Games these days have a bad case of the "I'm too shorts."

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#1 Shadowscale18
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Seriously, games these days are SHORT. Well, for the most part. Single player campaigns are far too short anymore. So tell me, what's the longest game you've played? (I'm almost tempted to say no RPG's, since they're supposed to be long, but I'll allow them.)

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#2 AstraNoString
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Since the technology that goes into making games has increased and it takes much longer to make a game it's much more difficult for developers to make longer games in the short time frame given to them. When you throw in that most games now contain some sort of multiplayer that eats up more time.

I for one would rather play a single player campaign that only lasted 6 hours and was top knotch all the way than some 16 hours joke that was thrown together. I would also rather see a game with a short single player campaign and steller multiplayer over a game with not so great multiplayer and a few more hours in the campaign, since that's where 80% of the replay value is for me. Look at CoD4 and Halo3. Those games have amazing multiplayer, and the game is worth the $60 price tag simply for it's multiplayer. For me the extra 6-8 hour campaign is just iceing on the cake.

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#3 Shadowscale18
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I detest multiplayer. I mean, it's all right, but a good single player campaign with a nice story is all I ask for. And look at the Final Fantasy games coming out, andout right now. They're cutting edge, and long as hell.
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I detest multiplayer. I mean, it's all right, but a good single player campaign with a nice story is all I ask for. And look at the Final Fantasy games coming out, andout right now. They're cutting edge, and long as hell.Shadowscale18

FF blows IMO, couldnt think of anything more boring to play. Get Mass Effect...

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#5 Shadowscale18
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[QUOTE="Shadowscale18"]I detest multiplayer. I mean, it's all right, but a good single player campaign with a nice story is all I ask for. And look at the Final Fantasy games coming out, andout right now. They're cutting edge, and long as hell.darksusperia

FF blows IMO, couldnt think of anything more boring to play. Get Mass Effect...

I have Mass Effect, and have almost beaten it. I was just siting FF as a commonly known, long RPG.

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#6 Ket87
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Games do not need to be long. Long games are boring and tend to have little to go back to because you've already invested so much time. Games take longer to make now, and take up more disc space, and usually have multiplayer which takes up both disc space and dev time. Its just the direction developers are sort of forced to move towards. But its a good one, it should not take 80 hours to beat any game, a single player game should be 10-15 and a RPG should be 20-30 no more.
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#7 darksusperia
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I think the main issue is development time vs cost effectiveness. if it takes to long to develop a long ass game that your not entirely sure your going to get the returns on, they will make the game short.
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#8 wreak
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the longest shooter i have ever played has to be bioshock. and i'm glad they put all there effort into just a single player game. caus for the most part ppl don't care about MP, infact this may be surprising but most ppl don't even finish the games they buy. as for my last point though, let the unreals and the halos have the MP world caus there realy good at it, and just put your resources into making an outstanding story driven game, rather then just 2 totaly seperate and mediocre games.
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#9 skeeter1255
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well before developers didnt tend to much time for the mutiplayer but now since multiplayer is one of thebig things they shorter and shorter so as long as the mutiplayer is good then its all good!
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#10 Shadowscale18
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the longest shooter i have ever played has to be bioshock. and i'm glad they put all there effort into just a single player game. caus for the most part ppl don't care about MP, infact this may be surprising but most ppl don't even finish the games they buy. as for my last point though, let the unreals and the halos have the MP world caus there realy good at it, and just put your resources into making an outstanding story driven game, rather then just 2 totaly seperate and mediocre games. wreak

Now this guy's got his head on straight.

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#11 halo3-player
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What do you expect? Honestly any fps out there add more hours and you would get bored or tired THINK of gears what plot could they add none. be glad you can even play the game there are poor rotting kids in africa who would love the chance to play...or eat
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#12 blue-fish
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Long games can be amazing (not the 50-100 hour ones so much) but RE4 was 20 hours and was amazing every moment. Bioshock could have gone on for at least 30 and I would have been tickled pink. Assassins Creed was 15 and people complain. And from what I hear Mass Effect is 30 and people are drooling over it and doing multiple playthroughs. So I call B.S. on long games being boring. Except for COD4 and Halo3 almost every blockbuster game this year has been single player focused so put that in your crack pipe and smoke it.

