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#1 jake63
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Ok, so from what I've gathered, 720p would be better for my 360 because it displays motion more smoothly than 1080i. So if I'm looking at a HDTV with a max resolution of 1080i, like this one:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7600955&st=26%22+tube+hdtv&type=product&id=1130981752759

Can it display in 720p as well? Or do I need a Tv with a max resolution of 720p?

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#2 jake63
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7600955&st=26%22+tube+hdtv&type=product&id=1130981752759

Sorry, damn hyperlink didn't work.

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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7600955&st=26%22+tube+hdtv&type=product&id=1130981752759

Sorry, damn hyperlink didn't work.

jake63

Yeah, I'd like to know as well. Funny thing, I was justing looking at that tv as well.

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#4 Funkdaddy13
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Don't get that TV. Really bad. If you want a nice one at around that price, get this instead: http://www.vizio.com/products/detail.aspx?pid=24 It's native resolution is 1366 x 768 so even if it's advertised as 1080i, it's usually going to be a 768p (1366 x 768 ) or 720p (1280 x 720) TV. I would recommend setting it to: 720p (component cables)/1360 x 768 (VGA cables).
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#5 jake63
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Don't get that TV. Really bad. If you want a nice one at around that price, get this instead: http://www.vizio.com/products/detail.aspx?pid=24 It's native resolution is 1366 x 768 so even if it's advertised as 1080i, it's usually going to be a 768p (1366 x 768 ) or 720p (1280 x 720) TV. I would recommend setting it to: 720p (component cables)/1360 x 768 (VGA cables).Funkdaddy13

Are the Insignias really bad? I figured Best Buy's house brand of products would be better than Targe's or Wal-Mart's.

I was looking at the Vizios as well, but CRTs are better at reproducing blacks than LCDs are, right? That's my only concern. Well, that and the Insignia weighs 120 lbs.

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#6 jake63
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#7 jake63
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Anyone else? I had a chance to check out the Vizios at Walmart and they look good, but I'm not used to the squashed widescreen thing. Also, just so I know...if a tv is advertised as supporting 1080i, will it support 720p as well?

I'm looking at this Samsung too...

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#8 MindFreeze
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Get that 26" Vizio, the other ones, especially the first one you linked are Not very good.
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#9 hjolli23
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my tv has a max res of 1080i and but i use the 720p, u just select system settings r sum on the xbox and select display mode i think and then u just select 720p

i would trust the samsung best, where i live they dont sell the other kinds

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#10 TimothyB
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Anyone else? I had a chance to check out the Vizios at Walmart and they look good, but I'm not used to the squashed widescreen thing. Also, just so I know...if a tv is advertised as supporting 1080i, will it support 720p as well?

I'm looking at this Samsung too...

jake63

Don't look at that samsung model, it's not even widescreen, that's bad for HD. The moment you play at 1080i there will be bars on the top and bottom, while a widescreen tv it will fill the screen and be bigger.

I can't comment much on CRTs lately. Even the widescreen Samsung Slim HDTV Tube tvs always got a bad rep for having poor gometry and such. The other tv you linked to may have the same problem with the reviews there. You'll have to download the manual to be sure it supports 720p input, and what it converts it to, like if it converts it to 1080i to stay HD, or sometimes to 480p, not HD anymore. Cheap LCDs don't have that great of blacks as you guess. But the quality of those cheap tube tvs might have enough of their own cons to where it doesn't matter if the have better blacks. The best though was like a large 30+ inch Sony CRT HDTV that was around a $999, amazing quality I heard, but hard to find now, and weighed a ton. You should be able to find a 32inch LCD 720p tv for about $500 and have a return period if you don't like it. I like my 32inch Olevia from Circuit City. At night I set it to dark room to improve the blacks. Suprisingly it looked great with the dark Bioshock demo.

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#11 jake63
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I like my 32inch Olevia from Circuit City. At night I set it to dark room to improve the blacks. Suprisingly it looked great with the dark Bioshock demo.

TimothyB

How much was your Olevia?

