hhd + gta 4 dev comments +multiple disk???

Multiple discs arent practicle for seamless open world games.jigglebilly1983

Exactly, this GTA IV will fit on one DVD.

Future GTAs on the other hand could possibly have multiple disks, but again depends on the developer. 

[QUOTE="jigglebilly1983"]Multiple discs arent practicle for seamless open world games.Deyee

Exactly, this GTA IV will fit on one DVD.

Future GTAs on the other hand could possibly have multiple disks, but again depends on the developer. 

with heavy amounts of compression that will downgrade quality. compression that prolly wont be nescesary on the PS3 version. And Future GTA's prolly wont have to be on multiple discs, becasue by that time one should hope that the developers had figured out all the tricks for the systems by then.

[QUOTE="Deyee"]

[QUOTE="jigglebilly1983"]Multiple discs arent practicle for seamless open world games.jigglebilly1983

Exactly, this GTA IV will fit on one DVD.

Future GTAs on the other hand could possibly have multiple disks, but again depends on the developer. 

with heavy amounts of compression that will downgrade quality. compression that prolly wont be nescesary on the PS3 version. And Future GTA's prolly wont have to be on multiple discs, becasue by that time one should hope that the developers had figured out all the tricks for the systems by then.

thats not entirely true, it could go multiply disks this game or ones for the future, and it wouldnt really hender anything.

and large amounts of compression do generally downgrade quality, but MS and its compression tools that they sent to the developers are way more advanced than that of sonys, not to downgrade sony but just talking facts. so they can compress more without losing as much quality, but still if it was all uncompressed which will not happen this generation of gamming on any system. or pc. it would be much better, here is another thing, MS stated 3 things.

1. there is no need for 1080p at this time, half a year later, 1080p is on 360

2. there is no need for a hdmi port, now you have a system that has one.

3. the larger hdd will not have games made specifically to use it, AT THIS TIME.

the first 2 have already adapted, see it works like this if MS feel they need to use hdd specific games sometimes then they will, they have that ability not only have it but exercised that right many times, now.

not to say sony hasnt changed things as well. the ps3 was changed several times before production. the ps3 exlusives not so exclusive anymore, they announced home, see. things are not like they were a few years ago, change is the only constant. and MS and Sony have enough backing to adapt to anything in the fields of gamming.

with heavy amounts of compression that will downgrade quality. compression that prolly wont be nescesary on the PS3 version. And Future GTA's prolly wont have to be on multiple discs, becasue by that time one should hope that the developers had figured out all the tricks for the systems by then.jigglebilly1983

The lack of a hard drive was the main issue posed by Rockstar, not the type of disk. So why is everyone bringing that up?bessy67

[QUOTE="bessy67"]The lack of a hard drive was the main issue posed by Rockstar, not the type of disk. So why is everyone bringing that up?teebeenz

I'll agree with you to a point. Is the space of a DVD 9 becoming a bit hard to fit a game on one disk? For some developers yes.

Yet, gamers have been swapping discs out since the PS1, so what's stopping developers from developing multi-disk games? Blue Dragon is 3 disks as we all know, so why not other games. Sure, there's definitely an immersion factor with SEAMless gameplay, but I'd hardly say that this generation NEEDS a new format.

Next-generation (After the PS3, 360, Wii) definitely, but not now.

Of course that's just my opinion on the matter.  

Multiple discs arent practicle for seamless open world games.jigglebilly1983

Exactly. Multiple discs are *acceptable* (but certainly not preferable) for linear games but are an absolute kludge for non-linear games such as GTA.

To add insult to injury developers could have easily worked around the limitations of DVD9 if MS had made an HDD a standard component in the 360 architecture.

[QUOTE="Deyee">Yet, gamers have been swapping discs out since the PS1, so what's stopping developers from developing multi-disk games? teebeenz

lol actually its 4 gigs a level uncompressed, read up on it, the size would be a lot smaller on actual game. lol people need to realize this.

