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#1 jdknight21
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This was an amazing game and from the Wednesday before emergence day until the holidays I played the game strong sometimes playing until 4 a.m. on work nights.  When it was first released, sure the community had the usual drinkers and smokers, but the smack talking was here and there and the community wasn't too obnoxious for a month and a half.  No one ever even cited lag and even though I didn't have the best connection and never hosted games, I never noticed it being an issue.

After the holidays died down and I had time to play the game again was around the same time as the update.  The first 2 days of the update were every 3 or 4 games there was a connection error.  Since then I've started to see some really odd things.  I've seen myself melee numerous people and show the hit animation but the person never stumbled, I've seen downed players getting clips unloaded into them only to stay downed and not die until a person switches a weapon.  I've seen people shoot someone 3-4 times with a shotty up close only to see themselves get one shot killed.  I've seen a spike in the roadie run glitch but it has simmered down some, and 1 case of a guy coming through a wall to take someone out.

Add all of this on top of the ever depreciating quality of the on-line community of ranked matches (i.e. young high pitched voices whining about chainsaws or grenade tags, G-units (not a color thing) that when they talk it's the equivalent of them basically trying to convince you that theirs is bigger than yours and they'll stomp you, and F* bombs bursting in air).  This all is sprinkled heavily onto a "there is so much host lag" sandwich.  In which this case I can't argue with that after what I've seen, this game for seemingly running so fluid, is just a facade.  This game has the worst lag of any I've played yet.

I say that, because when you play another on-line games, everyone usually shares the lag.  You can hear chatter that everyone acknowledges lag, the screen stutters and it's a given.  This game tries to cover it up, but when sniping or up close, it really rears it's ugly head.  I don't know the exact name of it, but I know that CS uses a server re-loop system and I believe this game is in dire need of it.  Because with CS, what you see on your screen is what you shoot, which is why in games that use the re-loop to show the server what your screen saw it reflects that.  Which is why in some games, if you run past a doorway, make it past, but suddenly/unexpectedly die, it is because someone was actually shooting you when you ran by that doorway.

It is really unfortunate, because I was pretty sure up until a few weeks ago, that Gears would actually be one of those rare on-line games that I would stick with and play like people have with Halo through the years.  After reading some of Cliffy B's interviews it seems like not much is going to be done about it except they are going to nerf the frag tag even more, and maybe add a new game mode or two through DLC on Live.  It's unfortunate that I will never bother to try those game modes because unless I host a game, it is just not playable.  After you've dropped enough time into to really see how flawed it is.

On top of all this, I knew when I sniped a guy in the face and they kept running, and then I meleed a guy 4 times, even seeing the stumble animation this time, only to see him still meleeing, and I get downed by 1 melee w/o ever even going through a stumble animation, that my hopes for this game have pretty much lost.  It's cool if you congratulate your teammates, but when you know the host is on your team, why talk smack?  You can't lead a person because if a person zig zags or dives, you don't truly see it until a second later, so you are always shooting ahead or behind unless a person just runs straight at you.

It's been a sad realization for me that this is just the way the game is going to stay.  Anyone else feel the same about any of these issues or feel the same and moving on?  Sorry for the vent, it just sucks seeing what was great MP go down the drain.

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#2 Raidea
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I love Gears, it's a great game. But the lag is really getting to me.

My internet connection isn't the best, but I have days where I can hit everything with the shotgun, and days where I know I'm hitting everything...but nothing is registering.

I just wish they would fix the lag to be honest, then the online would be great. It's hard being English and playing with American hosts.
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#3 Comorat
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The reason I stopped playing Halo 2 *points to first post*
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#4 SpartanMonk
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Lol, I've played this a lot too. I hardly ever see lag, or glitches, and I don't even have that good a connection. Maybe Marcus just doesn't like you.
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#5 Cellien
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I definitely have experienced a wealth of issues.. but none related to lag. Maybe your guys connection is now becoming a problem with so many other people online that have bad connections.
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#6 cookendorfernic
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This is a very well thought out, very well explained, and detailed post. However, after reading it, this sort of activity applies to every FPS online game ever. Waste of time in my opinion.
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#7 Raidea
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I find it hard to believe there are people without lag there, considering the amount I get.