I'm pretty sure I'll hit that 26" Vizio. I have an ancient RCA 26" CRT and I'm afraid I'll miss the sheer size compared to the widescreen.

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#12 wwe_ownage
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dont buy garbage, i have 2 hdtv's both samsungs, a 1080p lcd and 720p plasma, both way better than that. dont buya bad brand like vizio, olevia or westinghouse
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#13 wwe_ownage
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if you have $1000, get a 42 in hitachi plasma from circuit city, its on sale and the picture is ok. its 1080i which isn't as good as 1080p, but a good price and okay brand, better than what your wanting to buy
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#14 jake63
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dont buy garbage, i have 2 hdtv's both samsungs, a 1080p lcd and 720p plasma, both way better than that. dont buya bad brand like vizio, olevia or westinghousewwe_ownage

I can't afford plasma and it's going to be a stretch getting an LCD as it is. I'm only using it for gaming and movies, not all-day HDTV programs or big football games or anything. I'm sure your Sammys are better than the Vizio, but I think it's right for my budget and purpose. :idk:

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#15 Berserker_2
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I was looking at the Vizios as well, but CRTs are better at reproducing blacks than LCDs are, right? That's my only concern. Well, that and the Insignia weighs 120 lbs.

jake63

You are right that CRTs are great images. That TV seems to be 1080i only, but I think it would have to at least play 480i, too. If you buy this one, you would have to set the 360 to 1080i. I'd be careful with Vizio as I'm not sure about ghosting (slow pixel response time).

Look for reviews. The best thing to do is test your 360 in the store. If you can't do that, then research until you have answers. Perhaps someone else on the web has used this TV?

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#16 jake63
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if you have $1000, get a 42 in hitachi plasma from circuit city, its on sale and the picture is ok. its 1080i which isn't as good as 1080p, but a good price and okay brand, better than what your wanting to buywwe_ownage

I have about $500 tops and it's loan money. COLLEGE LOL

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#18 jstarzyk
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[QUOTE="jake63"]

Anyone else? I had a chance to check out the Vizios at Walmart and they look good, but I'm not used to the squashed widescreen thing. Also, just so I know...if a tv is advertised as supporting 1080i, will it support 720p as well?

I'm looking at this Samsung too...

TimothyB

Don't look at that samsung model, it's not even widescreen, that's bad for HD. The moment you play at 1080i there will be bars on the top and bottom, while a widescreen tv it will fill the screen and be bigger.

I can't comment much on CRTs lately. Even the widescreen Samsung Slim HDTV Tube tvs always got a bad rep for having poor gometry and such. The other tv you linked to may have the same problem with the reviews there. You'll have to download the manual to be sure it supports 720p input, and what it converts it to, like if it converts it to 1080i to stay HD, or sometimes to 480p, not HD anymore. Cheap LCDs don't have that great of blacks as you guess. But the quality of those cheap tube tvs might have enough of their own cons to where it doesn't matter if the have better blacks. The best though was like a large 30+ inch Sony CRT HDTV that was around a $999, amazing quality I heard, but hard to find now, and weighed a ton. You should be able to find a 32inch LCD 720p tv for about $500 and have a return period if you don't like it. I like my 32inch Olevia from Circuit City. At night I set it to dark room to improve the blacks. Suprisingly it looked great with the dark Bioshock demo.

I have a friend with the 30" widescreen slimfit HDTV. It is OK, but not fabulous. IMO the cheap brands don't look as good as the well known ones. I would avoid Insignia, Westinghouse, Olevia, just because I can see a difference between those and a decent brand like Samsung or Sharp. The more expensive brands typically have better parts, lower refresh rates (which transfers to better gaming), higher brightness, all which transfers into sharper, more vibrant images. The bargain brands were simply not high enough quality for me. I would stay away from the SlimFit judging by my friends because the images are not as good as what I've seen from LCD's of comparable size. This may be because he needs his TV professionally adjusted... If you are ok with the bargain brand quality, I say go for it. If you are weighing them against the Slimfit only, I give the bargains the edge.
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#19 Berserker_2
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CNET gave it a 4.2/10, but it still may be decent. Read it here.

