Does excellent graphics equal an excellent game?

not at all

if anyone remeber when the 360 launched bungie released not only halo but azerik and azerik for its time was very pretty but god did that game suck

It never has guaranteed a game to be excellent, but now developers are not just using graphics to make the games look good but to create a vibe, or make them tell stories as in Portal, where the writing on the walls made you sence that it was more than just a simple test. Or Bioshock, the graphics with the help of the audio diaries help tell the fall of raptureBlitz1130

Well said. And that's what we gamers expect, excellent graphics with a great storyline and gameplay. And avoid technical issues at all cost! ^.^ basically we want the full package, the diamond in the rough. 'Nuff said.

Most of the best games have GREAT graphics

but not all games with GREAT graphics are the best.

No.Look at Counter-Strike,that game has horrendous graphics,yet it's one of the most popular multi-player games ever.AtomicBaconBits

Counter-Strike and Counter-Strike : Source had excellent graphics for their time. That should count for something.

not always, sometimes those excellent graphics make the game short and therefore not as complete as gamers would want them. elvisisgod

Or very repetitive, the case of Assassins Creed. However, i think this senario was to be expected: New Gen consoles were hyped and advertised as prossessing and graphical powerhouses, so i guess producers were expected to prove these claims. They did. Now that excellent visuals r to be expected, the consumers' interest is again substance. I think the future will bring us games that r visually excellent, plus have more substance

Most of the best games have GREAT graphics

but not all games with GREAT graphics are the best.

MikeJones133

In my opinion, just because a game has great graphics does not mean its a great game. Although for some reason most of the games I play with these great graphics also have all the other qualitys of a great game. For a game to be great, at least in my book, it must have much more then great graphics. Gameplay is the biggest factor to me when purchasing a game, if the game has great graphics but play like crap, is it a good game?

Excellent graphics does not necessarily equal excellent quality. However, excellent quality usually means excellent graphics. There have been a few games with graphics that I thought were top notch (MOH:Airborne comes to mind), but the game was terrible. On the other hand, there have been few games where I thought, "Man, this game is ugly but it sure is a great game."

I was looking at what are rated as the best games and 9 out of 10 times the game had almost revolutionary graphics. Bioshock,COD 4, Gears of war, G.R.A.W., G.R.A.W. 2. Now when I see videos of a game with excellent graphics I almost assume it is the next big thing.Bigfred19882000

I think it goes hand in hand. Good games usually don't have bad graphics because the overall production value allows for a good game plus a good visuals. THat's why I laugh when people throw the word AAA around so much on these forums. If you just look a game you can tell a lot has gone into the graphics or not and usually that means they've taken the time on all the other parts.

Great graphics does not a great game make, but great graphics can help make a great game even greater.

Wow, that was a tongue twister.

Lair.

28 posts, and nobody has mentioned this?

Eternal Sonata had Cel Graphics, and is arguably the best RPG game on the 360

Spiderman 3 had a beautiful city, but its gameplay is arguably crappy (arguably cause I didn't think it was *that* bad)

Puzzle quest has to have the worst graphics for a 360 game, yet it is another good RPG/Puzzle game

KoF:CoD had beautiful graphics, but that's it.

See, games with crappy graphics can be great games.

Eternal Sonata had Cel Graphics, and is arguably the best RPG game on the 360

Benjamin-T

If you are insinuating that Eternal Sonata has bad/sub-par graphics, you need to get your eyes checked.

I think your calculation is a little off, no excellend graphics does not = great game, but....

excellent graphics + good story + good game mechanics = excellent game

where as

excellent graphics + bad control scheme + lame game mechanics = bad game

So really it can go either way, but obviously excellent games to add value to a game.

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Eternal Sonata had Cel Graphics, and is arguably the best RPG game on the 360

Rockingtime75

If you are insinuating that Eternal Sonata has bad/sub-par graphics, you need to get your eyes checked.

Dude, Cel shaped graphics are not real graphics.

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Eternal Sonata had Cel Graphics, and is arguably the best RPG game on the 360

Benjamin-T

If you are insinuating that Eternal Sonata has bad/sub-par graphics, you need to get your eyes checked.

Dude, Cel shaped graphics are not real graphics.

So basically, Cel-shaded graphics take no talent to make, have no merit, and aren't "real"...

Yeah...

No.Look at Counter-Strike,that game has horrendous graphics,yet it's one of the most popularmulti-player games ever.AtomicBaconBits

Once source came out no one that could play source would want to go back to the old one. It's just to hard after the huge graphical changing and physics.

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Eternal Sonata had Cel Graphics, and is arguably the best RPG game on the 360

Rockingtime75

If you are insinuating that Eternal Sonata has bad/sub-par graphics, you need to get your eyes checked.

Dude, Cel shaped graphics are not real graphics.

So basically, Cel-shaded graphics take no talent to make, have no merit, and aren't "real"...

Yeah...

Not saying that, but the better the graphics, the more real it looks to the outer world, at least that's my opinion. Cel shapes are easier to make btw.

it is kind of like call of duty 4 nowdays. People are buying it for the graphics. Good graphic + bad gameplay = bad gameBansheezs

lol graphics and gameplay rock in that game IMO (+ many many others opinions) but i'm sure you know that, and are just trolling (or are a halo fanboy)

and actually, was playing with a friend, i don't understand how or why, but he thinks the graphics aren't too great in cod4 (loved the game though)

anyway, great graphics + great gameplay = great game. a game can't survive on graphics alone. if it sucks, you're not going to want to keep playing it. no matter how pretty it is.

Couldn't be more wrong,graphics are just one element of a game,there are so many other things a game needs to get right to become an excellent game.

No, but amazing visuals can certainly add a lot to a game. Look at BioShock. The graphics create an amazing atmosphere to play in, and really help immerse you in Rapture.

I'll also use Resident Evil 4 as an example. To me, RE4 was a decent game, gameplay wise, but the graphics created a stunning atmosphere that really immersed me in the world, bringing everything together to create a great game.

Of course those graphics don't mean jack if the game sucks, but combine great graphics that create a great atmosphere with a great story and gameplay, and any game is much better off.

Great graphics go hand in hand with a great game, as they are on of the main components a player (and reviewer) look at from the onset of a game, bad graphics can destroy a game more than anything else (on occasion even gameplay)

So for a game to be GREAT it needs great graphics, as it is fighting for the top spot of crucial game factors, however people tend to appriciate gameplay at the expense of graphics more than vice versa

My simple theory is this...

While NOT ALWAYS true, if someone puts the time in to make great visuals, a great set of gameplay will be involved and vice versa.

No real use responding to this message, but I will anyway. You should no for sure excellent graphics doesn't equal a great game, but poor graphicsis almost inexcusable with today's system and technology. JERKS!!!! they should only come out with quality Graphic games, especially for the price they sell them for.congrats

I mean " you should (know) no for sure (that) excellent graphics doesn't equal a great game, but poor graphicsis (is) almost inexcusable