Halo Wars: Why Shouldn't The Flood Be Playable

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#1 Atomic_Bacon
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I started a thread similar to this but every one started to talk about why the flood would conflict with the story line. I'm going to make this as clear as i possably can, THE FLOOD ARE IN HALO WARS BUT ONLY AS AN ENEMY IN THE CAMPAIGN MODE. Now the question i wanted to ask is, Why should we not be able to play AS the flood rather than just fighting them in the campaign mode. i think the Flood could be a good expansion to the multiplayer because it would give the player a more diverse option filled playing environment. So once again, DO YOU THINK THE FLOOD SHOULD BE A PLAYABLE RACE RATHER THAN JUST AN ENEMY YOU FIGHT IN THE CAMPAIGN?
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#2 iam2green
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yeah, i think it would be cool to play as flood. they won't have vehicles or anything but still cool. they would need a different type or something because other people would have guns and things.
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#3 vashkey
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It'd be harder to balance things out with a third race. Regardless the game is gold, no point in complaining now.
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it wouldnt make much sense. How would the Flood create units? The only way the flood spreads is by sending those small parasites and infecting living bodies, and frankly, it wouldn't make much sense to have them "create" units. How would the flood get supplies? and, their weapons would have to be UNSC and Covenant, because they do not have any unique weapons. They have no technology, their only goal is to infect and rise in numbers. The covenant and UNSC at least have a central command and have leaders like the Prophets or support like the spirit of fire. THe flood don't have their own vehicles as well, and that would only be a major imbalance in the game

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#5 mfacek
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Playing the flood woudn't be possible with the way the game is set up. They would have no means of creating units, gathering supplies, using vehicles, etc.
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#6 PAL360
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The flood woud be great! Something like the Zerg on starcraft
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#7 PAL360
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it wouldnt make much sense. How would the Flood create units? The only way the flood spreads is by sending those small parasites and infecting living bodies, and frankly, it wouldn't make much sense to have them "create" units. How would the flood get supplies? and, their weapons would have to be UNSC and Covenant, because they do not have any unique weapons. They have no technology, their only goal is to infect and rise in numbers. The covenant and UNSC at least have a central command and have leaders like the Prophets or support like the spirit of fire. THe flood don't have their own vehicles as well, and that would only be a major imbalance in the game

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Playing the flood woudn't be possible with the way the game is set up. They would have no means of creating units, gathering supplies, using vehicles, etc.mfacek
Havent you guys play starcraft? All the units, vehicles and bases can be creatures ;)
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#8 armyman455
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it wouldnt balance well, they dont have vehicles and maybe if they figured that stuff out (plus the whole story thing) maybe theyll add them in with dlc or when they make a sequel (because they WILL make a sequel there is ALWAYS a sequel
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#9 mfacek
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[QUOTE="cerealkiller8"]

it wouldnt make much sense. How would the Flood create units? The only way the flood spreads is by sending those small parasites and infecting living bodies, and frankly, it wouldn't make much sense to have them "create" units. How would the flood get supplies? and, their weapons would have to be UNSC and Covenant, because they do not have any unique weapons. They have no technology, their only goal is to infect and rise in numbers. The covenant and UNSC at least have a central command and have leaders like the Prophets or support like the spirit of fire. THe flood don't have their own vehicles as well, and that would only be a major imbalance in the game

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Playing the flood woudn't be possible with the way the game is set up. They would have no means of creating units, gathering supplies, using vehicles, etc.mfacek
Havent you guys play starcraft? All the units, vehicles and bases can be creatures ;)

Which would make no sense with the Halo lore. It may have worked for Starcraft, it wouldn't for Halo.
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#10 Don0van
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yea the flood should be playable i hate that you cant be them like its dumb how there like trying to say it could conflict stuff like no one cares we just want to have fun and having the flood playable would make the game soo much more fun cuz i mean 2 teams isnt really enough it could make the game kinda boring fast because theres not to much different you can do with 2 teams all the time at least 3 teams would give you more things to do when you play hopfully it will become like a downloadable content thing to be the flood
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yea the flood should be playable i hate that you cant be them like its dumb how there like trying to say it could conflict stuff like no one cares we just want to have fun and having the flood playable would make the game soo much more fun cuz i mean 2 teams isnt really enough it could make the game kinda boring fast because theres not to much different you can do with 2 teams all the time at least 3 teams would give you more things to do when you play hopfully it will become like a downloadable content thing to be the floodDon0van

the thing is, when someone plays a game called "Halo Wars" they expect a game related to Halo. And that means no flood riding a huge monster that chucks rocks at their enemies.

