Thats what horde/beast/4coop campaign is for, to get more people playing. They really should have made that gun a pick up at the very least. It is so annoying running into guys who do nothing but camp behind walls, wait for you to walk by, then kill you without having to aim.
I like how it's more accessible for people in that sense. Nobody feels as though they are doing poorly in a match (much), and it makes it fun and hectic. I LOVE the sawed-off shotgun, it is so much fun to use :). But if you don't want to use that, you can also use the Lancer, as it can actually get the job done online these days besides chainsawing :). This is a great game, so far it is my favourite Gears yet :D.
It's not that bad, just stay away from people who you know are using it, I use the Gnasher as my shotgun, but my primary weapon is the Lancer, it's just a great gun at pretty much any range.
People will never be happy and will always find something to complain about.
The sawed-off is not a problem. Its range is terrible and the reload is even worse.
I'm not a sawed-off user. It does not fit my style of gameplay (I use Lancer & Gnasher) so I choose to avoid it. When I get killed by it I don't get angry or complain that it's too overpowered or say it's for noobs. Its my fault for getting within the enemies range or for not taking corners more widely to avoid the shot. If its in-game and someone else wants to use a gun I don't like to use then they are free to do so.
People that complain should just adjust their style of gameplay when there are Sawed-Off users on the other team. If you know (sawed-off users are really easy to spot for me at least) that the guy behind cover is waiting with a sawed-off and you STILL rush him head first, then you only have yourself to blame if you die.
True dat. But the trick is to pull your AR out before facing them, don't try to gnasher, you will lose since the S/O has more range. The only way to beat it is to see when someone is using it, and back up
You just have to be careful and not run around any corners blind...because the sawed off noobs will be waiting in the dark for an easy kill.
On a side note, I had some fool rush me in the open with one and I worked him real quick with the Retro Lancer. I have worked through all the AR's and I think they are overpowered when you have an active. You can almost insta down someone with the RL at medium range with an active.
Yes it can be avoided, but it is how it encourages people to play that is annoying. To get a kill with it, you have to be up close. So in order to get in close you have to make sure your opponent doesn't see you till you are up in his grill. This is accomplished by hiding in a corner, or waiting for him to be engaged in a firefight. This gun may have been implemented to give those who cannot aim with the gnasher a chance to get a kill, but the problem is that skilled as well as unskilled players are going to use this because some people just like to get cheap kills. Since no aiming is required with this gun, it should at least be a pick up weapon, not a starting weapon. Maybe give it a pistol spawn, but equip as a shotgun slot
Everyone complained out about the Sawed Off during the beta saying it was to over powered and that it made the Gnasher absolete. Then Epic comes out with the stats from the beta and says that the Gnasher is still the number one weapons in terms of kills, far and above the Sawed Off.
Everyone complained out about the Sawed Off during the beta saying it was to over powered and that it made the Gnasher absolete. Then Epic comes out with the stats from the beta and says that the Gnasher is still the number one weapons in terms of kills, far and above the Sawed Off.
AcidSoldner
I'm not saying that the sawed off is better than the gnasher. What I am saying is that because of the way the sawed off is designed, it ENCOURAGES people to hide in corners in order to get close enough to get a kill without aiming. Do you understand? Or is that too hard of a concept to understand?
Everyone complained out about the Sawed Off during the beta saying it was to over powered and that it made the Gnasher absolete. Then Epic comes out with the stats from the beta and says that the Gnasher is still the number one weapons in terms of kills, far and above the Sawed Off.
TheNyanClan
I'm not saying that the sawed off is better than the gnasher. What I am saying is that because of the way the sawed off is designed, it ENCOURAGES people to hide in corners in order to get close enough to get a kill without aiming. Do you understand? Or is that too hard of a concept to understand? People have been doing the same **** with the Gnasher since Gears 1 so I honestly don't see what the problem is. Just check your corners instead of blindly rushing into them...
Everyone complained out about the Sawed Off during the beta saying it was to over powered and that it made the Gnasher absolete. Then Epic comes out with the stats from the beta and says that the Gnasher is still the number one weapons in terms of kills, far and above the Sawed Off.
AcidSoldner
I honestly don't see what the problem is. Just check your corners instead of blindly rushing into them...My thoughts exactly.
They may have been doing the same thing, but the weapon in and of itself did not encourage it. In order to get a kill with the sawed off, you pretty much have to do that (Unless you take cover face on and wait for the enemy to charge). Now, is this still too hard for your tiny brain to comprehend?
