Did they even beta test Halo: Reach?

Incredibly laggy in some situations in firefight and single player campaign. What a joke. I'm talking like 10-15 FPS sometimes. Unacceptable.

Match making system is the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

brb computer picks every map and game type
brb searching for more players after every round
brb failed to load
brb raging

Were the people at Bungie too stupid to know that the match making system used on the original Ghost Recon for Xbox was perfect?

The server creator had the ability to choose the maps, game type, kick players, arrange teams, pick options for the maps. And when others were looking for servers it would show 8 or so with information in boxes and you could pick which server you actually wanted to go into.

Also, where are all of the old school maps? Why the hell didn't they include that in the game? Another thing that annoyed me was in juggernaut mode, enabling the juggernaut to pick up weapons is glitched.

Bungie should've hired me, obviously I am a professional beta tester.

P.S. Playing this game with a controller is the absolute suck, so inferior to the keyboard and mouse. Too bad it costs like $100 to get the adapter for kb/m. This game would be a thousand times better on the PC. Hopefully they port it.

haha this made my day. i guy so pissed off he wants to piss off more people. thank you sir, i value your opinion, i just have a different one.

haha this made my day. i guy so pissed off he wants to piss off more people. thank you sir, i value your opinion, i just have a different one.

Mr-Gingersnaps

Please, humor me. Tell me what I said that was wrong?

I will wait patiently, because I have only stated the facts.

[QUOTE="Mr-Gingersnaps"]

haha this made my day. i guy so pissed off he wants to piss off more people. thank you sir, i value your opinion, i just have a different one.

Remmib

Please, humor me. Tell me what I said that was wrong?

I will wait patiently, because I have only stated the facts.

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="Mr-Gingersnaps"]

haha this made my day. i guy so pissed off he wants to piss off more people. thank you sir, i value your opinion, i just have a different one.

Mr-Gingersnaps

Please, humor me. Tell me what I said that was wrong?

I will wait patiently, because I have only stated the facts.

such an obvious troll, first saying a legitimate complaint and then goes off on a tangent and then slips in the ol Keyboard and Mouse>controller bit. AiurProtoss

Yeah, I'm trolling. :roll:....I'm completely serious.

I added that in there because it was just another observation I made whilst playing.

Incredibly laggy in some situations in firefight and single player campaign. What a joke. I'm talking like 10-15 FPS sometimes. Unacceptable.

Match making system is the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

brb computer picks every map and game type
brb searching for more players after every round
brb failed to load
brb raging

Were the people at Bungie too stupid to know that the match making system used on the original Ghost Recon for Xbox was perfect?

The server creator had the ability to choose the maps, game type, kick players, arrange teams, pick options for the maps. And when others were looking for servers it would show 8 or so with information in boxes and you could pick which server you actually wanted to go into.

Also, where are all of the old school maps? Why the hell didn't they include that in the game? Another thing that annoyed me was in juggernaut mode, enabling the juggernaut to pick up weapons is glitched.

Bungie should've hired me, obviously I am a professional beta tester.

P.S. Playing this game with a controller is the absolute suck, so inferior to the keyboard and mouse. Too bad it costs like $100 to get the adapter for kb/m. This game would be a thousand times better on the PC. Hopefully they port it.

Remmib

Asking if they beta tested is silly. I have never lagged in anything other than multiplayer team slayer and only because the game just chose a new host other than that the game runs smooth for me. The game has never failed to load for me never had to search for more players because i play with 8 people in my group most of the time. Why would we want to play the same old boring maps from previous halo games? Keep it new and fresh if i wanted to play the old maps i would pop the disc in... If you wanted to beta test all you had to do was sign up. The game will never be ported.

Asking if they beta tested is silly. I have never lagged in anything other than multiplayer team slayer and only because the game just chose a new host other than that the game runs smooth for me. The game has never failed to load for me never had to search for more players because i play with 8 people in my group most of the time. Why would we want to play the same old boring maps from previous halo games? Keep it new and fresh if i wanted to play the old maps i would pop the disc in... If you wanted to beta test all you had to do was sign up. The game will never be ported.

