how will xbox survive in a bluray world?

ok so we all know hd dvd is dead, like it or not, and xbox currently doesnt support bluray, i dont thinkn microsoft will buckle to a sony inovation either. so how will microsoft remain competative not now, but in the future when games get too large for a dual layer dvd? mgs 4 is so massive it uses the dual layer feature on bluray! i love microsoft, and i will buy a 360 very soon. but what i want to know is, if there is a way besides making 3 4 or even 5 disks for a game. at the moment most companies that do multi system dont even use the space on blue ray, ea normaly tops out at 12 or 14 gbs on ps3 games, at most, its not worth the effort when you can just use the data they use on 360 and in some cases wii. not efficient. plain and simple, why spend months programing more than tripple the data to make use of bluray....

well anyway, im a little worried personaly about games in the future if microsoft doesnt have a way to adapt, and unless there is a early release of the 720 that i have read they have been working on, or started recently.

what can be done? this is not a ps3 vs 360 debate! this is a discusion about the future of microsoft, so please people, keep it peaceful!

what is microsofts ace in the hole!

The movie war does not equal the gaming war.

Blue Ray is not really that much better than dvd in any way besides space. Blue Ray reads much slower, hence the installs for the PS3. Personally I do not think Blue Ray is the next DVD.

I don't think MS really needs to advance to compete. If they go for all digital, problem solved?

honestly, you act like its the end of the world. cmon, its technology! theyre constantly devising, creating, and solving new ways to make things. something new will eventually be invented to replace dvd or any problems with dvd storage. besides, as it is now, dvds are still selling way more popular than bluray discs are. MGS4 is not the standard at this moment - it is the exception! so, to you, i say dont even worry about it right now. if games ever have the need to ALWAYS be that large, im sure microsoft will think of something

honestly, you act like its the end of the world. cmon, its technology! theyre constantly devising, creating, and solving new ways to make things. something new will eventually be invented to replace dvd or any problems with dvd storage. besides, as it is now, dvds are still selling way more popular than bluray discs are. MGS4 is not the standard at this moment - it is the exception! so, to you, i say dont even worry about it right now. if games ever have the need to ALWAYS be that large, im sure microsoft will think of something

mattg90520

no more space just equals more polish. all that means is more pizazz, more sparkle, more tiny details that only improve visual quality. that doesnt mean a better game. in fact, it could mean a crappier game with better visuals because the devs spent too much time trying to fill a huge format dvd with extra little details.

if microsoft needs more space, theyll invent somethings. its not as if bluray is the only possible solution, or even still, the final evolution of cd.

Personally I do not think Blue Ray is the next DVD.

Mau-Justice

That debate is already over...Blue Ray is the next DVD.

The bluray is nothing more than the beta max of our time and it died out. Short and simplezellwood69

Meh... http://www.dvdtown.com/news/new-surveys-show-blu-ray-expanding/5611

HD-DVD = Beta Max

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Personally I do not think Blue Ray is the next DVD.

PvtGump8

That debate is already over...Blue Ray is the next DVD.

Uh.......no. Beating HD-DVD doesn't mean you won the format war. Blu-Ray sales have not changed since HD-DVD bowed out, and on it's BEST months, Blu-Ray sales make up 7% of the market compared to DVDs 93%. So, what Blu-Ray world are you living in?

the thing is tho, bluray is the best thing out at the moment, like it or not. idk i guess if microsoft really wanted they could use some winzip kind of thing or file compressor, but all i want is ideas, personaly i am not going to waste my money on a bluray stuff, but what i am sayin is, ps3 will have some great titles, like it or not, that simply cant be done on 360 with space issues kojima already said this with mgs4, i hope you understand my point, im not worried, but just curious as to how this will look and turn out in a year or twocodemasterzxc

the only title ps3 has that 360 couldnt do due to space constraints is mgs4 because they put so much video in the game. im sure 360 could run mgs4 without it.

