Is this how the 360 will get MGS4??

With all the rumours and speculation as to why the 360 couldnt have MGS4 the main reason (apart from loyalty to the PS3) seemed to be memory. The PS3 useing a Blue-ray disk which could hold alot more information and therefore makeing it seem sensible that if the 360 ever gets MGS4 it will have to be a down graded port...and therefore more likely that it wouldnt ever happen. But no with this article http://www.xboxfamily.com/news%20stories/HDD_Required.htm it dosent seem like that would be the case at all... what do you think?

It would never get downgraded, Kojima isn't that desperate for money.

If it HAD to be on multiple discs, thats the way it would go. But trust me, MGS4 would fit on a HD disc, especially if Halo 3, Mass Effect and GTAIV can.

And if Metal Gear online comes to the 360 (which it sounds like it will) MGS4 will be sure to follow. otherwise its like releasing Halo 3 multiplayer to the PS3 will keeping the singple player exclusive to the 360.

If they come on a standard DVD how come you play them in HD?

It's like blueray for the PS3, they come on a blueray disc.

they could not make a game that needs a hard drive because that would force people that had the core they would have to go out and get a hard drive and you can not do that and dev have to develope for the common denominator wich is a system with no hard drive codypoop

Actually they already released at least one game that does require a hard drive - it just notified you on the ocver. I think it was Baseball Manager 2007 or something like that. This topic has been discussed before though and they have already done it - so they could do it again. Those with Core systems just like with that game would either need to get a hard drive or skip that game.

And I use a HDTV. If they're not on HD disc, then how am I seeing it in HD huh?--Wolf--

Your seeing it in HD because the game was designed to run at 1280x720 (or 720p). Of course higher resolution graphics means more disc space but current DVD's can still hold upto 8.9GB on a dual layer disc, this content can also be compressed so you can go higher than this.

HD isn't even a new thing, PC gamers have been playing games in 720p and higher for years now (myself included). These games weren't even on DVDuntill very recently,they were spanned over multiple CD-Roms.

Some people believe that the PS3 can produce better graphics because of its blueray technology but this isn't true. Graphics quality is determined by the specifications of the graphics chip and the amount of onboard memory.

Isnt it standard DVD's that the 360 uses? Otherwise why would you need a HD DVD player to watch HD DVD's?Strap_happy

Yes, they do your correct I don't know how everybody in here turned retarded in about 5 seconds but they use DVD9 for 360 games all the HD player addon is for is so you can play HD movies thats all.

[QUOTE="codypoop"]they could not make a game that needs a hard drive because that would force people that had the core they would have to go out and get a hard drive and you can not do that and dev have to develope for the common denominator wich is a system with no hard drive DataDream

exactly

Actually they already released at least one game that does require a hard drive - it just notified you on the ocver. I think it was Baseball Manager 2007 or something like that. This topic has been discussed before though and they have already done it - so they could do it again. Those with Core systems just like with that game would either need to get a hard drive or skip that game.

they could not make a game that needs a hard drive because that would force people that had the core they would have to go out and get a hard drive and you can not do that and dev have to develope for the common denominator wich is a system with no hard drive codypoop

Well, actually theres been several poll's that showed that most people bought the premium and even if that wasn't true they don't care it doesn't force people to get an HDD you just don't have to play that game, but if you do want to play it go out and buy an HDD its not the first time that they've done something like this they sell the core without a memory device and you cant play a game unless you have one so you have to go out and buy one right.

You know the 360 uses HD discs for all their games right? You dont play games thru the HD DVD player--Wolf--

:lol:

You have been misinformed. The 360 uses DVD's. It can't run games on HDDVD. ALL 360 games are on DVD.

[QUOTE="--Wolf--"]And I use a HDTV. If they're not on HD disc, then how am I seeing it in HD huh?Bond007uk

Your seeing it in HD because the game was designed to run at 1280x720 (or 720p). Of course higher resolution graphics means more disc space but current DVD's can still hold upto 8.9GB on a dual layer disc, this content can also be compressed so you can go higher than this.

HD isn't even a new thing, PC gamers have been playing games in 720p and higher for years now (myself included). These games weren't even on DVDuntill very recently,they were spanned over multiple CD-Roms.

Some people believe that the PS3 can produce better graphics because of its blueray technology but this isn't true. Graphics quality is determined by the specifications of the graphics chip and the amount of onboard memory.

Well actually BD disks could produce better graphics but not because they're HD disks but because they have more space which means the Dev's can add a lot more detail and other effects that might make the data too large for a DVD9.

