Is Dragon Age 2 the biggest let down this year? * FEW SPOILERS FOR DA:O ONLY*

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#1 gr8scott
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After completing DA2 for the second time, I can't believe I am going to do something I thought I would never do to a Bioware game: Trade it in. I have kept all Bioware games I own: KOTOR, KOTOR 2, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Dragon Age Origins. Even though KOTOR 2 was a let down, I kept it (trade value isn't much now a days). Aside from the graphics, I think DA:O is superior in every other way; including combat. I liked the story and characters in Origins much better. Don't get me wrong, not every character in DA2 was bad. I liked Aveline, Varric, Isabella, Bethany, and Sebastion. However, the others were not very appealing. In DA:O, the only one I didn't really care for was Sten. Also, I won't spoil anything, but the villians were very weak by Bioware's standards. Keep in mind Bioware produced villians like Malak, Loghain, and Saren. I didn't really care for their copy and paste of the same city year after year. I want to explore more than just the city of Kirkwall. It's not awful. DA2 is actually a decent game, but it is clearly inferior to Origins. Staying in the city most of the game was just lame. I just feel like the developers at Bioware could have came up with something much better. They created this Dragon Age universe. There could have been more places to go. That's my opinion. It's almost like you feel caged; caged inside one city. The combat is faster, but it's too repetitive for me. It wasn't as deep as DA:O. I was excited for revamped combat system, but it turns out I liked the older one just a little better, but not much. I guess I was mostly disappointed with the story and characters and lack of choices when compared to DA:O. I won't spoil it for those that haven't played Origins, but when you get to a certain point in the city of Denerim, you have to make a choice that can affect the outcome of the game. A choice between which side you want. I never got that kind of choice in DA2. There were also points in DA:O where if you made the wrong choice, your party members would turn on you at that spot. There is never really that feeling in DA2. Dragon Age 2 is like this. It's a huge dark cloud but has its moments of shine through the clouds from time to time, but it's still dark overall. Does anyone else feel that DA2 may be the biggest disappointment in 2011?
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#2 Solid_Sterb
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It was worse than the first one for sure, but I still enjoyed it quite a bit.

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#3 Skarwolf
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I'm still confused that people thought Dragon Age was so good ?

After you complete the starting area you've completed 12% of the game lol... nice to see that. I hear all this hype about Dragon Age start playing and discover this supposed epic adventure is miniscule compared to far superior rpg's like oblivion. I mean with oblivion out there if you're a developer and can't come close to that just don't bother.

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#4 mr_zombie60
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Awww.. I haven't gotten the chance to play the second yet, but that's a shame. I would keep it for the sake of the bioware collection :P

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#5 INF1DEL
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I played the demo of DA 2 and was really disappointed. The graphics were better, but I'd agree that nothing else was really. Haven't heard good things about the story. I couldn't stand the visual design. I thought the darkspawn looked awesome in DAO but they looked so terrible in DA 2. I have mixed feelings about the skill trees. I like them a bit better than the linear version in DAO.
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#6 bessy67
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I'm still confused that people thought Dragon Age was so good ?

After you complete the starting area you've completed 12% of the game lol... nice to see that. I hear all this hype about Dragon Age start playing and discover this supposed epic adventure is miniscule compared to far superior rpg's like oblivion. I mean with oblivion out there if you're a developer and can't come close to that just don't bother.

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Dragon Age...miniscule? My 3 playthroughs were all over 45 hours, and the longest was 65...

Also, while both are rpg's, comparing bioware rpg's to bethesda rpg's is like comparing apples to oranges. Bioware is all about story, character interaction, and choice. Bethesda is all about open world and doing whatever you want.

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#7 thingta42
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I'd call it a let down given the game isn't even close in terms of review scores to the first one.

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#8 Sepewrath
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I would disagree, the game is by far superior to Origins, the companions are more fleshed out, they are characters with personalities instead of archetypes like the party was in Origins. The combat is much smoother and Hawke unlike the Warden is necessary, the reality is, the Warden after the Origins is pretty unnecessary, their just an interchangeable avatar. And when it comes to choices, I think people are simply wowed by the scale of the choices in Origins, because if you pay attention, none of the choices in Origins matter at all. They don't change anything, think back to the major choices you made and you will see that, they meant nothing. All you got was you had character A instead of character B and that's it.

And TC when you mention the party members leaving, that was the worst part of the party system in Origins, first off it was a pure numbers game, you can have someone full approval without ever speaking to them. And things were way to static, you could have given one of your party members a kidney and then five minutes later, they are trying to kill you. In DA2, there are a number of occasions where your party can turn on you or you on them, but they remember what you've done for them, its not a static "this decision discards everything else"

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#9 TTDog
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You get out of the second game what you're prepared to put into it... if you play it as a button masher you get a button masher, invest in the characters and set up the tactics and it becomes a delight to play... even the High Dragon and the two demonic bosses are a doddle to take down if you set your team up right, start out trying to button mash them to death and you get squashed... as you deserve to.

As for a smaller map it only looks smaller because it's one city, you never travelled between areas in the original apart from watching a stain on a map, there are just as many locations to check out in the sequel but they're all in the same city... no big deal.

