I almost want to quit video games.

What is up with every game coming out now? Seems like the trend is to release a fresh game with huge hype and then while the hype is still strong, "Hay lets put out some DLC a week after! We can charge whatever the hell we want because gamers these days are suckers!"Of course it's because they, the developers, are so pressed for time that they simply could not put that 30mins-2hours worth of lousy content in the final release. Death to developers for purposely releasing unfinished games with the intent of milking your loyal fans with content you already have set, created, and completed.

4srs...this is messed up.

I understand where you're coming from, but DLC is optional. But I do agree that most DLC is overpriced for what it is (example: MW2 maps...just ridiculous)

I totally agree. Like I just posted in the thread about the MW2 map pack, the sales for the game have topped one billion dollars. Including marketing and everything, the final development cost was around 200 million. They made over 800 million dollars off of that game. EIGHT HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. That's like some ludicrous amount of money a Bond Villain would ask for or something. And then they want us to pay for a few new maps? Like "Hey, thanks for making us filthy stinking rich... how about some more cash for some crap we just churned out? I need to hire a new fleet of maids to clean the crap stains off of the golden toilet you suckers bought me!"

How about devoting a dollar of every map pack sold to disaster relief or something? They don't need more money. Makes me sick.

I totally agree. Like I just posted in the thread about the MW2 map pack, the sales for the game have topped one billion dollars. Including marketing and everything, the final development cost was around 200 million. They made over 800 million dollars off of that game. EIGHT HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. That's like some ludicrous amount of money a Bond Villain would ask for or something. And then they want us to pay for a few new maps? Like "Hey, thanks for making us filthy stinking rich... how about some more cash for some crap we just churned out? I need to hire a new fleet of maids to clean the crap stains off of the golden toilet you suckers bought me!"

How about devoting a dollar of every map pack sold to disaster relief or something? They don't need more money. Makes me sick.

decepticondevil

800 million?! Holy dang. That's a lot of money.

Also, I like your idea for disaster relief.

....gamers these days are suckers!

Nocturnal15

Don't buy DLC.

I know what your saying, Bioshock 2 has DLC that you have to pay for to unlock from the disc, you already paid for it but now you have to pay again to unlock it raylewisnfl52

i guess we can thank capcom for that(Vs Mode rip off BS)

And then they want us to pay for a few new maps?

decepticondevil

You work for free?

That's fine if you don't want to be paid but I think it's wrong that you think no one in the world should get money for working

I know what your saying, Bioshock 2 has DLC that you have to pay for to unlock from the disc, you already paid for it but now you have to pay again to unlock it raylewisnfl52

only game that I buy dlc for is halo

I understand where you're coming from, but DLC is optional. But I do agree that most DLC is overpriced for what it is (example: MW2 maps...just ridiculous)

theintrospect79

The DLC that comes out as soon as a game is set out is kind of lame, it would be better over all even for the developers to wait a month to release it being that more people wont think it's a rip off; but as many people have already said its an optional payment.

What really gets me is when a Game DLC is set out almost a year after a game and its an epic let down, Lacking content and reusing almost everything from previous games adding no originality other then a brief glimpse at what could have been good. A good example is the recent Resident evil DLC, although desperate escape is continuous action its lacking any depth and really seems slapped together. Lost in Nightmares is a joke, recycled maps, even most of the readable content was just from previous games. Not to mention rushing through it is about 20min long.

Yes,sometimes the developer do hold out on certain titles to get extra cash on a game, butthis isn'talways the case.People have to remember that the developers must have some hands off time before the release. In some cases they want to put some stuff into a game but it's not completed in enough time before the release. But when they want to charge some ridiculous amount of money for a map that's unfair!

[QUOTE="Nocturnal15"]

....gamers these days are suckers!

Palantas

Don't buy DLC.

+1

[QUOTE="theintrospect79"]

I understand where you're coming from, but DLC is optional. But I do agree that most DLC is overpriced for what it is (example: MW2 maps...just ridiculous)

Legolas_Katarn

I think the price for those were too high too. I guess it all depends on how much you play the game and are willing to pay for extra maps.

Honestly it doesn't bother me that much; if a game is worth it I'll sacrifice one lunch in the week for some DLC. What I hate is restricting content (or more specifically online modes) through DLC purchases -- like Halo 3. I wanted to play some Team Swat the other day but wasn't allowed because I wouldn't shell out more dough? Come on, just let me use my maps...

