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#1 judas-savior
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Hi Everyone,

After getting a good gist of the new rating system I felt it was time someone put up a petition to have gamespot change the current rating system back to the old one or to create a new hybrid between old and new because I feel that the new system is limiting gamspot ability to review acurately and bringing them below par in comparism to other gaming sites. This petition is not due to any reviews in particular or related to any of the reviewers abilities because I think Jeff is more than capable and is generally on the ball but restricting the rating to be stuck within a 0.5 - 1.0 bracket is just not going to work and I think alot of people will be taking gamespots reviews alot less seriously because in comparism to other sites they will either seem that they are under-rating games or over-rating them.

Please sign the petition to have it changed or vote in the poll so Gamespot can see what its users think as in all reality thier job exists for us the gaming community and I feel we the right to have a say and let them know what we think and in return I know all the gamespot staff are awesome and would be more than happy to hear our views.

Thankyou Everyone!

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#2 baronOdoom
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would you have done this if bioshock scored higher? dont cry
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#3 pete_merlin
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i thin kthe new system is a much more accorate way of reviewing a game. you cant just rate games on graphics and gameplay andall the other stuff gamespot used to ONLY rate.
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#4 mikeneb430
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I would like it if it was the old system, only with emblems
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#5 pete_merlin
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and why would they change it if some of their members dont like it. not everyone agrees. so far no1 liked the old system better than the new. just get over because to be honest, its just a website and shouldnt have you wanting to create petations to change it. do something else with your time. like play a game. thats what the whole site is about. playing games and enjoying yourself.
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#6 tkemory
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I am fine with the new system, as long as they go back and re-rate all games so the rating make sense and the comparisons wont be so confusing.
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#7 judas-savior
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Actually nothing to do with Bioshock as I think Jeff is very capable and was on the ball I just think that the new system is limiting and they need to create a hybrid of both systems as with some games a 0.5 - 1.0 bracket is just to large and all games are going to end up with very generic scores. I personally would love to see the the new system mixed in with a looser scoring bracket or something like that.
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#8 Israelli
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I would most definitely not want it to go back to the old system.

But I agree, this system isn't perfect either. In the explanation they almost stated they wanted a more casual review style. Well, that doesn't make any sense. They are the only ones out there that review games accurately without buying into hype. You could almost call it harsh sometimes but they are always right on the money. But they still want to review casually? It's just weird.

The medal thing for games is very nice, but each medal often has a weird name and a huge discription that it doesn't need. On top of that, the reviewer now seems to 'guess' what rating he should give a game. While it would be better to make a summary of aspects and add it all up in my opinion. Maybe with a final verdict added to it of what the reviewer thinks the game should get that would influence the score at a final moment.

But in any case, I have to agree. The system right now isn't perfect either but I seriously doubt they are going to change it within 10 years. If they do, they would admit they made a mistake. So even if they feel it's not that great, they wouldn't change it anyway.

But oh well, it's better then the old system if you ask me. All we lost was 0.1 increments but really, you can make that up for yourself.

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#9 judas-savior
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and why would they change it if some of their members dont like it. not everyone agrees. so far no1 liked the old system better than the new. just get over because to be honest, its just a website and shouldnt have you wanting to create petations to change it. do something else with your time. like play a game. thats what the whole site is about. playing games and enjoying yourself.pete_merlin

It was just an idea, and if I could be playing games right now I would be but its the middle of the night and im at work. I just have high respect for Gamespot and thier opinions in general and I would not like to see that respect lost by others. Shoot me for not liking it but I just think its too limiting and stands out to previously released games.

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#10 Israelli
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I am fine with the new system, as long as they go back and re-rate all games so the rating make sense and the comparisons wont be so confusing.tkemory

Well, that problem is only here because the system is new. In a few years time no one would be comparing a game of that day to one of right now. And in a year time, 'almost' no one will. So that problem will go away with time.

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#11 judas-savior
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I do prefer the new system in alot of ways over the old, its just the 0.1 increments being removed that I find limiting. I will still stick with gamespot regardless and perhaps petition probly shouldn't have been the word used should have left it as a poll but I just think that both systems are good but if they were to combine them into a new system they would have an excellent review system.
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#12 rav44
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i liked the old one a lot more.
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#13 zaphod_b
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I personally don't see why a video game rating system needs 100 degrees of granularity. The new system alows for 21 degrees of granularity, which seems like more than enough to me. All this arguing over what deserves an 8.7 versus an 8.5 is rediculous. Something based on opinion cannot be that precise. Just get over it and move on.
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#14 bluntiss
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I completelyagree with you. The new system sucks. I mean there's a big difference between a game that scored a 9.3 vs a 9.0.. would they bump it up or does it go down? It just really doesn't make much sense to me.