The bluray is nothing more than the beta max of our time and it died out. Short and simplezellwood69

no the beta max of our time is hddvd. and of course dvd is outselling bluray. bluray players and movies are more expensive but when they drop in price and more people get it more people will buy bluray than dvd. do you think dvd outsold vhs when it first came out, of course not. bluray will slowly take over once more people get hdtvs and especially when the cable companies switch to digital.

anyways back on topic if it comes to making multiple dvds for a game i dont have a problem with it. it doesnt take to much work to switch the disc. lost odyssey was a great game and it didnt bother me one bit, if anything it made the game seem more epic. microsoft will have no problem competing

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Personally I do not think Blue Ray is the next DVD.

DZBricktop

That debate is already over...Blue Ray is the next DVD.

Uh.......no. Beating HD-DVD doesn't mean you won the format war. Blu-Ray sales have not changed since HD-DVD bowed out, and on it's BEST months, Blu-Ray sales make up 7% of the market compared to DVDs 93%. So, what Blu-Ray world are you living in?

I can't believe people still buy physical disks these days?

In a world where iTunes sells more music than any physical disk store, digital download is the future.

I think the xbox video rental service is cheaper, convinient and doesn't bring as much clutter as having a physical blueray disk.

I don't think microsoft has anything to worry about. Plus, Dvd sales still greatly outsell blueray

Two ways:

1.) Advanced compression technologies that allow much more than 9 GB of data onto a DVD. Xbox 360 games already use this, it works, and it's getting better all the time.

2.) Digital distribution. MS is making a huge play here, and has made great advances. Think about it, you can now download whole Xbox games that used to need to fit onto a DVD. Pretty soon, MS will be distributing much more stuff digitally, such as the GTA IV extra content.

What you can't underestimate is just how much money MS has. If they needed HD-DVD to win in order for the Xbox 360 to survive, they could have simply given away HD-DVD players, and basically made the 360 free. They didn't do this because they didn't need HD-DVD. They know that people are getting used to the idea of not having physical media. I for one rarely buy CDs any more, and a lot of other people don't either. They use iTunes or Zune or whatever.

The cynic in me thinks that MS's half-arsed backing of HD-DVD was deliberate. They put just enough money behind it to make Sony think it was a credible threat and force them to drop the price of BluRay players and the PS3 much more rapidly than they otherwise would have, thus costing Sony a lot of money. All the while, MS are planning, developing and rolling out a digital distribution network that is second to none - no need for HD storage media. It would not surprise me if Microsoft's next console didn't have a disc drive at all, while Sony's PSN lags behind and they are stuck with a relatively primitive distribution network based on physically moving bits of plastic around.

were you under a rock when they had the hddvd player on 360? and the title is just about microsofts way of fighting in likly blueray future... and microsoft not even fully using their own format in their system seems like a white flag to me in that area, sad to say it too, since i was rooting for ms anyway

nicely stated grayoldwolf, hats off to you! but wouldnt you need a good internet connection for that, and arent companies starting to debate on transfering from not the speed of your plan but the size of your downloads?

were you under a rock when they had the hddvd player on 360? and the title is just about microsofts way of fighting in likly blueray future... and microsoft not even fully using their own format in their system seems like a white flag to me in that area, sad to say it too, since i was rooting for ms anyway

codemasterzxc

YOU'RE the one saying its about games not movies. The HD-DVD add-on was NEVER for games, ONLY movies. Get your head straight and make up your mind about what this topic is supposed to be about. You say Blu-Ray won, everyone says DVDs outsell it, you say its about the gaming format not movies, i say the 360 format is DVD, and you go back to the HD-DVD add-on that only played movies? This has GOT to be a joke right?