ZzZEVOLUTIONZzZ

Lol, are you joking? The game lags a lot in single player campaign. Maybe you are blind to lag?

It would've taken them almost no time to add in the old maps in addition to what they already have.

Never say never.

[QUOTE="ZzZEVOLUTIONZzZ"]

Asking if they beta tested is silly. I have never lagged in anything other than multiplayer team slayer and only because the game just chose a new host other than that the game runs smooth for me. The game has never failed to load for me never had to search for more players because i play with 8 people in my group most of the time. Why would we want to play the same old boring maps from previous halo games? Keep it new and fresh if i wanted to play the old maps i would pop the disc in... If you wanted to beta test all you had to do was sign up. The game will never be ported.

Remmib

Lol, are you joking? The game lags a lot in single player campaign. Maybe you are blind to lag?

It would've taken them almost no time to add in the old maps in addition to what they already have.

Never say never.

No i am not joking i have never had 1 issue with the game.

Old maps are just that OLD.

I got a few momentary frame rate drops on campaign, especially in Legendary or something where hoards of enemies are piling onto your screen. Nothing that actually effects gameplay though, unlike what you got in something like Skate 2.

I've never suffered lag in matchmaking, however I do agree that the voting system is flawed. I want to be able to play what I want when I want. If I want to play some slayer, I go into a rumble pit lobby and everyone votes for infection or safe havens. That can be really frustrating. Overall though, I'm quite satisfied with my Reach experience.

Incredibly laggy in some situations in firefight and single player campaign. What a joke. I'm talking like 10-15 FPS sometimes. Unacceptable.

Match making system is the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

brb computer picks every map and game type
brb searching for more players after every round
brb failed to load
brb raging

Were the people at Bungie too stupid to know that the match making system used on the original Ghost Recon for Xbox was perfect?

The server creator had the ability to choose the maps, game type, kick players, arrange teams, pick options for the maps. And when others were looking for servers it would show 8 or so with information in boxes and you could pick which server you actually wanted to go into.

Also, where are all of the old school maps? Why the hell didn't they include that in the game? Another thing that annoyed me was in juggernaut mode, enabling the juggernaut to pick up weapons is glitched.

Bungie should've hired me, obviously I am a professional beta tester.

P.S. Playing this game with a controller is the absolute suck, so inferior to the keyboard and mouse. Too bad it costs like $100 to get the adapter for kb/m. This game would be a thousand times better on the PC. Hopefully they port it.

Remmib

I have played through the campaign as well and I can honestly say that I have had very few (maybe 2 if that) moments in which even the slightest lag occured. Maybe your connection is poor??? Also on top of that, I can also state that they did an entire three weeks in which anyone who bought a copy of ODST did recieve Reac beta multiplayer. The only time I have ever experciened severe lag is in Firefight. I can also tell you that a patch, via Live, will be on the way shortly. I also respectfully disagree with your opinion on the quality of this game. However yours is simply that..an OPINION. And I'm glad for it.RiddlerFan_17

Yeah my connection to the internet obviously has something to do with the FPS of the SINGLE PLAYER campaign....jesus.

Yeah, multiplayer firefight gets incredibly laggy sometimes.

[QUOTE="ZzZEVOLUTIONZzZ"]

Asking if they beta tested is silly. I have never lagged in anything other than multiplayer team slayer and only because the game just chose a new host other than that the game runs smooth for me. The game has never failed to load for me never had to search for more players because i play with 8 people in my group most of the time. Why would we want to play the same old boring maps from previous halo games? Keep it new and fresh if i wanted to play the old maps i would pop the disc in... If you wanted to beta test all you had to do was sign up. The game will never be ported.

Remmib

Lol, are you joking? The game lags a lot in single player campaign. Maybe you are blind to lag?

It would've taken them almost no time to add in the old maps in addition to what they already have.

Never say never.

Incredibly laggy in some situations in firefight and single player campaign. What a joke. I'm talking like 10-15 FPS sometimes. Unacceptable.

