Halo Wars review inconsistencies!

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#1 kyle756
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Anyone else here notice how Gamespot's seeming praise during the Halo Wars Marathon didn't match with the oppinions of the Video review done by the Uk branch. Very contradictory if you ask me.

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#2 UT_Wrestler
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Remember, a review is just one person's opinion. It doesn't mean everyone that works for a publication feels the exact same way. That would be like saying that because some white guy hates black people, then all white guys hate black people.
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#3 kyle756
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sure, but what I meant to say was that I have never seen Gamespot use the UK branch's reviews before, I mean don't the UK gamespot have their own website with it's own reviews?

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#4 UT_Wrestler
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Gamespot's U.S. staff isn't nearly as large as it used to be, which is why a lot of game reviews have come out late, and reviews for some of the more obscure games haven't been coming out at all. They're probably consolidating their human resources in order to review more games in a timely manner. Besides, there's usually not much difference between the US and UK as far as release dates and what not.
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#5 OfficialBed
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Remember, a review is just one person's opinion. It doesn't mean everyone that works for a publication feels the exact same way. That would be like saying that because some white guy hates black people, then all white guys hate black people.UT_Wrestler

Exactly. I feel the same way. It's a shame others don't realize a review is just an opinion.

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#6 Atomic_Bacon
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Lots of people love to hate the Halo series. Get someone who has never heard of Halo before to do a review.
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#7 UT_Wrestler
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Lots of people love to hate the Halo series. Get someone who has never heard of Halo before to do a review.Atomic_Bacon
Lol that would require the review to be done by someone who really isn't a gamer. The guy who reviewed it isn't a halo hater, his review was based on how it stacks up to current rts games on the market. If you take the same gameplay but take the halo universe out of it, most people wouldn't have given a damn about it.
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#8 ace070590
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A review is someone's opinion sure. However, in the review, he made Halo Wars sound as if it were fun, but then he presented MINOR issues, like having no flood class, and therefore the game deserved a 6.5 . . . sometimes there's a difference between opinion and just being wrong, lol. In this case, Gamespot was WRONG.

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#9 UT_Wrestler
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A review is someone's opinion sure. However, in the review, he made Halo Wars sound as if it were fun, but then he presented MINOR issues, like having no flood class, and therefore the game deserved a 6.5 . . . sometimes there's a difference between opinion and just being wrong, lol. In this case, Gamespot was WRONG.

ace070590
Opinions can be neither right nor wrong. I think he was pretty clear on his problems with the game; it has nowhere near the depth or wealth of options that the best modern RTS games have. Now if you don't think that deserves so many points knocked off, that's fine, but to him, being a pc rts veteran, those are major issues.
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#10 ace070590
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[QUOTE="Atomic_Bacon"]Lots of people love to hate the Halo series. Get someone who has never heard of Halo before to do a review.UT_Wrestler
Lol that would require the review to be done by someone who really isn't a gamer. The guy who reviewed it isn't a halo hater, his review was based on how it stacks up to current rts games on the market. If you take the same gameplay but take the halo universe out of it, most people wouldn't have given a damn about it.

It is true that if you took the gameplay element and set it in something else it might not be that popular. However, if Ensemble can take that element an implement Halo music, Halo environments, characters, etc, and make the game more appealing, then there's nothing wrong with that. The reviewer, in this case, shouldn't just say oh well this game is bad simply because it's not like PC RTS's . . . the reviewer should recognize that Ensemble took a popular franchise, made it RTS, had good controls, great music, some of the best cutscenes, and fun co-op mode.

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#11 ace070590
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[QUOTE="ace070590"]

A review is someone's opinion sure. However, in the review, he made Halo Wars sound as if it were fun, but then he presented MINOR issues, like having no flood class, and therefore the game deserved a 6.5 . . . sometimes there's a difference between opinion and just being wrong, lol. In this case, Gamespot was WRONG.

UT_Wrestler

Opinions can be neither right nor wrong. I think he was pretty clear on his problems with the game; it has nowhere near the depth or wealth of options that the best modern RTS games have. Now if you don't think that deserves so many points knocked off, that's fine, but to him, being a pc rts veteran, those are major issues.