Multiplayer is great, but since most games are forgotten quick I only think it's a good idea when they are willing to go all out (ie COD4, Halo3 etc.)

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#13 LordSephiroth92
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Has anyone here played bioshock? Now that was a short game. They spent so much time on makeinga great battle system and stuff that the forgot about the story and oblivion was a Great Short RPG but the main story was way to short, I UNderstnad you can do alot of other side quests and explore the world map but still
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#14 blue-fish
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Has anyone here played bioshock? Now that was a short game. They spent so much time on makeinga great battle system and stuff that the forgot about the story and oblivion was a Great Short RPG but the main story was way to short, I UNderstnad you can do alot of other side quests and explore the world map but stillLordSephiroth92

Oblivion was short? The single player story took me 20 hours (I meandered a bit to be honest) but I was easily bored by that story by the end of it. Thank goodness for the rest of the massive game, the actual point of Oblivion (everyting else). Yea, it ain't Final Fantasy lengths, but that's just too damn long for most people who enoy going outside and talkig to people and stuff (and playing other games)

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#15 LordSephiroth92
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Yea the story was kinda boring but the last level made up for it : )
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#16 Shadowscale18
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I just think that short games leave me wanting more, and awaiting a sequel, but I understand all of the points you guys have been making. Just, in my opinion, I wish they'd make games longer.
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I like replaying games and long games make me never want to go back to them because I don't want to invest the large amount of time again. I feel like buying a long game then never playing it again was a poor investment. Games like Resident Evil I've probably completed the 2nd and 4th games 30-40 times each no joke. I love perfecting short games and doing speed runs and there hasn't been a game worthy of doing that in a few years it seems.
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#18 AstraNoString
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Has anyone here played bioshock? Now that was a short game. They spent so much time on makeinga great battle system and stuff that the forgot about the story and oblivion was a Great Short RPG but the main story was way to short, I UNderstnad you can do alot of other side quests and explore the world map but stillLordSephiroth92

So you would rather have played through Bioshock with a longer story and a half a$$'d battle system? The battle system in that game MADE that game what it was.

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Agreed, games just need to be LONGER. As much as i love mass effect, I was hoping for a longer main story. Sure the sidequests and replayability give it a lot of value, but i thought the main quest would be at least 30 hours, which is still kinda short for an RPG. I was thinking it would be as long as a Final Fantasy or something.
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#20 archer7527
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it can be short if it has lots of replayability

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#21 msdd9
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I don't really mind short games because some games like Gears and Halo 3 are perfect in their shortness. I've played through Gears' sp 7 times because it's short and fun. I would rather do that than have a game that has a few really fun parts and a lot of crap in between (spend 10 hours on the game for one cool part then spend 10 hours til the next cool part...). If I want to play a long game I play games like OBLIVION, Mass Effect, and Lego SW: TCS (it's a long game if you try to get everything).

Also to the guys arguing over what mad Bioshock it was the story imo that made the game. Other than the plasmids the battle system was just that of an average fps that lacked punch (literally the weapons had little kick to them).

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Has anyone here played bioshock? Now that was a short game. They spent so much time on makeinga great battle system and stuff that the forgot about the story and oblivion was a Great Short RPG but the main story was way to short, I UNderstnad you can do alot of other side quests and explore the world map but stillLordSephiroth92

Oblivion? Short!? No no NO. I honestly spent 70 HOURS playing that game and only closed, I believe, 4 Oblivion gates. It all depends on how you play and what you like to do. I enjoy free roaming games where you don't have to follow the beaten path. Just exploring the landscape and finding hidden dungeons was fun as hell to me .