I'll give you an example. I was using the Sniper today in Mansion, a guy fired the boomshot at me, which missed, and a second later I took aim and shot an active reload shot straight at him, didn't hit him, but downed the guy who came up the stairs beind him half a second later!

Stuff like that is just annoying. How can you play a twitch shooter when your lagging a second behind?

In contrast, I hosted a game, and was virtually unkillable. It's rediculous how much the game changes.
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#8 Cellien
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I find it hard to believe there are people without lag there, considering the amount I get.

I'll give you an example. I was using the Sniper today in Mansion, a guy fired the boomshot at me, which missed, and a second later I took aim and shot an active reload shot straight at him, didn't hit him, but downed the guy who came up the stairs beind him half a second later!

Stuff like that is just annoying. How can you play a twitch shooter when your lagging a second behind?

In contrast, I hosted a game, and was virtually unkillable. It's rediculous how much the game changes.
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If you have that many issues, it seriously sounds like you do have a connection problem. I played forever and never had one lag issue, but like I said above, I experienced other issues.
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#9 Raidea
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If you have that many issues, it seriously sounds like you do have a connection problem. I played forever and never had one lag issue, but like I said above, I experienced other issues.Cellien


Well, as I said I'm English playing with American hosts most of the time. Also, I have a shared wired connection...

Come to think of it, it's pretty obvious why I have such bad lag!
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#10 cookendorfernic
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[QUOTE="Cellien"]If you have that many issues, it seriously sounds like you do have a connection problem. I played forever and never had one lag issue, but like I said above, I experienced other issues.Raidea


Well, as I said I'm English playing with American hosts most of the time. Also, I have a shared wired connection...

Come to think of it, it's pretty obvious why I have such bad lag!

Move to the United States Joe. Or just stop downloading while playin xbox.
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#11 TheCrazed420
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I agree completely. Thats why I'm slowly gravitating to Vegas.
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#12 frankeyser
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i only get lag now and then.  most of the poeple i play with have a great connection.. but there are two people on my freinds list that when they join i get a little lag now and then.

most times it is not an issue though.

as for everything else.  i play with poeple off my friends list.  so we bad mouth on another and we are ok with it because we are buddies.

also you need to re read that article with cliffy b as you missed that he said they already nerfed the grenade tag.  not that they were going to do it more.  the only thing i think that needs to be worked on is the chainsaw.  when soemone is right in front of you... you fire into their chest... and some how they still chainsaw you... that is the only aspect of the game that annoys me at all when my ping is so far off that it does not register my bullets before they chainsaw me.

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#13 branketra
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Yeah, the online is getting worse. That's why I stick to my friends list. Ranked matches usually have quitters or a few relaxed players, but other than that...i've just been playing against a bunch of whiny kids.
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#14 kyle_toker
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i didnt get gears until xmas, and i always try to beat the campaign before i go online.. so by the time i beat gears and went online i only played for a short period of time before the update.  so basically i never got to play gears online while it was good
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#15 rockydog1111
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Gears started strong, but now I must agree with some of the issues. For the gamers, I only play with people on my list of preffered players. If those kids come in talkin all crazy, we boot em and invite more friends. They do need to do another patch though. The host Shotgun is rediculious.
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#16 Arsenal140
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Have no fear because i read in an interview with Cliff B that they are getting one all mighty patch ready that will fix most of the issues and have new modes or mabye even new weponds. I still love gears even with the issues. they are few and far between with me and i think it is a lot better than RB6 online.
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#17 ReckHavoc
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I barely ever receive any lag, so as everyone else is saying.. it's a connection problem on your end, just try another server.
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#18 StalwartXX
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I love this game online and I've not noticed much lag since I got an update for it. There are the odd spikes but nothing major

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#19 gamer4life85
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  • I never get any other lag in my other games but when playing gears it gets pretty bad.
  • This game has too many glitches
  • They make host to good Host shotguns must shoot like an extra 10 ft and add like 10% more damage when im not host I get like 20 kills when host like 50(playing 19 rounds)
  • The game is starting to get to many little winey kids.