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#15 rav44
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the thing i don't like about the new one is that you can't compare different versions of games because it is always either .5 or .0. say that one version get an 8.3 and another gets an 8.4..... they are both rated 8.5 which eventually causes different console or pc owners to argue about which is better.

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#16 chandlerr_360
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The old system was much better, and as you can see, the majority of people simply want it CHANGED BACK. Unfortunately the mods and admins simply don't want to hear it...I have tried posting this type of things in the site enhancements and feedback section (where this belongs), but they just lock it time and time again. It sucks, and the unfortunate truth is, it will probably never change back :(
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#17 westsidejedi360
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I hate this new system, plain and simple
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#18 miiiguel
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I don't get the "comparision" problem, does this have to be a competition all the time ? What matters is the text, the written speech, the review itself!

The new system is way better, much more professional. Less kidish. Most of the more mature oriented video-games sites/publications use this method, or even without decimals.

Just read the text.

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#19 chandlerr_360
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I don't get the "comparision" problem, does this have to be a competition all the time ? What matters is the text, the written speech, the review itself!

The new system is way better, much more professional. Less kidish. Most of the more mature oriented video-games sites/publications use this method, or even without decimals.

Just read the text.

miiiguel

*sigh*, that is exactly what the mods are saying. But that is NOT a good idea, a large portion of the people who look at the reviews do not bother with the written review...that is just the way it is. The truth is that the SCORE is a better determining factor of how good the game is rather than the written review...which is more a helping opinion about the game.

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#20 miiiguel
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[QUOTE="miiiguel"]

I don't get the "comparision" problem, does this have to be a competition all the time ? What matters is the text, the written speech, the review itself!

The new system is way better, much more professional. Less kidish. Most of the more mature oriented video-games sites/publications use this method, or even without decimals.

Just read the text.

chandlerr_360

*sigh*, that is exactly what the mods are saying. But that is NOT a good idea, a large portion of the people who look at the reviews do not bother with the written review...that is just the way it is. The truth is that the SCORE is a better determining factor of how good the game is rather than the written review...which is more a helping opinion about the game.

Believe me I don't mean to offend anyone, but it's really a pitty that video-gamers tend to develop a brainless habit which is unhealthy and makes the whole community look like morons, which I believe we are not. To read the reviews is good, it makes you think a bit, discuss what is said there, and it doesn't hurt, believe me.

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#21 judas-savior
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The point is that removing the 0.1 increments it will cause on going forum discussions. I for one watch the video reviews and read the written but alot of people just look at the score and go ok. And we all know that unless games like mass effect, halo 3 etc. don't get a perfect 10 the forums and mobs will be in uproar because gears of war will remain the best xbox 360 of all time. Multi-Platform games will all end up with the same score or having a 0.5 differerence between them and people will argue over and over. just a recipe for chaos, lol.. not that in reality its that important.. but still

I have no problems but I think bringing the increments back in would just make things much simpler.
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#22 miiiguel
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The point is that removing the 0.1 increments it will cause on going forum discussions. I for one watch the video reviews and read the written but alot of people just look at the score and go ok. And we all know that unless games like mass effect, halo 3 etc. don't get a perfect 10 the forums and mobs will be in uproar because gears of war will remain the best xbox 360 of all time. Multi-Platform games will all end up with the same score or having a 0.5 differerence between them and people will argue over and over. just a recipe for chaos, lol.. not that in reality its that important.. but still

I have no problems but I think bringing the increments back in would just make things much simpler.
judas-savior

There you go, that might bepositive. Maybe it'll promote better quality in the foruns arguments, hopefully.

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#23 ajefferism
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I'm not a fan of those dumb icons they have.... Am I eventually supposed to remember what they all mean? I also like how they used to break things down and score graphics story sound gameplay etc. Different isn't always better Gamespot, fix your rating system.

Their actual written reviews haven't changed much and they are good. Its just the dumb icons I can't stand.