Shotguns have ALWAYS been inconsistent in this game. This is the reason why I hate gears. I love it so much, but hate it at the same time because my active reloaded shotgun doesnt down someone in 3 shots 10 ft away when i get one shot killed....
Hate people like that "garbage kids can get a kill". Pipe down and enjoy the game.
It can be frustrating when you hit a guy three times with a shotgun though and he somehow sponges them and hits you with a sawn off and its a one hit death. Very strange.
stop complaining and get better at the game. if your complaining about it, your clearly not good enough to find a way to adapt to game changes and get kills. The sawed off is good against really close 1v1 encounters. It changes the way gears is played which is a GREAT thing.
yeah the sawed off is not broken but people will be moaning over it for years to come. It has horrendous range and when you do miss extremely large reload time which means you basically forfeit your life unless the other player is really bad.
If your are having probs with the sawed off you need to improve your situational awareness especially when in close quarters areas because if they get close enough to get you there was some error on your part and of course have a gameplan before blindly going around corners. Theres is the occasional moment where you cant really help but be killed by it but by no means is the sawed off cheap. If anything its takes a great deal of skill to use as its a high risk / reward weapon.
I'm just like chilling behind cover minding my own buisness and this 12 year old manlet comes out of nowhere and I'm like thinking "man time to pull out my retro lancer I guess" so I start firing at this little sh*t and he's almost down, I can practically already hear his morbid girly screams on the mic when this 10 year old comes up behind me firing his ****ty pistol, so I jump out of cover and I'm like "dude seriously?" but it's to late because the punk ass 12 year old is two inches away from my face with his sawed off and pops me into a million pieces.
I respawn, not really upset about it because it was my mistake for leaving cover but the entire ****ing match this kid is hiding in a corner and only charging in when his friends are with him to ensure a successful one shot kill, or sitting in his little corner the entire match and getting a one shot kill. After two matches pass I'm like "man good game" after going positive and seeing him go negative just to be a good sport when I hear the girliest crackliest most retarded voice I've ever heard yelling "Yeah u liek my ballz u lil *instert homosexual comment*" I hear his mom in the background "Alex don't be swearing" and a "**** you mom I'll swear when I want you b*itch"
I don't even know the moral of this story but everytime I see somebody with a sawed off shotgun it reminds me of this little kid. I use this as inspiration everytime I see somebody with a sawed off, it gives me motivation to kill them.
XileLord
This would have made a much more appropriate blog post. IMO
it is extremely cheap and what at least 50% of people use online, i can almost guarantee it will be tweaked in a couple weeks, Epic ALWAYS ends up tweaking weapons and the sawed off should do what the description says, ZERO effectivness outside of melee range, as of right now, it will still down you within 10-12 feet.
What part of "because of the way it encourages people to play" is so hard to understand? I have no problem killing sawed off kids in a straight up fight, but it is because of how they play with a sawed off is what is annoying. He or she sits back and waits for his or her buddies to engage in a fight, then rushes in and gets an easy kill (or 2) point blank. They sit in corners and wait for you to walk by. They hide and wait for your back to be turned, or for you to shoot at somebody, or trying to kill a downed enemy, thats when they rush in and kill you from behind. Once again people, my problem is because how it ENCOURAGES people to play. I have absolutely no problem with the gnasher (its not like I hate all shotguns, I just hate any gun in particular that doesn't take any skill to use).
What part of "because of the way it encourages people to play" is so hard to understand? I have no problem killing sawed off kids in a straight up fight, but it is because of how they play with a sawed off is what is annoying. He or she sits back and waits for his or her buddies to engage in a fight, then rushes in and gets an easy kill (or 2) point blank. They sit in corners and wait for you to walk by. They hide and wait for your back to be turned, or for you to shoot at somebody, or trying to kill a downed enemy, thats when they rush in and kill you from behind. Once again people, my problem is because how it ENCOURAGES people to play. I have absolutely no problem with the gnasher (its not like I hate all shotguns, I just hate any gun in particular that doesn't take any skill to use).TheNyanClan
ok dude if you played gears 1,2 its been the same problem if you get close enough for the sawed off to kill you you are MORE than close enough to get killed by the other SG in one hit if not downed, just take the advice from the other people here and check your corners and dont rush into the fray and chances are you will be fine just stop complaining and enjoy the game
The sawed off is fine like everyone else said, don't be an idiot and rush into a fight when you know the other team is using the sawed off.
feararagon
here is the problem: When you are trying to wipe out foes with ANY other weapon than a shotgun, good ****ing luck. The stupidly overpowered dodgeroll ensures that you are either going to be a close range fighter or you are going to die a lot more than get kills. Enemies can easily dodgeroll out of your fire and charge in, and since they only need to hit you once against you needing to hit them 1021021929192 times, guess who is gonna win?