Match making system is the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

brb computer picks every map and game type
brb searching for more players after every round
brb failed to load
brb raging

Were the people at Bungie too stupid to know that the match making system used on the original Ghost Recon for Xbox was perfect?

The server creator had the ability to choose the maps, game type, kick players, arrange teams, pick options for the maps. And when others were looking for servers it would show 8 or so with information in boxes and you could pick which server you actually wanted to go into.

Also, where are all of the old school maps? Why the hell didn't they include that in the game? Another thing that annoyed me was in juggernaut mode, enabling the juggernaut to pick up weapons is glitched.

Bungie should've hired me, obviously I am a professional beta tester.

P.S. Playing this game with a controller is the absolute suck, so inferior to the keyboard and mouse. Too bad it costs like $100 to get the adapter for kb/m. This game would be a thousand times better on the PC. Hopefully they port it.

Remmib

Here's your solution. Sell the game, get your money back.

1. None of these are facts

2. I dissagree entirely. Especially with the FPS comment. At no point during the game did my frames/s drop.

Never have I seen someone hate on a game so blindly. Go play your PC.

your last person i expected bashing halo reach

Look in my sig and take a gander at my avatar's sweatshirt. That has to answer something right?

Um, yeah they did...it was of the largest Beta's to date

i think trolling is the equation

Incredibly laggy in some situations in firefight and single player campaign. What a joke. I'm talking like 10-15 FPS sometimes. Unacceptable.

Match making system is the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

brb computer picks every map and game type
brb searching for more players after every round
brb failed to load
brb raging

Were the people at Bungie too stupid to know that the match making system used on the original Ghost Recon for Xbox was perfect?

The server creator had the ability to choose the maps, game type, kick players, arrange teams, pick options for the maps. And when others were looking for servers it would show 8 or so with information in boxes and you could pick which server you actually wanted to go into.

Also, where are all of the old school maps? Why the hell didn't they include that in the game? Another thing that annoyed me was in juggernaut mode, enabling the juggernaut to pick up weapons is glitched.

Bungie should've hired me, obviously I am a professional beta tester.

P.S. Playing this game with a controller is the absolute suck, so inferior to the keyboard and mouse. Too bad it costs like $100 to get the adapter for kb/m. This game would be a thousand times better on the PC. Hopefully they port it.

Remmib

1) I've encountered a few frame rate drops during large battles, but nothing major. Maybe if you installed the game it would work better?

2) That type of matchmaking system doesn't work with trueskill, or any ranking system for that matter. If a host has control of the rules, then they can easily manipulate things in their favor. They could pick their best map and play their best mode, and in the event they are losing, they can just boot whoever is doing better then them. By having a computer determine the mode, and a ranking system to make sure players are of similar skill level, you are much more likely to get into a balanced match. And I don't know what your talking about "brb failed to load". If thats happening to you there's probably something wrong with your disk or connection.

3) Yes they did beta test it. I'm surprised a "professional beta tester" never heard about the beta for one of the biggest Xbox 360 releases this year.

Maybe his connection sucks, maybe his console is dying. While it does sound like the TC is trolling, if these are legitimate issues you are having then you are part of the minority. I would suggest contacting Microsoft about this issue because as you can tell, not a lot of people are having these problems

Dude dont blame the game.Your internet connection is just f***** up.And its impossible for your internet to make the single player frms per sec drop.JordanizPro

Please learn to detect sarcasm.

Maybe his connection sucks, maybe his console is dying. While it does sound like the TC is trolling, if these are legitimate issues you are having then you are part of the minority. I would suggest contacting Microsoft about this issue because as you can tell, not a lot of people are having these problems

christ4ever9889

Tried on 2 different consoles. At some points there is quite a large amount of FPS drop during a local multiplayer session of firefight.

1) I've encountered a few frame rate drops during large battles, but nothing major. Maybe if you installed the game it would work better?

2) That type of matchmaking system doesn't work with trueskill, or any ranking system for that matter. If a host has control of the rules, then they can easily manipulate things in their favor. They could pick their best map and play their best mode, and in the event they are losing, they can just boot whoever is doing better then them. By having a computer determine the mode, and a ranking system to make sure players are of similar skill level, you are much more likely to get into a balanced match. And I don't know what your talking about "brb failed to load". If thats happening to you there's probably something wrong with your disk or connection.

