Man talk about something i would like to own, the New Xbox360. Since now it just made my recently purchased Elite a disappointment. Not only do i not get to enjoy the fact i just spent the money on replacing my failing but trusting first xbox360, that i have had to repair on my own to make through the last few years of enjoyable game play. I could care less that the red ring would kill it sometime soon, which it did when Halo 3 came. Then the years of repair and fun came out of it. Finally Xbox put out something i was positive on getting and excited to put forth more money to replacing my current for something new. My purchase was more then a month and a half ago, i got to enjoy some gameplay out of my elite and now as a customer of Microsoft im quite upset. Why, reason being that now my recently purchased Elite and new harddrive as well cost me some money. Not only will i lose out my pocket, but companies like GameStop, (Sorry not to bash but thats the first company that came to mind so lets be real) will earn even more money from those recent purchases thanks to there trading gimics. Example: i just spent $300 on my elite w/120gig HD and $130 on a 250gig HD...I just spent close to $500 which would include tax as well for my area. Now cause of the recent release of the New Xbox360 the value of my recent purchase drops, my interest is now the NEW setup. Now i want to return my Elite but there is a problem. Knowing of what Gamestops programs are like, man i'm about to lose quite a bit out of my $500 purchase and i'm gonna have to fork out the cash to cover the difference just to get my hands on the new product. Smart move by pushing out the bundles......now here comes the deals and return policy....Talk about letting your customers down............... Xbox Live Gamertag: xxWolverine81xx
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It's your own fault.
I was looking at buying an Elite or a PS3 slim as my current (Pro) Xbox is freezing frequently, but I held off to see what came out at E3. I'm glad I did, because I like the look of the new Slim 360 and it's the same price I would have paid for a 120GB Elite.
Never purchase any consoles until after E3.
Releasing this new console kind of s**ts on everyone that bought an early version. Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft have been really bad about it this generation of consoles, and it'll make me wary of purchasing the next line of consoles next generation.
I'm just mainly irritated this new console comes with wireless internet, when it clearly should've been included with the original console, instead of priced as an accessory for an extra $100.
It probably wasn't very wise on the TC's part to purchase a new console right before E3, but I can see why it's frustrating.
if its only a month and a half old im sure you can think of a way of saying the console is faulty... i bought my elite around the same time you did and for some reason it became "faulty" today i took it back got my £199.99 back for it on in store credit, used £20 of that for my deposit and im good to go... 16th of july i get my new xbox...Man talk about something i would like to own, the New Xbox360. Since now it just made my recently purchased Elite a disappointment. Not only do i not get to enjoy the fact i just spent the money on replacing my failing but trusting first xbox360, that i have had to repair on my own to make through the last few years of enjoyable game play. I could care less that the red ring would kill it sometime soon, which it did when Halo 3 came. Then the years of repair and fun came out of it. Finally Xbox put out something i was positive on getting and excited to put forth more money to replacing my current for something new. My purchase was more then a month and a half ago, i got to enjoy some gameplay out of my elite and now as a customer of Microsoft im quite upset. Why, reason being that now my recently purchased Elite and new harddrive as well cost me some money. Not only will i lose out my pocket, but companies like GameStop, (Sorry not to bash but thats the first company that came to mind so lets be real) will earn even more money from those recent purchases thanks to there trading gimics. Example: i just spent $300 on my elite w/120gig HD and $130 on a 250gig HD...I just spent close to $500 which would include tax as well for my area. Now cause of the recent release of the New Xbox360 the value of my recent purchase drops, my interest is now the NEW setup. Now i want to return my Elite but there is a problem. Knowing of what Gamestops programs are like, man i'm about to lose quite a bit out of my $500 purchase and i'm gonna have to fork out the cash to cover the difference just to get my hands on the new product. Smart move by pushing out the bundles......now here comes the deals and return policy....Talk about letting your customers down............... Xbox Live Gamertag: xxWolverine81xx
wolverine_2007
The car analogy fails because new cars come out every year. New game consoles are far less predictable.El_Zo1212o
No, not really. Consoles have been receiving regular updates for a while now. Even if we dont always know the exact date ahead of time, it doesn't take a psychic to know theyWILL come out.
Will people that buy this 'new' Xbox have the right to complain when that version is inevitably updated or there's a next-gen Xbox announced? And will the peope who buy this next-gen Xbox have the right to complain when that inevitably gets updated and replaced? And so on and so on? At some point, you have to realize there's a pattern emerging, and you have to expect that your 'technologically-based' product WILL become outdated and WILL be replaced with something better in the future. Thats what my car analogy was trying to get across, so its not relevant whether my analogy was 'perfect' or not.
i bought new drive for my girlfriend xbox, and sorry i didnt hear all the slim rumors or get wind til after my purchase...to say i'm mad at the company isnt what i said....i said its a dissapointmentwolverine_2007Both Xbox versions play the same games, have the same capablities (except for wireless, and no serious gamer uses wireless for online gaming unless they want sketchy, laggy gameplay), and function exactly the same. Plus the 360 has been improved to the point that they are MUCH more reliable than they used to be. So in terms of performance, capabilities, functionality, and reliability, they are basically identical. So the only real difference is style, and I don't know about you but I probably spend less than 10 seconds looking at my console per day. You got yourself a decent rig, why don't you enjoy it instead of green grassing yourself out of your satisfaction.
No, not really. Consoles have been receiving regular updates for a while now. Even if we dont always know the exact date ahead of time, it doesn't take a psychic to know theyWILL come out.