>lol actually its 4 gigs a level uncompressed, read up on it, the size would be a lot smaller on actual game. lol people need to realize this.SicsStringFreak

[QUOTE="SicsStringFreak"]>lol actually its 4 gigs a level uncompressed, read up on it, the size would be a lot smaller on actual game. lol people need to realize this.teebeenz

Here's the deal.  They will absolutely use compression.  Do you know how long load times would be if games didn't use compression?  It would take forever.  If you need further evidence that dvds will be big enough then you should check out this site. 

http://gamesfirst.com/?id=1132

[QUOTE="jigglebilly1983"]with heavy amounts of compression that will downgrade quality. compression that prolly wont be nescesary on the PS3 version. And Future GTA's prolly wont have to be on multiple discs, becasue by that time one should hope that the developers had figured out all the tricks for the systems by then.teebeenz

You're retarded then. That would be a major step backwards for Microsoft, and I don't see it happening. 

[QUOTE="teebeenz"][QUOTE="bessy67"]The lack of a hard drive was the main issue posed by Rockstar, not the type of disk. So why is everyone bringing that up?Deyee

I'll agree with you to a point. Is the space of a DVD 9 becoming a bit hard to fit a game on one disk? For some developers yes.

Yet, gamers have been swapping discs out since the PS1, so what's stopping developers from developing multi-disk games? Blue Dragon is 3 disks as we all know, so why not other games. Sure, there's definitely an immersion factor with SEAMless gameplay, but I'd hardly say that this generation NEEDS a new format.

Next-generation (After the PS3, 360, Wii) definitely, but not now.

Of course that's just my opinion on the matter.

I bet Mass Effect is going to be a massive game, judging on past Bioware projects. There has been no announcement about that being multiple-discs or even needing to be and the graphics are so much more amazing than both Blue Dragon and GTAIV in my opinion.

You're retarded then. That would be a major step backwards for Microsoft, and I don't see it happening.Intrakitt

http://gamesfirst.com/?id=1132 

[QUOTE="Intrakitt"]You're retarded then. That would be a major step backwards for Microsoft, and I don't see it happening.teebeenz

http://gamesfirst.com/?id=1132

http://gamesfirst.com/?id=1132

tony_fjellborg

That article is chalk full of inaccuracies, fortunately I will only have to address a few of them.

A few weeks ago, the Xbox 360 modding community figured out a way to pull raw data dumps from the Xbox 360 discs, giving the scene access to their raw sizes. Unfortunately, we don't have the data for every game in the launch line-up; in fact, we only have the data from 4, which is hardly statistically representative. Still, we work with what we have.

These are the sizes that we know:

• Condemned: 3.9 GB
  
• Madden 06 NFL: 3.3 GB
  
• Dead or Alive 4: 5 GB
  
• NBA 06: 4.5 GB

Average: 4.18 GB or 49% of the DVD9 capacity.

fanboy article

The sizes are incorrect for the games he has listed and we can now take a look at the average size of all the launch games:

Condemned: 7.3GB

Madden 06 NFL: 6.5GB

DOA 4: 4.4GB

NBA 06: 4.4GB

PDZ: 6.6GB

PGR3: 7.1GB

COD2: 7.3GB

Need for Speed: Most Wanted: 5.6GB

King Kong: 6.5GB

GUN:7GB

Kameo: 7.1GB

THAW: 6.9GB

Quake 4: 5.1GB

Ridge Racer 6: 5.5GB

Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06: 5.1GB

Amped 3: 7.2GB

FIFA 06: 4.2GB

NHL 2K6: 4.6GB

NBA Live: 6.9GB

( source )

Average (of all launch games): 6.4GB, 75% of DVD9's capacity.

Assuming the authors growth rate of 77% is correct by the end of the Xbox 360's life span the average game should be 11.2GB or 2 DVD9s.