[QUOTE="Bond007uk"]

[QUOTE="--Wolf--"]And I use a HDTV. If they're not on HD disc, then how am I seeing it in HD huh?julianwelton

Your seeing it in HD because the game was designed to run at 1280x720 (or 720p). Of course higher resolution graphics means more disc space but current DVD's can still hold upto 8.9GB on a dual layer disc, this content can also be compressed so you can go higher than this.

HD isn't even a new thing, PC gamers have been playing games in 720p and higher for years now (myself included). These games weren't even on DVDuntill very recently,they were spanned over multiple CD-Roms.

Some people believe that the PS3 can produce better graphics because of its blueray technology but this isn't true. Graphics quality is determined by the specifications of the graphics chip and the amount of onboard memory.

Well actually BD disks could produce better graphics but not because they're HD disks but because they have more space which means the Dev's can add a lot more detail and other effects that might make the data too large for a DVD9.

What?!?! So i could have a a huge game but put 30minutes of game play over say 12discs, and that way have a game that has the most in crredible graphics the world has ever seen?

[QUOTE="Bond007uk"]

Well actually BD disks could produce better graphics but not because they're HD disks but because they have more space which means the Dev's can add a lot more detail and other effects that might make the data too large for a DVD9.

julianwelton

Rofl. Too bad our PC's or consoles can't run games with 1-2GB textures yet.

[QUOTE="julianwelton"][QUOTE="Bond007uk"]

[QUOTE="--Wolf--"]And I use a HDTV. If they're not on HD disc, then how am I seeing it in HD huh?Strap_happy

Your seeing it in HD because the game was designed to run at 1280x720 (or 720p). Of course higher resolution graphics means more disc space but current DVD's can still hold upto 8.9GB on a dual layer disc, this content can also be compressed so you can go higher than this.

HD isn't even a new thing, PC gamers have been playing games in 720p and higher for years now (myself included). These games weren't even on DVDuntill very recently,they were spanned over multiple CD-Roms.

Some people believe that the PS3 can produce better graphics because of its blueray technology but this isn't true. Graphics quality is determined by the specifications of the graphics chip and the amount of onboard memory.

Well actually BD disks could produce better graphics but not because they're HD disks but because they have more space which means the Dev's can add a lot more detail and other effects that might make the data too large for a DVD9.

What?!?! So i could have a a huge game but put 30minutes of game play over say 12discs, and that way have a game that has the most in crredible graphics the world has ever seen?

No, because the hardware is not able to. Go check footage of the game Crysis. How you see that game in trailers, is not even possible yet on consumer PC's. No one can run Crysis on max settings yet because there isn't a GPU on the market that can do so.

[QUOTE="Strap_happy"][QUOTE="julianwelton"][QUOTE="Bond007uk"]

[QUOTE="--Wolf--"]And I use a HDTV. If they're not on HD disc, then how am I seeing it in HD huh?Fyper

Your seeing it in HD because the game was designed to run at 1280x720 (or 720p). Of course higher resolution graphics means more disc space but current DVD's can still hold upto 8.9GB on a dual layer disc, this content can also be compressed so you can go higher than this.

HD isn't even a new thing, PC gamers have been playing games in 720p and higher for years now (myself included). These games weren't even on DVDuntill very recently,they were spanned over multiple CD-Roms.

Some people believe that the PS3 can produce better graphics because of its blueray technology but this isn't true. Graphics quality is determined by the specifications of the graphics chip and the amount of onboard memory.

Well actually BD disks could produce better graphics but not because they're HD disks but because they have more space which means the Dev's can add a lot more detail and other effects that might make the data too large for a DVD9.

What?!?! So i could have a a huge game but put 30minutes of game play over say 12discs, and that way have a game that has the most in crredible graphics the world has ever seen?

No, because the hardware is not able to. Go check footage of the game Crysis. How you see that game in trailers, is not even possible yet on consumer PC's. No one can run Crysis on max settings yet because there isn't a GPU on the market that can do so.

sweet!

Yeah now I'm pissed because I bought a GeForce 7950 instead of a 8800. No DirectX10 for me. Oh well, I hope I can still beat up Koreans in 40+FPS.

Putting Blueray in the PS3 has nothing to do with Sony wanting their system to produce better graphics and games it was and always has been to win the HD Video format war!

The way this topic is going it should be moved the System Wars forum, don't you agree?

Yeah now I'm pissed because I bought a GeForce 7950 instead of a 8800. No DirectX10 for me. Oh well, I hope I can still beat up Koreans in 40+FPS.

SB992

I'm getting a 8800GTS 640MB. Maybe in a year I'll get another one and run them in SLi. Suck on that Crysis :P

[QUOTE="Bond007uk"]

[QUOTE="--Wolf--"]And I use a HDTV. If they're not on HD disc, then how am I seeing it in HD huh?julianwelton

Your seeing it in HD because the game was designed to run at 1280x720 (or 720p). Of course higher resolution graphics means more disc space but current DVD's can still hold upto 8.9GB on a dual layer disc, this content can also be compressed so you can go higher than this.