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were you under a rock when they had the hddvd player on 360? and the title is just about microsofts way of fighting in likly blueray future... and microsoft not even fully using their own format in their system seems like a white flag to me in that area, sad to say it too, since i was rooting for ms anyway

DZBricktop

YOU'RE the one saying its about games not movies. The HD-DVD add-on was NEVER for games, ONLY movies. Get your head straight and make up your mind about what this topic is supposed to be about. You say Blu-Ray won, everyone says DVDs outsell it, you say its about the gaming format not movies, i say the 360 format is DVD, and you go back to the HD-DVD add-on that only played movies? This has GOT to be a joke right?

I think the better question is how will Blue-ray survive in a world with so many superior formats?

The answer is it won't and will be vastly obsolete in a year or two.
PiNwOrM

That would be a good argument except all the major movie studios say Blue-ray will be here far a long time.

ok so we all know hd dvd is dead, like it or not, and xbox currently doesnt support bluray, i dont thinkn microsoft will buckle to a sony inovation either. so how will microsoft remain competative not now, but in the future when games get too large for a dual layer dvd? mgs 4 is so massive it uses the dual layer feature on bluray! i love microsoft, and i will buy a 360 very soon. but what i want to know is, if there is a way besides making 3 4 or even 5 disks for a game. at the moment most companies that do multi system dont even use the space on blue ray, ea normaly tops out at 12 or 14 gbs on ps3 games, at most, its not worth the effort when you can just use the data they use on 360 and in some cases wii. not efficient. plain and simple, why spend months programing more than tripple the data to make use of bluray....

well anyway, im a little worried personaly about games in the future if microsoft doesnt have a way to adapt, and unless there is a early release of the 720 that i have read they have been working on, or started recently.

what can be done? this is not a ps3 vs 360 debate! this is a discusion about the future of microsoft, so please people, keep it peaceful!

what is microsofts ace in the hole!

codemasterzxc

The 360 is based around Live, and Live is based around digital distribution. Digital distribution is the future of media. It's more convient, and cheaper. Once a person gets used to getting the movie,tv, music, etc content with the click of a button, instead of leaving your house to drive to a store and search for what you want, it no longer seems like the cheapest, and easiest way to get the media content that you want. Xbox Live is already making head way in this arena. When I had a ps3, I watched several blu-ray movies, but after the initial excitement wore off, I went back to renting and buying media content from Live. It's just more convient and a helluva lot cheaper.

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were you under a rock when they had the hddvd player on 360? and the title is just about microsofts way of fighting in likly blueray future... and microsoft not even fully using their own format in their system seems like a white flag to me in that area, sad to say it too, since i was rooting for ms anyway

codemasterzxc

YOU'RE the one saying its about games not movies. The HD-DVD add-on was NEVER for games, ONLY movies. Get your head straight and make up your mind about what this topic is supposed to be about. You say Blu-Ray won, everyone says DVDs outsell it, you say its about the gaming format not movies, i say the 360 format is DVD, and you go back to the HD-DVD add-on that only played movies? This has GOT to be a joke right?

Your arguments just dont make any sense to me. HD-DVD wasnt Microsofts format. It was Toshibas. You seem to think the Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD format was Sony vs Microsoft and it wasnt. But youre right, lets move on to something else. How about HVDs? A format that holds 3.9 terabytes, 160 times the Blu-Ray, and has a transfer rate of 1 gig a second. Sure it costs an absurd amount, but does it really matter? LOL

[QUOTE="zellwood69"]The bluray is nothing more than the beta max of our time and it died out. Short and simplethe_animals

no the beta max of our time is hddvd. and of course dvd is outselling bluray. bluray players and movies are more expensive but when they drop in price and more people get it more people will buy bluray than dvd. do you think dvd outsold vhs when it first came out, of course not. bluray will slowly take over once more people get hdtvs and especially when the cable companies switch to digital.

anyways back on topic if it comes to making multiple dvds for a game i dont have a problem with it. it doesnt take to much work to switch the disc. lost odyssey was a great game and it didnt bother me one bit, if anything it made the game seem more epic. microsoft will have no problem competing

When is this happening?