EDIT: After reading the review, I say pass. It only has 1 component input, the image quality is poor, and it doesn't support 4:3 sources (it will stretch everything).

My CRT has 3 component inputs, great image quality, and supports 4:3 sources (with black bars on sides, or by filling the screen with a clever warping method).

Just save your money and wait for the right model.

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#20 jake63
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Like I said, the tv I'm using now is an ancient RCA thing that probably weighs as much as I do. Three words - simulated wood paneling. So no matter what I get, it'll be an upgrade. At the moment I can't afford a nice Sony or Sharp (as much as I love one) but I think even a Vizio will be fine for a long while. And hey, XBM has recommended the Vizio for a few months now (which is why I looked into it).
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#21 jake63
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CNET gave it a 4.2/10, but it still may be decent. Read it here.Berserker_2

Ouch. Stuff like PiP I won't use and I can't stand an overly soft picture. It looks like the Vizios fared a little better. Hmm...

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#22 jake63
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Could any other Vizio owners chime in?
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#23 TimothyB
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if you have $1000, get a 42 in hitachi plasma from circuit city, its on sale and the picture is ok. its 1080i which isn't as good as 1080p, but a good price and okay brand, better than what your wanting to buywwe_ownage

That hitachi is not full 1080i, it doesn't even run in an interlaced mode. It's some wierd 1024*1080 resolution, to show full 1080i deinterlaced (basiecally 1080p), you need 1920 across on top of 1080 down. Then the fact that most even the best 1080p tvs can't convert 1080i to 1080p properly, what makes this tv any better, you'll probably be seeing as lower as 1024*540 in fast motion because the inerlacing can't keep up, but only slow motion will it resolve all 1080 lines. I mean if you gave it 720p it would mean 1024*720 instead of full 1280*720. And 1024*1080 resolution from 1080i at 30fps is only a fraction larger in pixel count than full 720p.

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#24 TimothyB
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Here's the Olevia, and a great price, $499:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/OLEVIA-32-LCD-HDTV-232V/sem/rpsm/oid/163702/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

If you don't like it, return it with NO restocking fee. Eternal Sonta demo on it looks razor sharp and vivid. Bioshock demo looked great on it too. If you watch in a dark room, then set it to dark room so it dims the bulb, so that way the whites don't blind you and it improves the blacks. VGA looks great on it at 1360*768. And no overscan problems, even has 1:1 mode.

Not going to say blacks are great, but for the price and features, it's nice. it's the tv I use in my bedroom that didn't have to be perfect.

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#25 Tree06
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http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=105

I recommend this one. I just bought this one with the 4 year warranty and I have to say its the best tv I have ever owned. I believe its $549.99 at Bestbuy now. My friend came by and looked at it and he was amazed so he's buying the same one tomorrow.

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#26 TimothyB
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http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=105

I recommend this one. I just bought this one with the 4 year warranty and I have to say its the best tv I have ever owned. I believe its $549.99 at Bestbuy now. My friend came by and looked at it and he was amazed so he's buying the same one tomorrow.

Tree06

Not a bad price for a 24inch PC LCD with all that function. Though, I big question, does it have aspect or 1:1 control modes? So that HD 16:9 ratio has black bars on the top and bottom of the screen? If it fill the screen (which is 16:10) then the image is being distorted. I'd rather have 1:1 for 1080p so it maps 1 pixel for every pixel on 1080p to one pixel on the screen, so it stays razor sharp, not interpolated and distorted to fill the screen.

It's an amazing $399 after $50 rebate with free shipping at newegg.com:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824255001&Tpk=L2410NM (much better than $549)

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#27 jake63
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If that Olivia was maybe $50 cheaper, I'd hit it. :(

And the monitor looks all kinds of awesome, but I'd rather have a tv in case I can actually afford cable at some point.

