M$ comes to GH2's aid and falls to new low in my mind........

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#1 -CMG-
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The following is taken from a recent interview with Major nelson from M$.....I bolded the points that really ticked me off.

"We've talked about what it takes to get content onto Marketplace. You guys know: it has to be processed, it has to be developed. Is it easier to process one song and release it and would have it to be more expensive? Or can you take some of that development, bundle it together, and drop the price down. All those songs have to go through that process. If you have three songs entering the approval process, individually, that's three times more problems--and there's more probability for error. So, let's bundle them together, and test them as a unit and drive the price down."

Is it me...or this the most obvious kind of Bull Crap spinning you have ever heard in your life?  Hey Major get a life if you think people are this stupid....This is nothing more than a way to justify what is a clear ploy to milk a captive auduence on Xbox Live.  You know the biggest problem with this is?  People are starting to feel nickel and dimed on Live and they don't take this to be exclusive to this title.  Why don't you bundle the most popular songs together??? Oh no - you put two weak ones with a strong one so you force the 3 song buy instead of the one song you were likely to actually sell which essentially means gamer are actually paying $6.00 a song.  You know this and I know this and you are now officially nothing but a M$ LapDog pimping BS for M$.

And saying all this gibberish about errors in the process increasing because they are sold individually is such an embarrasing statement to M$ and GH that I am shocked you think people that routinely use Xbox Live with the TON of indivually non-bundled content would actually believe. 

This is sad.  And it coming from a 100% certified Lemming.  You don't believe me check my post history.  I am nothing short of a 360 FanBOY!

Major Nelson = NO CREDIBILITY!!!!!

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#2 heyheydoh
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I don't play GH but this is just ST00PID.
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#3 GameArtGuy
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wait... how is that stupid?

They are saying instead of certifying each song indivudually, they certifide them as a bundle so there was only 1 test for all of them... And dropped the price of the songs as a result.

MS doesnt make the prices on 3rd party support...

Your mad because they released the songs as a pack for cheaper? 

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#4 lge777
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If nobody bought a song i will bet my bottom dollar they will lower the price...But cause ppl will pay that much they will charge that much..
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#5 Matz
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yeah ok mister "against-the-system-rebel-probably peta fan". theres nothing stupid about it
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#6 lge777
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yeah ok mister "against-the-system-rebel-probably peta fan". theres nothing stupid about itMatz

Dude your a spite full person... and I support PETA 100%..Atleast PETA has the guts to stand up to the Butchers of the world..your commets are not needed and offensive

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#7 Fhiz
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in the words of Kotaku's staff in response to that: "bull****"
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#8 crck
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Under that logic wouldnt it be better to certify all the GH1 songs at once and release it all together? haha
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#9 OneLessFinger
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the songs are up now, and if you buy the points online it boils down to $5 for 3 songs, which really is not bad at all....and if you buy the points in the store its technically less money.
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#10 crapatron
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I think CMGs point is that there is only 1 song worth paying for on each pack, so you have to buy all 3 packs to get the 3 songs you want. Why can't I just buy the songs I want for a cheaper price? It leaves me feeling ripped off too.
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#11 Longman27
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well With PGR they have always had the pack as a whole and each car separately too.
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#12 crapatron
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that would be the perfect way to do GH2.
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#13 creekfan_basic
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I am so sick of these threads......I don't understand how any one can claim getting ripped off or that MS is sinking to new lows when you are given a choice to buy...I don't buy Sony Tv's any more because the price is not worth the product, but do I claim that Sony is ripping me off?

It's simple folks, if you don't want to buy it...don't....stop coming in here and starting fanboy rants about it.

 

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#14 froggut198
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Well, I'm gonna buy 1 and only 1 of the song packs just because it has 3 songs that I like from GH.  Higher Grounds by RHCP, Infected by Bad Religion and Steller by Incubus.
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#15 lilomez238
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Good rant....we are paying  90$ for the guitar and about 40 songs which 60% are terrable...and then they overprice songs like this....this is BS and why is it that every dsong for DLC i have never heard before. this is stupid put them individually and make them like 100pts max per song.
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#16 Angarah
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I am so sick of these threads......I don't understand how any one can claim getting ripped off or that MS is sinking to new lows when you are given a choice to buy...I don't buy Sony Tv's any more because the price is not worth the product, but do I claim that Sony is ripping me off?

It's simple folks, if you don't want to buy it...don't....stop coming in here and starting fanboy rants about it.

 

creekfan_basic

 

The thing is, I really DO want to buy it. This is one of the main things I looked forward to in Guitar Hero II. But at that price, it's not worth it. And so I'm pissed, and going to complain. Did you see Major Nelson's page when he announced the pricing? Comment after comment after comment of people angry at the price. That's got to do something for Harmonix or Red Octane or whoever's pricing these things. 

