How the Disc killed Xbox One's Former Usage Policies
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Gonna have to disagree with most of this. Microsoft was attempting to remove the value of the disc entirely- and even with the backpeddling, they still haven't changed that. Xbox 360 was perfect as far as the balance between physical media and digital software. The game you buy at the store is the disc. Installing the disc to your machine is optional, but you also have the digital marketplace. That gave you a choice, purchase one copy of the game to do with as you see fit, or license a digital copy to play for as long as they want to allow you to. The Xbox One is trying to shift that balance away from ownership toward licensing. The fact that you can still buy or sell you games due to their original policy reversal is a big win, sure, but since all the games are still subject to mandatory installs, the game is still their property since it no longer plays directly from the disc. They're still taking ownership(based on the importance of the disc in playing the game) away from you. That, and the NSA spycam, is the reason I still won't be buying an Xbox One. Playstation 4 is my bet for the next gen, though I'm even doubting that, as PS3's habit of forcing installations points to PS4 following suit. I'll be waiting at least two years, and judging on what I hear by then, I'll decide whether or not I'm done with console gaming entirely. I expect I will be. Wii U seems most likely to be my last home console, unless Nintendo stays the course with whatever comes afterward. And if they don't, well, it'll just be me and my handhelds.El_Zo1212o
No
A disc or a digital license it's the same thing. YOu own a license either way.
Microsoft was trying to allow users control of all their content, not just physical.
I don't see why you would call the 360 perfect when you have no control over your digital products
[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]Gonna have to disagree with most of this. Microsoft was attempting to remove the value of the disc entirely- and even with the backpeddling, they still haven't changed that. Xbox 360 was perfect as far as the balance between physical media and digital software. The game you buy at the store is the disc. Installing the disc to your machine is optional, but you also have the digital marketplace. That gave you a choice, purchase one copy of the game to do with as you see fit, or license a digital copy to play for as long as they want to allow you to. The Xbox One is trying to shift that balance away from ownership toward licensing. The fact that you can still buy or sell you games due to their original policy reversal is a big win, sure, but since all the games are still subject to mandatory installs, the game is still their property since it no longer plays directly from the disc. They're still taking ownership(based on the importance of the disc in playing the game) away from you. That, and the NSA spycam, is the reason I still won't be buying an Xbox One. Playstation 4 is my bet for the next gen, though I'm even doubting that, as PS3's habit of forcing installations points to PS4 following suit. I'll be waiting at least two years, and judging on what I hear by then, I'll decide whether or not I'm done with console gaming entirely. I expect I will be. Wii U seems most likely to be my last home console, unless Nintendo stays the course with whatever comes afterward. And if they don't, well, it'll just be me and my handhelds.Jaysonguy
No
A disc or a digital license it's the same thing. YOu own a license either way.
Microsoft was trying to allow users control of all their content, not just physical.
I don't see why you would call the 360 perfect when you have no control over your digital products
You have no control over your digital content because you choose to purchase a license instead of a physical copy of the game. Microsoft was trying to strip any semblance of control away from the user by forcing everyone into the licensing scam. PCs lost that fight years and years ago. I have no intention of helping console games do the same.Why couldnt MS do all the stuff they wanted to do, except just simply leave the physical disc alone? Â The physical disc should have been whole and seperate from all the digital stuf they had intended on doing with Xbox One. It just sickens me what they tried to pull on people, their own customers.Â
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]Gonna have to disagree with most of this. Microsoft was attempting to remove the value of the disc entirely- and even with the backpeddling, they still haven't changed that. Xbox 360 was perfect as far as the balance between physical media and digital software. The game you buy at the store is the disc. Installing the disc to your machine is optional, but you also have the digital marketplace. That gave you a choice, purchase one copy of the game to do with as you see fit, or license a digital copy to play for as long as they want to allow you to. The Xbox One is trying to shift that balance away from ownership toward licensing. The fact that you can still buy or sell you games due to their original policy reversal is a big win, sure, but since all the games are still subject to mandatory installs, the game is still their property since it no longer plays directly from the disc. They're still taking ownership(based on the importance of the disc in playing the game) away from you. That, and the NSA spycam, is the reason I still won't be buying an Xbox One. Playstation 4 is my bet for the next gen, though I'm even doubting that, as PS3's habit of forcing installations points to PS4 following suit. I'll be waiting at least two years, and judging on what I hear by then, I'll decide whether or not I'm done with console gaming entirely. I expect I will be. Wii U seems most likely to be my last home console, unless Nintendo stays the course with whatever comes afterward. And if they don't, well, it'll just be me and my handhelds.El_Zo1212o
No
A disc or a digital license it's the same thing. YOu own a license either way.