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#28 TimothyB
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If that Olivia was maybe $50 cheaper, I'd hit it. :(

And the monitor looks all kinds of awesome, but I'd rather have a tv in case I can actually afford cable at some point.

jake63

I tried to get my AAA 10% coupon for Circuit City, but the site doesn't seem to work anymore to get it Though, on that page for the Olevia it says coupons can not be combined with the sale. But when I get home I'll check for some old coupon 10% codes I haven't used to see if it works, and that would take that extra $50 off. I hope it works.

In the mean time, there's always 22inch PC LCDs for $200 that except even up to 1080p (1920*1080), but the monitors are actually 1680*1050. And usually they have yellow composite video inputs that you could connect a VCR or Cable box to watch tv on it (or get a tv tuner card for your pc) . Only problem is since 22inch is widescreen, it's important to know if it has the correct aspect mode to keep normal square stuff, like regular tv, shaped like a square with bars on the side, and not just stretch it to fill the screen. Usually that mode is called Apect, where it scales the image as large as it can fit on the screen while keeping the correct aspect ration (the original shape)

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#29 jake63
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[QUOTE="jake63"]

If that Olivia was maybe $50 cheaper, I'd hit it. :(

And the monitor looks all kinds of awesome, but I'd rather have a tv in case I can actually afford cable at some point.

TimothyB

I tried to get my AAA 10% coupon for Circuit City, but the site doesn't seem to work anymore to get it Though, on that page for the Olevia it says coupons can not be combined with the sale. But when I get home I'll check for some old coupon 10% codes I haven't used to see if it works, and that would take that extra $50 off. I hope it works.

Cool. I'd really appreciate that. Could I use that coupon in-store or arrange for a pickup? I guess I vo=could figure this stuff out on my own, huh?

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#30 TimothyB
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I just remembered I still had an active code in my gamespot outbox for 10%. I just tried it and it said there was no qualifying products in my cart, so it won't on the Olevia deal. When I bought mine 4 months or more ago they normall had this tv at $899 and every other week or so it went on sale for $599. I used my 10% coupon then to get it for about $545. Then a week later K-mart had it for $499 so I had it price matched down to $495 (110% difference deal). So it's really is a great price for $499 right off the bat. And it has a built in tuner so if you even have the lowest cable service I "THINK" you'd still detect and show the digital version of FOX, ABC, CBS and NBC to get their HD shows. Not 100% sure though.

You won't find a better deal than that often as usually the 32inch size screens get the biggest discounts, so anything smaller is almost the same price as a 32inch.

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CRT Tube TV's are better than any other kind of FLAT HDTv plasma LCD, DLP what ever. CRT tubes have been around for 50 years and have set the standard.

Those wimpy flat slims HDTV like LCD's/dlp/plasma/locos are trying to match CRT ube HDTV for sheer picture quailty and none of them come close no matter how much they cost. Like sharps TV ad on how black there LCD's are when CRT is perfect black all the time. "Black enhances color" No duh sharp you are trying to match a CRT with your LCD.

LCD will andcan LAG and have ghosting effects if they are not fast enough with any interlaced format.They will up scale 480p pictures to there native res and they look the worst. CRT tubes do not have this problem and can display any res with out up scale.

If you get a flatl then you will have feed a flat pannel a pure signal in it's native res or you will have an up scale problem and it will look ugly.

DLP and any other flat Slim HDTVlike those cheep "Vizos" or what ever will have theere own set of problems and I am not going to spend 13 pages listing them.

You can also play old games and use light guns with CRT HDTV's with out the problems those weak flat HDtv;s have since that format was made for CRTs.

IF you are getting a Tube CRT hdtv do not get anything less than sony wega xbr 960, There "super fine pitch" aparture grill CRT is the best most high tec CRT tube around.

I use a Sony Xbr 960 for all my games and a 60 inch sony XBR LCD for FLim and blueray movies since blueray disc run at a 1080p native res it is not a problem. You can only get CRT up to 34 inch since they would be to heavy at 60 inches.

The sony xbr CRT line kills all the flat pannels in just looking better than anything else it's crt tube type is the standard for black, color levels and detail.

http://reviews.cnet.com/direct-view-tvs-crt/sony-kd-34xbr960/4505-6481_7-30787600.html

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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7600955&st=26%22+tube+hdtv&type=product&id=1130981752759

So ya Do not get this the CRT Tube is poor and the only way any body would be happy is if the are blind and or color blind, or very old and can not see straight or need glasses.

