Free Xbox Live ~ It's (not so) Common Sense

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#1 Shot0fClarity
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First of all, I'd like to say I love the Xbox 360. It simply is the best. It just seems to me that they should offer free Xbox Live. I live in an area that doesn't offer high speed internet; so the only time that I can play online is when I go to a friend's house. When I owned my old ps2 this wasn't a problem. I'd plug it in and we'd be online. Now we can't do that. I'd have to pay for a membership when I'd only be spending about 1-2 nights a month on live. From Microsoft's standpoint, it doesnt make much sense either. Take a look at it this way. There are about 13-14 Million Xbox 360's sold as of now. M$ says that less than 75% of all Xbox 360 owners use Xbox live. So we'll say that M$ makes this much money per year off of Live: 13.5m(# of 360 owners) * 0.75 (the 75% of owners that use Live) * $5.00 ( monthly rate of Live) * 12 ( months in a year) = $607.5 Million/yr

While this may seem like a pretty decent profit, its hard to tell how many people it keeps from buying a 360. It is a fact that about 75% of gamers are casual gamers. Which means that they don't play religously. ( People that might only play live 5 times a month). These poeple aren't going to pay for online service, because they will feel like they're paying for something they don't use. This keeps casual gamers buying Sony consoles, which have free online. If M$ would change their live policy, not only would they make a lot more current owners happy they would sell a lot more 360's per quarter/year/etc. If you go back to M$'s approximate annual profit from live. $607.5 Mill / $399 (average 360 cost)= 1,518,750. This number represents how many extra units a year M$ would have to move to come even; instead of charging for Live. After coming even with that many units sold. That many more people will be paying a $60 price tag for a game after they buy a console.

In my opinion, and according to most statistics, I think that offering a free online service would sell MANY MORE units than 1.5M/yr. With less than a combined 35 million units sold in this gen; and looking at last gen units going beyond 210 million units. It is obvious that most/all of the hardcore gamers have bought their consoles, it is now up to casual gamers to decide where they will buy.

So basically if you didn't feel like reading my long and drawn out version... It would help previous consumers, future buyers, and M$ if they quit charging for Xbox Live. The only thing Sony has that the 360 doesn't completely blow away. Any questions, comments, critic on mistakes are welcome. Just please keep it on topic. Hopefully Microsoft pays attention.

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#3 axes03
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i didnt readthe whole thing, sorry.

if live was free, it would be kind of a disaster, because it would be more chaotic than it is (if thats possibles). A*holes would run riots because if they get banned, they can just make new accounts and continue on, matchmaking would be broken because people would keep making new accounts and pick on n00bs.

my suggestions would be to, make it 50 bucks to buy an account, and after that its free. but yeah whatever, im fine with paying 5 bucks a month for a awesome service like live

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#4 axes03
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The PSN is free and you get Lag free server's and It's free, has XBXLVE isnt Free and is Laggy in some places

PS360Fanboy

dont start that garbage comparison again, theres been many topics on it and its been proved how much superior live is compared to that trash service called PSN

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#5 bazanger
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i have to dissagree with you, i am VERY happy to be paying for live. sure i play more than a few times a month, but i think XBL is a great service, and in life nothing good comes free. besides, $5 a month is not a lot, something like 16¢ a day i do believe.
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#6 kerrman
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Same position as Axes on this one. Making it a one buy for playing forever seems good to me. But for now I'm fine with paying $70 for a year of playing (even as a broke college student).
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#7 ColoradoKindBud
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The PSN is free and you get Lag free server's and It's free, has XBXLVE isnt Free and is Laggy in some places

PS360Fanboy

First of all, devs host their own servers on PSN, not Sony. Yes, they are lag-free, but there is no unified online structure with PSN so it's much more difficult & costlyfor devs to get their PS3 games online. Secondly, there is hardly any content on the PSN compared to Live which has an absolute ****load of content available.

Also, even with a blazing-fast connection, DL'ing things from the PSN is super slow. You also don't have the awesome friend options that you get over Live on the PS3, hardly anyone uses headsets online with PS3 because it's janky in the extreme, etc etc. Live is worth every penny, PSN is free, but you get what you're paying for.

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#8 callumo
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I don't think it'll be free anytime soon, but I think they should at least give us a little more for our money, or make it more open so we can get mods for our games like pc and ps3.
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#9 03mareed
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If it aint broke, dont fix it.
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#10 Strife88
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It costs almost nothing, If you can save $5 a month then you can afford it.
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#11 scotty992
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It is free its called silver....nah jk.

Dosent cost that much get over it...