It's not as epic as the original but it's not a horrific game by any means.

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#10 3KindgomsRandy
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Actually, Origins felt like formulaic generic fantasy to me where as 2 feels more like a living world. I enjoyed both and each had points I liked and disliked, but 2 felt more fresh in general, though I do think the pendulum swung too far towards appealing to action or shooter fans like ME2 did.

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#11 coasterguy65
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TC you played a 35-40 hour game through twice and you consider it a let down?

NO it's hardly the biggest let down this year. As a matter of fact I've quite enjoyed mine, and the only real complaint I have with the game is the re-cycling of dungeons. Of course compared to the original Mass Effect it's really a mute point. How many times did we visit the same two buildings, and the 2 different caves / dungeons in ME?

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#12 coasterguy65
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You get out of the second game what you're prepared to put into it... if you play it as a button masher you get a button masher, invest in the characters and set up the tactics and it becomes a delight to play... even the High Dragon and the two demonic bosses are a doddle to take down if you set your team up right, start out trying to button mash them to death and you get squashed... as you deserve to.

As for a smaller map it only looks smaller because it's one city, you never travelled between areas in the original apart from watching a stain on a map, there are just as many locations to check out in the sequel but they're all in the same city... no big deal.

It's not as epic as the original but it's not a horrific game by any means.

TTDog

This ^^^^ 100%

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#13 gr8scott
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I agree with a lot that is being said. Thank you all for your replies. It is a good game, but I feel like it's not as good as it can be. Lets talk about the DA2 direction. Forget about the story for DA2 for just a moment for this discussion. Imagine you can write the story. Do you believe that this game could have had a better storyline? Better enviornment and areas? Do you wish you could explore the city of Denerim after the blight? See how things are doing in Fereldon after the blight? Maybe see more characters from Origins instead of guest appearances by Alistair, Lilly, and Flemeth for example? I'm not saying the characters and story are terrible. I'm just saying that I believe a company like Bioware CAN do a better job. Afterall, this company produced some epic heroes and villans such as Saren, Revan, Malak, Commander Shepard, and even characters like HK-47 and Wrex. With exception of KOTOR2 (even though it was Obsidian's project), I've never said that about any Bioware game. Could the story or direction for this game have been better? I honestly believe it can be much better. Thoughts?
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#14 Ilovegames1992
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A lot of people are crying about Bioware not staying to the hardcore RPG style but i'm really not that bothered. DA:O was much better but DA 2 didnt disappoint me.

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#15 zombiejonny
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believe it or not i bought the first one and absoluetly hated it and traded it in. I played for like less then an hour and found it very boring. I played the demo of the 2nd one and i like it better because the combat feels more fast paced, im actually gonna pick it up this week.

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#16 philljen
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I'm a Dragon Age fan and completed Origins 6 times so far - still have to complete both dwarf playthroughs. So I was realy excited about DA2 - I think its a great game,I found the combat a great improvement, especially the rogue, which is my favorite class, and the mage and how the staff is being handled.

I also thought they could have given more mapping and exploring areas - being in Kirkwall every year, year after year was a bit lame. But the biggest dissapointment for me was not being able to chat with your companions as often as in Origins and then the ending with no write-up of what happened to your companions and yourself? Like at the end of Origins and Awakening it tells you what happend to Oghren, Leliana, Morrigan, Zevran, Velanna, etc. and what you ended up doing. With DA2 it was really dissapointing when it just ended.

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#17 Sweet_Genocide
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The only thing that bothered me was seeing the same house/cave/warehouse reused over and over. The lack of multiple endings was pretty annoying but it had to end that way to lead into the next installment. It's one of my favorite games this year.

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#18 wretch0101
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I beat DAO in a few days and traded it in. I beat DA2 in a few days and traded it in. I enjoyed both while I played them but after I beat them I had no interest in playing thru again. I didn't feel that the first one was all that much better then the 2nd. both are rentals imo.

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#19 Hakud0ushi
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Its your opinion. i Had a lot of fun, much better than first one.
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#20 ModeDude
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I don't see how this game is supposed to be around 40 hours, my playthroughs tend to be around 24-ish. But I'll be honest, the game is lacking in polish, and it needed more time in development. Sure the story's great, but it's obvious Bioware took shortcuts with the over-use of the same locations, and even some achievements that are broken. Going through time is not a fair compromise for the lack of variety in places, because even over time, locations basically feel the same.
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#21 qbell
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i feel your pain brother. DA:o is one of my favorite games but after reviews and public opinion on this game(da:2) i dont want to give them money for a hack game. hopefully lesson learned for bioware.
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#22 RealKilla_789
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It was defintely the biggest let down for me this year. I personally fell in love with origins, but the sequel felt lower in quality in just about every way.

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#23 thingta42
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Origins felt great. Got it on PC and i fell in love with it and it's story. Even though i only played the Demo for DA:II the combat felt like a mess. The attacks just didnt have power behind them and the animations where bland.

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#24 thingta42
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Origins felt great. Got it on PC and i fell in love with it and it's story. Even though i only played the Demo for DA:II the combat felt like a mess. The attacks just didnt have power behind them and the animations where bland.