True, opinion can be neither right nor wrong until proven wrong . . . I think I proved him wrong.

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#12 twobad4u
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I don't even pay attention to Gamespot reviews anymore. They're so contridictory and inconsistent anymore .

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#13 Zinimus
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A review is someone's opinion sure. However, in the review, he made Halo Wars sound as if it were fun, but then he presented MINOR issues, like having no flood class, and therefore the game deserved a 6.5 . . . sometimes there's a difference between opinion and just being wrong, lol. In this case, Gamespot was WRONG.

ace070590

That's why they have a "Critics Score" link. That way you can see what all the other reviewers think. Typically, they're all pretty much in line with each other, though for this one they do seem a bit outta line.......

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#14 UT_Wrestler
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Giving a game extra points just for being based on a popular intellectual property would be VERY unprofessional. Look at the DBZ budokai games, yeah sure they do a great job of recreating the art style and feel of a popular animated series, but they just don't stack up well when the gameplay is compared side-by-side to some of the best fighting games. Halo Wars is no different, sure it does a great job of crossing Halo over into another genre, but that doesn't change the fact that is doesn't have near the depth of some of the best rts games, which include some of Ensemble's OWN previous works.
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#15 UT_Wrestler
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[QUOTE="ace070590"]

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="ace070590"]

A review is someone's opinion sure. However, in the review, he made Halo Wars sound as if it were fun, but then he presented MINOR issues, like having no flood class, and therefore the game deserved a 6.5 . . . sometimes there's a difference between opinion and just being wrong, lol. In this case, Gamespot was WRONG.

Opinions can be neither right nor wrong. I think he was pretty clear on his problems with the game; it has nowhere near the depth or wealth of options that the best modern RTS games have. Now if you don't think that deserves so many points knocked off, that's fine, but to him, being a pc rts veteran, those are major issues.

True, opinion can be neither right nor wrong until proven wrong . . . I think I proved him wrong.

Actually no, you didn't. All you've proven is that you still don't understand the difference between a fact and an opinion.
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#16 Palantas
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I see the "Reviews are just opinions!" brigade has found this topic. Next we'll have the "Are you saying he's not allowed to have an opinion??" crew descend to spread their peculiar brand of thinking.

I didn't watch the gameplay marathon. If they did gush all over it in that, but then gave it a 6.5 in its review...I don't think that really "proves" anything. A 6.5 is not "bad." I do think GameSpot or any reviewing site should be editorially consistent, but having fun playing a game and giving it a 6.5/10 aren't mutually exclusive.

Or if you prefer this:

"Reviews are just opinions!!11!!oneone!! /thread
Wow! That just solves everything! I'm going to go post this on every topic where reviews are mentioned!
"

:roll:

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#17 UT_Wrestler
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[QUOTE="Palantas"]

I see the "Reviews are just opinions!" brigade has found this topic. Next we'll have the "Are you saying he's not allowed to have an opinion??" crew descend to spread their peculiar brand of thinking.

I didn't watch the gameplay marathon. If they did gush all over it in that, but then gave it a 6.5 in its review...I don't think that really "proves" anything. A 6.5 is not "bad." I do think GameSpot or any reviewing site should be editorially consistent, but having fun playing a game and giving it a 6.5/10 aren't mutually exclusive.

Or if you prefer this:

"Reviews are just opinions!!11!!oneone!! /thread
Wow! That just solves everything! I'm going to go post this on every topic where reviews are mentioned!
"

:roll:

A game can be fun to play and still get a mediocre review score if it lacks replay value. Checkers can be fun to play, but it doesn't have the depth or lasting value of chess, so when I compare them side-by-side I'd give chess much more favorable reviews. Comparing Halo Wars to a game, like, say, World in Conflict, is pretty much like comparing checkers to chess.
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#18 Palantas
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I agree, and I think that's a good analogy.