If you can stand losing don't play the F***ing game I also don't want to hear How I should of died and u were aiming for the head and crap. If you were I prob would be dead then wouldn't I.

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#20 -Y2J-
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this is clearly a connection error. once i was sniping a guy in the face on the canals map about 3 times. but nothing happened.he fired the torque bow at me and after 3 minutes while finding the guy i exploded due to torque bow. it was my connection, and i sorted it out and now it runs fine.
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#21 death1505921
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Aye, i agree, and the fact you can't play online in ranked with your buddies is anoying. LP is much better online IMO.
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#22 jdknight21
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See this is my issue with the people saying it is a connection issue.  I stream 8.5-11 MBs consistently.  It seems like the issue is the game is now shared out between everyone.
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#23 NextGen86
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Even with all of its problems, I still believe that Gears has the best online experience. Personally, I don't get that much lag since I have a pretty good connection. I tried playing R6V online yesterday and honestly, I was disgusted. Looking at those graphics just made me want to go back to Gears.
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#24 yermomsboxx
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Well put. I agree; it's why I'm playing Oblivion now.
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#25 jdknight21
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This is a very well thought out, very well explained, and detailed post. However, after reading it, this sort of activity applies to every FPS online game ever. Waste of time in my opinion.cookendorfernic

I was just venting, but thanks for the support.  It does apply to every FPS, but not at this rate.  I have only had 2 issues with the community on R6: V.  That's pretty impressive since I've been transitioning to it over the past 2 weeks.  Only 2 negative players in 2 weeks.

I understand there is a bit of host lag in every game.  But rarely is it ever noticeable.  Just as an example, the whole week after the update, I could guess who had host just through watching gameplay if I did get killed in the match.  For a few nights I could simply ask 1 person (not whine, nag or run down the list asking) "hey _______ are you host" and when the person did have a mic I was finding that I was getting 9/10 guesses right.

I love the game, it just isn't currently playable for me.  So I'm anxiously awaiting a patch. 

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#26 dreamscott
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See this is my issue with the people saying it is a connection issue.  I stream 8.5-11 MBs consistently.  It seems like the issue is the game is now shared out between everyone.jdknight21

Yeah, but what is your UPSTREAM??? That is the most important one. You might need some new cables and a new splitter dude.. I gave up on GOW months ago. I play Vegas now.

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#27 jdknight21
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Even with all of its problems, I still believe that Gears has the best online experience. Personally, I don't get that much lag since I have a pretty good connection. I tried playing R6V online yesterday and honestly, I was disgusted. Looking at those graphics just made me want to go back to Gears.NextGen86

R6: V has it's issues, but what I appreciate is that everyone sees the lag.  When I play R6: V everyone else on the mic states they have lag so you aren't getting half of the people on one side and the other half feeling they are just complaining.  There is no lying in R6: V even though the lag in some matches forces the game to close or you to quit (love it when a rifle sound gets stuck and keeps replaying).  You have to boot anyone that has a red dot, and can't really try to get full 14 player matches, which shouldn't be the case. 

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#28 jdknight21
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[QUOTE="jdknight21"]See this is my issue with the people saying it is a connection issue.  I stream 8.5-11 MBs consistently.  It seems like the issue is the game is now shared out between everyone.dreamscott

Yeah, but what is your UPSTREAM??? That is the most important one. You might need some new cables and a new splitter dude.. I gave up on GOW months ago. I play Vegas now.

I average good couple MB upstreams.  I looked at it wrong at first glance.  I average around 2 MBs and can on occasion get up to 3, very very rarely 5.