Geebus trolls...This is why I quit these forums. Don't tell me not to buy DLC. I already hardly ever purchase DLC unless I am madly in love with the game (Borderlands for instance). However, when I see games I really like and am considering purchasing get boat loads of DLC the week after or even the month after, then that just tells me greed>customer satisfaction/loyalty. Are you people really that foolish enough to believe that developers make such content that fast and put it out as dlc a week or even a month after street release? LOLOLOLOL Whatever happened to developers actually giving a rats tail about us? Lets take a comparable look at American cars. We, The Divided States of America, have a crapton of advanced technology at our disposal (refer toour military). How is it that not one American car manufacturer could be honest and just release an overall reliable car? Why do they always break so fast and thus causing the consumer to put extra money into it for no good reason? Look at all the japanese car makers...they are making a killing because they always put their customers first before the lining of their pockets. We live in a dog eat dog, dishonest society.

this trend has pretty much stopped me from buying new games. re5 is the one that really did it for me. that vs mode on the launch day really got to me. that was the last new game i bought and i got it on release day. now its all about used or goty editions if their the final version. i just picked up masseffect with the bonus content brand new for $17 on clearance. i would have bought it along time ago for more money but i knew they were gonna drop some more dlc on it so i waited. on a side note if you just buy used games and dont buy new like i do because of the dlc lameness going around your really screwing the devs twice. their really starting to get upset at used game sales cause they get zero money from those combined with the lose of dlc revenue. thats just my way of sticking it to the man for his greed. i didnt have a problem spending 60 on a game but im not gonna drop more money on it so i have the privalage of playing them.kit352

I concur with this post. I think many were affected by such course of action by a top developer. I've held out on several Grade A games and I am glad I did. I probably will pick up ACII a year from now.

I know what your saying, Bioshock 2 has DLC that you have to pay for to unlock from the disc, you already paid for it but now you have to pay again to unlock it raylewisnfl52

I totally agree. Like I just posted in the thread about the MW2 map pack, the sales for the game have topped one billion dollars. Including marketing and everything, the final development cost was around 200 million. They made over 800 million dollars off of that game. EIGHT HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.

decepticondevil

You can go check out Activision's SEC filings, which show a 113-million dollar net income for 2009 (coming off a 107-million dollar loss in 2008 ). Out of that, they still have to pay their shareholders, and then they have to invest money into improving their infrastructure (you know, so they can make better games), and any number of other things I don't know about, since I'm not going to pretend to be a corporate accountant.

Anyway, 800 minus 200 does not equal 600 in profits.

I think the RE5 DLC is priced well.

Then don't buy games anymore.

I think the RE5 DLC is priced well.

dovberg

Its priced ok, but not worth it in the end sadly.

did you think the dlc they charged to unlock multiplayer the day it came out was well priced too? it wasnt even a dl it was a pass key for content that was already on the disc you just bought an hour ago on its first day of release.kit352

I only bought the VS content about a week ago when Desperate Escape came out, so yeah it was priced correctly for me.

You work for free?

That's fine if you don't want to be paid but I think it's wrong that you think no one in the world should get money for working

Jaysonguy

It is not really about working for free. The argument is more about paying for content that should very well have been in the final cut of the game to begin with or, better yet, get released as FREE DLC like the PC has seen since the beginning of gaming. That is why this whole "micro-transaction" fad is a big joke, but at this point I fear that it is going to be cemented into the game world for the generations to come. Who knows what $60 will get you in the future? Will it allow you to put in a disc with a hub world, containing worlds in which you can only play if you pay a fee on top of the initial $60? That is what I am afraid of...and at this point, I feel that my fears are justified. If this is the case, then I simply will not invest in games in the future.

On a side note, I am completely pleased when a game does not get any DLC after launch whatsoever, a la Darksiders.

That's exactly why i only buy like 5 games a year now.

[QUOTE="decepticondevil"]

And then they want us to pay for a few new maps?

Jaysonguy

You work for free?

