I've got a bad feeling about this...
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I'm beginning to worry that the naysayers were right-- that this is going to be a shovelware bonanza aimed at grabbing some of the Wii's casual demographic.El_Zo1212oHere's the difference between you and I: you are afraid it will be a shovelware, while I hope it will be, since I don't want these gimmicks to take over traditional gaming. I jumped on the 360 wagon because I couldn't stand the wii anymore and I don't want to end up waving my arms in front of a glorified webcam.
Like DJ_Magneto said, shovelware is inevitable with a new addon. It just happens. I highly doubt MS will push Kinect to be the primary controller for one main reason, it is highly unlikely that the majority of Halo players and CoD players will be willing to adopt to an arms flailing style over a game pad. So yes, shovelware will be there but our game pads will be safe.ryokeaThank you. They cannot push Kinect to be a primary controller for the majority of games moving forward. They can't, because not everyone will buy it. They cannot alienate the majority of users that way. That's why the old idea that they use the HD-DVD add-on as a medium for games would never have worked. For that same reason. But also realize that the developers of the big games already understand that Kinect cannot replace the control schemes that we have in place for our controllers. Cliff Blezinski stated that while he was very impressed with the responsiveness of "Natal" he did not think that it would be appropriate for games like Gears of War. It just wouldn't work out. This is not to say that Kinect cannot be used in conjunction with our traditional controller as an OPTIONAL ENHANCEMENT to our mainstream games. And this is what I really want to see demonstrated. How is Kinect going to make our traditional games different or better? If they can prove this, then maybe Kinect will have a wider audience than the casual shovelware crowd.
[QUOTE="ryokea"]Like DJ_Magneto said, shovelware is inevitable with a new addon. It just happens. I highly doubt MS will push Kinect to be the primary controller for one main reason, it is highly unlikely that the majority of Halo players and CoD players will be willing to adopt to an arms flailing style over a game pad. So yes, shovelware will be there but our game pads will be safe.DJ_MagnetoThank you. They cannot push Kinect to be a primary controller for the majority of games moving forward. They can't, because not everyone will buy it. They cannot alienate the majority of users that way. That's why the old idea that they use the HD-DVD add-on as a medium for games would never have worked. For that same reason. But also realize that the developers of the big games already understand that Kinect cannot replace the control schemes that we have in place for our controllers. Cliff Blezinski stated that while he was very impressed with the responsiveness of "Natal" he did not think that it would be appropriate for games like Gears of War. It just wouldn't work out. This is not to say that Kinect cannot be used in conjunction with our traditional controller as an OPTIONAL ENHANCEMENT to our mainstream games. And this is what I really want to see demonstrated. How is Kinect going to make our traditional games different or better? If they can prove this, then maybe Kinect will have a wider audience than the casual shovelware crowd. This is what I had been hoping for, but a Wii sports ripoff and a rafting game? These were presented as games, not simply tech demos. I had faith that even though it was a motion control system, that MS would at least have the integrity to avoid a blatant Wii ripoff. It turns out I was wrong there, but I'm hoping that time will tell a more interesting story than "2010 brought the announcement of a motion control system from Microsoft that never panned out."
[QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"][QUOTE="ryokea"]Like DJ_Magneto said, shovelware is inevitable with a new addon. It just happens. I highly doubt MS will push Kinect to be the primary controller for one main reason, it is highly unlikely that the majority of Halo players and CoD players will be willing to adopt to an arms flailing style over a game pad. So yes, shovelware will be there but our game pads will be safe.El_Zo1212oThank you. They cannot push Kinect to be a primary controller for the majority of games moving forward. They can't, because not everyone will buy it. They cannot alienate the majority of users that way. That's why the old idea that they use the HD-DVD add-on as a medium for games would never have worked. For that same reason. But also realize that the developers of the big games already understand that Kinect cannot replace the control schemes that we have in place for our controllers. Cliff Blezinski stated that while he was very impressed with the responsiveness of "Natal" he did not think that it would be appropriate for games like Gears of War. It just wouldn't work out. This is not to say that Kinect cannot be used in conjunction with our traditional controller as an OPTIONAL ENHANCEMENT to our mainstream games. And this is what I really want to see demonstrated. How is Kinect going to make our traditional games different or better? If they can prove this, then maybe Kinect will have a wider audience than the casual shovelware crowd. This is what I had been hoping for, but a Wii sports ripoff and a rafting game? These were presented as games, not simply tech demos. I had faith that even though it was a motion control system, that MS would at least have the integrity to avoid a blatant Wii ripoff. It turns out I was wrong there, but I'm hoping that time will tell a more interesting story than "2010 brought the announcement of a motion control system from Microsoft that never panned out." How could any form of motion control not be construed as some sort of rip off of the Wii? If anything PS3's move is more guilty of this with its controllers being almost exactly like the Wii remotes. But like we said earlier, we will get shovelware. It's inevitable. They need to give us things to use Kinect for, or there is no reason to buy it. But aside from games, I'm interested OS control. Navigating around the dashboard will be cool. I think Bill Gates mentioned that he eventually wanted to make Natal, Windows compatible. How that will work out will be interesting to see. But release the Natal API to freelance developers and let's see what kind of cool stuff they come up with.