3) Yes they did beta test it. I'm surprised a "professional beta tester" never heard about the beta for one of the biggest Xbox 360 releases this year.

chaosflare44

2nd point is flawed. If a host is acting like that people just leave, this was never a problem in the Ghost Recon example I mentioned. And yes, it can definitely work in a ranking system. When the player searches for a match it can list all of the servers that are close in rank. The failed to load thing happened on my friend's box, was just damn annoying.

I was joking about 'professional beta tester' but apparently I found quite a few things wrong with the game that no one else out of the thousands of people that did beta test found.

The campaign and fire fight experience use a different net code that is more dependent on all parties having a good connection. If you consistently experience lag in those game types odds are you have a bad connection. Personally, I rarely experience lag in any of Reach's modes, let alone Fire Fight/campaign. Reach includes more old school Halo remakes than any previous Halo game did at launch. Reach includes a remake of Ivory Tower, Blood Gulch, Sanctuary and Ascension. I laugh at the idea that you could actually contribute something at Bungie when they have hired professionals for this stuff. Show me a game you've developed and maybe I'll buy that idea. And the whole keyboard/mouse vs controller thing is pointless. This a game console, the games are going to be played primarily with controllers. This isn't something thats exclusive to Reach so it's kinda pointless to complain about it.vashkey

Connection has no bearing when you are playing on a single, local box in splitscreen firefight mode.

Lol at 'hired professionals'...almost every game has flaws that could be fixed.

The match making system that I have in mind is far superior to the crap that they came up with at Bungie.

I've only experienced lag in Multiplayer Firefight. But that is literally the only time that I've ever had any problems at all.

Personally, I don't know why you're disagreeing with EVERYTHING people are saying. People are just trying to share their opinions/experiences with you to compare to your own, but every two to three posts is just you complaining, disagreeing, or being plain rude to the people that posted before you. Just because you're having a bad experience doesn't mean that there are necessarily problems with the game, nor does it justify your piss poor attitude towards everyone else posting in here.

i'm not sure about the other stuff but

this game definitely has major slow downs in the campaign

i can feel the game going below 20 frames especially during huge battle scenes.

gametrailers made a note of this in their review

[QUOTE="JordanizPro"]

Please learn to detect sarcasm.

[QUOTE="christ4ever9889"]

Maybe his connection sucks, maybe his console is dying. While it does sound like the TC is trolling, if these are legitimate issues you are having then you are part of the minority. I would suggest contacting Microsoft about this issue because as you can tell, not a lot of people are having these problems

Remmib

Tried on 2 different consoles. At some points there is quite a large amount of FPS drop during a local multiplayer session of firefight.

1) I've encountered a few frame rate drops during large battles, but nothing major. Maybe if you installed the game it would work better?

2) That type of matchmaking system doesn't work with trueskill, or any ranking system for that matter. If a host has control of the rules, then they can easily manipulate things in their favor. They could pick their best map and play their best mode, and in the event they are losing, they can just boot whoever is doing better then them. By having a computer determine the mode, and a ranking system to make sure players are of similar skill level, you are much more likely to get into a balanced match. And I don't know what your talking about "brb failed to load". If thats happening to you there's probably something wrong with your disk or connection.

3) Yes they did beta test it. I'm surprised a "professional beta tester" never heard about the beta for one of the biggest Xbox 360 releases this year.

chaosflare44

2nd point is flawed. If a host is acting like that people just leave, this was never a problem in the Ghost Recon example I mentioned. And yes, it can definitely work in a ranking system. When the player searches for a match it can list all of the servers that are close in rank. The failed to load thing happened on my friend's box, was just damn annoying.

I was joking about 'professional beta tester' but apparently I found quite a few things wrong with the game that no one else out of the thousands of people that did beta test found.

I'm afraid your point is flawed too. The way a ranking system works is by testing everyone under similar conditions and comparing how they performed.

