Is it time to respect Pachter?-or-Will there be an Elite price drop?

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#1 gatsbythepig
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Michael Pachter believes there will be $100 price drop to the Elite console by the fall. This will be in response to the P$3 price drop.

In this instance I am surprised by $ony's unbelievable price and I think it would be a good idea for M$ to drop the price too. However, I am not sure they will. So, if M$ drops the price for their Elite by mid-October or at least announces a price drop by October 1, I'll start giving Michael Pachter a little respect.

If he's wrong, he goes back in the round file holder(the trash).

What do you think? Is there going to be a price drop for us by the end of Fall?
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Edit- I hope there is a drop. I have a launch console and none of the accessories(controller&headset) stay connectedto the proper quadrant. I want to get a new console to replace my original love.

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#2 Mau-Justice
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I doubt it. This is the PS3's first real cut isn't it? And it's probably just to jack up the price of the slim. If anything it was the PS3 responding to 360 price cuts. It would be sweet if they did, but I don't feel like they owe it to us at all. The consoles worth every penny.
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#3 gatsbythepig
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Wow, I really thought more of you people would be interested by a 1/3 price drop on our favorite console.

Or at least the prospect of once againproving Michael Pachter has a complete disconnect from the market.
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#4 Phoenix534
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Wow, I really thought more of you people would be interested by a 1/3 price drop on our favorite console.

Or at least the prospect of once againproving Michael Pachter has a complete disconnect from the market.
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gatsbythepig

That'd be a 1/4 price cut. And I don't see the need. A $100 price cut and some cheap-o fake model isn't going to send Sony into first place in the sales race. If they do, it just shows how threatening Microsoft thinks the PS3 is. Microsoft had a lot of it's sales from it's low price. Now that Sony cut that off, cutting the price would be admitting that Microsoft is getting worried.

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#5 Mau-Justice
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Yea which is why it makes no sense. Sony is playing catch up as it is hence the price cut...why would the Xbox even need a price cut, let alone a drastic 100$ one? If it happens, good for us. If not, no worries, it's unecessary.
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#6 Gen007
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yeah i have to say the 360 is already in the affoordable area with its prices someone who wants a 360 isnt going to not get because of the price like what happen with the ps3 but the price drop is a very good move by sony im actually planning on getting a slim. 360 will always be my main though.

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#7 KC_Hokie
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I bet there will be one and MS will continue to deny they plan one until they announce it (Sony did the same thing).
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#8 dlindenb2000
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You mean a price drop from 299 to 199 for the elite? I highly doubt that. Why would they drop the price by 200 in such a short time? I think the 299 for Elite, 299 for Ps3 is a good price point.
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#9 Miyuki-Chan
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All the price's of the 360 are cheap enough they don't need any price drop's, IMO what they need to do is bundle in some of the top game's and mabe a extra controller.

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#11 gatsbythepig
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[QUOTE="gatsbythepig"]

Wow, I really thought more of you people would be interested by a 1/3 price drop on our favorite console.

Or at least the prospect of once againproving Michael Pachter has a complete disconnect from the market.
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Any thoughts?

Phoenix534

That'd be a 1/4 price cut. And I don't see the need. A $100 price cut and some cheap-o fake model isn't going to send Sony into first place in the sales race. If they do, it just shows how threatening Microsoft thinks the PS3 is. Microsoft had a lot of it's sales from it's low price. Now that Sony cut that off, cutting the price would be admitting that Microsoft is getting worried.

When I started this thread I mistakenly thought the Elite was priced at $299 with a possible $100 decrease. It is actually $399 and there may be a $100 cut which is 1/4, thank you for the correction.
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In the end it looks like nobody believes there will be a price drop anytime soon; if there isn't one in the fall, it just means Michael Pachter, VP at Wedbush Morgan, is still wrong about most things game related... so why does the man have that job and why does GS quote him for articles?

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#12 Phoenix534
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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="gatsbythepig"]

Wow, I really thought more of you people would be interested by a 1/3 price drop on our favorite console.

Or at least the prospect of once againproving Michael Pachter has a complete disconnect from the market.
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Any thoughts?

gatsbythepig

That'd be a 1/4 price cut. And I don't see the need. A $100 price cut and some cheap-o fake model isn't going to send Sony into first place in the sales race. If they do, it just shows how threatening Microsoft thinks the PS3 is. Microsoft had a lot of it's sales from it's low price. Now that Sony cut that off, cutting the price would be admitting that Microsoft is getting worried.

When I started this thread I mistakenly thought the Elite was priced at $299 with a possible $100 decrease. It is actually $399 and there may be a $100 cut which is 1/4, thank you for the correction.
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In the end it looks like nobody believes there will be a price drop anytime soon; if there isn't one in the fall, it just means Michael Pachter, VP at Wedbush Morgan, is still wrong about most things game related... so why does the man have that job and why does GS quote him for articles?

