MGS coming to 360, but not MGS4?

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#1 UT_Wrestler
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I don't get it, why doesn't Konami just give 360 owners what they want? As glad as I am to see mgs finally on the 360, would it be too much to ask to get mgs4? They could sell millions and millions more copies of it if they just ported it. Does Konami have something against making money?

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#2 spazzx625
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Does Konami have something against making money?

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Development costs money too...So it isn't a sure thing they would make money on it.
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#3 2mrw
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how did you know MGS4 will sell millions and millions on x360?, such a high budget game needs a good install base to cover its costs, since x360 owners mostly aren't into the game ( do you remember how things went wz MGS2 substance), it is not coming to you, BUT luckily Konami is making a good move by testing the response of x360 owners to MGSR which i assume is much less budget than MGS4..... so konami is playing carefully, and dun forget that Konami and Kojima especially are PS lovers.

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#4 Legendaryscmt
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When you play and beat MGS4, you understand why it won't get ported.

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#5 lge777
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I don't get it, why doesn't Konami just give 360 owners what they want? As glad as I am to see mgs finally on the 360, would it be too much to ask to get mgs4? They could sell millions and millions more copies of it if they just ported it. Does Konami have something against making money?

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Sony flip the cost of MGS4 to make it a exclusive,In order to make it a exclusive a system manger (MS,SONY,NINTENDO) has to make make up the cost of sales of only releasing it on 1 system. As In;A GAMEsold maybe 200-300k copies PS3 exclusive if sold on mult-platform 400k-700k so Sony would make up the estimated amount the Dev would have lost. OR the system manger pays the cost to develop a game as in the HALO's

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#6 DoomZaW
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Well we get Metal Gear Solid Rising, which i honestly don't mind, because Raiden looks alot cooler than Snake (Don't flame me, PS3 fanboys ;))

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#7 EvilClownHar
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Also another reason it is not coming to the Xbox360 is because it uses a Blu-Ray disc to fit all that information on it.

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#8 ash918273
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probably cause MGS4 is tied up in Sony exclusive rights which Sony paid for.

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#9 ufcfan1987
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my question is why is there another topic about this? and why are people still pissy about it. why cant systems have there own exclusives. just leave it be and move on the world is not going to end.

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#10 StephenBassford
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my question is why is there another topic about this? and why are people still pissy about it. why cant systems have there own exclusives. just leave it be and move on the world is not going to end.

ufcfan1987

God forbid people wanting to play one of the greatest games of this generation without dishing out $450 dollars.

Geez

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#11 th3warr1or
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Well we get Metal Gear Solid Rising, which i honestly don't mind, because Raiden looks alot cooler than Snake (Don't flame me, PS3 fanboys ;))

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He does!
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#12 ufcfan1987
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[QUOTE="ufcfan1987"]

my question is why is there another topic about this? and why are people still pissy about it. why cant systems have there own exclusives. just leave it be and move on the world is not going to end.

StephenBassford

God forbid people wanting to play one of the greatest games of this generation without dishing out $450 dollars.

Geez

yeah then we might as well not have exclusives. the whole point of games being exclusive is to get you to buy the system. if every game came out for every sytem there is no competiiton. so you might as well just have one major system

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#13 kalboism
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Konami wanted to give 360 MGS but not the real MGS sequel.

The real MGS sequel/prequel is Peace Walker for the PSP.

So basically, konami wanted to make money but not give us the real MGS experience which is bs.

Smart on their part though.

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#14 UT_Wrestler
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Also another reason it is not coming to the Xbox360 is because it uses a Blu-Ray disc to fit all that information on it.

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I guess you've never heard of the concept of using multiple discs :/
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#15 dukebd699
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[QUOTE="EvilClownHar"]

Also another reason it is not coming to the Xbox360 is because it uses a Blu-Ray disc to fit all that information on it.