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#13 PS360Fanboy
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live's good, really good but they need to sort out the Lag
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#14 lukeymonw
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I think that paying for LIVE is perfectly reasonable. Granted it is buggy at times but what isn't? I can hook up anytime I want. Download demos, movies, extra content etc. And, for me at least, laggy games are very few and far between since I upgraded to FIOS. The cost for LIVE, which ls like 5 bucks a month or something is pennies per day, seems like a bargain to me. I do understand that it may be tough for younger players who don't have part time jobs. Maybe ask for a year subscription for a holiday or birthday. As far as not paying because you rarely use the service...You really can't base somethings cost on the fact that you are not going to use it often. I took a 3 week vacation in the summer. Even though I didn't use my cable, internet, phone I still had to pay the bills that month. That's just the way things are. A service like LIVE requires upkeep and constant maintenance to operate. They don't make even close to enough money on 360 units alone to cover something like that, even if they did sell more due to free LIVE. So a small fee is necessary for an overall quality service.
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#15 Chaism
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I think in the future, When they can run advertising alot more based off of the console for next gen, It will be free but with ads while loading and over every blade to make money from advertsiing for mircosoft.

Side note: I swear every time I hear Free xbox live. It reminds of a bunch of people out side a jail holding signs that say,"Free Xbox Live"

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#16 bighopp5451238
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Wow some of these morons actually think PSN (piece of S**t network) is better than live. what a bunch ofsony Di** Riders!
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#17 Shot0fClarity
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Like I stated in the beginning. Im perfectly happy with Live, and I think its a great service, I just thing it helps out everyone if its free, im not criticizing anyone. It probly wouldn't be a problem at all if I was old enough to own a credit card.
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#18 bighopp5451238
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you don't need a credit card. go tothe store and buy a subscription card.
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#19 lukeymonw
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Do you have a bank account? I use my debit card. I never thought, do you have to be a certain age to have a debit card? If so can't you buy a Live card and redeem it that way?
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#20 anubis8515
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Acaully i have no problem with payig for live. i acually have 2 accounts. And you are not counting MS making money off of there DLC content.
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#21 crusher2002000
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i wouldn't have a problem paying if it was dedicated servers but this p2p **** is messing some games up.
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#22 Shot0fClarity
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I think DLC should have to be paid for. I just think that if you buy a game, you should be able to play it online. $60 for a game should allow me to take full advantage of everything on that disk. Aren't the paid cards at retell stores 12 month?
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#23 bighopp5451238
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If you have a problem paying for live then stick to ps3 with their wonderful selection of games.
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#24 celticpyro
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I gladly pay for xbox live. like that one guy said you get what you pay for. i have mostly great connections all the time (cept when playing against them english types) and notice the only one saying that XBL is not worth it has the name PS3Fanboy?
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#25 celticpyro
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the retail cards are 12 months plus one free wich is awesome
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#26 bazanger
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If you have a problem paying for live then stick to ps3 with their wonderful selection of games.bighopp5451238
lol
I think DLC should have to be paid for. I just think that if you buy a game, you should be able to play it online. $60 for a game should allow me to take full advantage of everything on that disk. Aren't the paid cards at retell stores 12 month?Shot0fClarity
yeah, but it's $50, which is cheaper than paying $7 a month.
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#28 KenpachiSama
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And looking from a business perspective, WHY would Microsoft not charge for Live when people are so willing to spend money on it??? Only a moronic business person wouldn't take advantage of such a profiting idea.
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#29 enterprise1345
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Meh i dont really care lol its only 60-70 bucks a year which to me is nothing and i only have a part-time job working just weekends due to school. If you dont have high speed then you cant get the service so really i dont understand why your complaining seeing as even if it was free you still wouldnt be able to play(correct if wrong). For a mere 70 bucks a month i think its worth. I have a Ps3 as well and its online is great as well but i feel it is lacking the style and ease of XBL which i believe is due to the payment aspect. Personally i couldnt care less either way not only will it not happen but i feel like im getting my money's worth for 70 bucks a month.
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#30 callen3
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$50/365 days = 0.14 cents a day. if you can't afford that, you shouldn't be playing video games.
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#31 Maxsimus_basic
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well i can understand why it has a price. since theres loads of content and the servers seem to be hosted by Microsoft (like battle.net //blizzard//)

However valves steam service on pc is totally free. and it allows you to do just about the same as you do on live. However download times are higher there (i usually download with 150-400kb/sek from steam while i get a stable 850lb/sek from live). But why not make ppl choose. get fast downloads and be able to make your own servers on live (battle.net style) if you pay.Or have slower downloads and no ability to make you own servers. Im pretty new to xbox, and dont the 360 games have dedicated servers like pc games ?. You know where you enter a browser and see "randomklan TF2 all cp_dustbowl only" or "randomgamesite TF All maps" and you are able to enter the server which seems to suit you best. You might even find a favourite server. i know i had the when i played CSS on pc there where some servers that i was a regular on, and other players where to. which is kinda fun, since you can will play with and against ppl you "know".

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#32 deactivated-5cf2c77e6a2c5
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You stress a good point and axes03 point about More A holes coming througth is a great point to consider . But charging for stuff that could be free dosen't always put me off i don't mind paying for XBL as it is a great service. But another example of me not careing about a charge is the Veiw Askew Board as the 2 doller charge is a good way to filter 'trash/A holes . This Link also somes up what I'am saying
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