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#1 onuruca
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is there a really graphicial difference between 720p and 1080p at Gta iv for example? and of course other games..

i mean is the graphics get sharper when u get 1080p? thanks..

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#3 onuruca
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wow u sure dont know how to read. i asked the difference between two
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#4 shawn7324
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Some people say that they can't see a difference, however myself I can. I have 1 HDTV that I play in 720p & another in 1080p, I can tell a difference everytime I switch. Now 720p to 1080i is another story.

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#5 Hakud0ushi
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Yes, thats obvious. The higher the better.

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#6 orb_03_2006
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Yes, thats obvious. The higher the better.

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yup.
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#7 Hotwire246
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[QUOTE="orb_03_2006"][QUOTE="Hakud0ushi"]

Yes, thats obvious. The higher the better.

yup.

Not necessarily. And to shawn7324 you can't compare the difference of 2 different TVs as they will both vary in quality non dependant of resolution. I think it depends on the actual game output, I mean GTA IV runs at 576p which means that at 720p or 1080p it doesnt matter because the game will still only be output at 576p. I THINK anyway. Might be wrong.
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#8 gamegod
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very few games actually run in 1080p.i can tell the difference in some arcade games but its jump in quality deosnt really show until you watch a blu ray.

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#9 TheSoundSystem
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"Pros for 720p, progressive signal, so it can reach 60fps instead of 60 half frames per second for an interlaced signal. That means better motion in games supporting 60 fps.

Pros for 1080i, a native resolution of 1920 by 1080 instead 1280 by 720, which means a way sharper image, again for games made in 1080i (or 1080p 30fps).

Anyway, most games run in 720p 30fps, so its not that big of a deal.

The best resolusion will always be your TVs native resolution"

- Idontremember

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#10 onuruca
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[QUOTE="Hotwire246"][QUOTE="orb_03_2006"][QUOTE="Hakud0ushi"]

Yes, thats obvious. The higher the better.

yup.

Not necessarily. And to shawn7324 you can't compare the difference of 2 different TVs as they will both vary in quality non dependant of resolution. I think it depends on the actual game output, I mean GTA IV runs at 576p which means that at 720p or 1080p it doesnt matter because the game will still only be output at 576p. I THINK anyway. Might be wrong.

thats the exact thing that i'm thinking and tryin to get an answer.
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#11 ThatGuyFromB4
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Well, here's my experience. I've got a LG 32" 720p HDTV and a Samsung 23" PC monitor with a native resolution of 1920x1080 (or 1080p), and I've tested several games on both of them and I see ABSOLUTELY NO difference. It's not sharper in 1080p, it's not clearer, nothing. Now, maybe the TV is just better quality, but I don't think so. Most games are 720p anyway, maybe it's just 1080p games that you can really tell the difference?
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#12 onuruca
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Well, here's my experience. I've got a LG 32" 720p HDTV and a Samsung 23" PC monitor with a native resolution of 1920x1080 (or 1080p), and I've tested several games on both of them and I see ABSOLUTELY NO difference. It's not sharper in 1080p, it's not clearer, nothing. Now, maybe the TV is just better quality, but I don't think so. Most games are 720p anyway, maybe it's just 1080p games that you can really tell the difference?ThatGuyFromB4
hmm interesting
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#13 HydraRizlim
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Absolutely it's much more beautiful full hd (maybe that's why they call it FULL hd :))

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#14 weezyindamuluva
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there is a slight difference...i switch between 2 rooms, 1 has a 1080p and 1 has a 720p...i really dont have a great xbox 360 example...ud prolly be alright with a 720p...if it says the game runs in full hd...u will be missing some quality
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#15 wwervin
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Most games only run at 720p or lower anyway, however you know what they say, the bigger the better. 1080p is full HD so obviously it's the better one to get, however you have to take note of what you're running on it. If GTA4 doesn't run at 1080p (which it doesn't) then there's really no difference.
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#16 ghost2046
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check the refrence levels on the 360-that will make a huge difference

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#17 Hotwire246
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check the refrence levels on the 360-that will make a huge difference

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You can't do that without VGA.
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#18 onuruca
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there is a slight difference...i switch between 2 rooms, 1 has a 1080p and 1 has a 720p...i really dont have a great xbox 360 example...ud prolly be alright with a 720p...if it says the game runs in full hd...u will be missing some qualityweezyindamuluva
can u give some examples for those slightly different games:)
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#19 Gen007
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Well i think most games only run in 720p so it dosent really matter how high you put the rez. What does matter is the native rez of the tv because that will always look best so if you have a 1080p native tv then that of course will look better than if you ran 720p video on it which is the case with most big tvs.

I have a full1080p 50in TV and yeah it looks great on there but i also use a 17in 720p tv thats looks just as great so i think as long as your matching your tvs rez you should be good.

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#20 tripl3_thr34t
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it really only depends on the size of the tv you have. you're only going to see noticably better definition with a tv above 46". anything below that 720p and 1080p are almost identical.
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#21 Taijiquan
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imo it only makes sense to go 1080p. No matter what resolution a game outputs your TV is still going to display its native resolution. Say a game is 640p/or 720p and you are using a 1080p set, ff the screen is filled then you are seeing 1920 by 1080 pixels.

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#22 ThatGuyFromB4
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imo it only makes sense to go 1080p. No matter what resolution a game outputs your TV is still going to display its native resolution. Say a game is 640p/or 720p and you are using a 1080p set, ff the screen is filled then you are seeing 1920 by 1080 pixels.

