my opinion on a review or pointing out flaws its just something someone hopes for. Theres a few references to asia in the game so someone extrapulated from that a theory as to what the second game could be. I thought it was cool and agreed. Then I shared his theory and my support here. Sorry you find it offense for someone to have imagination. I tried to find the exact thread for you but that was more than a week ago its buried in the Assassin's Creed forum and there is not a proper search tool on GameSpot for the messages. Because someone cooked up the idea of ninjas for assassin's creed 2, I thought it was cool, and in my mind could connect the dots to Assassin's Creed 1's few references to Asia I am apparantly racist. Because sure anyone could bridge that gap.

I try to be the better man, I try to rationalize myself and I get further attacked. Not only attacked but you resort to childish tactics. I am truely sorry if I somehow offended you. I could understand the problem if I had blatantly said the things you accused me off. Sure if I had said oh Asians you must mean Ninjas then of course thats offensive. But I didn't, sure I might have worded it funny but its a video game message board not english class. I shouldn't have to worry about how I phrase things or the way I convey myself. Its a venue for casual talk about video games, I shouldn't have to worry about the way I wrote a post about Assassin's Creed to offend the entire contintent of asia because I said "oh it should be about ninjas lol".

If you can't accept this then whatever. I have made my points and tried to be civil. If you wan't to continue to be childish then thats you go do your own thing. I apparantly wasn't offensive to anyone else but you because with all the people who frequent this site I am just about sure someone with asian heritage viewed my posts and noone but you attacked me for it. Even looking back at my original post sure it was a little rambling and rushed but it wasn't offensive. If I would have made the last sentence "So maybe it could be Assassin's Creed but with Ninjas and in Japan instead" then it would have been fine. Sorry poor wording caused all of this. And if you can't accept this you need to grow up because I have now fully explained myself on all points and you just seem to be attacking me for the sake of attacking me.

Ket87

You made your points and tried to be civil? Mate you were the one who tried to get personal. The fact that you are so arrogant you cannot even begin to see how generalising so many races is wrong just throws anything you say out of the window. The only point I was trying to get across to you is that saying stuff like that can offend people, yet you continued to argue that it was not your point, passing the buck even though you clearly agree with it. I have clearly fully explained my points and never felt the need to get personal on any of my so called 'attacks'. You constantly say I resort to childish tacticts and that you are trying to be the bigger man, but the fact of the matter is, i've used nothing but facts in my points and you still fail to see how you were wrong to presume what you did. I wasn't outing you as a racist. I was simply trying to point out that saying stuff like that can offend people, of other races, so to some extent, yes. The hitler thing was a joke. If you couldn't see that then im sorry you got your panties in a twist.

and for the point of "oh it should be about ninjas lol". As far as your post detailed, that is basicaly the assumption it appeared you made.

Sorry for the tripple post. But I re-read to topic to make sure I'm not going insane. If you read the topic from the beginning: I clearly only point out that asia means more than just japan. Now to spell that out for you - Here I am stating that your theory is more than likely flawed since the game already takes place in asia.

You then go on to jump down my throat. Demanding I tell you what other type of 'warrior class' fits the assassins. And If you want the answer to that: None. Why? Because the assassins were a group of people not a warrior class. Then passing the buck as if it wasn't your expressed opinion and trying that little backhand comment trying to have some kind of superiority to your post.

I merely try to subtly remind you that peoplemight find this kind of assumption racist or offensive. And that it's silly to automaticaly presume asia means japan even though the game takes place in isreal and syria... Both asian countries btw.

You then roar on claiming you have all this knowlege about japan and the language, which by the way still has nothing to do with assassins creed, and that I still haven't provided another type of assassin. Because there isn't any. And thentrying to claim it wasn't your idea when you clearly posted it here agreeing with it as your opinion.

By about post 6 I don't need to remind you that my point had already put huge holes in your theory - but simply I was only pointing out that it can cause offense to jump to conclusions.

Then you try to pretend you cant see how this would offend anyone. Trying the "I don't know any better" even though later in the topic you've apparently majored geography (or something like that).

I try to explain why it is offensive only to have you immediately (12 hours later) jump down my throat about how; Iran, Iraq, Isreal, Syria, India, Cyprus, Turkey, Kazahkstan, Afganhistan are not 'concidered part of asia' which is clearly complete non-sense by anyones standards. So I get the map out, showing that they are infact in asia.

The hitler comment was obviously a joke but I was getting annoyed at the fact that you felt it was okay to express your steriotyping and then pass the buck.

"providing another warrior class from Asia that was only an assassin other than the ninja"

Again, this was never my point in the first place as assassins creed already takes place in asia. If you were so up on geography, you would have known this. After that, we both pull out the old wall of text and nobody realy cares anymore. I just don't see these 'childish tactics' you reffer to. I do however see a lot of avoiding the subject on your part.

Re-reading your post i need to point out this when i refer to martial arts and warriors in asia I always exclude the assassin's from the middle east. I figured this was understood. But obviously it wasn't and I just now caught this. I kept making that point and you kept accusing me of avoiding it. So excluding the assassin's in the middle east within the rest of asia there really isn't a collection of people whose art is professional assassination other then the ninja. Its just unfortunate that they are an overdone archetype of Japan for video games. Ket87

No you're completely missing my point there. The fact is. The game is called "ASSASSINS creed". The key, and longer, word there being assassins. Not "warrior type class". But the point wasn't clear from either side. And I wasn't looking for some sort of apology or race war on the forum. I was just annoyed how you re-acted to a simple comment pointing out that it already takes place in asia. And that the ninjas clearly never had conflict with the templars.

All I intended to say was that would be a cool plot for AC2. I never meant to generalise. If it came off that way I'm sorry. I made it personal because I didn't like the fact you made me seem racists about a culture I respect alot and I do know alot about, the comment in the signature still makes sense to me from what I've studied there wasn't really a collection of the martial arts dedicated to stealth and assassination besides ninjitsu and so a story about assassin's in that part of asia would likely be in Japan because it fits the most into the story arc. Plus putting me in your signature in that way personally offended me. When I get a little angry I ramble alot when I post. Its not going to make sense. And if I wasn't really paying attention to my wording like with the first post then someones not going to get what I mean. I even pointed out last post that a simple addage of 2 or 3 words changes the wholse sentence. As for the geography I do know alot its just from you to me our cultures UK and US treat that area of the world the middle east a little differently apparantly. Where as you seem to be taught the middle east and india as part of asia we are not. We are taught asia (china, japan, korea, phillipines, etc) and then we are taught about asia minor as the middle east (iran, iraq, kuwait, etc) as an entirely different topic. Our debate over geography was because we were educated differently about the region. I even distinctly remember my geography courses in school asia minor and asia being two totally different lessons that had nothing to do with each other than these places are close to each other. But thats America for you were arrogant and proud of it and no matter what you can't change it. I really hope you can accept this because I am trying to show to you that a simple misunderstanding caused this not some ignorant thoughts of asian culture.Ket87

Okay I agree about the signature. I'll remove it since you asked nicely. Fixed. More to the point, and again not trying to be personal, but why are you taught that said countried aren't part of asia in general. It seems bizar concidering they are part of the actual continent. But I suppose, different countries different teachings etc. All I was trying to get at originaly was that surely you must know how the conversation looked from my end.