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#23 Jericho721
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i guess thats how the game industry works, if they are to extend it.. the game takes longer to release
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#24 white45e
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what games are we comparing them to ?

games on the nes,genesis,atari could all be beaten within a few short hours and included no multiplayer.

sure there were some that were longer like rpgs but we have them now as well and with the improved graphics,voice acting, replay value all i see is great games.

stop whining

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#25 NasRex
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what games are we comparing them to ?

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Half-life1/2 and bioshock?

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Do you know how hard it is to make a video game? It can possibly take months on end just to put in the first hour of a game with bad graphics that they will have to correct manually, correct textures, add shadows because people are whining, and they have to sometimes put in sweat just so there hard worked game won't be forgotten. That could take about 6 months to do the first hour or level! Thats why most games that have planned sequels usaully have their surpasser already halfway done before they release the game. Halo 3 was actually going to be way better than it was supposed to be because they requested a delay to perfect their game, but people complained so they had to release their game unfinished, and people complained anyway. So if you want the ultimate game, give the game creators about, I don't know, maybe just short of a decade, and they'll be done. I'm not insulting you in anyway, but I was like you and I moaned about short games until I got firsthand experience.
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Do you know how hard it is to make a video game? It can possibly take months on end just to put in the first hour of a game with bad graphics that they will have to correct manually, correct textures, add shadows because people are whining, and they have to sometimes put in sweat just so there hard worked game won't be forgotten. That could take about 6 months to do the first hour or level! Thats why most games that have planned sequels usaully have their surpasser already halfway done before they release the game. Halo 3 was actually going to be way better than it was supposed to be because they requested a delay to perfect their game, but people complained so they had to release their game unfinished, and people complained anyway. So if you want the ultimate game, give the game creators about, I don't know, maybe just short of a decade, and they'll be done. I'm not insulting you in anyway, but I was like you and I moaned about short games until I got firsthand experience.MassEfectivator

So I assume you're a video game developer? That's pretty kool.

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#28 DJ-PRIME90
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Well its because most games are rushed too much, EA pretends that they have no idea about this issue. So they just release expansion packs, maps and downloadable content.
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#29 slicnick
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Games do not need to be long. Long games are boring and tend to have little to go back to because you've already invested so much time. Games take longer to make now, and take up more disc space, and usually have multiplayer which takes up both disc space and dev time. Its just the direction developers are sort of forced to move towards. But its a good one, it should not take 80 hours to beat any game, a single player game should be 10-15 and a RPG should be 20-30 no more.Ket87

exactly

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[QUOTE="MassEfectivator"]Do you know how hard it is to make a video game? It can possibly take months on end just to put in the first hour of a game with bad graphics that they will have to correct manually, correct textures, add shadows because people are whining, and they have to sometimes put in sweat just so there hard worked game won't be forgotten. That could take about 6 months to do the first hour or level! Thats why most games that have planned sequels usaully have their surpasser already halfway done before they release the game. Halo 3 was actually going to be way better than it was supposed to be because they requested a delay to perfect their game, but people complained so they had to release their game unfinished, and people complained anyway. So if you want the ultimate game, give the game creators about, I don't know, maybe just short of a decade, and they'll be done. I'm not insulting you in anyway, but I was like you and I moaned about short games until I got firsthand experience.stevenk4k5

Im not one. My cousin is and I kept griping about it, so he showed me around for a day and I was begging to leave lol

So I assume you're a video game developer? That's pretty kool.

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Definatly. I don't have Live, so its really hard on me, paying $60 for a game i can beat over the weekend.
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#32 MassEfectivator
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Definatly. I don't have Live, so its really hard on me, paying $60 for a game i can beat over the weekend.Guiltfeeder566

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#33 Phazevariance
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I've been renting 360 games like crazy but it's bette rthan buying a game that is 6 hours long with no multiplyer. I like multiplayer, but sometimes i just anna play thoguth a great single player. Buishock was great! Half life 2 was great also! Long SP is good if it's fun. Multiplayer is fun also, but not the first thing i look for in a game. Functionality and concept of gameplay over SP length and multiplayer