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yeah, i think it would be cool to play as flood. they won't have vehicles or anything but still cool. they would need a different type or something because other people would have guns and things.iam2green

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Anyone think Halo wars is alot like C&C Tiberium Wars.... ?
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#14 Foxtrot561
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Definately. It would be very fun to play them in skirmish mode or something. I'm dissapointed that they won't be playable.
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Anyone think Halo wars is alot like C&C Tiberium Wars.... ?ackr1TE
Not really. All strategy games are kind of the same. Halo Wars is structured much more for the casual strategy player, though.
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eI think you should have to capture the Flood's base. After that you can build flood turrets (the ones in H3) as well as a couple of Flood units. If you were to create a "mother" (or whatever they're called) you could transform dead enemy infantry into Flood units. I think it would be cool.
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eI think you should have to capture the Flood's base. After that you can build flood turrets (the ones in H3) as well as a couple of Flood units. If you were to create a "mother" (or whatever they're called) you could transform dead enemy infantry into Flood units. I think it would be cool.Hickamie14
See. lots of people think that Playable Flood would be good. As for the how do they get supplies problem I'm sure Ensemble could think of a way to make it work.
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Actually no I don't think they should have been playable. It just doesn't sound like a good idea and I think Ensemble/Bungie made the right choice.
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#19 MT_Dewer
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I'm not sure how well playing as the flood would work in halo wars. But playing as sentinels would be interesting.
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Hmmm. Never though of controling Sentinals or any of the forerunner Tech.
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I started a thread similar to this but every one started to talk about why the flood would conflict with the story line. I'm going to make this as clear as i possably can, THE FLOOD ARE IN HALO WARS BUT ONLY AS AN ENEMY IN THE CAMPAIGN MODE. Now the question i wanted to ask is, Why should we not be able to play AS the flood rather than just fighting them in the campaign mode. i think the Flood could be a good expansion to the multiplayer because it would give the player a more diverse option filled playing environment. So once again, DO YOU THINK THE FLOOD SHOULD BE A PLAYABLE RACE RATHER THAN JUST AN ENEMY YOU FIGHT IN THE CAMPAIGN?Atomic_Bacon

I've only seen one video showing that the flood will be in this game, and I only saw it a few hours ago. http://files.bungie.org/hw_cinematic_montage/url

Halo Wars may have a better story than the whole Halo trilogy. I'm pretty much buying this game for the campaigns cutscenes and the 3v3 skirmish mode.

Back on topic, Yeah the flood will be in the game, but they shouldn't be playable because they would use a completely different resource system. They use sentient beings(human and covenant) as resources for building an army. So any one playing as the flood would be limited by how many infantry units are thrown at them by the enemy.

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Id like to know why The Flood is even IN Halo Wars in the first place. We didnt encounter them untill the events in Halo, and if we HAD encountered them on Harvest then you think the UNSC would have some data on them before Halo.
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Yes and no. As it would be cool to see them taking over at your comand, there is little different so less characters to build and no ground vehicles. It would be cool but not as good of a campaign and may bring down the overall game.
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[QUOTE="iam2green"]yeah, i think it would be cool to play as flood. they won't have vehicles or anything but still cool. they would need a different type or something because other people would have guns and things.SteeleInd

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i would like to see the flood as a playable race however what would the use for tanks and planes, also what would thir buildings look like, furthermore who will be thair leader.
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#26 Atomic_Bacon
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you could make the flood have vehicles with...well bigger flood. for a base you could have a Gravemind that spawns the Pure Flood Forms which do not need human or covenant hosts, Such as the Sipder Flood, Tank Flood, and Shooter Flood seen in Halo 3. You Could also make Infection Forms that could corrupt other units, like priests in age of empires. as for the supplies problem, make a big puss bubble thing that slowly grows giving life to other Flood forms. the more it grows over time the more supplies you have, the more supplies you use the smaller it gets. simple.
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it does not make a difference to me, it would kinda be weird, the flood has no sense really.. they are hostile, the game is good withe spartins vs covenent
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Ok, check it out, Flood won't be playable, so don't **** but it is balanced. The flood is able to drive vehicles, so they'll probably have some sort of jacking ability, and also they'll have the morphing flood, meaning it'll be able to shoot, and the flood always can pick up fallen troops weapons. And plus, an infected Spartan equals the Juggernaut, so they'll probably have those in there as well, along with some new types most likely. And they will have forms of bases, it was seen when they were introduced. And as for the UNSC not knowing about Flood, and if they were on Harvest why didn't they know, it's because Harvest gets completely glassed, nothing is left, and of the like 8 ships the UNSC send to check what happened to Harvest, only one comes back, badly damaged due to the Covenant, that ship never made land fall because the planet was glassed. It works with the lore of the Halo universe because we never understood why they completely glassed Harvest, Ensemble just gave us that reason by introducing the Flood to Harvest. So there ya go, got any questions message me.
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it wouldnt make much sense. How would the Flood create units? The only way the flood spreads is by sending those small parasites and infecting living bodies, and frankly, it wouldn't make much sense to have them "create" units. How would the flood get supplies? and, their weapons would have to be UNSC and Covenant, because they do not have any unique weapons. They have no technology, their only goal is to infect and rise in numbers. The covenant and UNSC at least have a central command and have leaders like the Prophets or support like the spirit of fire. THe flood don't have their own vehicles as well, and that would only be a major imbalance in the game