[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"] Thank you. They cannot push Kinect to be a primary controller for the majority of games moving forward. They can't, because not everyone will buy it. They cannot alienate the majority of users that way. That's why the old idea that they use the HD-DVD add-on as a medium for games would never have worked. For that same reason. But also realize that the developers of the big games already understand that Kinect cannot replace the control schemes that we have in place for our controllers. Cliff Blezinski stated that while he was very impressed with the responsiveness of "Natal" he did not think that it would be appropriate for games like Gears of War. It just wouldn't work out. This is not to say that Kinect cannot be used in conjunction with our traditional controller as an OPTIONAL ENHANCEMENT to our mainstream games. And this is what I really want to see demonstrated. How is Kinect going to make our traditional games different or better? If they can prove this, then maybe Kinect will have a wider audience than the casual shovelware crowd.DJ_MagnetoThis is what I had been hoping for, but a Wii sports ripoff and a rafting game? These were presented as games, not simply tech demos. I had faith that even though it was a motion control system, that MS would at least have the integrity to avoid a blatant Wii ripoff. It turns out I was wrong there, but I'm hoping that time will tell a more interesting story than "2010 brought the announcement of a motion control system from Microsoft that never panned out." How could any form of motion control not be construed as some sort of rip off of the Wii? If anything PS3's move is more guilty of this with its controllers being almost exactly like the Wii remotes. But like we said earlier, we will get shovelware. It's inevitable. They need to give us things to use Kinect for, or there is no reason to buy it. But aside from games, I'm interested OS control. Navigating around the dashboard will be cool. I think Bill Gates mentioned that he eventually wanted to make Natal, Windows compatible. How that will work out will be interesting to see. But release the Natal API to freelance developers and let's see what kind of cool stuff they come up with. That's right. It's ultimately the developer's job to create new great experiencies with the Kinect. The thing it's getting a lot of flame right now (just like when the wii came out), but only time will tell if it's worth getting one or not. The shovelware will come first, because its easier to produce.
Both MS and Sony thought the Wii was a gimmick. The sales took everyone by surprise. MS and Sony want a peice of this pie, and what better way than to target the exact same audience that gobbled up the wii! If there is one thing proven in this world, its that you want to target the average idiot with a stupid gadget. They just go crazy over them! Seriously, how many people bought those stupid singing Bass things at walmart, among other garbage. You make a killing by going after the 'simple' people.
I think they should use it in conbination with controllers. A idea I had was in a tactical shooter instead of pressing a botton to order your squad you could hold up a fist to make them hold, point at cover and then they would move there. I think that would be 100x better than the crap they are announcing.
Ever think it may fall flat into it's face. Meaning it fails then what?
Why does it matter? No one is forcing you to buy it.vashkey
so we are only allowed to discuss things we are going to like????????? no ones forcing you to read these topics:roll:
back to topic though using kinetic to use as a steering wheel for proper racers is a bit silly considering there will be no force feedback. using the wheel for Forza gives you you feed back when the cars gonna loose grip ect ect however im sure it will be fine for arcade stuff. i will wait and see what else comes.
Kinect is not a bad idea, though I think MS may have leapfrogged something in between the Wiimote and Kinect. However like with all new tech from a console maker, they have to come and show how its done before developers really adapt to it. I don't see MS doing that, look at how they essentially had two different conferences today, that is the wrong approach to take. If they really want to integrate Kinect into the standard, they are going to have to take a few risk, they are going to have to challenge the ego's of those who claim to be hardcore gamers. But instead they backed down, so no developer is going to take a risk if the people who made the thing wont get behind it.
That's why Nintendo is successful, they will make Wii Sports, but then they didn't turn around and say Mario and Zelda with the classic controller. So basically, if MS doesn't support it, you shouldn't expect anything from it. Oh and on a side note, the whole "the casual, the casual" thing is really pointless, the so called casual is no different from the so called hardcore. Just because they don't play Call of Duty, doesn't make them any different from you, the same number of hours you put into prestige, they will put into Animal Crossing or The Sims. Its all about taste and not all gamers have the same taste. MS choose to turn away from people with a specific taste for people with another taste. Unfortunately for them, the people they are turning from are the ones who actually own 360's.
Here's the difference between you and I: you are afraid it will be a shovelware, while I hope it will be, since I don't want these gimmicks to take over traditional gaming. I jumped on the 360 wagon because I couldn't stand the wii anymore and I don't want to end up waving my arms in front of a glorified webcam. Yeah. I totally agree. I fear this whole shift towards motion and 3D media. I saw Avatar normal and in 3D, its not a big deal. The Wii has some great motion games like Okami and even Mario Kart. But thats enough. Microsoft and Sony missed it. Deal with it. I don't want motion controls in my Fable....[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]I'm beginning to worry that the naysayers were right-- that this is going to be a shovelware bonanza aimed at grabbing some of the Wii's casual demographic.Black_Knight_00
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