It's ok. Simple mistake. I don't doubt a price cut, just not right now.

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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="gatsbythepig"]

Wow, I really thought more of you people would be interested by a 1/3 price drop on our favorite console.

Or at least the prospect of once againproving Michael Pachter has a complete disconnect from the market.
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Any thoughts?

gatsbythepig

That'd be a 1/4 price cut. And I don't see the need. A $100 price cut and some cheap-o fake model isn't going to send Sony into first place in the sales race. If they do, it just shows how threatening Microsoft thinks the PS3 is. Microsoft had a lot of it's sales from it's low price. Now that Sony cut that off, cutting the price would be admitting that Microsoft is getting worried.

When I started this thread I mistakenly thought the Elite was priced at $299 with a possible $100 decrease. It is actually $399 and there may be a $100 cut which is 1/4, thank you for the correction.
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In the end it looks like nobody believes there will be a price drop anytime soon; if there isn't one in the fall, it just means Michael Pachter, VP at Wedbush Morgan, is still wrong about most things game related... so why does the man have that job and why does GS quote him for articles?

You just answered your own question. The Elite JUST had a price drop. I understand that you are just realizing that, but It was announced about a week ago and it takes effect on August 30th. I wouldn't expect yet another significant price drop within a couple of months just to react to Sony's announcements.
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#15 gatsbythepig
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^You have made some incorrect assumptions about this topic. We all know about the possible drop. We are talking about if the drop is real and occuring this fall, as Pachter is predicting.

Do you have a link please that says definitively there will be a price drop this year. I still have not found one. Thanks.

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#17 fireball_016
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To my knowledge, there was supposed to be a 360 price cut. My manager at work had told me about it and a customer came in the other day to buy a 360. Long story short, my manager ended up having to call his supervisor who told him the price cut had been cancelled.

Considering that the Elite no longer has an HDMI cable, it seems fitting that there would be a price cut.

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#19 gatsbythepig
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Here's the most compelling article I have seen so far, although it is still speculation if the image is even real.

This is another news link I found that addresses the issue of a price drop by assuming it was going to happen, even though it doesn't show a reputable primary source. Also the article states that the supposed cut is now delayed. There is still no speculation as to when the cut will happen except from Michael Pachter.

Could Abundant Xbox 360 Stock Have Halted Microsoft's Price Cut?

So, is this going to happen, or what?

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#20 bluem00se
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There is some serious evidence suggesting that the 360 will get a price cut. A recent Wal-Mart ad showcases the Elite at $299, and there were some other articles I saw today that further fuel this fire. Whether or not it does probably won't make much of a difference. At the same price level as the 360 and an attractive new design that garnered a lot of attention this week, the PS3 will probably begin to gain a lot of thunder. Microsoft dropping the price to the same level will not have a huge impact IMO. And why all the hate for Pachter? He doesn't seem like a douche or anything, just a guy who makes some good predictions and some bad ones. What's wrong with that?
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Retail stores confirm 360 Elite is getting a price drop to $299 and discontinuing the Pro.
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#22 gatsbythepig
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Retail stores confirm 360 Elite is getting a price drop to $299 and discontinuing the Pro.moose_knuckler
After all the evidence I have offered in my posts, I would appreciate it if you could support your claims with some links. Thanks and let's all hope you're right.
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#23 cguibault
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http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/08/price-drop-spotted-360-elite-going-to-300.ars

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Here is the above address hyperlinked for your pleasure.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/08/price-drop-spotted-360-elite-going-to-300.ars

Once again another article that is spreading the rumor. Is there any proof out there?

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#27 gatsbythepig
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There is some serious evidence suggesting that the 360 will get a price cut. A recent Wal-Mart ad showcases the Elite at $299, and there were some other articles I saw today that further fuel this fire. Whether or not it does probably won't make much of a difference. At the same price level as the 360 and an attractive new design that garnered a lot of attention this week, the PS3 will probably begin to gain a lot of thunder. Microsoft dropping the price to the same level will not have a huge impact IMO. And why all the hate for Pachter? He doesn't seem like a douche or anything, just a guy who makes some good predictions and some bad ones. What's wrong with that?bluem00se
I don't dislike Pachter, I just wonder how a guy with close to 60% accuracy can command so much attention and money. If you are being quoted for predictions on reputable websites and news articles, I expect I higher level of competency. I was wondering if anyone agreed with that assessment and if they believe there will be a drop in price by the end of Fall. I just read through a bunch more news articles and it looks like more of the same. I would link them for you but everyone says, "we think it will happen" and shows the unconfirmed picture of the elite being sold at Wal-Mart. I would be excited about a drop if it happens, but who knows at this point. Do you agree with Pachter on this one? Or is he about as accurate as flipping a coin?
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Honestly the $100 price drop for the Elite will likely have little effect.

The Elite is just a black ARCADE with a harddrive. There is no real advatange to having an elite and it's unlikely too many consumers were waiting for an Elite price drop when they ccould get the ARcade for $199 for over a year now.

