I just don't like Bethesda.

There is just something OFF about their games. Its been to long since I tried Oblivion so i can't comment on it but with Fallout 3 there are a bunch of little things that bother me.

-First and foremost is the crap littered everywhere. Im sure alot of people think this makes the game so realistic to have crates and boxes and laundry detergent and lawnmower blades scattered everywhere to where if they are laying on the ground or on a table you can point the cursor at them and interact with them. But to me it makes the game even more fake. Why can I interact with some things and noth others. It just makes the game so tedious looking for crap. And THEN they limit your damn inventory so bad. Now I only pick up good stuff and I sell it off regularly to keep my inventory free but holy crap why limit it at all when you are going to toss all these bullcrap items at me. The way it should have worked is that there would be rubble piles or boxes of crates where everything that was in the room would be in those. Or it would be cool if you went into a room and could just open up an inventory screen that showed everything in the room.

-Second is the camera and movement. It so pisses me off that you cant fully rotate the camera horozontally so you can see your freaking character or see them in your inventory/pipboy screen. And I hate that your constantly running around in strafe mode. Unless you physically turn your characer they just keep facing the direction they were facing which makes you walk sideways instead of turn and walk normally. I just hate seeing unnatural body movement in a game.

-The repair system. Its alright but why couldnt they make it so instead of just repairing a gun/armor you instead upgrade them. You would be able to make your own armor and weapons. Like each thing you squish together just gives your weapon/armor +1. Or you could transfer over "effects".

-Traps. Besides items being scatter around this is also a really painful part of the game. Having to look around in the dark, poorly lit areas of the game for booby traps and mines bogs down the gameplay so much. Between looking around for items and looking around for traps running through areas is painfully slow.

I just think Bethesda makes some ugly, slow paced, empty games. Im plodding my way through the game still and will continue to do so but this game hasnt had anthing that has wowed me except for the VATS system. Oblivion doesnt even have that.

There is just something OFF about their games. Its been to long since I tried Oblivion so i can't comment on it but with Fallout 3 there are a bunch of little things that bother me.

-First and foremost is the crap littered everywhere. Im sure alot of people think this makes the game so realistic to have crates and boxes and laundry detergent and lawnmower blades scattered everywhere to where if they are laying on the ground or on a table you can point the cursor at them and interact with them. But to me it makes the game even more fake. Why can I interact with some things and noth others. It just makes the game so tedious looking for crap. And THEN they limit your damn inventory so bad. Now I only pick up good stuff and I sell it off regularly to keep my inventory free but holy crap why limit it at all when you are going to toss all these bullcrap items at me. The way it should have worked is that there would be rubble piles or boxes of crates where everything that was in the room would be in those. Or it would be cool if you went into a room and could just open up an inventory screen that showed everything in the room.

-Second is the camera and movement. It so pisses me off that you cant fully rotate the camera horozontally so you can see your freaking character or see them in your inventory/pipboy screen. And I hate that your constantly running around in strafe mode. Unless you physically turn your characer they just keep facing the direction they were facing which makes you walk sideways instead of turn and walk normally. I just hate seeing unnatural body movement in a game.

-The repair system. Its alright but why couldnt they make it so instead of just repairing a gun/armor you instead upgrade them. You would be able to make your own armor and weapons. Like each thing you squish together just gives your weapon/armor +1. Or you could transfer over "effects".

-Traps. Besides items being scatter around this is also a really painful part of the game. Having to look around in the dark, poorly lit areas of the game for booby traps and mines bogs down the gameplay so much. Between looking around for items and looking around for traps running through areas is painfully slow.

I just think Bethesda makes some ugly, slow paced, empty games. Im plodding my way through the game still and will continue to do so but this game hasnt had anthing that has wowed me except for the VATS system. Oblivion doesnt even have that.

_AbBaNdOn

I dont understand when you say you dont like all the iteams everywhere but then complain and say everything should be interactable and not just certain iteams. And you can look at your character like the guy said above me. there are also ways to get around having to dissarm traps, its one of the perks i think silent running or something like that. And when you say you want to enter a room and want a invintory list of all the iteams i just dont see how they could incorperate that into the game. Also having all the rubble in the corner of a room how is that realistic did someone just come and clean all the rooms and then jsut leave i mean some rooms could have that but everyroom just sounds too unreasonable. To me it just sounds like you didnt like Fallout 3 not so much Bethesda.

I disagree also... You crave for realism everywhere in your note but still you recommend having a pop-up inventory window providing you with the useful items each time you enter a room?

Also, how realistic would it be if you could carry 300 items like you would love to have?

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you... this game is realistic (as much as a game can be REAL in a FICTICIOUS environment).

I disagree also... You crave for realism everywhere in your note but still you recommend having a pop-up inventory window providing you with the useful items each time you enter a room?

Also, how realistic would it be if you could carry 300 items like you would love to have?

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you... this game is realistic (as much as a game can be REAL in a FICTICIOUS environment).

Lord_Drax

I'm afraid I don't really agree with the points made either. Personally, I enjoy having to sift thorugh a room full of rubbish to find that one ammo clip I need or that one crucial stimpack, being able to acces a rooms total 'inventory' would seem too arcade-esque for the type of experience a game like Fallout delivers. As for the player inventory, I like the fact you can't carry a minigun, a gatling laser and all other manner of power weapons and heavy armour all at once, it just makes the experience a little more authentic. (I do realise that super mutants and ghouls aren't toally realistic either, but I hope you understand where I'm coming from).