That's fine if you don't want to be paid but I think it's wrong that you think no one in the world should get money for working

I don't think they need that much money.

lazyathew

Well how much money do they need then?

i gotta agree with most of the ppl in here in that just don't buy it...i know me and my friends arent going too. it really does suck that they overprice things this much its ridiculous

I'm rather sure that in the end it isn't the developer that sets the prices, it's MS. How about you lash out at them too? Because I rarely hear anyone do that, it's always the developer. I do agree with the fact that any developer withholding content from the gamer unless they pay for it, when the content is already on the disc, is a completely evil company. Ghost_702

I don't care who sets the prices. Stop trying to be a genius. It's the developers that choose to release the content on the disc. You know what was a classic example...Burnout Paradise. That map was obviously incomplete. The only reason I don't have a grudge is because they didn't release the content a week, month or 2 months after the game was released. They decided to play it smart and wait it out. The whole thing with halo is funny. You people are complaining like brats but it's not like they released the maps shortly after the game came out. If you really love halo then drop the spare change for a few maps,all of which come with ODST. You were probably going to spend the 60$ on something stupid anyways.

EDIT

Why should we gamers have to not buy a game because of shady business practices? I could have swore we played games because it is a hobby we love. We shouldn't have to get nickeled and dimed by developers. Gaming was fine before all this DLC hooplah.

DLC seems to be taking the place of cheat codes. Fair enough I guess, they did program it in.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

You work for free?

That's fine if you don't want to be paid but I think it's wrong that you think no one in the world should get money for working

It is not really about working for free. The argument is more about paying for content that should very well have been in the final cut of the game to begin with or, better yet, get released as FREE DLC like the PC has seen since the beginning of gaming. That is why this whole "micro-transaction" fad is a big joke, but at this point I fear that it is going to be cemented into the game world for the generations to come. Who knows what $60 will get you in the future? Will it allow you to put in a disc with a hub world, containing worlds in which you can only play if you pay a fee on top of the initial $60? That is what I am afraid of...and at this point, I feel that my fears are justified. If this is the case, then I simply will not invest in games in the future.

On a side note, I am completely pleased when a game does not get any DLC after launch whatsoever, a la Darksiders.

Just stop supporting the developers/publishers that do this. Buy your games used so they wont see a dime from you. I bought RE5 used because I didn't want them to get a penny out of me.

When I 've finished a game; the last thing I want is D.L.C..

Meaning I need something completely different.

You work for free?

That's fine if you don't want to be paid but I think it's wrong that you think no one in the world should get money for working

Jaysonguy

You work for free?

That's fine if you don't want to be paid but I think it's wrong that you think no one in the world should get money for working

Arguments in this thread are getting worse and worse. People like to whine. A couple years ago, "Games are getting too expensive these days" was the common thing to whine about. DLC becoming commonplace gives whiners something new to whine about. This is unfortunate, as whining about DLC is just mostly BS, whereas whining about $60-per-game is complete and total BS.

Run through this with me:

1. Is DLC a good or bad thing? Yes/No
2. If yes, should DLC be free? Yes/No
3. If no, then how much should DLC cost?

Now, most whiners want stuff for free, but they won't just come out and say that, or they'll get made fun of. I think most people are going to get to question three up there. My answer to question three is: The amount the market will support. If you think that's too much, well, there's a reason. Companies have learned that gamers will pay out the ass for DLC. They've learned that people, lots of people, will drop $12 for a couple maps, or $6 for horse armor.

Whose fault is it that DLC is ubiquitously expensive? Is it the fault of the game publishers, who aren't living up to some socialist ideal of intentionally selling products for less than they can get for them? No. It's your fault. Yeah you, who gobbled up every expansion and map pack to come your way, and are now getting ready to whine to the forum about how the lastest and greatest DLC is too expensive. If it's too expensive, then don't ****ing buy it. If enough people are selective about the DLC they buy, either prices will drop or game companies will include more content in their DLC.

I've got some more...

Yeah, I get what a lot of people are specificallycomplaining about here: Developers who exclude features from launch just so they can sell them as DLC. The solution is the same: Don't buy it. If you believe a product is shoddy, and you still buy it, you're admitting to being a sucker. If you didn't know DLC was shoddy, then you're probably lazy. The fact that you're on a gaming website indicates you have the means and technical know-how to get on the Internet and look **** up. This isn't like the old days of gaming, where you just had to take a guess and hope a game was good, based on its attractive box art. Note:TV ads for games are not a good source for impartial data.

And on the subject of how much DLC "should" cost...

It is impossible for a company to price-gouge you on a game. Videogames do not fall into the category of items like food, water, transportation, energy, and so on. Games are a luxury product. Nobody needs games. I've read comments here like, "Gaming companies don't need that much money," which is a pretty ridiculous thing to say, since nobody needs games either.