HD isn't even a new thing, PC gamers have been playing games in 720p and higher for years now (myself included). These games weren't even on DVDuntill very recently,they were spanned over multiple CD-Roms.

Some people believe that the PS3 can produce better graphics because of its blueray technology but this isn't true. Graphics quality is determined by the specifications of the graphics chip and the amount of onboard memory.

Well actually BD disks could produce better graphics but not because they're HD disks but because they have more space which means the Dev's can add a lot more detail and other effects that might make the data too large for a DVD9.

I have yet to see any proof of this. All I have seen is that video game ports usually look better on the 360 than the PS3. I'm sure that you're logic must be correct, but I'm thinking that the media is not nearly as important as the hardware.(graphically)

[QUOTE="julianwelton"][QUOTE="Bond007uk"]

[QUOTE="--Wolf--"]And I use a HDTV. If they're not on HD disc, then how am I seeing it in HD huh?a55a55inx

Your seeing it in HD because the game was designed to run at 1280x720 (or 720p). Of course higher resolution graphics means more disc space but current DVD's can still hold upto 8.9GB on a dual layer disc, this content can also be compressed so you can go higher than this.

HD isn't even a new thing, PC gamers have been playing games in 720p and higher for years now (myself included). These games weren't even on DVDuntill very recently,they were spanned over multiple CD-Roms.

Some people believe that the PS3 can produce better graphics because of its blueray technology but this isn't true. Graphics quality is determined by the specifications of the graphics chip and the amount of onboard memory.

Well actually BD disks could produce better graphics but not because they're HD disks but because they have more space which means the Dev's can add a lot more detail and other effects that might make the data too large for a DVD9.

I have yet to see any proof of this. All I have seen is that video game ports usually look better on the 360 than the PS3. I'm sure that you're logic must be correct, but I'm thinking that the media is not nearly as important as the hardware.(graphically)

correct

[QUOTE="Strap_happy"][QUOTE="julianwelton"][QUOTE="Bond007uk"]

[QUOTE="--Wolf--"]And I use a HDTV. If they're not on HD disc, then how am I seeing it in HD huh?Fyper

Your seeing it in HD because the game was designed to run at 1280x720 (or 720p). Of course higher resolution graphics means more disc space but current DVD's can still hold upto 8.9GB on a dual layer disc, this content can also be compressed so you can go higher than this.

HD isn't even a new thing, PC gamers have been playing games in 720p and higher for years now (myself included). These games weren't even on DVDuntill very recently,they were spanned over multiple CD-Roms.

Some people believe that the PS3 can produce better graphics because of its blueray technology but this isn't true. Graphics quality is determined by the specifications of the graphics chip and the amount of onboard memory.

Well actually BD disks could produce better graphics but not because they're HD disks but because they have more space which means the Dev's can add a lot more detail and other effects that might make the data too large for a DVD9.

What?!?! So i could have a a huge game but put 30minutes of game play over say 12discs, and that way have a game that has the most in crredible graphics the world has ever seen?

No, because the hardware is not able to. Go check footage of the game Crysis. How you see that game in trailers, is not even possible yet on consumer PC's. No one can run Crysis on max settings yet because there isn't a GPU on the market that can do so.

That game looks geat btw. I wonder if it will get poted to the Xbox 360 next year.

If MGS 4 came to the 360 it would have to be on 9 or so discs.

So basicly every time you beat a level you would have to insert a disc.

If MGS 4 came to the 360 it would have to be on 9 or so discs.

So basicly every time you beat a level you would have to insert a disc.

JohnWinger

9 discs is almost 80 gigs, try again.

[QUOTE="codypoop"]they could not make a game that needs a hard drive because that would force people that had the core they would have to go out and get a hard drive and you can not do that and dev have to develope for the common denominator wich is a system with no hard drive DataDream

Actually they already released at least one game that does require a hard drive - it just notified you on the ocver. I think it was Baseball Manager 2007 or something like that. This topic has been discussed before though and they have already done it - so they could do it again. Those with Core systems just like with that game would either need to get a hard drive or skip that game.

Yes your right they have done it with many games. Final Fantasy Online, Football Manager, and the list goes on.

If MGS 4 came to the 360 it would have to be on 9 or so discs.

So basicly every time you beat a level you would have to insert a disc.

JohnWinger

WOW fan boy alert...... That's a pathetic thing to say 9 discs is loads of space. Like Kevy said around 80gigs. May as well put mass effect on there too. maybe shove GTA in there and put halo series on there.There we go that takes it down to 4 discs left...