Compression for the Xbox 360 can be much more easily done, as well as far and far better then compression for Blu Ray discs at the moment. Where Blu Ray needs 25-30GB, DVD9 when data is compressed, fits on one DVD9. So I wouldn't worry about this too much. Infact, for Mass Effect, whole new compression was done to make it fit on one DVD9. The developer stated it would need allot more space if not compressed that way.FearlessSpirit

[QUOTE="tony_fjellborg"]

http://gamesfirst.com/?id=1132

skektek

That article is chalk full of inaccuracies, fortunately I will only have to address a few of them.

A few weeks ago, the Xbox 360 modding community figured out a way to pull raw data dumps from the Xbox 360 discs, giving the scene access to their raw sizes. Unfortunately, we don't have the data for every game in the launch line-up; in fact, we only have the data from 4, which is hardly statistically representative. Still, we work with what we have.

These are the sizes that we know:

• Condemned: 3.9 GB
  
• Madden 06 NFL: 3.3 GB
  
• Dead or Alive 4: 5 GB
  
• NBA 06: 4.5 GB

Average: 4.18 GB or 49% of the DVD9 capacity.

fanboy article

The sizes are incorrect for the games he has listed and we can now take a look at the average size of all the launch games:

Condemned: 7.3GB

Madden 06 NFL: 6.5GB

DOA 4: 4.4GB

NBA 06: 4.4GB

PDZ: 6.6GB

PGR3: 7.1GB

COD2: 7.3GB

Need for Speed: Most Wanted: 5.6GB

King Kong: 6.5GB

GUN:7GB

Kameo: 7.1GB

THAW: 6.9GB

Quake 4: 5.1GB

Ridge Racer 6: 5.5GB

Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06: 5.1GB

Amped 3: 7.2GB

FIFA 06: 4.2GB

NHL 2K6: 4.6GB

NBA Live: 6.9GB

( source )

Average (of all launch games): 6.4GB, 75% of DVD9's capacity.

Assuming the authors growth rate of 77% is correct by the end of the Xbox 360's life span the average game should be 11.2GB or 2 DVD9s.

[QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="tony_fjellborg"]

http://gamesfirst.com/?id=1132

WillT12345

That article is chalk full of inaccuracies, fortunately I will only have to address a few of them.

A few weeks ago, the Xbox 360 modding community figured out a way to pull raw data dumps from the Xbox 360 discs, giving the scene access to their raw sizes. Unfortunately, we don't have the data for every game in the launch line-up; in fact, we only have the data from 4, which is hardly statistically representative. Still, we work with what we have.

These are the sizes that we know:

• Condemned: 3.9 GB
  
• Madden 06 NFL: 3.3 GB
  
• Dead or Alive 4: 5 GB
  
• NBA 06: 4.5 GB

Average: 4.18 GB or 49% of the DVD9 capacity.

fanboy article

The sizes are incorrect for the games he has listed and we can now take a look at the average size of all the launch games:

Condemned: 7.3GB

Madden 06 NFL: 6.5GB

DOA 4: 4.4GB

NBA 06: 4.4GB

PDZ: 6.6GB

PGR3: 7.1GB

COD2: 7.3GB

Need for Speed: Most Wanted: 5.6GB

King Kong: 6.5GB

GUN:7GB

Kameo: 7.1GB

THAW: 6.9GB

Quake 4: 5.1GB

Ridge Racer 6: 5.5GB

Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06: 5.1GB

Amped 3: 7.2GB

FIFA 06: 4.2GB

NHL 2K6: 4.6GB

NBA Live: 6.9GB

( source )

Average (of all launch games): 6.4GB, 75% of DVD9's capacity.

Assuming the authors growth rate of 77% is correct by the end of the Xbox 360's life span the average game should be 11.2GB or 2 DVD9s.

Ad Hominem. 

I provided a link to the source for a reason. Do your own leg work if you don't believe me.