I realise I mainly focused on Fallout 3 here, but it's been a while since I played Oblivion :P

Yeah well... I don't like them either... but it's because they're catering to the console and have over simplified things. You have to remember that Beth got their start from PC RPG's, where a slow style and over-complexity is expected. The more of a simulation a game was, the more accepted it was for the PC crowd. Most PC'ers will even tell you that Oblivion, was modified too heavly for console play and that they didn't like it. You'll likely hear that Morrowind was better.

Regardless.... it's becoming the norm. Developers are catering to the console and porting to the PC, because there is just more profit to be made that way. All you have to do is research the complaints from the PC crowd about F.E.A.R 2, to verify the trend. It's just taking Beth longer in figuring out what console play is really about...

As for your laundry detergent complaint.... well, they seem to be mainly used for creating enhanced weapons. As for the other random liter, they are mainly for ammo with a certain home-built launcher. Although, I find pool balls to be the most useful for that launcher weapon.

Umm... you can flip the camera around.... at least you can on the PC version. I don't do it often, so I don't quite remember what you do. But, I think, you just hold down the 3rd to 1st person viewpoint toggle, and then rotate with the mouse while holding the button down. Have no idea if it's the same for the Xbox.... Another feature most dont' realize is that you hold down the PIP toggle to activate the Flashlight. And you hold down the reload ammo button to Hoster the weapon. Although, again, this is for the PC's mouse and keyboard.... have no idea if it's the same for a gamepad.

The game already has an upgrade feature built into it.... via all that random liter you've just complaned about, and schematics that you can buy from random NPC's merchants, so I guess that's the main reason why they didn't do that with the repair command.

A complant on Traps and it slowing down the game? Heh. Most likley a PC carry over features that's more suited for a mouse and keyboard, which pretty much goes back to my first comment.

i agree kinda... i mean fallout and oblivion were fun as hell at first but once you beat it was like wow. this sucks. i have tried to play both oblivion and fallout 3 with the exxpanisions and i just can't get into it. its like bland almost. empty. i think bethesda uses the copy and paste trick too much too. everything starts to look the same eventually. its like a bad lsd trip....

and p.s morrowind the elder scrolls was the **** still play it on my comp. beat it like seven times

everyone is entitled to their own opinion but i would like to point out ...... no matter how realistic a video game is supposed to seem its not, thats the point of a video game if i wanted a game to be realistic and boring i would do stuff in real life and not spend my time playing video games.

plus the stuff you are pointing out is very very miniscule in comparisson to the rest of the game that and they are preferences you prefer not to see junk litered everywhere i think it adds depth to the environments. anywho thats what i think

-First and foremost is the crap littered everywhere. Im sure alot of people think this makes the game so realistic to have crates and boxes and laundry detergent and lawnmower blades scattered everywhere to where if they are laying on the ground or on a table you can point the cursor at them and interact with them. But to me it makes the game even more fake. Why can I interact with some things and noth others. It just makes the game so tedious looking for crap. And THEN they limit your damn inventory so bad. Now I only pick up good stuff and I sell it off regularly to keep my inventory free but holy crap why limit it at all when you are going to toss all these bullcrap items at me. The way it should have worked is that there would be rubble piles or boxes of crates where everything that was in the room would be in those. Or it would be cool if you went into a room and could just open up an inventory screen that showed everything in the room.

You don't have to pick up everything, your supposed to pick up the expensive, light-weight stuff to sell (or to keep for yourself.) I'm surprised you went through the entire game not knowing that.

-Second is the camera and movement. It so pisses me off that you cant fully rotate the camera horozontally so you can see your freaking character or see them in your inventory/pipboy screen. And I hate that your constantly running around in strafe mode. Unless you physically turn your characer they just keep facing the direction they were facing which makes you walk sideways instead of turn and walk normally. I just hate seeing unnatural body movement in a game.

Have you ever played any first person shooter ever? Have you even played a video game? That is EXACTLY how the camera and movement (in almost every game ever, if I may add) are supposed to work.

-The repair system. Its alright but why couldnt they make it so instead of just repairing a gun/armor you instead upgrade them. You would be able to make your own armor and weapons. Like each thing you squish together just gives your weapon/armor +1. Or you could transfer over "effects".

Thats not even a complaint, you can make your own weapons. This is the DUMBEST complaint I ever heard of about Fallout 3.

-Traps. Besides items being scatter around this is also a really painful part of the game. Having to look around in the dark, poorly lit areas of the game for booby traps and mines bogs down the gameplay so much. Between looking around for items and looking around for traps running through areas is painfully slow.

You basically just explained why traps are good. They are supposed to be an inconvenience, over wise, this is no point in having traps.

"I hate portal. making portals would never work, its impossible."

I can complain like you for every game.

i think bethesda is not what they've used to be and their golden years are behind them. their best game is morrowind by far

oblivion and fallout 3 are made with consoles in mind, and that is where bethesda is lacking

bethesda trys to make PC type games on the consoles and what comes out is not very good. they should've stuck with the PC, then their games could have been fully realized.