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#17 lilomez238
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and i just noticed something....the price will never drop because all the people that did pay 500 points will complain....this is so stupid
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#19 Jeff_Boldt
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this whole thread is stupid.  No-one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to pay for them.  this "I want the songs but they're making me pay too much" arguement is absolutely stupid.  Go download the song for free off the internet then, oh but you want to play it on guitar hero? Then quit your whining and put up or shut up.  Everything is too expensive now-a-days and there's a lot of more relevant things to complain about than the cost of upgrading a game over xbox live.

 

If it bothers you that much then boycott the game entirely, don't sit there, playing away on guitar hero like a happy little emo kid and then come here to complain at paying $5 for some songs. 

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#20 RebornInFlames
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to be honest tho he has a point. I mean I bet at some point the devs and marketing ppl were like, hmmm should we include 100 songs for gh2? (no idea how many there really are) and then someone else said no, we could include 50 and charge like 5 bucks a bunch of times for the other 50. Honestly if you are paying 60 bucks for a game, especially one that is just a bunch of songs with button cues, it should have everything included. I hate this crap, oh, we worked for 5 extra days making a map for you, so now to enjoy the game to the fullest itll be another 10 bucks etc etc
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#21 nickdastick
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the songs are up now, and if you buy the points online it boils down to $5 for 3 songs, which really is not bad at all....and if you buy the points in the store its technically less money.OneLessFinger
Yeah, and there is the fact that people buy single MP3's for the same price and they don't complain about it!!! Just because it costs the companies money to make new content you guys are going to cry about it? Get over it quickly! It's not going to change and it's not a big deal either... Some people's kids...
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#22 nickdastick
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I am so sick of these threads......I don't understand how any one can claim getting ripped off or that MS is sinking to new lows when you are given a choice to buy...I don't buy Sony Tv's any more because the price is not worth the product, but do I claim that Sony is ripping me off?

It's simple folks, if you don't want to buy it...don't....stop coming in here and starting fanboy rants about it.

 

creekfan_basic
I agree!!!! I didn't know that MS makes us buy the add ons! I need to check my bank statement quick!!! Seriously though, it actually costs money to make new content... What a concept!!! So it makes sense that we would need to pay for this stuff since it didn't come out of nowhere for free.
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#23 RebornInFlames
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the amount of money it costs really pales in comparison to the revenue. I mean putting a song on guitar hero means what, a small licensing fee and formatting? or making a new map, hell that would be fun Id do it for free. The point is that developers should view the extra content as extending the value of the original 60 bucks that were shelled out, and building customer loyalty. I had tremendous respect for epic until they announced they were bowing to the will of microsoft for the new maps. Ill still buy them but man, it irks me.
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#24 Agent_Kaliaver
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wait... how is that stupid?

They are saying instead of certifying each song indivudually, they certifide them as a bundle so there was only 1 test for all of them... And dropped the price of the songs as a result.

MS doesnt make the prices on 3rd party support...

Your mad because they released the songs as a pack for cheaper? 

GameArtGuy

So they are telling me that putting the songs onto XboxLive marketplace is different then songs onto Itunes. The songs on Itunes are individual and only $1 which is cheaper than Gutair Hero's three songs packed together. Really how is it that much different?

Oh and yes i would be pretty damn mad if i owned Gutair Hero 2. Why? Because i could buy the same song of itunes for less than $1. With that i could transfer it over to my ipod, cd player, 360, cell phone, and car cd player. While yes i can't "play the song" it goes a lot farther then only being able to play it on Gutair Hero 2.

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#25 gullytolwyn
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I stopped reading this thread when I saw "M$". Are you a slashdot poster or something? Settle down kid.
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#26 gatsbythepig
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This is very unfortunate for all GH2 fans.  I am glad I don't play the game but hopefully this will send a message across all games to M$ about the way we feel we are being treated.
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#27 moocow21
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Wow... I didn't think they could come up with anything to justify this price, but they actually tried to...
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#28 jmartinez1983
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the songs are up now, and if you buy the points online it boils down to $5 for 3 songs, which really is not bad at all....and if you buy the points in the store its technically less money.OneLessFinger

No, its $6.25 for 3 songs.  And really, I'd be more than willing to pay 2 bucks for SOME songs, but I'm most upset about the packing of them.  Don't say you are giving me a deal when you package one song I want with 2 songs I couldn't care less about.   

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#29 jello44
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this whole thread is stupid. No-one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to pay for them. this "I want the songs but they're making me pay too much" arguement is absolutely stupid. Go download the song for free off the internet then, oh but you want to play it on guitar hero? Then quit your whining and put up or shut up. Everything is too expensive now-a-days and there's a lot of more relevant things to complain about than the cost of upgrading a game over xbox live.

 

If it bothers you that much then boycott the game entirely, don't sit there, playing away on guitar hero like a happy little emo kid and then come here to complain at paying $5 for some songs.

Jeff_Boldt

 

That's pretty much what I have been saying. I can't imagine how kids today would react to the price that games USED to be. 70 and 80 dollars FOR A NES GAME.90 for SNES. Â