cerealkiller8

Here's your answer, :P Even if they could, the race plays so differently from the others it would create a balancing issues. No units of its own, would have to depend on the other players having units, no real structure, etc. Just doesn't seem like a smart idea. The other two are great for it, very different, and at the same time very much a like. I'd rather be one race short and have a balanced RTS rather then extra races and have everything go nuts.

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I have a crazy feeling it'll be a DLC - Playable Flood
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#32 Atomic_Bacon
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[QUOTE="buttface1"][QUOTE="cerealkiller8"]

it wouldnt make much sense. How would the Flood create units? The only way the flood spreads is by sending those small parasites and infecting living bodies, and frankly, it wouldn't make much sense to have them "create" units. How would the flood get supplies? and, their weapons would have to be UNSC and Covenant, because they do not have any unique weapons. They have no technology, their only goal is to infect and rise in numbers. The covenant and UNSC at least have a central command and have leaders like the Prophets or support like the spirit of fire. THe flood don't have their own vehicles as well, and that would only be a major imbalance in the game

Here's your answer, :P Even if they could, the race plays so differently from the others it would create a balancing issues. No units of its own, would have to depend on the other players having units, no real structure, etc. Just doesn't seem like a smart idea. The other two are great for it, very different, and at the same time very much a like. I'd rather be one race short and have a balanced RTS rather then extra races and have everything go nuts.

Please read what everyone says before you respond, in one of my responses i stated that the Flood have Pure Flood Forms like the Spider, Shooter and Tank Flood in Halo 3. These forms don't need hosts and you could spawn them freely. by the way Tank Flood is the Flood form that most people think is a Hunter that got infected... Wrong, it is actually a pure Flood form.
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#33 II-FBIsniper-II
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It would be cool if it was released as DLC.
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[QUOTE="buttface1"][QUOTE="cerealkiller8"]

it wouldnt make much sense. How would the Flood create units? The only way the flood spreads is by sending those small parasites and infecting living bodies, and frankly, it wouldn't make much sense to have them "create" units. How would the flood get supplies? and, their weapons would have to be UNSC and Covenant, because they do not have any unique weapons. They have no technology, their only goal is to infect and rise in numbers. The covenant and UNSC at least have a central command and have leaders like the Prophets or support like the spirit of fire. THe flood don't have their own vehicles as well, and that would only be a major imbalance in the game

Atomic_Bacon

Here's your answer, :P Even if they could, the race plays so differently from the others it would create a balancing issues. No units of its own, would have to depend on the other players having units, no real structure, etc. Just doesn't seem like a smart idea. The other two are great for it, very different, and at the same time very much a like. I'd rather be one race short and have a balanced RTS rather then extra races and have everything go nuts.

Please read what everyone says before you respond, in one of my responses i stated that the Flood have Pure Flood Forms like the Spider, Shooter and Tank Flood in Halo 3. These forms don't need hosts and you could spawn them freely. by the way Tank Flood is the Flood form that most people think is a Hunter that got infected... Wrong, it is actually a pure Flood form.

Even so, that's three units, hardly enough to waste their time on. Y'know I keep seeing you post and everytime you do it seems like you got a stick up your ***, chill out dude. And I did read it all, but like I said, that information is pretty much irrelevant.