People will never be happy and will always find something to complain about.
The sawed-off is not a problem. Its range is terrible and the reload is even worse.
I'm not a sawed-off user. It does not fit my style of gameplay (I use Lancer & Gnasher) so I choose to avoid it. When I get killed by it I don't get angry or complain that it's too overpowered or say it's for noobs. Its my fault for getting within the enemies range or for not taking corners more widely to avoid the shot. If its in-game and someone else wants to use a gun I don't like to use then they are free to do so.
People that complain should just adjust their style of gameplay when there are Sawed-Off users on the other team. If you know (sawed-off users are really easy to spot for me at least) that the guy behind cover is waiting with a sawed-off and you STILL rush him head first, then you only have yourself to blame if you die.
Just my 2 cents. :)
DJSAV_101
Well said my man. I felt that the Sawed-Off makes multi more intense, in a sense that if you're not careful, not taking notice of the playing field and where other players are, you're gonna get wasted in a hurry. Also makes for an easy kill once somebody misses, (which happens quite often as I'm quite squirrely :P). I feel it doesn't detract from the multi at all, IMO this version of Gears is the best yet. No more rolling around like idiots hip-firing shottys like the previous two, the Lancer and Hammerburst are actually worth a damn and now my primary in VS. No complaints here yet.
People will never be happy and will always find something to complain about.
The sawed-off is not a problem. Its range is terrible and the reload is even worse.
I'm not a sawed-off user. It does not fit my style of gameplay (I use Lancer & Gnasher) so I choose to avoid it. When I get killed by it I don't get angry or complain that it's too overpowered or say it's for noobs. Its my fault for getting within the enemies range or for not taking corners more widely to avoid the shot. If its in-game and someone else wants to use a gun I don't like to use then they are free to do so.
People that complain should just adjust their style of gameplay when there are Sawed-Off users on the other team. If you know (sawed-off users are really easy to spot for me at least) that the guy behind cover is waiting with a sawed-off and you STILL rush him head first, then you only have yourself to blame if you die.
peronally, i think the sawed off shotgun is a major issue...yes. but i think the even bigger issue is the fact that the rifles in the game are borderline worthless. YES, in very specific situations, you can get kills with them.... like when the person stands completely still and lets you unload an entire clip into them, or when you get an active reload on the retro lancer and the person just isnt paying attention. HOWEVER, it is far.... FAR easier to just pull out one of the two shotguns, and run right up to your opponent and blow them up. the mobility in this game is nice, but it makes non-instant kill weapons far less efficient and useful than they should be. honestly there should be a greater slowing effect when taking lancer or retro fire than there is. i have had multiple times where i have been unloading on someone running straight at me and they STILL manage to make it to me and blow me up before i down them with the lancer i have also suffered from, and witnessed the absurd range of the gnasher shotgun. it is practically MORE effective at range than either of the rifles. you can down an oppenent from 20+ft away with the gnasher in 3 shots.... that is less time than it takes to down someone with the lancer at the same range. i have seen it happen countless times now. MAJOR ISSUE.
peronally, i think the sawed off shotgun is a major issue...yes. but i think the even bigger issue is the fact that the rifles in the game are borderline worthless. YES, in very specific situations, you can get kills with them.... like when the person stands completely still and lets you unload an entire clip into them, or when you get an active reload on the retro lancer and the person just isnt paying attention. HOWEVER, it is far.... FAR easier to just pull out one of the two shotguns, and run right up to your opponent and blow them up. the mobility in this game is nice, but it makes non-instant kill weapons far less efficient and useful than they should be. honestly there should be a greater slowing effect when taking lancer or retro fire than there is. i have had multiple times where i have been unloading on someone running straight at me and they STILL manage to make it to me and blow me up before i down them with the lancer i have also suffered from, and witnessed the absurd range of the gnasher shotgun. it is practically MORE effective at range than either of the rifles. you can down an oppenent from 20+ft away with the gnasher in 3 shots.... that is less time than it takes to down someone with the lancer at the same range. i have seen it happen countless times now. MAJOR ISSUE.AWolfoftheCalla
we must not be playing the same game as rifles have actually received a major buff in gears 3. The normal lancer does absurd amounts of damage now and can bring somebody down with like 1/4 of a clip if you have active. Same with the retro although they added way more recoil to it than there was in the beta. The slowing effect is plenty as well. If someone straight charges at you and you start nailing them with a lancer they will be dead in the water. Gnasher while a strong will almost always lose to a lancer in mid to long range combat (hint) They are great for shutting down sawed offs. The mistake i see so many making is that they pull out their shotgun to go do battle with a sawed off which is not a good move unless your forced into that situation .So no rifles aernt useless and ignoring them is only gonna make your life hearder..