Let me ask you this. If one person were to take a college level test, and another a 1st grade test, and they both score a 90%, does that mean they are on the same level intellectually? No. Obviously in order for the college person to score a 90 they have to answer significantly harder questions then the 1st grader.

Likewise, if a host has control over the rules in a game, there is nothing stopping them from putting things in their favor. It doesn't even have to be drastic, it can be as small as picking a map and mode he/she is good at. That coupled with the power to boot players means they can easily knock out anyone who poses a threat. A host with that type of power is fully capable of boosting their rank to be considered equals with a player who is genuinely skilled despite having to bend the rules to get there. The worst part is, should they play a game together and the skilled player starts to dominate the host, all he has to do is boot him and move on. The host gets credit for winning a rigged match, and the guy who plays the game fair is stuck looking for another game.

By allowing anyone to determine the rules of a match, there are no standards for ranks to be based off of, and without a ranking system, the odds of you getting put into a stacked match are significantly higher.

I'm afraid your point is flawed too. The way a ranking system works is by testing everyone under similar conditions and comparing how they performed.

Let me ask you this. If one person were to take a college level test, and another a 1st grade test, and they both score a 90%, does that mean they are on the same level intellectually? No. Obviously in order for the college person to score a 90 they have to answer significantly harder questions then the 1st grader.

Likewise, if a host has control over the rules in a game, there is nothing stopping them from putting things in their favor. It doesn't even have to be drastic, it can be as small as picking a map and mode he/she is good at. That coupled with the power to boot players means they can easily knock out anyone who poses a threat. A host with that type of power is fully capable of boosting their rank to be considered equals with a player who is genuinely skilled despite having to bend the rules to get there. The worst part is, should they play a game together and the skilled player starts to dominate the host, all he has to do is boot him and move on. The host gets credit for winning a rigged match, and the guy who plays the game fair is stuck looking for another game.

By allowing anyone to determine the rules of a match, there are no standards for ranks to be based off of, and without a ranking system, the odds of you getting put into a stacked match are significantly higher.

chaosflare44

Honestly could care less about the stupid ranking system if it meant that we could get a far superior host server system. In all of my years playing the Ghost Recon series, I was rarely ever kicked for completely dominating everyone. It was only when the host got severely butthurt. Also, it's not like you're going to be playing the same friggin map (which the host is good at) over and over.

You act like the system I have in mind doesn't work. Just look at CoD4 or BF2 for the PC. Hosted servers with predetermined maps and rule sets and a ranking system. This system works perfectly and better than any other system available. Sure if you're a noob and join a hardcore server then you might get owned for a bit, but who cares? Sack up and get better.

You're not going to get any sympathy here man, everyone is a fanboy.

In normal matchmaking mode i don't have too much lag (to point where it would be anoying), but with firefight it's different story. every game is lag and drop framerate fest. The same thing happend with generator defence in beta.

In campain mode there are a lot of framerate drops but only where there are huge battles and a lot of things going on (usually when couple of drop ships comes). But it's not that anoying really.....not game breaker to me. I love this game and i love graphics so i don't mind some framedrops.

P.S: I did innstall game on HDD. A lot of people have low framerate, old or new 360 slims, so hardware is not issue here.

[QUOTE="ZzZEVOLUTIONZzZ"]

Asking if they beta tested is silly. I have never lagged in anything other than multiplayer team slayer and only because the game just chose a new host other than that the game runs smooth for me. The game has never failed to load for me never had to search for more players because i play with 8 people in my group most of the time. Why would we want to play the same old boring maps from previous halo games? Keep it new and fresh if i wanted to play the old maps i would pop the disc in... If you wanted to beta test all you had to do was sign up. The game will never be ported.

Remmib

Lol, are you joking? The game lags a lot in single player campaign. Maybe you are blind to lag?

It would've taken them almost no time to add in the old maps in addition to what they already have.

Never say never.

Just because it happens on YOUR copy of the game or YOUR Console does not mean it happens to all of us, your trying to state YOUR problem as a matter of fact for all users and thats simply not the case. I dont suffer with any sort or single player lag at all and the only lag I have had is in slayer when people quit. just like the other guy said.