Microsoft was trying to allow users control of all their content, not just physical.
I don't see why you would call the 360 perfect when you have no control over your digital products
You have no control over your digital content because you choose to purchase a license instead of a physical copy of the game. Microsoft was trying to strip any semblance of control away from the user by forcing everyone into the licensing scam. PCs lost that fight years and years ago. I have no intention of helping console games do the same.Microsoft was going to give you control over your digital content.
You were going to be able to trade or sell it, something that can't be done this generation and thanks to morons who want fewer rights we wont next generation either.
Why is more control over all your content a bad thing?
You have no control over your digital content because you choose to purchase a license instead of a physical copy of the game. Microsoft was trying to strip any semblance of control away from the user by forcing everyone into the licensing scam. PCs lost that fight years and years ago. I have no intention of helping console games do the same.[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]
No
A disc or a digital license it's the same thing. YOu own a license either way.
Microsoft was trying to allow users control of all their content, not just physical.
I don't see why you would call the 360 perfect when you have no control over your digital products
Jaysonguy
Microsoft was going to give you control over your digital content.
You were going to be able to trade or sell it, something that can't be done this generation and thanks to morons who want fewer rights we wont next generation either.
Why is more control over all your content a bad thing?
Great bit of trollingÂ
On the off chance you are serious, then just No. You are just stating facts which are so far from the truth I do not even know how to respond.
I still love the smell of a freshly opened game. Â F that digital crap, it makes you numb to spending money.
kingoflife9
And may it stay this way for many more years.
On one hand I can wait for a 30gb file to download which would take years, on the other I can pop to TESCO and be back playing within 30 minutes.
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]
[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] You have no control over your digital content because you choose to purchase a license instead of a physical copy of the game. Microsoft was trying to strip any semblance of control away from the user by forcing everyone into the licensing scam. PCs lost that fight years and years ago. I have no intention of helping console games do the same.pickettsticket
Microsoft was going to give you control over your digital content.
You were going to be able to trade or sell it, something that can't be done this generation and thanks to morons who want fewer rights we wont next generation either.
Why is more control over all your content a bad thing?
Great bit of trollingÂ
On the off chance you are serious, then just No. You are just stating facts which are so far from the truth I do not even know how to respond.
No, they're all true
Under the current system, the system that will carry onto next gen with the two major console makers digital products are at a disadvantage because of how ownership is handled.
Microsoft was going to give more rights to all of your content, digital or not, you would be able to sell and trade digital content. That equals more power for the consumer.
[QUOTE="pickettsticket"]
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]
Microsoft was going to give you control over your digital content.
You were going to be able to trade or sell it, something that can't be done this generation and thanks to morons who want fewer rights we wont next generation either.
Why is more control over all your content a bad thing?
Jaysonguy
Great bit of trollingÂ
On the off chance you are serious, then just No. You are just stating facts which are so far from the truth I do not even know how to respond.
No, they're all true
Under the current system, the system that will carry onto next gen with the two major console makers digital products are at a disadvantage because of how ownership is handled.
Microsoft was going to give more rights to all of your content, digital or not, you would be able to sell and trade digital content. That equals more power for the consumer.
you realise you can do this with disks, and they can not set limits?
You have no control over your digital content because you choose to purchase a license instead of a physical copy of the game. Microsoft was trying to strip any semblance of control away from the user by forcing everyone into the licensing scam. PCs lost that fight years and years ago. I have no intention of helping console games do the same.[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]
No
A disc or a digital license it's the same thing. YOu own a license either way.