I agree with their rating of Bioshock though, their points were valid and were supported with facts. Bioshock looks great but there are no multiplayer options and I could see that after the playthrough of 15-20 you may not touch this game again. I think 9.7 to 9.8 sounds a bit overblown a reaction (like IGNs review of Jade Empire hahahah a 9.9? no, maybe a 9.1 or 9.2)

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#24 judas-savior
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I have no hopes that it would actually change as all I did was make a post in the 360 forum where it seems to be the most contreversal thing going on and soon to continue, I just saw alot of people arguing and alot to come and in all honesty I would love to see a combined hybrid system but unlikely but good for everyone to have there say =)
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#25 Radiozo
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I think its fine the way it it. 20 levels are more than enough.
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please return the old system!!!
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#27 sonofabear17
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i wanna see the old system with the new medals
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#28 Tmills_basic
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I really think people are making a bigger deal out of this than it really needs to be. First of all, the main reason people are complaining now is because of the Bioshock review, because people these days have no self-confidence in their own spending and need everyone to say a game is an 11/10 or something.

But as far as the current system of rating, I dont think most people realize how much better it is. Like many people complain about on these forums, game reviews are another persons general opinion of a game (even if the review is done by 50 other people, it still is just their collective opinions.) Thus it is very difficult and actually innacurate to try and rate a game on a .1 scale because some aspects of a game as subjective to the player. For example, some gamers might really ejoy something, and thus give it a .8, but that same thing might not apply to someone else, and they might give it a .6, but its all based on opinions. So by having a .5 scale between ratings, it allows space for an opinion to be formed by THE GAMER. (yes, YOU have to have you OWN OPINION!!!) If a game gets a racing game gets an 7.5, but you know that you really love racing games, then you may need to apply that in you head to the score and realize that to you the game might be an 8.0.

Honestly, I think people are getting all upset NOT because of the review themselves, but just because of what the point value end of being and what that looks like to other people. These type of people don't care about whether a game is good or not, but they just want to say that one game is somehow better than another (hence all of the "Game A vs Game B" and "Game C or Game D" threads in these forums.) Who cares if one game gets a 9.0 and another gets a 9.5? They both are Great Games that you should atleast try if they are your taste....but its not about that apparently, its all about what everyone else thinks (from what board members are saying). However, I would say that if you can't make your OWN decision about what games your like or dislike, then you don't need to be playing videogames at all. Maybe you are not yet ready to make an educated decision of what fun and good is.

Finally, I hope you all realize that Gamespot allows YOU to review the games as well, so that anyone who may not think the way that any editor reviews a game is accurate, they can always read other reviews as well. Now I know the common response to that is something like "But they are professional editors and I dont want to trust a review by just some random person". And to that I say, exactly, they are PROFESSIONALS, and you most likely are not, so let them do what they are good at, and you do what you are good at. Good Day...

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#29 LoRising
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would you have done this if bioshock scored higher? dont crybaronOdoom

i would have, and it still got a reat score

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#30 judas-savior
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I really think people are making a bigger deal out of this than it really needs to be. First of all, the main reason people are complaining now is because of the Bioshock review, because people these days have no self-confidence in their own spending and need everyone to say a game is an 11/10 or something.

But as far as the current system of rating, I dont think most people realize how much better it is. Like many people complain about on these forums, game reviews are another persons general opinion of a game (even if the review is done by 50 other people, it still is just their collective opinions.) Thus it is very difficult and actually innacurate to try and rate a game on a .1 scale because some aspects of a game as subjective to the player. For example, some gamers might really ejoy something, and thus give it a .8, but that same thing might not apply to someone else, and they might give it a .6, but its all based on opinions. So by having a .5 scale between ratings, it allows space for an opinion to be formed by THE GAMER. (yes, YOU have to have you OWN OPINION!!!) If a game gets a racing game gets an 7.5, but you know that you really love racing games, then you may need to apply that in you head to the score and realize that to you the game might be an 8.0.

Honestly, I think people are getting all upset NOT because of the review themselves, but just because of what the point value end of being and what that looks like to other people. These type of people don't care about whether a game is good or not, but they just want to say that one game is somehow better than another (hence all of the "Game A vs Game B" and "Game C or Game D" threads in these forums.) Who cares if one game gets a 9.0 and another gets a 9.5? They both are Great Games that you should atleast try if they are your taste....but its not about that apparently, its all about what everyone else thinks (from what board members are saying). However, I would say that if you can't make your OWN decision about what games your like or dislike, then you don't need to be playing videogames at all. Maybe you are not yet ready to make an educated decision of what fun and good is.