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#35 chugachea
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it wouldnt balance well, they dont have vehicles and maybe if they figured that stuff out (plus the whole story thing) maybe theyll add them in with dlc or when they make a sequel (because they WILL make a sequel there is ALWAYS a sequelarmyman455
Umm... is ensemble studios shutting down after this game launches? So the sequel would'nt be made by them even if there was, and bungie said that they want no part of halo wars.
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Ok, check it out, Flood won't be playable, so don't **** but it is balanced. The flood is able to drive vehicles, so they'll probably have some sort of jacking ability, and also they'll have the morphing flood, meaning it'll be able to shoot, and the flood always can pick up fallen troops weapons. And plus, an infected Spartan equals the Juggernaut, so they'll probably have those in there as well, along with some new types most likely. And they will have forms of bases, it was seen when they were introduced. And as for the UNSC not knowing about Flood, and if they were on Harvest why didn't they know, it's because Harvest gets completely glassed, nothing is left, and of the like 8 ships the UNSC send to check what happened to Harvest, only one comes back, badly damaged due to the Covenant, that ship never made land fall because the planet was glassed. It works with the lore of the Halo universe because we never understood why they completely glassed Harvest, Ensemble just gave us that reason by introducing the Flood to Harvest. So there ya go, got any questions message me.soshootme77
But I thought that the Covenant glassed every planet, I mean I have just read the books from The Fall of Reach to Ghosts of Onyx, so I guess that they could have retconned it. Also I thought that the UNSC hadn't encountered Elites until just a little before the battle of Reach.
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#37 webbut
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The flood should be playable the only vaild excuse for them not to be is that it would create some problems within the story.In the 1st halo game the humans were unaware of the flood's exsistanceand having a game that takes place 20 years before that where a crazy alien plauge attacks them and then 20 years later everyone just forgets about it would be pretty stupid. Having the flood in the game wouldnt be that hard if it was thought up in the beginning. They could have the story be around the flood taking over a small covenate fleet like in halo 3 and shooting down flood from pods. They could be the strongest race in the game but with weak squads that can be picked off pretty easy* Instead of killing units they convert them. Their main base could have been a crashed ship. Instead of getting raw matterals by the supply pads they could be forced to get them by the amount of enemy units they now control. The only units you would be able to produce are the things filled with floodlings and their ablity could be to explode into the little things. But it would be impossible to explain how the humans didnt know about the flood in halo combat evolved unless they just kill everyone off in the story.

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#38 Atomic_Bacon
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buttface1 i was actually talking to cerealkiller8. sorry dude didn't mean 2 piss u off.
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#39 buttface1
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buttface1 i was actually talking to cerealkiller8. sorry dude didn't mean 2 piss u off.Atomic_Bacon

My bad dude, it was a quote on me so naturally I thought so. Sorry man, didn't mean to be rude.

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[QUOTE="PAL360"][QUOTE="cerealkiller8"] [QUOTE="mfacek"]Playing the flood woudn't be possible with the way the game is set up. They would have no means of creating units, gathering supplies, using vehicles, etc.mfacek
Havent you guys play starcraft? All the units, vehicles and bases can be creatures ;)

Which would make no sense with the Halo lore. It may have worked for Starcraft, it wouldn't for Halo.

Sadly, I have to agree. It wouldn't make much sense. But still, it worked for Starcraft perfectly, just wouldn't work with Halo.

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#42 Atomic_Bacon
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I don't see why it wouldn't work for Halo. Ther might be a few kinks to work out,, but I can defenetly see themm as a playable race.
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#43 HeadTapper
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i reckon if they found a way of letting people play as the flood it would make the game twice as good.
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#44 Hayabusahalo
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The gravemind creates units. A grevemind could be the flood base. In fact the flood unit creation would be the only realistic one. Different units could be infected humans, elites, brutes etc, as well as the leech thing, the exploding dudes and those morphing things that shoot spikes. Vehicles would indeed be a problem however, I agree. They would have to be pretty much ommitted, but the flood could be able to board, like the Spartans do (since they can in Halo 2 and I think in Halo 3). I really want playable flood in a DLC.
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I agree in multiplayer that it would provide more tatics and mix it up more. But maybe they couldn't balance them out that well in order to add to the strategy or tatics of online play. Th
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#46 KamikazeDonut
Member since 2008 • 3016 Posts
Hopefully they'll release it with some DLC along with a Covenant campaign as well.
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#47 krunkfu2
Member since 2007 • 4218 Posts

if the flood were in halo wars the game would be knocked so ard for being a StarCraft clone

covenant=protoss

flood=zerg

humans=terran

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#48 cupcake_JR
Member since 2005 • 279 Posts
[QUOTE="SteeleInd"]

[QUOTE="iam2green"]yeah, i think it would be cool to play as flood. they won't have vehicles or anything but still cool. they would need a different type or something because other people would have guns and things.hopesfall2own

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