Of course all of this depends on your ability to aim. I see many people dissing lancers because the cant hit things with them.
[QUOTE="AWolfoftheCalla"]peronally, i think the sawed off shotgun is a major issue...yes. but i think the even bigger issue is the fact that the rifles in the game are borderline worthless. YES, in very specific situations, you can get kills with them.... like when the person stands completely still and lets you unload an entire clip into them, or when you get an active reload on the retro lancer and the person just isnt paying attention. HOWEVER, it is far.... FAR easier to just pull out one of the two shotguns, and run right up to your opponent and blow them up. the mobility in this game is nice, but it makes non-instant kill weapons far less efficient and useful than they should be. honestly there should be a greater slowing effect when taking lancer or retro fire than there is. i have had multiple times where i have been unloading on someone running straight at me and they STILL manage to make it to me and blow me up before i down them with the lancer i have also suffered from, and witnessed the absurd range of the gnasher shotgun. it is practically MORE effective at range than either of the rifles. you can down an oppenent from 20+ft away with the gnasher in 3 shots.... that is less time than it takes to down someone with the lancer at the same range. i have seen it happen countless times now. MAJOR ISSUE.Gen007
we must not be playing the same game as rifles have actually received a major buff in gears 3. The normal lancer does absurd amounts of damage now and can bring somebody down with like 1/4 of a clip if you have active. Same with the retro although they added way more recoil to it than there was in the beta. The slowing effect is plenty as well. If someone straight charges at you and you start nailing them with a lancer they will be dead in the water. Gnasher while a strong will almost always lose to a lancer in mid to long range combat (hint) They are great for shutting down sawed offs. The mistake i see so many making is that they pull out their shotgun to go do battle with a sawed off which is not a good move unless your forced into that situation .So no rifles aernt useless and ignoring them is only gonna make your life hearder..
Of course all of this depends on your ability to aim. I see many people dissing lancers because the cant hit things with them.
we must not be then, because i have played over 100 games now and i have seen dozens of examples of people going 1v1 lancer v gnasher at range (20+ft) and the gnasher wins probably 80%. i have experienced it myself atleast a dozen times. i have also experienced the sawed off gibbing people from 10ft away which is NOT how it was designed. i have personally, many times, been firing a lancer at someone rolling at me, or running at me, and not been able to down them before they get within 10ft and instantly kill me with their choice of shotgun. the rifles should have a slowing effect whether you are roadie running, normal running, dodging.... anything. but they dont. they only slow the roadie run, or the slow on everything else is so insignificant you cant notice it. and besides, its not like it is hard, if someone is firing a lancer at you, to dodge sideways, dodge forward, and then you are within 5ft of the person with a shotgun in their face, while they are still probably either switching weapons or backpedaling because it happens so fast.
Got my first shot at the multiplayer today and the sawed off shotgun is ridiculously strong in close range but it is a shotgun afterall. This gears is relying heavily on power weapons now. Whoever gets the power weapons win. I was playing TDM on Gridlock and we lost the first round but it was pretty even. 2nd round I pick up the frags and boomshot and get 8 or 9 kills easily. We win that round in the last round I pick up the incendiary grenades and take out 3 or 4 team without much problem and from then on we just ran over the top of them and won the game. The next game was in the football stadium and they destroyed us because they got hold of the mulcher and the ink grenades both rounds. We had no chance.
I played Gears 1&2 alot, and that we have a new shot-gun for people to run around with is awesome. Now i'm sick of lame people crying about it saying its cheap, its not anymore cheap then the normal shotgun, you just have to start a new strategy.
Nothing wrong with the sawed off at all. Yes it is powerful but highly inacurate and needs to be reloaded after every shot and has a slow reload to top it off. A fair gun in my opinion.
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