UT_Wrestler
I guess you've never heard of the concept of using multiple discs :/

What would be the fun in that? They make fun of having to use multiple discs in the game.
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#16 UT_Wrestler
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[QUOTE="dukebd699"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="EvilClownHar"]

Also another reason it is not coming to the Xbox360 is because it uses a Blu-Ray disc to fit all that information on it.

I guess you've never heard of the concept of using multiple discs :/

What would be the fun in that? They make fun of having to use multiple discs in the game.

I guess sony fanboys have completely forgotten that mgs on the ps1 was on multiple discs.
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#17 MarcRecon
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how did you know MGS4 will sell millions and millions on x360?, such a high budget game needs a good install base to cover its costs, since x360 owners mostly aren't into the game ( do you remember how things went wz MGS2 substance), it is not coming to you, BUT luckily Konami is making a good move by testing the response of x360 owners to MGSR which i assume is much less budget than MGS4..... so konami is playing carefully, and dun forget that Konami and Kojima especially are PS lovers.

2mrw

A very logical and educated response.

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#18 MarcRecon
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konami wanted to make money but not give us the real MGS experience which is bs.

Smart on their part though.

kalboism

I don't think it's that bro, check-out 2mrw's post!!!

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#19 senses_fail_06
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Perhaps Sony and Kojima have an exclusivity deal? Maybe if you knew anything about Kojima you would know he doesn't like porting his games?
[QUOTE="dukebd699"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"] I guess you've never heard of the concept of using multiple discs :/UT_Wrestler
What would be the fun in that? They make fun of having to use multiple discs in the game.

I guess sony fanboys have completely forgotten that mgs on the ps1 was on multiple discs.

We try to evolve from generation to generation.
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#20 LeGoofyGoober
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probably cause MGS4 is tied up in Sony exclusive rights which Sony paid for.

ash918273



MGS4 isn't exclusive at all. it's published by Konami, not Sony. Konami could port it whenever they wanted, but they're not going to.

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#21 heatfanman101
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[QUOTE="dukebd699"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"] I guess you've never heard of the concept of using multiple discs :/UT_Wrestler
What would be the fun in that? They make fun of having to use multiple discs in the game.

I guess sony fanboys have completely forgotten that mgs on the ps1 was on multiple discs.

yah, that was PS1,this is ten years later. I think people forgot for a reason

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#22 UT_Wrestler
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Perhaps Sony and Kojima have an exclusivity deal? Maybe if you knew anything about Kojima you would know he doesn't like porting his games? [QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="dukebd699"] What would be the fun in that? They make fun of having to use multiple discs in the game.senses_fail_06
I guess sony fanboys have completely forgotten that mgs on the ps1 was on multiple discs.

We try to evolve from generation to generation.

I just find it funny when people act like putting the game on multiple discs is some uncrossable hurdle. Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon were both on multiple discs.
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#23 scarymovie5
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[QUOTE="kalboism"]

Konami wanted to give 360 MGS but not the real MGS sequel.

The real MGS sequel/prequel is Peace Walker for the PSP.

So basically, konami wanted to make money but not give us the real MGS experience which is bs.

Smart on their part though.

Yep.
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#24 sam_nintendo
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[QUOTE="dukebd699"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"] I guess you've never heard of the concept of using multiple discs :/UT_Wrestler
What would be the fun in that? They make fun of having to use multiple discs in the game.

I guess sony fanboys have completely forgotten that mgs on the ps1 was on multiple discs.

No, he meant that the game itself jokes about past games having multiple discs.
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[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]Perhaps Sony and Kojima have an exclusivity deal? Maybe if you knew anything about Kojima you would know he doesn't like porting his games? [QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"] I guess sony fanboys have completely forgotten that mgs on the ps1 was on multiple discs.UT_Wrestler
We try to evolve from generation to generation.

I just find it funny when people act like putting the game on multiple discs is some uncrossable hurdle. Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon were both on multiple discs.