The PS3 slim is not only a new design but it's the base model and it's the cheapest PS3 ever. It will get a lot more attention and is likely to sell more at the point, especially considering blu-ray is becoming more mainstream.

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#30 gatsbythepig
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[QUOTE="DumbDubya"]

Honestly the $100 price drop for the Elite will likely have little effect.

The Elite is just a black ARCADE with a harddrive. There is no real advatange to having an elite and it's unlikely too many consumers were waiting for an Elite price drop when they ccould get the ARcade for $199 for over a year now.

The PS3 slim is not only a new design but it's the base model and it's the cheapest PS3 ever. It will get a lot more attention and is likely to sell more at the point, especially considering blu-ray is becoming more mainstream.

I have to agree with you about most of what you wrote. The fact is I am a launch 360 owner and I love our games. That being said the PS3 is an unbelievable bargain simply as a high quality Blu Ray player that also happens to play games-if you're into that sort of thing. It seems M$ should respond and so should Wii(how ridiculously priced is that device?). . . In the end, are you saying it is going to happen but make little difference? That is what it sounds like. I think it may happen, but if it does, I also think it will have a big impact. For instance, I will be purchasing an elite, if the price drops, rather than an arcade. I think many others feel this way too especially since my 20 Gig is too small and my console sounds like a buzzsaw. It'smy original one but I am getting a little scared it's going to die.
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#31 BradHummr
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Kotaku has a picture of a leaked Wal-Mart ad: here. It could still be fake, but it looks to be true.

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#32 EmpCom
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The 360 elite is cheaper than the ps3 slim in the uk already
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#33 gatsbythepig
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The 360 elite is cheaper than the ps3 slim in the uk alreadyEmpCom
Now that is interesting. I wonder, if there is a price drop, will the UK get the benefit of that? Still, I just want to know what everyone thinks. Will there be a price drop this Fall?
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Idk if this has been posted, I didn't feel like reading but apparantely there's been a leaked Walmart ad showing a 300 dollar elite. http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1017301p1.html
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Yeah, I think there will be a price drop.
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#36 gatsbythepig
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Idk if this has been posted, I didn't feel like reading but apparantely there's been a leaked Walmart ad showing a 300 dollar elite. http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1017301p1.htmlKaos39
Yeah, it's just another article saying there is a rumor about a price drop. Sorry, no evidence yet.
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That'd be a 1/4 price cut. And I don't see the need. A $100 price cut and some cheap-o fake model isn't going to send Sony into first place in the sales race. If they do, it just shows how threatening Microsoft thinks the PS3 is. Microsoft had a lot of it's sales from it's low price. Now that Sony cut that off, cutting the price would be admitting that Microsoft is getting worried.

Phoenix534

It's called competition. You do what you have to match or beat your competitor. Sony is behind by ~10 million units and I suspect there are millions of unsatisfied wii owners so there is still a market to be had and with this move Sony is the value winner even with the elite at 300. I don't see why Microsoft is keeping the arcade, let alone at 200. I would bundle an XBL card with 800-1600 points and move the pro to 200. Microsoft's selling point is Xbox Live and software.

This is all wishful thinking though as I wait to buy a new 360 :P.

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#38 DumbDubya
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[QUOTE="DumbDubya"]

Honestly the $100 price drop for the Elite will likely have little effect.

The Elite is just a black ARCADE with a harddrive. There is no real advatange to having an elite and it's unlikely too many consumers were waiting for an Elite price drop when they ccould get the ARcade for $199 for over a year now.

The PS3 slim is not only a new design but it's the base model and it's the cheapest PS3 ever. It will get a lot more attention and is likely to sell more at the point, especially considering blu-ray is becoming more mainstream.

gatsbythepig

I have to agree with you about most of what you wrote. The fact is I am a launch 360 owner and I love our games. That being said the PS3 is an unbelievable bargain simply as a high quality Blu Ray player that also happens to play games-if you're into that sort of thing. It seems M$ should respond and so should Wii(how ridiculously priced is that device?). . . In the end, are you saying it is going to happen but make little difference? That is what it sounds like. I think it may happen, but if it does, I also think it will have a big impact. For instance, I will be purchasing an elite, if the price drops, rather than an arcade. I think many others feel this way too especially since my 20 Gig is too small and my console sounds like a buzzsaw. It'smy original one but I am getting a little scared it's going to die.

Between the two, the PS3 slim is a better value at the price. I don't think any of us can deny that considering it comes with Blu-ray, wireless networking, and rechargable controllers. But Xbox's main attractivness is the online experience and the game library.

Micrsoft should have included the wireless adapter with the elite and maybe throw in a chatpad to make it a more attractive purchase.

The way i see it, the average consumer will continue to buy the arcade so sales won't spike. People looking to upgrade to the Elite will be gamers like us (the minority).