Microsoft was trying to allow users control of all their content, not just physical.
I don't see why you would call the 360 perfect when you have no control over your digital products
Jaysonguy
Microsoft was going to give you control over your digital content.
You were going to be able to trade or sell it, something that can't be done this generation and thanks to morons who want fewer rights we wont next generation either.
Why is more control over all your content a bad thing?
Sorry, chum, but no. What they offered you was the illusion of control, and judging by this, they'd just about talked you right out of your panties on that score. Think about it- when you hold a game disc in your hand, what are you holding? You're holding the game. You're holding the ability to play that game on any machine it's compatible with. Now, what were they offering you? They're offering you a way to install that game to ONE machine. Could you play your game on another machine? Sure. As long as you have your profile with you. And as long as you're willing to waste the first 45 minutes or an hour(if PS3 installs are any measure) at your friend's pad installing a game to his HDD(and assuming he even wants to allow you to use up that much of his HDD for a game he won't be able to play once you leave). Microsoft claimed they were giving you more rights over your digital content while (though they sure didn't say this part out loud)stripping the physical medium of any real worth. What happened this generation when your Gamertag was banned? You lose your Arcade and Indie games. You lose your Games on Demand. What'll happen next generation? You lose your entire game library. Every cent you poured into amassing a library of 20-50-100+ games just vanishes. How is that better than being able to at least keep your physical games? How is that offering you more control over anything? And please don't say anything ridiculous like "well then don't get banned," because that isn't the point.
The only solution would have been that you could allow your friends to play your digital games but not your physical ones. As MS wanted to allow you to share the license that came with your physical copies over the cloud, they had to institute the internet check-in or any number of people could be playing the same game at the same time and sales would be lost. MS was trying to do everything and people couldn't take it. The problem was because the backlash was so ridiculous they wiped everything instead of coming up with a middle ground, which was incredibly disappointing.Why couldnt MS do all the stuff they wanted to do, except just simply leave the physical disc alone? Â The physical disc should have been whole and seperate from all the digital stuf they had intended on doing with Xbox One. It just sickens me what they tried to pull on people, their own customers.Â
Videodogg
[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] Sorry, chum, but no. What they offered you was the illusion of control, and judging by this, they'd just about talked you right out of your panties on that score. Think about it- when you hold a game disc in your hand, what are you holding? You're holding the game. You're holding the ability to play that game on any machine it's compatible with. Now, what were they offering you? They're offering you a way to install that game to ONE machine. Could you play your game on another machine? Sure. As long as you have your profile with you. And as long as you're willing to waste the first 45 minutes or an hour(if PS3 installs are any measure) at your friend's pad installing a game to his HDD(and assuming he even wants to allow you to use up that much of his HDD for a game he won't be able to play once you leave). Microsoft claimed they were giving you more rights over your digital content while (though they sure didn't say this part out loud)stripping the physical medium of any real worth. What happened this generation when your Gamertag was banned? You lose your Arcade and Indie games. You lose your Games on Demand. What'll happen next generation? You lose your entire game library. Every cent you poured into amassing a library of 20-50-100+ games just vanishes. How is that better than being able to at least keep your physical games? How is that offering you more control over anything? And please don't say anything ridiculous like "well then don't get banned," because that isn't the point.firefox59You can't use illegal activities as an example against a policy, you just can't. You think we or MS will feel bad for people that get banned? No. Who gives a crap. It's actually ironic cause the example you used is incorrect and backfires on you. As it is now, you will have to take your physical disc to your friends and wait for it to be installed. But with MS's old policies the game could already have been installed over the cloud on 10 other accounts. You would have actually saved that hypothetical 45 minutes, but not anymore. Anything else?.....
What do you mean wait for it to be installed? You mean the 3 minutes quick update after you put the disc in?
OHH the horror of waiting a minute or two, not 45 minutes at all unless you are downloading the whole game, which you could not do on more than one system.
Stupid comment all round
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