I do have to admit, multiple disks are quite annoying but nothing game breakable. The problem is, if you go over 3 disks, Microsoft charge HUGE royalties on their games. Its why the PS3 version of rage is having content reduced so both games are equal and under 4 disks.
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#26 mithrixx
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I look at it this way... MGS Rising is a new game and can't wait to play it. Doesn't matter if it was on both consoles or not. The only sad thing is that Snake is not gonna be there.
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#27 Floppy_Jim
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They wouldn't sell millions and millions of copies of MGS4 on the 360. Most MGS fans already bought the game along with the PS3. With that said, I fully expected a port to be announced at E3 but I guess it's never happening. Maybe Konami thinks it would cost too much time and money to port it when they could just release MGS: Rising on the 360 instead.
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#28 Kashiwaba
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Its simple 360 cant handle MGS4 and Kojima doasnt want to give microsoft the real MGS he gave PSP the next sequal and made the spin off multiplat to get some money from it I guess he is trying to get some funds for his next new IP PSP version wont cost as much as consoles version to make and Rising will be probably half assed MGS just to get money.

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#29 capthavic
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Still don't care.
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#30 4dry4n
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That's why it's called an exclusive.

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#31 Buffmaster1
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MS needs to lose that policy of charging extra to Game Devs for multiple game disk games...that policy blows!

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#34 DoomZaW
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Its simple 360 cant handle MGS4 and Kojima doasnt want to give microsoft the real MGS he gave PSP the next sequal and made the spin off multiplat to get some money from it I guess he is trying to get some funds for his next new IP PSP version wont cost as much as consoles version to make and Rising will be probably half assed MGS just to get money.

Kashiwaba

Ok then, I'll bet that when MGS Rising comes out it will run on the exact same engine as MGS4, i doubt Konami will be making an entirely new engine this gen for MGS Rising

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#35 shabab12
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[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

Its simple 360 cant handle MGS4 and Kojima doasnt want to give microsoft the real MGS he gave PSP the next sequal and made the spin off multiplat to get some money from it I guess he is trying to get some funds for his next new IP PSP version wont cost as much as consoles version to make and Rising will be probably half assed MGS just to get money.

DoomZaW

Ok then, I'll bet that when MGS Rising comes out it will run on the exact same engine as MGS4, i doubt Konami will be making an entirely new engine this gen for MGS Rising

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-6894-SF-Console-Game-Examiner~y2009m6d12-Metal-Gear-Solid-Rising-wont-use-MGS4-Engine

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#36 ufcfan1987
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That's why it's called an exclusive.

4dry4n

exactly

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how did you know MGS4 will sell millions and millions on x360?, such a high budget game needs a good install base to cover its costs, since x360 owners mostly aren't into the game ( do you remember how things went wz MGS2 substance), it is not coming to you, BUT luckily Konami is making a good move by testing the response of x360 owners to MGSR which i assume is much less budget than MGS4..... so konami is playing carefully, and dun forget that Konami and Kojima especially are PS lovers.

2mrw
Great points. I can't blame Kojima for being a PS lover. He stands by his fellow Japanese businesses, first. At one time that was admirable and the norm in America. But we're given freedom, and can individually do as we please.
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#38 gamenerd15
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MGS 4 was built on PS3. It was made specifically to take advantage of that system. Yes lost odyssey and Blue Dragon were on multiple discs, and those games while they look good for graphics, MGS 4 looks better. Also it has a lot of cinematic sequences, If Blue Dragon and Lost odyssey took up 4 discs than MGS 4 would probably take up more. The game is about 75% to 80% movie, so I mean on one disc there might not be anything to play. You also forget about package costs. I highly doubt the laziness of the lost odyssey packaging piling one disc on top of another.

Also when buying a system, you might want to look into more than just one game. I am not saying buy multiple games at a time. I made up a rule, if a system has 5 exclusives or more that I at least want to try out, I will get the system. There is well over 5 exclusives on the other system worth at leas trying out. I wish the hatred for systems would stop? Each system has enough good games to be worth buying.

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#39 d-high29
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at least were getting a mgs game