Dragon Age: Origins...Awakening Expansion

Bioware announced yesterday a full retail expansion to Dragon Age and I haven't seen much talk about it on the forums. I was wondering if anyone else is excited as I am!?

I'm kinda skeptical...$40 for an expansion is a lot of money, it had better be huge.

I'm kinda skeptical...$40 for an expansion is a lot of money, it had better be huge.

bessy67

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I'm kinda skeptical...$40 for an expansion is a lot of money, it had better be huge.

orb_03_2006

I don't think you have anything to worry about. I'm almost positive Bioware will make it worth the 40 dollars.

They are probably one of my favorite studios.

Yeah. I'm a little worried about the $40 price tag. It better be good for me to throw out that much cash for it.

[QUOTE="orb_03_2006"][QUOTE="bessy67"]

I'm kinda skeptical...$40 for an expansion is a lot of money, it had better be huge.

teej521

I don't think you have anything to worry about. I'm almost positive Bioware will make it worth the 40 dollars.

They are probably one of my favorite studios.

I might get it just not right away I still have to finish the game as well. I wish Bioware wouldve showed this kind of support for Mass Effect

Yeah it will be worth the price tag, the fact that we are now able to go into a completley different land shows how much the game will be able to expand

For a $40 disc expansion I expect it will be HUGE! Trailer looked pretty awesome, Im definitely looking forward to this.

I can understand why people are concerned though:

Wardens Keep = 560 points / Stone Warrior = 1200 points

Thats the guts of $20 and from what Ive heard from friends they weren't the best value for money. Yet to play them myself though.

For a $40 disc expansion I expect it will be HUGE! Trailer looked pretty awesome, Im definitely looking forward to this.

I can understand why people are concerned though:

Wardens Keep = 560 points / Stone Warrior = 1200 points

Thats the guts of $20 and from what Ive heard from friends they weren't the best value for money. Yet to play them myself though.

Dave_442

i think your able to import your old character but he will be a different warden i dont know how the choises you made effect that as the trailer showsalistair in king armour which would be strange if you chose him to sacrifice himself

SPOILERS!

I finally beat the game today, this morning. I'm damn glad I didn't read this thread before now. :)

My only question is, what do you do if you made a certain choice by the end of the game??No_Love_00

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe they'll find some weird way of resurrecting either you or Alister to continue the adventure. Maybe that's what this whole expansion will be about. You get brought back to life through twisted magic, and you spend the rest of the game trying to get your soul back by chasing down Jon Irenicus.

SPOILERS!

I finally beat the game today, this morning. I'm damn glad I didn't read this thread before now. :)

My only question is, what do you do if you made a certain choice by the end of the game??No_Love_00

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe they'll find some weird way of resurrecting either you or Alister to continue the adventure. Maybe that's what this whole expansion will be about. You get brought back to life through twisted magic, and you spend the rest of the game trying to get your soul back by chasing down Jon Irenicus.

SPOILERSSSS!!!! In the main game (Not the expension) If Morrigan loves you, before the ending, you both make a kid, and that kid will absorb the Arch Demon so no one has to die. But Morrigan leaves and takes the kid with her to raise by herself.NintendoGamer3

I didn't go that route in the game, but this kid... He's conceived and born in like, one night? And if I were a character of a more evil persuasion, I think I'd just kill Morrigan, and raise the kid by myself.

[QUOTE="NintendoGamer3"]SPOILERSSSS!!!! In the main game (Not the expension) If Morrigan loves you, before the ending, you both make a kid, and that kid will absorb the Arch Demon so no one has to die. But Morrigan leaves and takes the kid with her to raise by herself.Palantas

I didn't go that route in the game, but this kid... He's conceived and born in like, one night? And if I were a character of a more evil persuasion, I think I'd just kill Morrigan, and raise the kid by myself.

SPOILERS

No, it's not born in one night. It absorbs the archdemon within the womb, and as a result it becomes similar to an untainted god of old. Morrigan leaves immediately after the final battle and has the child on her own. There are rumors of people seeing her and the child. We do not know what her plans are, nor does she divulge any information. This ending leaves the largest cliff hanger, and I'm very hopeful that the expansion will provide details as to what happens to your child and Morrigan.