Im not saying your not experiencing problems I am saying however I think your in the minority and a small one at that, mine works just fine.

I had frame rate drops in SP too, but nothing as serious as what your making it out to be

Everything else is just your opinion/bad connection.

You're not going to get any sympathy here man, everyone is a fanboy.

SilentSoprano

NO were not I personally enjoy playing good well madegames. Why do think just because I play Halo you think we are all fanboys???

If you dont like the game thats fine with me but dont tar me or for that matter alot of us on here as being fanboys. In fact the comment you made had nothing to do with the topic itself you sir are a TROLL

I actually agree. And those who say it does not happen are true fanboys, and we all know every fanboy is about as blind as a friggin bat, because they are so ignorant.

Firefight and Campaign do have lag. Campaign conection has not improved from Halo 3 at all. Firefight MM is just as laggy as campaign. What i find funny is that, most of the time it says you have a green bar, when you know that you're lagging. So not only do you get lag, their system lies to you, saying it's all fine. Not to mention in MM it host migrates atleast once every single game. Sometimes up to 5 times -_-

I questioned myself whether or not Bungie actually beta tested this game themselves.

For those who have not experienced these problems, remember not everyone has fast speed broadband like america. The UK's broadband is pretty crap. So before people say it's not a problem think of that you ignorant people.

(i'll probably get someone say "well i have low speed broadband and it's fine" Well all i can say is that you are an ignorant fanboy)

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="ZzZEVOLUTIONZzZ"]

Asking if they beta tested is silly. I have never lagged in anything other than multiplayer team slayer and only because the game just chose a new host other than that the game runs smooth for me. The game has never failed to load for me never had to search for more players because i play with 8 people in my group most of the time. Why would we want to play the same old boring maps from previous halo games? Keep it new and fresh if i wanted to play the old maps i would pop the disc in... If you wanted to beta test all you had to do was sign up. The game will never be ported.

Lol, are you joking? The game lags a lot in single player campaign. Maybe you are blind to lag?

It would've taken them almost no time to add in the old maps in addition to what they already have.

Never say never.

No i am not joking i have never had 1 issue with the game.

Old maps are just that OLD.

Incredibly laggy in some situations in firefight and single player campaign. What a joke. I'm talking like 10-15 FPS sometimes. Unacceptable.

Match making system is the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

brb computer picks every map and game type
brb searching for more players after every round
brb failed to load
brb raging

Were the people at Bungie too stupid to know that the match making system used on the original Ghost Recon for Xbox was perfect?

The server creator had the ability to choose the maps, game type, kick players, arrange teams, pick options for the maps. And when others were looking for servers it would show 8 or so with information in boxes and you could pick which server you actually wanted to go into.

Also, where are all of the old school maps? Why the hell didn't they include that in the game? Another thing that annoyed me was in juggernaut mode, enabling the juggernaut to pick up weapons is glitched.

Bungie should've hired me, obviously I am a professional beta tester.

P.S. Playing this game with a controller is the absolute suck, so inferior to the keyboard and mouse. Too bad it costs like $100 to get the adapter for kb/m. This game would be a thousand times better on the PC. Hopefully they port it.

Remmib

Oh youu. Always so silly :)

Seriously, you have lag in this game?

That sucks man :lol:

I honostly feel halo 3 and 2 were way more laggy then reach. There was way to many occastions of seeing somone just walking straight into the wall haha.

TC what are you trying to gather from your thread? there's going to be lag at some point in every game you play on LIVE. The Halo series have been geared towards a controller scheme since 2001...why complain about it now compared to keyboard scheme on a 360 forum? It doesn't sound like you like the game or even played it by reading your arguments.

TC what are you trying to gather from your thread? there's going to be lag at some point in every game you play on LIVE. The Halo series have been geared towards a controller scheme since 2001...why complain about it now compared to keyboard scheme on a 360 forum? It doesn't sound like you like the game or even played it by reading your arguments.

BLAS1AN

I have experienced no lag in live games...I'm talking about the god damn FPS lag in the single player campaign and split screen firefight modes.