[QUOTE="Fyper"][QUOTE="Strap_happy"][QUOTE="julianwelton"][QUOTE="Bond007uk"]

[QUOTE="--Wolf--"]And I use a HDTV. If they're not on HD disc, then how am I seeing it in HD huh?Tree06

Your seeing it in HD because the game was designed to run at 1280x720 (or 720p). Of course higher resolution graphics means more disc space but current DVD's can still hold upto 8.9GB on a dual layer disc, this content can also be compressed so you can go higher than this.

HD isn't even a new thing, PC gamers have been playing games in 720p and higher for years now (myself included). These games weren't even on DVDuntill very recently,they were spanned over multiple CD-Roms.

Some people believe that the PS3 can produce better graphics because of its blueray technology but this isn't true. Graphics quality is determined by the specifications of the graphics chip and the amount of onboard memory.

Well actually BD disks could produce better graphics but not because they're HD disks but because they have more space which means the Dev's can add a lot more detail and other effects that might make the data too large for a DVD9.

What?!?! So i could have a a huge game but put 30minutes of game play over say 12discs, and that way have a game that has the most in crredible graphics the world has ever seen?

No, because the hardware is not able to. Go check footage of the game Crysis. How you see that game in trailers, is not even possible yet on consumer PC's. No one can run Crysis on max settings yet because there isn't a GPU on the market that can do so.

That game looks geat btw. I wonder if it will get poted to the Xbox 360 next year.

Most likely. But I would expect a downgrade.

[QUOTE="JohnWinger"]

If MGS 4 came to the 360 it would have to be on 9 or so discs.

So basicly every time you beat a level you would have to insert a disc.

mitch4892

WOW fan boy alert...... That's a pathetic thing to say 9 discs is loads of space. Like Kevy said around 80gigs. May as well put mass effect on there too. maybe shove GTA in there and put halo series on there.There we go that takes it down to 4 discs left...

[QUOTE="mitch4892"][QUOTE="JohnWinger"]

If MGS 4 came to the 360 it would have to be on 9 or so discs.

So basicly every time you beat a level you would have to insert a disc.

GameFace06

WOW fan boy alert...... That's a pathetic thing to say 9 discs is loads of space. Like Kevy said around 80gigs. May as well put mass effect on there too. maybe shove GTA in there and put halo series on there.There we go that takes it down to 4 discs left...

lol oh dear. def fanboy!

i wonder if most of the people on this thread even read the TP link. it said nothing about HD DVD. it was about requiering the HARD DISK DRIVE to play games. atleast some of the people on this post seems to get that.

and to get back on topic. this may have a factor in weather the 360 ever see's MGS 4 but i would think there are other bigger thinks in play. namely money.

oh well if it never happens i'll just play thae game in like 2-3 years when i can get a PS3 on the cheap and play all it's backlogged games.

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Nope, memory would not be the issue. A game like Metal Gear which is a linear story would so easily be able to be split up into multiple disks. No one complains when it happens, Resident Evil 4, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy 7, those games are multiple disk and the reason was cinematics and voice, not gameplay. So it cannot be space.tenorio_rotc

I'm with you on that. I mean, hello, just like on MGS when you get halfway through the story (INSERT DISC 2) problem solved. It would be games like GTA that cannot be split into multiple disc. But anyway just like the acticle said, some games will require the HDD. I have a core system because I could not find a premium anywhere when I got my 360. AS soon as I found a store that had HDD's in stock I got on no problem.

If they come on a standard DVD how come you play them in HD?

It's like blueray for the PS3, they come on a blueray disc.

--Wolf--

PC games come on DVD and how can you play those in HD ?

the xbox upgrades it to hd it dont not realy come hd from the disk.

i somehow doubt that kojima is gonna use the 50 gb the blue ray disc offers....o.O and i think i have heard that they were using dummy files on certain games for the ps3...maybe it was a rumor, i forgot...so anyways....i could care less whether it comes to the 360 or not.....dmc4 is already on the 360 ....and thats the only game i wanted from the ps3Dante2710

The only reason it's using blu-ray is because the audio is not compressed like 10 audio tracks are almost 700MB while 10 MP3 tracks are less than 70 MB.

MGS4 not coming to 360 is not a hardware issue. It's all about Sony having exclusive rights to the game. Yes, it will sell poorly, and maybe that might make Konami consider a 360 version after the fact. You know, after everyone who will play it on the PS3 has played it on the PS3.

I don't think I'm going to be one of those will buy a PS3 just for MGS4, even though I REALLY want that game. I might just end up waiting it off and keeping my fingers crossed.