Don't buy a TV until you look at it in personAsk them to hook up an XBOX if they want a sale they will do it.

I have seen tubes like these in the store since i stop byTV departments while i get games for my own fun .CRt tube like are in that TV. They are justnot fun to look at, get a Real picture tube a Sony xbr tube crt. I spent $2000 for my sony XBR CRT like 3 years ago and they are like down to $1500 in some places.

My first job in 1997 was to calibrate HDTV's and install home theaters trust me on this.

Ohh and the sony xbr960 is 200 pounds the weight sizeis not an issue you buy it for the picture and power.

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#33 Bandamage
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Id recommend that you buya sharp aquos hdtv. Its really great. I bought one for 1,100 that can display in 1080p with 10,000:1 contrast.
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#34 TimothyB
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7600955&st=26%22+tube+hdtv&type=product&id=1130981752759

So ya Do not get this the CRT Tube is poor and the only way any body would be happy is if the are blind and or color blind, or very old and can not see straight or need glasses.

Don't buy a TV until you look at it in personAsk them to hook up an XBOX if they want a sale they will do it.

I have seen tubes like these in the store since i stop byTV departments while i get games for my own fun .CRt tube like are in that TV. They are justnot fun to look at, get a Real picture tube a Sony xbr tube crt. I spent $2000 for my sony XBR CRT like 3 years ago and they are like down to $1500 in some places.

My first job in 1997 was to calibrate HDTV's and install home theaters trust me on this.

Ohh and the sony xbr960 is 200 pounds the weight sizeis not an issue you buy it for the picture and power.

Sonicgod

Well, that's the thing. Most CRTs that are still being sold or in stores are the cheap brands and can't hold a candle to the higher end models like your Sony. What's mainly left are those not so great Smasung Slimfits.

Despite CRT being better. Nothing like my 65inch 1080p DLP that has pretty good blacks and only 86lbs. THough, the thread starter is on a budget of around $450.

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#35 parshanb
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Sony Bravia = Best LCD anywhere, samsungs are also good
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#36 jake63
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...

Sonicgod

...Bandamage
...parshanb

Guys, I appreciate the input, but I think you're missing the limits I have to conform to for a new tv (probably should have made them clear in the first post). Size, weight and price are all major considerations. My budget hovers around $450-$500 USD tops, my tv stand can only handle up to 150 lbs. (which probably rules out most CRTs), and I'd probably be happy with 26" - 32". I don't need plasma, I don't need 12 HDMI inputs, I don't need the most flawless picture available on the market. I'm sick of playing good games on my sh!tty 26" RCA CRT from 1995 and I just want a good starter HDTV. My little apartment won't become the entertainment hub in the tristate area, so please...no more 60" Sony WalletRape 5000 suggestions. :)

And I haven't played a lightgun game at home since the NES was the best system out there. :D

Anyway, please keep the suggestions coming. Any Vizio owners out there with 360s?

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#37 cool_baller
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My mom has a Vizio in her room, and one in the living room. The living room one is around 40, bedroom one is 32 inches. Very good tvs
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#38 ISuperGamerI
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Sony Bravia = Best LCD anywhere, samsungs are also goodparshanb

I agree but they do not look good with Cable and I am not sure if there is a way to fix it.

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#39 suade907
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Vizios FTW. I own one and they have the best warranty out of all these other tv's. Buy it at costco and just return it if you don't like it. I have a older vizio 32" it still works perfect and is great for the 360 here is a pic but the pic looks crappy and doesn't do it justice.
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#40 Mancow_wrestler
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Jake check your messages.

Also, just so everyone else knows, I just recently went from a OLD SDTV to a brand new 27inch 1080i vizio, and the quality and picture color and sharpness while gaming and watching movies on the vizio is bar none the best bang for your buck. I got it for just under 500 dollars after tax at walmart....great TV and works wonders on a 360 while gaming.