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But a 640p game isn't suddenly a 1080p game just because you're playing it on a 1080p TV. Think about it, just because you play a DVD on a 1080p TV doesn't mean you're getting full 1080p, you need Bluray for that because on Bluray, the movie's NATIVE resolution is 1080p. Same thing applies for games.
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#23 Taijiquan
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[QUOTE="Taijiquan"]

imo it only makes sense to go 1080p. No matter what resolution a game outputs your TV is still going to display its native resolution. Say a game is 640p/or 720p and you are using a 1080p set, ff the screen is filled then you are seeing 1920 by 1080 pixels.

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But a 640p game isn't suddenly a 1080p game just because you're playing it on a 1080p TV. Think about it, just because you play a DVD on a 1080p TV doesn't mean you're getting full 1080p, you need Bluray for that because on Bluray, the movie's NATIVE resolution is 1080p. Same thing applies for games.

What you are saying is exactly correct but there is confusion in the terminology. As I said... the TV is going to display its native resolution. If the TV's native resolution is 1080 you are going to get 1920 by 1080 pixels. As far as Blu Ray, this is a poor example because resolution is not the defining factor of what makes the image look good. You can not just factor in resolution because you have to lean on Bitrate etc. There were quite a few HD DVDs that were 1080i that looked every bit as good as their 1080p variants. Naturally the TV deinterlaced this to 1080p but the point stands. Bottomline, get 1080p.
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#24 catrocr
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it really only depends on the size of the tv you have. you're only going to see noticably better definition with a tv above 46". anything below that 720p and 1080p are almost identical.tripl3_thr34t
^^^This^^^ I have a 32" 720p and it's the best graphics I have ever seen. The only thing 1080p gets you is a bigger TV so you don't have to sit so close. I sit close because I like to sit close, so 32" 720p is just fine with me. To me, 1080p is just a waste of money. I have also heard of people having screen-tearing in the graphics of games running full 1080p. IMO it's just not worth it.
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#25 mitu123
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If you play a 720p game in 1080p, your basically scaling it to 1080p to fit your TV/monitor, which is called upscaling, and the size of height and width of the res is the main difference to get a various size in picture quality. Playing a 1080p game in 1080p is perfect. Since half the games this gen are 720p-1080p, well a few games are 1080p, this is a good thing, but for lower than 720p games, seeing Halo 3 and Perfect Dark Zero(which are in 640p) on a HDTV won't make a difference if you want it to be in HD. And don't play games in 1080i either.

For a list of games in sub HD(below 720, above 480) and HD(720 and higher), click on the link below:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

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#26 Kollawona
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That depends. Look at the back of a game case. If a game says it can do 1080p max then it will look better then 720p. Otherwise if a game says it can do 720p max then wether you make 1080p or 720p then it will stay the same. For me I stick to 720p because if you play a game that has an output of 580p like GTA IV, then if you put it a 1080p you may get some HD lag.

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#27 slipknot0129
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Difference between 720p and 1080p is a night and day experience. Once you go 1080p you never go back.

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#28 stele29
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This is a silly question. There is in fact a huge difference between the two in that 1080P is a higher resolution than 720P. There are more pixels, thus more clarity of textures. What your asking is whether or not the difference is perceivable. That depends on the person and there is no right answer. If your someone who can go from watching a dvd to a blu-ray and not notice what the difference is, then no your not gonna notice. If you have good eyes and can see that the edges of textures are rough, than your gonna notice. Its as simple as that.

I'm not saying your silly for asking it. I'm saying its a silly question because when asked as you ask it, there are no right answers, only opinions.

But in short, yes there is a difference, and that is pixel count, and that is the only right answer.

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#29 Next-Gen-Tec
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The game is 720p native, 1080p would just be upscaled. It won't make a big difference.
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#30 onuruca
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thanks for the replies guys. hope it'll keep comin:D
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#31 jelloblimp
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it really only depends on the size of the tv you have. you're only going to see noticably better definition with a tv above 46". anything below that 720p and 1080p are almost identical.tripl3_thr34t

Thank god people are posting this, I was getting tired of posting it every single time a HD/FullHD-thread was made.

The game is 720p native, 1080p would just be upscaled. It won't make a big difference.Next-Gen-Tec

Also very true.

But it is bad to set to 720p on a 1080p-screen, why? Becuase the screen will always up-scale non-native resolution content to its own native resolution, this could make the picture much worse and/or introduce lag. Using the 360:s own scaler does a better job (unless you have a really really expensive tv).

HDTV resolution explained is one link that explains it (fairly) well.

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#32 onuruca
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#33 mitu123
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Simply play 720p games on a 720p screen, or upscale it to a 1080p screen, which isn't that much different, and 1080p on 1080p of course.

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#34 brandontwb
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Most games aren't above 720p resolution. In fact, many games aren't even 720p. Halo and COD are both under 720p. Here is a list of resolutions for games.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

Any resolution that is not above around 720 or 768 won't really look better in 1080p.

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#35 mitu123
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Most games aren't above 720p resolution. In fact, many games aren't even 720p. Halo and COD are both under 720p. Here is a list of resolutions for games. Any resolution that is not above around 720 or 768 won't really look better in 1080p.brandontwb
Where's the list, here's mine. Edit, oh never mind, you edited your post.

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#37 mitu123
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I'll bump just for the fun of it, and hopefully more people will read our comments.:)

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#38 beardtm
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is there a really graphicial difference between 720p and 1080p at Gta iv for example? and of course other games..

i mean is the graphics get sharper when u get 1080p? thanks..

onuruca

depends on which device is better at scaling. most new tvs will be better than xbox at scaling.

then there the input lag...360 can scale faster than a tv so theres less input lag.

i just let my xbox scale it looks fine, and i have samsungs flagship led backlit lcd