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#19 fbidog
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To every people a diffirent opinion....That's all

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#20 Stevie_Q
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I don't even pay attention to Gamespot reviews anymore. They're so contridictory and inconsistent anymore .

twobad4u
Ditto. Sometimes it seems like they're being controversial for the sake of being controversial.
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God forbid anything halo related can get a bad score.
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#22 GodLovesDead
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A review is someone's opinion sure. However, in the review, he made Halo Wars sound as if it were fun, but then he presented MINOR issues, like having no flood class, and therefore the game deserved a 6.5 . . . sometimes there's a difference between opinion and just being wrong, lol. In this case, Gamespot was WRONG.

ace070590
You guys underestimate a 6.5. It's fun if you like Halo - that's going to be a given. It's not like it got a 1.0. It's just deemed a below average game for people who aren't fans of Halo.
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]Remember, a review is just one person's opinion. It doesn't mean everyone that works for a publication feels the exact same way. That would be like saying that because some white guy hates black people, then all white guys hate black people.OfficialBed

Exactly. I feel the same way. It's a shame others don't realize a review is just an opinion.

I do, can I have a cookie? Either way. Halo Wars was a decent game. Good even. But I still only put it in my 7-8 range. Actually, a solid eight. There was things I didn't care for and things I did. One of my sillier issues was the game looked nice, why couldn't I get all the way down to the action? I felt like the lack of really interesting camera angles would end up making the game less awesome if I found a problem with it in the demo alone.
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#24 phynixblack
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God forbid anything halo related can get a bad score.sharpshooter188
But....but...Mastur cheef are cewl gai !! He ken keel alienz and aren't afreid of nuthin!!!! (Dissing Halo3 these days is like dissing Twilight in a room full of Emo kids. Bound to make a scene but funny enough to do over and over.)
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I dont like halo for my own reasons. It just seemed like an average shooter if that. Halo 1 was my personal favorite but even that was meh compared to some other shooters that i have. Im not saying its dumb for people to like halo in general i just get tired of everyone being up in arms about how its the greatest game ever and defending it to their death.
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he hem, australian staff thank you very much
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God forbid anything halo related can get a bad score.sharpshooter188
god did forbid it, thats why we are all so shocked
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#28 UT_Wrestler
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[QUOTE="phynixblack"][QUOTE="OfficialBed"]

Remember, a review is just one person's opinion. It doesn't mean everyone that works for a publication feels the exact same way. That would be like saying that because some white guy hates black people, then all white guys hate black people.UT_Wrestler

Exactly. I feel the same way. It's a shame others don't realize a review is just an opinion.

I do, can I have a cookie? Either way. Halo Wars was a decent game. Good even. But I still only put it in my 7-8 range. Actually, a solid eight. There was things I didn't care for and things I did. One of my sillier issues was the game looked nice, why couldn't I get all the way down to the action? I felt like the lack of really interesting camera angles would end up making the game less awesome if I found a problem with it in the demo alone.

Well you'll be happy to know that most gaming publications had higher opinions of the game than gamespot.
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[QUOTE="OfficialBed"]

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]Remember, a review is just one person's opinion. It doesn't mean everyone that works for a publication feels the exact same way. That would be like saying that because some white guy hates black people, then all white guys hate black people.phynixblack

Exactly. I feel the same way. It's a shame others don't realize a review is just an opinion.

I do, can I have a cookie? Either way. Halo Wars was a decent game. Good even. But I still only put it in my 7-8 range. Actually, a solid eight. There was things I didn't care for and things I did. One of my sillier issues was the game looked nice, why couldn't I get all the way down to the action? I felt like the lack of really interesting camera angles would end up making the game less awesome if I found a problem with it in the demo alone.

If metacritic didn't have it around 82% it wouldn't have raised as much eyebrows.

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#30 kyle756
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Someone here made an analogy about checkers not having has much depth as chess, and Halo Wars not as much as World in Conflict. I thought World in Conflict didn't have any base building or resource gathering doesn't that make it as simple of an RTS as they come. Also the point of this forum wasn't about oppinions but about the inconsistancies exibited by people who arePAID to give insights into games which can in the long run kill or help a game.