To fully appreciate this ending, you need to take this route via an entire playthrough. There are multiple options by doing this which included (SPOILERS) having Alistair rule as king with Cailan's wife, and you as his right hand man, etc., etc.

FYI, even if Morrigan doesn't hate you, doesn't she make the offer of having a child with the "virgin" Alistair in order to preserve your lives. I'm pretty sure this option is presented as Morrigan's goal from the very beginning (her plot with Flemmeth) was to have this child absorb the archdemon!

And you can't choose to kill her and take the kid. I'm pretty sure it's all or nothing, or else she threatens to leave before the final battle takes place.

[QUOTE="NintendoGamer3"]SPOILERSSSS!!!! In the main game (Not the expension) If Morrigan loves you, before the ending, you both make a kid, and that kid will absorb the Arch Demon so no one has to die. But Morrigan leaves and takes the kid with her to raise by herself.Palantas

I didn't go that route in the game, but this kid... He's conceived and born in like, one night? And if I were a character of a more evil persuasion, I think I'd just kill Morrigan, and raise the kid by myself.

Maybe you meet Morrigan again, I thought in the trailer there was someone who looked a lot like her but probably not.

This expansion does look like it might not be good, so we defeat the Arch demon and the darkspawn was controlled by him, but no there is still darkspawn and a darkspawn who can talks? I'm finding that a little bit stupid. I guess, they thought they knew darkspawn but this expansion is contradicting that? It is sort of plot overlapping... I hope they add a multiplayer but they probably aren't...

FYI, even if Morrigan doesn't hate you, doesn't she make the offer of having a child with the "virgin" Alistair in order to preserve your lives. I'm pretty sure this option is presented as Morrigan's goal from the very beginning (her plot with Flemmeth) was to have this child absorb the archdemon!

joke_man

Yeah, she tried to get me to do that, but I would have none of it. I told her to **** off home. I'm a good guy! 8)

A dead good guy. :?

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I didn't go that route in the game, but this kid... He's conceived and born in like, one night? And if I were a character of a more evil persuasion, I think I'd just kill Morrigan, and raise the kid by myself.

orb_03_2006

8)

[QUOTE="joke_man"]

Yeah, she tried to get me to do that, but I would have none of it. I told her to **** off home. I'm a good guy! 8)

A dead good guy. :?

[QUOTE="orb_03_2006"][QUOTE="I"]

I didn't go that route in the game, but this kid... He's conceived and born in like, one night? And if I were a character of a more evil persuasion, I think I'd just kill Morrigan, and raise the kid by myself.

Palantas

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I'll have to humbly disagree with you on the "good guy", "bad guy" thing. I feel like Bioware did a great job of having most actions feel like morally gray areas. I don't necessarily feel like you were being good one way or the other via this decision. You were definitely altruistic by making the decision to accept your fate; however, the option to allow the child to absorb archdemon via the child isn't necessarily an altogetherevil choice. It is definitely a morally gray area. I didn't really feel that I had to be altogether evil or good during my playthrough. In the end, all of my tag-along buddies had over 3/4 of their love-hate bar in my favor.

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[QUOTE="joke_man"] That would have been AWESOME!!!joke_man

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I'll have to humbly disagree with you on the "good guy", "bad guy" thing. I feel like Bioware did a great job of having most actions feel like morally gray areas. I don't necessarily feel like you were being good one way or the other via this decision. You were definitely altruistic by making the decision to accept your fate; however, the option to allow the child to absorb archdemon via the child isn't necessarily an altogetherevil choice. It is definitely a morally gray area. I didn't really feel that I had to be altogether evil or good during my playthrough. In the end, all of my tag-along buddies had over 3/4 of their love-hate bar in my favor.