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#41 jake63
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I think I'm set on the Vizio. I'll give it a rigorous workout for a month and if I hate it, I'll pony up for a nicer set.

Mancow, thanks and check your inbox. :)

What's the rumor that Walmart is selling stripped-down Vizios? Just a rumor? I don't have a Costco available...is there another major retailer that carries Vizio?

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#42 suade907
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I don't know the details but I know Walmart has a lock on the black 32"er. Not sure if it is stripped down or not. THe black one is sweeet though.
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#43 TimothyB
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Jake check your messages.

Also, just so everyone else knows, I just recently went from a OLD SDTV to a brand new 27inch 1080i vizio, and the quality and picture color and sharpness while gaming and watching movies on the vizio is bar none the best bang for your buck. I got it for just under 500 dollars after tax at walmart....great TV and works wonders on a 360 while gaming.

Mancow_wrestler

Please don't call a 720p/768p progressive LCD tv a 1080i tv when they are not :) It just makes it confusing. THere's a difference between the highest supported resolution over the inputs and the highest it actually displays on the screen.

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#44 xXmilkXx
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Yo man chekc the reveiws!
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#45 jake63
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So I went to Walmart last night to pick up a Vizio but they were out. After talking with a rep there, I found out if three TVs are returned a day, two of those are Vizios. So I picked up a Sanyo 26" that's about the same as the Vizio spec-wise, but with a slightly better contrast ratio. It's un-fvcking-believeable how beautiful games and videos are now. I really wish I had this set when I first got my 360. I now see what all the fuss about HDTV is about...it's like video games will never be the same.

Awesome.

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#46 Sonicgod
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I see the screen door and rainbows of the spining mirror on DLPs so I had to take all DLP i tried back to the store and Then I just got the Sony LCD, and decided to skip LCD for gamesand just get the Sony XBR CRT for games and use MY NES xbox 360 wii what ever on the CRT and not have any problems.

DLp give me migrains. I am waiting for Orgainic LCD OLED to come out and see if they do a better job than DLP,lcd and plasma.

and yes sony Brava line is the best of LCD, sharp aqious is also nice. The non XBR bravia's LCDnot so good there ok I use a sony BRavia xbr for blueray and HD-dvdmovies. anything sony with out the XBR label has been cut down to size.

And they only look good if you feed a 100% digital singal at it's native res. If your cable tvlooks bad then it is not HDor not at theLCD's native res.

http://www.sony****com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&partNumber=KDL46XBR2

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#47 keldonson
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This thread looks like its almost dead but I will give my input. I have done tons of research in purchasing a new TV. This is the one I settled on:
KDF-46E2000 Sony 3LCD rear projection TV. I will say it is out of your price range. But, the smaller 42" version (KDF-42E2000) on Amazon is around $850 after shipping (depending on who has it in stock). Why I choose this TV line:

-LCDs are amazing, but once pixels go bad, your viewing will be less than lackluster once you start focusing on thosesparkly little distractions. Last 4-5 years
-Plasma- amazing color but again, you will have to replace your TV in 4-5 years.
-DLPs-nice but, having to replace impossible to fine color wheels sucks and can be very expensive. Not to mention noisy (it shouldn't have to compete with your 360 on the decibel meter).
-3LCD- Better than DLPs but not the picture of a LCD or Plasma. Has a replaceable (and affordable) bulb ($150USD) that you can by right from Sony. It also defuses light from outside sources making your gaming experience better without the distraction from your lamps or PC.

They have a new 1080P version...if I had the cash, I would have gotten that one instead but, since I graduated from college, my student loans are rolling in (and my wife might be upset by the $500 difference).

If you wanted a CRT (yea I know), Toshiba makes a nice one.

I hope this tidbit helps.