Apparently, some extreme whiners think there needs to be some sort of command economy when it comes to gaming. I guess they think the government should appoint a committee of whiners who will determine each year what games will be made and how much they will cost. This sort of system has worked really well in the past when applied to all aspects of a country's economy. :roll:

Arguments in this thread are getting worse and worse. People like to whine. A couple years ago, "Games are getting too expensive these days" was the common thing to whine about. DLC becoming commonplace gives whiners something new to whine about. This is unfortunate, as whining about DLC is just mostly BS, whereas whining about $60-per-game is complete and total BS.

Run through this with me:

1. Is DLC a good or bad thing? Yes/No
2. If yes, should DLC be free? Yes/No
3. If no, then how much should DLC cost?

Now, most whiners want stuff for free, but they won't just come out and say that, or they'll get made fun of. I think most people are going to get to question three up there. My answer to question three is: The amount the market will support. If you think that's too much, well, there's a reason. Companies have learned that gamers will pay out the ass for DLC. They've learned that people, lots of people, will drop $12 for a couple maps, or $6 for horse armor.

Whose fault is it that DLC is ubiquitously expensive? Is it the fault of the game publishers, who aren't living up to some socialist ideal of intentionally selling products for less than they can get for them? No. It's your fault. Yeah you, who gobbled up every expansion and map pack to come your way, and are now getting ready to whine to the forum about how the lastest and greatest DLC is too expensive. If it's too expensive, then don't ****ing buy it. If enough people are selective about the DLC they buy, either prices will drop or game companies will include more content in their DLC.

I've got ome more...

Yeah, I get what a lot of people are specificallycomplaining about here: Developers who exclude features from launch just so they can sell them as DLC. The solution is the same: Don't buy it. If you believe a product is shoddy, and you still buy it, you're admitting to being a sucker. If you didn't know DLC was shoddy, then you're probably lazy. The fact that you're on a gaming website indicates you have the means and technical know-how to get on the Internet and look **** up. This isn't like the old days of gaming, where you just had to take a guess and hope a game was good, based on its attractive box art. Note:TV ads for games are not a good source for impartial data.

And on the subject of how much DLC "should" cost...

It is impossible for a company to price-gouge you on a game. Videogames do not fall into the category of items like food, water, transportation, energy, and so on. Games are a luxury product. Nobody needs games. I've read comments here like, "Gaming companies don't need that much money," which is a pretty ridiculous thing to say, since nobody needs games either.

Apparently, some extreme whiners think there needs to be some sort of command economy when it comes to gaming. I guess they think the government should appoint a committee of whiners who will determine each year what games will be made and how much they will cost. This sort of system has worked really well in the past when applied to all aspects of a country's economy. :roll:

Palantas

Completely agree, spot on, and full of win. One Million Internets to you. I have a neutral opinion towards DLC (i buy it on games that i like and are not total ripoffs), but people are just too stupid to just avoid all the bad DLC and avoid it and/or embrace the DLC that is actually worthwhile. Unfortunately people forgot all about the technique of boycotting and using capitalism to their advantage these days.

Geebus trolls.

Nocturnal15

Don't tell me not to buy DLC.

Nocturnal15

The "Divided States of America" *epic facepalm* is not a communist regime, regardless of what we think about our government these days. You're not forced into buying these things. Unfortunately people would rather moan about capitalism, communism, and all that rather than work the system in their favor. If you think that way, you should just emigrate to an actual communist country.

What is up with every game coming out now? Seems like the trend is to release a fresh game with huge hype and then while the hype is still strong, "Hay lets put out some DLC a week after! We can charge whatever the hell we want because gamers these days are suckers!"Of course it's because they, the developers, are so pressed for time that they simply could not put that 30mins-2hours worth of lousy content in the final release. Death to developers for purposely releasing unfinished games with the intent of milking your loyal fans with content you already have set, created, and completed.

4srs...this is messed up.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

You work for free?

That's fine if you don't want to be paid but I think it's wrong that you think no one in the world should get money for working

Sepewrath

Completely wrong

Know what it's like?

Going to a restaurant and having a great meal and then the waiter offers you a special dessert.

Do you expect them to make you the dessert for free?

Well apparently you and the thread creator thinks that just because you bought the meal you should get the dessert for free

I find it hilarious how many people think that others should never get paid for their work