Your essentially preserving the soul of the archdemon (widely believed to be an intrinsically evil entity) allowing it to be absorbed into an innocent child to spare your own fate- I fail to see how thats a morally grey area in all honesty

I'll have to humbly disagree with you on the "good guy", "bad guy" thing. I feel like Bioware did a great job of having most actions feel like morally gray areas. I don't necessarily feel like you were being good one way or the other via this decision. You were definitely altruistic by making the decision to accept your fate; however, the option to allow the child to absorb archdemon via the child isn't necessarily an altogetherevil choice. It is definitely a morally gray area. I didn't really feel that I had to be altogether evil or good during my playthrough. In the end, all of my tag-along buddies had over 3/4 of their love-hate bar in my favor.

joke_man

Well tough; I think I'm a good guy. I gave my life to protect the realm, and got a fancy tomb built for me. I'ma good guy.

[QUOTE="joke_man"]

I'll have to humbly disagree with you on the "good guy", "bad guy" thing. I feel like Bioware did a great job of having most actions feel like morally gray areas. I don't necessarily feel like you were being good one way or the other via this decision. You were definitely altruistic by making the decision to accept your fate; however, the option to allow the child to absorb archdemon via the child isn't necessarily an altogetherevil choice. It is definitely a morally gray area. I didn't really feel that I had to be altogether evil or good during my playthrough. In the end, all of my tag-along buddies had over 3/4 of their love-hate bar in my favor.

Palantas

Well tough; I think I'm a good guy. I gave my life to protect the realm, and got a fancy tomb built for me. I'ma good guy.

HAHAHA

I am very excited. Dragon Age was the best game of 09 by a long shot imo.

A full expansion for this wonderful game is a great idea. Hope its as good as the Neverwinter Night 1/2's expansion packs.

[QUOTE="joke_man"]

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

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Subject18

I'll have to humbly disagree with you on the "good guy", "bad guy" thing. I feel like Bioware did a great job of having most actions feel like morally gray areas. I don't necessarily feel like you were being good one way or the other via this decision. You were definitely altruistic by making the decision to accept your fate; however, the option to allow the child to absorb archdemon via the child isn't necessarily an altogetherevil choice. It is definitely a morally gray area. I didn't really feel that I had to be altogether evil or good during my playthrough. In the end, all of my tag-along buddies had over 3/4 of their love-hate bar in my favor.

Your essentially preserving the soul of the archdemon (widely believed to be an intrinsically evil entity) allowing it to be absorbed into an innocent child to spare your own fate- I fail to see how thats a morally grey area in all honesty

(SPOILERS)

Wrong. It had nothing to do with "preserving the soul of the archdemon", necessarily. The transformation process results in thechild (of which is pure by nature) possessing the soul of an untainted "old god". No where is it stated that this process is creating a tainted old god; quite the contrary in that the child will simply hold the soul of an old god--untainted. An Old God on its own is untainted until the darkspawn have found it and corrupted it. As is, everything,explained via codex entries and through conversation with Morrigan.

It's very possible that Flemmeth had very evil intentions for the old god/child that Morrigan would bore from this act; however, with Flemmeth gone (if you chose to kill her during the appropriate quest) I find it hard to believe that Morrigan would act out her mother's plans..... During the epilogue (if you chose the route of her having the child) a portions states the following regarding Morrigan: "there came a night when he was sure that she was thinking of him... somewhere. She felt regret, and sorrow. But the ring told no more." This is regarding a ring she gives you if your relationship with your is in good shape, fyi.

Lastly, under your logic, one could consider the Grey Wardens evil, as they too are actually "darkspawn" having gone through aritual process of their own.

I fail to see howmotives should be the deciding factor inwhether or notsomething you are doing if "good" or "bad". Yes you are creating something that can be used for evil intentions, such as tainting the child with darkspawn blood, etc., but this isnt' necessarily what Morrigan is going to do, now that Flemmeth is gone (again, if this is what you chose to do). I fail to see how going any further will accomplish anything other then dabling in hyperbole, so I digress beyond all said points.

Wrong. It had nothing to do with "preserving the soul of the archdemon", necessarily. The transformation process results in thechild (of which is pure by nature) possessing the soul of an untainted "old god". No where is it stated that this process is creating a tainted old god; quite the contrary in that the child will simply hold the soul of an old god--untainted. An Old God on its own is untainted until the darkspawn have found it and corrupted it. As is, everything,explained via codex entries and through conversation with Morrigan.

joke_man

Morrigan never told me any of that. Does she give you more details if you actually do it?