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I played this game online several times before the patch, then went away for about a month on vacation. Came back, downloaded the update and the game is simply a mess of lag and latency... I have a very strong connection and have no problems with any other 360 game. But this is too much. I stopped playing it recently... nerf the tags... BAH, nerf the update. We need a rollback, Cliffy B. Admit your mistakes and move on... we'll respect you more for having the guts to say it.

And yes, it seems the quality of the community has gone down hill. It terrifies me to think that some of these people vote... or in the case of the kids (who shouldn't even be effing PLAYING the game), that their parents do.

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#30 dreamscott
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How could that really be possible.. I thought the downstream is always faster than the upstream. I am running between 9 - 12 Mbps for my Downstream and between 1 - 2 Mbps on my Upstream. I havenever had any lag on any game when I host and people always tell me I have an amazing host. I recenlty bought all new cables and a new splitter, you might want to try that man.
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#31 jdknight21
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How could that really be possible.. I thought the downstream is always faster than the upstream. I am running between 9 - 12 Mbps for my Downstream and between 1 - 2 Mbps on my Upstream. I havenever had any lag on any game when I host and people always tell me I have an amazing host. I recenlty bought all new cables and a new splitter, you might want to try that man.dreamscott

I had it wrong.  I average 2 Mbps.  On ocassion it dips to 1 but on ocassion it gets up to 3 (very very rarely 5).  I just moved and it is new stuff.  This is actually the best connection (still no VIOS) I've ever used and don't have any problems in any other games that aren't brought down by people with slower connections.

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This was an amazing game and from the Wednesday before emergence day until the holidays I played the game strong sometimes playing until 4 a.m. on work nights. When it was first released, sure the community had the usual drinkers and smokers, but the smack talking was here and there and the community wasn't too obnoxious for a month and a half. No one ever even cited lag and even though I didn't have the best connection and never hosted games, I never noticed it being an issue.

After the holidays died down and I had time to play the game again was around the same time as the update. The first 2 days of the update were every 3 or 4 games there was a connection error. Since then I've started to see some really odd things. I've seen myself melee numerous people and show the hit animation but the person never stumbled, I've seen downed players getting clips unloaded into them only to stay downed and not die until a person switches a weapon. I've seen people shoot someone 3-4 times with a shotty up close only to see themselves get one shot killed. I've seen a spike in the roadie run glitch but it has simmered down some, and 1 case of a guy coming through a wall to take someone out.

Add all of this on top of the ever depreciating quality of the on-line community of ranked matches (i.e. young high pitched voices whining about chainsaws or grenade tags, G-units (not a color thing) that when they talk it's the equivalent of them basically trying to convince you that theirs is bigger than yours and they'll stomp you, and F* bombs bursting in air). This all is sprinkled heavily onto a "there is so much host lag" sandwich. In which this case I can't argue with that after what I've seen, this game for seemingly running so fluid, is just a facade. This game has the worst lag of any I've played yet.

I say that, because when you play another on-line games, everyone usually shares the lag. You can hear chatter that everyone acknowledges lag, the screen stutters and it's a given. This game tries to cover it up, but when sniping or up close, it really rears it's ugly head. I don't know the exact name of it, but I know that CS uses a server re-loop system and I believe this game is in dire need of it. Because with CS, what you see on your screen is what you shoot, which is why in games that use the re-loop to show the server what your screen saw it reflects that. Which is why in some games, if you run past a doorway, make it past, but suddenly/unexpectedly die, it is because someone was actually shooting you when you ran by that doorway.

It is really unfortunate, because I was pretty sure up until a few weeks ago, that Gears would actually be one of those rare on-line games that I would stick with and play like people have with Halo through the years. After reading some of Cliffy B's interviews it seems like not much is going to be done about it except they are going to nerf the frag tag even more, and maybe add a new game mode or two through DLC on Live. It's unfortunate that I will never bother to try those game modes because unless I host a game, it is just not playable. After you've dropped enough time into to really see how flawed it is.