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#48 TimothyB
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This thread looks like its almost dead but I will give my input. I have done tons of research in purchasing a new TV. This is the one I settled on:
KDF-46E2000 Sony 3LCD rear projection TV. I will say it is out of your price range. But, the smaller 42" version (KDF-42E2000) on Amazon is around $850 after shipping (depending on who has it in stock). Why I choose this TV line:

-LCDs are amazing, but once pixels go bad, your viewing will be less than lackluster once you start focusing on thosesparkly little distractions. Last 4-5 years
-Plasma- amazing color but again, you will have to replace your TV in 4-5 years.
-DLPs-nice but, having to replace impossible to fine color wheels sucks and can be very expensive. Not to mention noisy (it shouldn't have to compete with your 360 on the decibel meter).
-3LCD- Better than DLPs but not the picture of a LCD or Plasma. Has a replaceable (and affordable) bulb ($150USD) that you can by right from Sony. It also defuses light from outside sources making your gaming experience better without the distraction from your lamps or PC.

They have a new 1080P version...if I had the cash, I would have gotten that one instead but, since I graduated from college, my student loans are rolling in (and my wife might be upset by the $500 difference).

If you wanted a CRT (yea I know), Toshiba makes a nice one.

I hope this tidbit helps.

keldonson

On LCDs, I don't think I've ever heard of pixels going bad over time. Usually you might have some bad ones in the first few months or right when you get it. Or over 5 years, maybe the backlighting might dim overtime. An old 15inch LCD I've had for 5 years still works, just not as bright as when I first got it. But those were PC LCDs. HDTVs are usually rated for a very very long lifespan

Replace a plasma every 4 to 5 years? I guess like 8 yeras ago that was a concern. But are not those rated 60,000 hours now-a-days, like LCDs? But without checking, lets say 30,000 hours, that would be 13.7 years at 6 hours a day. Just checked, yep, most claim 60k hours, about the same life as LCds, and that is generally better than the life of CRT tube tvs.

DLPs. I think the fan is more noisy in DLPs than a Color wheel is, since the wheel is no moving air, and that can be an issue with an rear projection type. And while a color wheel is a mechanical part that may fail, it's not something that often does like say a bulb after 3.5 something years. Never heard of anyone needing to replace a wheel, or if it did, no more harder to find than any other part of a tv. DLPs have regular bulbs just like 3LCD rear projections and LCoS rear projections. There's even LED DLPs that don't use a color wheel and the LEDs are rated 20,000 hours. Also, only downside with DLP is they are one chip, not 3 chip like 3LCD, so some might see rainbows. I see them, but often don't pop out enough to be an issue.

3LCD Rear Projections are not really better than DLP. Back in the day when those were still the top of the line Sony, DLPs were known to have the better blacks. LCD RP finally got an iris to help the blacks, but by then Sony was using LCoS type Rear Projection rebadged as SXRD for their first 1080p screen. Now the only 3LCD tvs left are their smaller 720p screens, which I don't think can hold a candle to current generations of DLP or SXRD or other LCoS tvs ( SXRD and LCoS are 3 chip like 3LCD). Maybe the bulb is cheaper, but most are still not too bad like the $240 bulb on my new 65inch DLP.

I see Sony has a new 3LCD 50e3000 50inch 1080p tv coming. But that's kind of small for the largest size, and expensive compared to what you can find with a DLP. Rather pay a bit more to get a new sony SXRD a3000 models, or get a deal on their previous a2020 models. I know before then new A3000s were heard of I was able to get Circuit City price of the 60inch SXRD a2020 1080p down to $2099, then ew 50e3000 3LCD is $1799 (i guess probably lower with discounts). But the a2020s should be pretty much close to the price of the 3LCDs. A could order the 60inch a2020 for $1880 at circuit city after 10% off. The 55inch is already the list price of the 50inch 1080p 3LCD before the 10%, so $1620 after 10%. Currently has the 50e300 at $1599 before any discountys, but I'd go a little more for the 55inch SXRD

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#49 nate623
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I just bought that 26'' vizio from k-mart this weekend for 399.99 it is great!! the xbox looks unbelivable on it at 720p and it works on 1080i but runs smoother on the 720p it is well worth it i love it, my friend got the 32 inch. and it is awsome as well but it was 550.00 but k-mart has them on sale unti 9/9/07 check your local k-marts its great!

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sorry bout the pic. quality but the tv is not fuzzy at all its my camera