Finally, I hope you all realize that Gamespot allows YOU to review the games as well, so that anyone who may not think the way that any editor reviews a game is accurate, they can always read other reviews as well. Now I know the common response to that is something like "But they are professional editors and I dont want to trust a review by just some random person". And to that I say, exactly, they are PROFESSIONALS, and you most likely are not, so let them do what they are good at, and you do what you are good at. Good Day...

Tmills_basic

Nicely Said =)

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#31 marcuskickass
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i doesnt make sense to make such a radical change to a rating system which i didnt think was that bad...With the new system they are not as accurate with their scores ,and yeah i prefer the old system to this new 1
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#32 FlashCharge
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If one does their reading of the reviews by the critics than Gamespot seems the toughest on Bioshock. Every critic reviewuse the same rating system it appeared. Six of those game BS a ten, but we all know that there are some shortcomings to the game that do not make it perfect. Maybe Gamespot is all that bad in comparison to the others. Numbers are numbers and in the end the gamer is really the true genius of the game's value.
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#33 Cedric169
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Hi Everyone,

After getting a good gist of the new rating system I felt it was time someone put up a petition to have gamespot change the current rating system back to the old one or to create a new hybrid between old and new because I feel that the new system is limiting gamspot ability to review acurately and bringing them below par in comparism to other gaming sites. This petition is not due to any reviews in particular or related to any of the reviewers abilities because I think Jeff is more than capable and is generally on the ball but restricting the rating to be stuck within a 0.5 - 1.0 bracket is just not going to work and I think alot of people will be taking gamespots reviews alot less seriously because in comparism to other sites they will either seem that they are under-rating games or over-rating them.

Please sign the petition to have it changed or vote in the poll so Gamespot can see what its users think as in all reality thier job exists for us the gaming community and I feel we the right to have a say and let them know what we think and in return I know all the gamespot staff are awesome and would be more than happy to hear our views.

Thankyou Everyone!

judas-savior
the new system is just fine... u won't haven't done this thread if bioshock receive a 9.6 or something higher stop crying... I don't wanna see this forums when gamespot put a 9 on halo 3...
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#35 _MURS_
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I don't get the "comparision" problem, does this have to be a competition all the time ? What matters is the text, the written speech, the review itself!

The new system is way better, much more professional. Less kidish. Most of the more mature oriented video-games sites/publications use this method, or even without decimals.

Just read the text.

miiiguel

This new system is less "kiddish"????

So the old system where they had rating for all the aspects of a game...graphic, sound, gameplay, control etc. And had a precise score based on a system is more "kiddish" then... having a dumbed down rating system where they just round to a score and instead of componant scores they use buttons called "Oh Snap" ???

Was that a serious statement??

Old system was a ton better than this new system and I dont even use this site for reviews anymore..

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#36 OfficialBed
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would you have done this if bioshock scored higher? dont crybaronOdoom

lol..so true
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New system is way-too confusing.
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#38 Radiozo
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New system is way-too confusing.Hell_Dude

Really? Its a lot easier than the old one. I would be even better if the had 1-5 scale imho.

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#39 vermouth81
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In all honesty I hate the new system and I hate th old system. Gamespot's underlying philosophy of viewing game reviews as product reviews which aim to answer is this the right game for me, honestly are remarkably unfufilling as is at all possible. It's ultimately not really necessary to answer that question as their is so much information out on the internet outside of traditional reviews that it's simply not necessary to read a formalistic review; playable demos on consoles were really the final nail in the coffin, for a gamespot style product-style review. Where reviews can be really great is when they transcend being information you need and become information you want to consume--which can be done by being more art criticism rather than product evaluation. I also know that there is a perfectly valid counter-argument that product evaluation appeals to a lot of people who aren't constantly plugged into podcasts and blogs and sites and want just a simple check to see like is this game good and Gamespot would and has said their reviews are aimed at that more than for people who already know what they think about a game. For me personally either scoring system is broken. Any numerical system which bases itself on the reviewing system of objective truths about the quality of a game and trying to like trying to build a house on quicksand.
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#40 b11051973
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I hate videogame petitions. This might be the lamest one yet.

I had no idea Gamespot changed the way they reviewed. I don't know why anyone would even care.