On top of all this, I knew when I sniped a guy in the face and they kept running, and then I meleed a guy 4 times, even seeing the stumble animation this time, only to see him still meleeing, and I get downed by 1 melee w/o ever even going through a stumble animation, that my hopes for this game have pretty much lost. It's cool if you congratulate your teammates, but when you know the host is on your team, why talk smack? You can't lead a person because if a person zig zags or dives, you don't truly see it until a second later, so you are always shooting ahead or behind unless a person just runs straight at you.

It's been a sad realization for me that this is just the way the game is going to stay. Anyone else feel the same about any of these issues or feel the same and moving on? Sorry for the vent, it just sucks seeing what was great MP go down the drain.

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#33 tenorio_rotc
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I think the lag issue with you is that the patch seems to have become more strict on latency and people with slower connections might have problems as you have already admitted.  As for the gameplay, yeah, they somehow managed to ruin it, either glitches or intetionally because I have unloaded clips on people without them getting hurt.
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#34 MyopicCanadian
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I've been playing a lot of Gears... perhaps not as much as you, but I have hardly ever experienced any BS lag moments that you point out repeatedly in your post. I have other issues with the game that stops me from playing it all the time, but those are gameplay-related. To say it's "going down the drain" is a farce... there are always lots of people online and having fun playing the game. If you're experiencing problems, that sucks, but I don't think the multiplayer is going downhill at all.
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#35 jdknight21
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I've been playing a lot of Gears... perhaps not as much as you, but I have hardly ever experienced any BS lag moments that you point out repeatedly in your post. I have other issues with the game that stops me from playing it all the time, but those are gameplay-related. To say it's "going down the drain" is a farce... there are always lots of people online and having fun playing the game. If you're experiencing problems, that sucks, but I don't think the multiplayer is going downhill at all.MyopicCanadian

I didn't say it was 'going down the drain'.  I just asked the question.  The lag moments seem to be happening at a more frequent rate.  Just FYI, when I sit down to play I play 3-4 hours on average.  So this is why I may have observed or came across more of these glitch or lag moments.

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#36 woodyhou
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I second that.  That is why I stopped playing halo 2 as well.
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#37 Piaras007
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Look, if your 'internet connection isn't the best' then you will get lag, simple as that. I have a good connection, I never get lag, but I also never host games. So, my point is, good connection = no lag
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#38 secondomen
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My DSL connection is fast...but its fast for DLing only. My upload speed is crap...and I host every game. I hear all the same complaints no matter where or how I play tho. I dont even use headsets any more bcuz the random persons never ever have anything good to say in game. I used my headset to work on keeping my team organized...but most use it to exclaim how he had that guy and if it wasnt for lag or lack of back up that got him killed. If u dont like the lag u get from others servers, host ur own...if u dont like what ppl have to say, unplug ur headset...if u still dont like the game then wtf r u doing, move on
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#39 V4LENT1NE
Member since 2006 • 12901 Posts
I hate the host advantage and having to lead sniper shots, Halo has been out for years and that handles 16 with no major lag trouble or leading.
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#40 mazdero
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The only complaint I have about Gears at the moment, is the stupid Host advantage. The host is too damn strong.
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#41 V4LENT1NE
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Look, if your 'internet connection isn't the best' then you will get lag, simple as that. I have a good connection, I never get lag, but I also never host games. So, my point is, good connection = no lagPiaras007