Lastly, under your logic, one could consider the Grey Wardens evil, as they too are actually "darkspawn" having gone through aritual process of their own.

joke_man

The problems with this statement are so obvious that I can't help but think you're just trying to be argumentative. In the absence of the information in your first paragraph, it seems that Morrigan was attempting to preserve an evil entity. That's what made the act evil, not the simple fact that it is a ritual. This is like if we're talking about Nazi medical experiments, and someone says, "Under your logic, you must think lasik surgery is evil, because it's also a medical procedure." No, that misses the point entirely.

And what's that about Grey Wardens being darkspawn? This isn't true in any technical sense. It's not true in any practical sense, either.

I fail to see how going any further will accomplish anything other then dabling in hyperbole, so I digress beyond all said points.

joke_man

Huh?

[QUOTE="Subject18"]

[QUOTE="joke_man"]

I'll have to humbly disagree with you on the "good guy", "bad guy" thing. I feel like Bioware did a great job of having most actions feel like morally gray areas. I don't necessarily feel like you were being good one way or the other via this decision. You were definitely altruistic by making the decision to accept your fate; however, the option to allow the child to absorb archdemon via the child isn't necessarily an altogetherevil choice. It is definitely a morally gray area. I didn't really feel that I had to be altogether evil or good during my playthrough. In the end, all of my tag-along buddies had over 3/4 of their love-hate bar in my favor.

joke_man

Your essentially preserving the soul of the archdemon (widely believed to be an intrinsically evil entity) allowing it to be absorbed into an innocent child to spare your own fate- I fail to see how thats a morally grey area in all honesty

(SPOILERS)

Wrong. It had nothing to do with "preserving the soul of the archdemon", necessarily. The transformation process results in thechild (of which is pure by nature) possessing the soul of an untainted "old god". No where is it stated that this process is creating a tainted old god; quite the contrary in that the child will simply hold the soul of an old god--untainted. An Old God on its own is untainted until the darkspawn have found it and corrupted it. As is, everything,explained via codex entries and through conversation with Morrigan.

It's very possible that Flemmeth had very evil intentions for the old god/child that Morrigan would bore from this act; however, with Flemmeth gone (if you chose to kill her during the appropriate quest) I find it hard to believe that Morrigan would act out her mother's plans..... During the epilogue (if you chose the route of her having the child) a portions states the following regarding Morrigan: "there came a night when he was sure that she was thinking of him... somewhere. She felt regret, and sorrow. But the ring told no more." This is regarding a ring she gives you if your relationship with your is in good shape, fyi.

Lastly, under your logic, one could consider the Grey Wardens evil, as they too are actually "darkspawn" having gone through aritual process of their own.

I fail to see howmotives should be the deciding factor inwhether or notsomething you are doing if "good" or "bad". Yes you are creating something that can be used for evil intentions, such as tainting the child with darkspawn blood, etc., but this isnt' necessarily what Morrigan is going to do, now that Flemmeth is gone (again, if this is what you chose to do). I fail to see how going any further will accomplish anything other then dabling in hyperbole, so I digress beyond all said points.

You raise a good point, however from what i've read it is only scepticism that the archdemons are corrupted souls of the old gods, Morrigan isn't necessarily correct in her assertion to the character and regardless the chantry teaches that the old gods were evil prior to becoming tainted and turned men away from the true path of the maker (whether or noit this is true however is debatable but the evidence of what they did seems to strongly suggest they are) if it is that palantas was aiming for the good guy angle though (which I believe is what we're discussing) then surely he made the right decision in not preserving the soul of one of the old gods who was potentially an evil entity and caused the first blight by giving man the potential through magic; and condoning mans assault on the throne of the maker. Even risking putting this into an unborn child shows an incredible reckless lust for power and knowledge or just plain evil. I could not see anyone doing this and remaining of a clear conscience, absurd though the situation may be haha.