Every game played over live has lag, there is no such thing as no lag, you will still have a nice little host advantage and peoples bullets in your room will not land instantly, fact.
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#42 HoUsE_WrEcKeR
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I rarely ever have any of those problems, i lag a very little but is average around 15 kill s game on 15 rounds without being host so its kool But.. their was this 1 time when i got shot point blank witha bowgun and the bullet was in me burning and didnt go off for like 20 seconds i got to kill 2 ppl before it went off (1 shotty and other was bowgun guy who commited suicide when i blew up)
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#43 Dolacide
Member since 2006 • 1758 Posts
Another topic like this, I get lag once in awhile, I get whiners and jerks once in awhile, playing daily 4-6 hours, once in a while is not bad at all.
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#44 TrustCo1971
Member since 2006 • 1721 Posts
Very overhyped game and people realized that quickly. I bought it the day it came out. Beat the story mode, played it online maybe 3 times.....Hated it...and never play it anymore...Just nothing to it...
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#45 Piaras007
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[QUOTE="Piaras007"]Look, if your 'internet connection isn't the best' then you will get lag, simple as that. I have a good connection, I never get lag, but I also never host games. So, my point is, good connection = no lagV4LENT1NE

Every game played over live has lag, there is no such thing as no lag, you will still have a nice little host advantage and peoples bullets in your room will not land instantly, fact.


No 'I' will not have host advantage cuz like I said I never host games (something to do with my firewall settings, or some stupid nerdy internet thingy anyway)
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#46 Raidea
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Very overhyped game and people realized that quickly. I bought it the day it came out. Beat the story mode, played it online maybe 3 times.....Hated it...and never play it anymore...Just nothing to it...TrustCo1971


Gave it a big chance then... :roll:
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#47 jdknight21
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I played for 2 months and had lag yes, we all had lag, but it wasn't so noticeable and you can't really adjust to it when you are always a second behind because you never truly see if a person is zig zagging or if you are leading them right.  Just FYI, my upload speed was clocking in at 5 Mbps last night.  I just moved and during the first 2 months of release I was playing on a more unstable network that hung around 1-2 Mbps w/o any problems.

Every game has lag, but not this bad on a regular basis.  Up until a few weeks ago, I was thinking that this would be one of those rare games I would play for months and months.  It's still AAA to me and is an amazing game, it is just disappointing when you take a game that the only thing the community complained about was frag tags, but we easily knew a shotty took care of it, and then give the community a whole new set of issues via update.  IMO if you have any sense of what you are doing with a thumbstick, the frag tags haven't really even been nerfed.

I compare this change to playing something like Tribes for 2 months, and then hypothetically Tribes 2 is released 2 months later and it just has a completely different feel to it, and some of you know how that went.  Believe me I would love for an update to come out soon that makes me eat my words and come right back to the game.

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#48 V4LENT1NE
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[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="Piaras007"]Look, if your 'internet connection isn't the best' then you will get lag, simple as that. I have a good connection, I never get lag, but I also never host games. So, my point is, good connection = no lagPiaras007

Every game played over live has lag, there is no such thing as no lag, you will still have a nice little host advantage and peoples bullets in your room will not land instantly, fact.


No 'I' will not have host advantage cuz like I said I never host games (something to do with my firewall settings, or some stupid nerdy internet thingy anyway)


Well if you arent hosting, you are lagging.
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#49 mother_farter
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exactly!! thank you for making this post. its called server side hit detection and thats what gearsservers are running. what they need to do is change it to client side hit detection which is thehit detection you see in call ofduty or halo..this wa you dont have to do any leading with your sniper shots andyour shots will come out ofyour gun as soonas you shoot them like they should. sure i know every game has lag and that there isa little host advantage in every game but in GOW it stands out more than any othergame i have ever played.

its made me realize that if your host then you basically have the game in the bag. i can destroy the whole other oppossing team bymyself easily with host. especially the shotgun which is majorly cheap. when your host you pull off all these impossible shots with the shotung..like every other time i kill someone i get a headshot wit the shotgun..im pretty sure thats not supossed to happen.

its apparent that host advantage exsist and that it really needs to be patches with another kind of hit detection because i really dont enjoy playing the game unless im host. i do join my friends rooms from time to time but it only frustrated me because i know how everyone else feels when they get killed by the host shotty ever single time.

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#50 death1505921
Member since 2004 • 5260 Posts
Online is pure crap, first time i've played since patch. Ruined.