Will people that buy this 'new' Xbox have the right to complain when that version is inevitably updated or there's a next-gen Xbox announced? And will the peope who buy this next-gen Xbox have the right to complain when that inevitably gets updated and replaced? And so on and so on? At some point, you have to realize there's a pattern emerging, and you have to expect that your 'technologically-based' product WILL become outdated and WILL be replaced with something better in the future. Thats what my car analogy was trying to get across, so its not relevant whether my analogy was 'perfect' or not.
El_Zo1212o
Consoles are going to be updated, but the rate at which they are is NOT consistant. With the PS 1 and Nintendo 64, there was ONE graphical card update and then the release of a slimmer PS. With the Gamecube, PS2, and XBox, the only one with a true model update was the PS2, which just made the model slimmer.
This generation, we had the PS3 decide less than 3 years after its initial release to cut it's price by $200 (screwing initial buyers) and double the hard drive space.. Now we're having a 360 slim include wireless. These features should've been included in the original console. Not exactly what I call "consistant."
[QUOTE="wolverine_2007"]i bought new drive for my girlfriend xbox, and sorry i didnt hear all the slim rumors or get wind til after my purchase...to say i'm mad at the company isnt what i said....i said its a dissapointmentsixgears2Both Xbox versions play the same games, have the same capablities (except for wireless, and no serious gamer uses wireless for online gaming unless they want sketchy, laggy gameplay), and function exactly the same. Plus the 360 has been improved to the point that they are MUCH more reliable than they used to be. So in terms of performance, capabilities, functionality, and reliability, they are basically identical. So the only real difference is style, and I don't know about you but I probably spend less than 10 seconds looking at my console per day. You got yourself a decent rig, why don't you enjoy it instead of green grassing yourself out of your satisfaction.
My "crappy" wireless plays at better speeds than most of my friends with wired connections. It would be SO mcuh easier and smarter to route a cat5 through two ceilings to my xbox on the top floor...
[QUOTE="seankane"]
[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]
Consoles are going to be updated, but the rate at which they are is NOT consistant. With the PS 1 and Nintendo 64, there was ONE graphical card update and then the release of a slimmer PS. With the Gamecube, PS2, and XBox, the only one with a true model update was the PS2, which just made the model slimmer.
This generation, we had the PS3 decide less than 3 years after its initial release to cut it's price by $200 (screwing initial buyers) and double the hard drive space.. Now we're having a 360 slim include wireless. These features should've been included in the original console. Not exactly what I call "consistant."
[QUOTE="wolverine_2007"]i bought new drive for my girlfriend xbox, and sorry i didnt hear all the slim rumors or get wind til after my purchase...to say i'm mad at the company isnt what i said....i said its a dissapointmentsixgears2Both Xbox versions play the same games, have the same capablities (except for wireless, and no serious gamer uses wireless for online gaming unless they want sketchy, laggy gameplay), and function exactly the same. Plus the 360 has been improved to the point that they are MUCH more reliable than they used to be. So in terms of performance, capabilities, functionality, and reliability, they are basically identical. So the only real difference is style, and I don't know about you but I probably spend less than 10 seconds looking at my console per day. You got yourself a decent rig, why don't you enjoy it instead of green grassing yourself out of your satisfaction.
My "crappy" wireless plays at better speeds than most of my friends with wired connections. It would SO easier and smarter to route a cat5 from two floors down to my xbox on the top floor...
And I guarantee you that it would run even faster if you wired it. If you live in a three story house, I'm sure you have enough ports to add another modem closer to the box or just move the box itself. Anyway, if it works for you, that's great. Point is that wired connections are vastly preferable. Most people don't live in mansions, and for me (and most people I know) it isn't that big of a deal to wire from the living room to the bedroom or to just play in the den or living room.[QUOTE="IzzieWaru"][QUOTE="seankane"] Both Xbox versions play the same games, have the same capablities (except for wireless, and no serious gamer uses wireless for online gaming unless they want sketchy, laggy gameplay), and function exactly the same. Plus the 360 has been improved to the point that they are MUCH more reliable than they used to be. So in terms of performance, capabilities, functionality, and reliability, they are basically identical. So the only real difference is style, and I don't know about you but I probably spend less than 10 seconds looking at my console per day. You got yourself a decent rig, why don't you enjoy it instead of green grassing yourself out of your satisfaction. sixgears2
My "crappy" wireless plays at better speeds than most of my friends with wired connections. It would SO easier and smarter to route a cat5 from two floors down to my xbox on the top floor...
And I guarantee you that it would run even faster if you wired it. If you live in a three story house, I'm sure you have enough ports to add another modem closer to the box or just move the box itself. Anyway, if it works for you, that's great. Point is that wired connections are vastly preferable. Most people don't live in mansions, and for me (and most people I know) it isn't that big of a deal to wire from the living room to the bedroom or to just play in the den or living room.Don't really know what your point is now. Why would I move my console or drill holes in my walls if wireless works fine? Obviously, a lot of people want it since Microsoft decided to put one in its newest console, which should've happened when it was released, not years afterwards after charging $100 for it. Every other console didn't charge extra for it, and Microsoft shouldn't have either. It doesn't really matter if you think it's slower.
[QUOTE="sixgears2"][QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]
My "crappy" wireless plays at better speeds than most of my friends with wired connections. It would SO easier and smarter to route a cat5 from two floors down to my xbox on the top floor...
And I guarantee you that it would run even faster if you wired it. If you live in a three story house, I'm sure you have enough ports to add another modem closer to the box or just move the box itself. Anyway, if it works for you, that's great. Point is that wired connections are vastly preferable. Most people don't live in mansions, and for me (and most people I know) it isn't that big of a deal to wire from the living room to the bedroom or to just play in the den or living room.Don't really know what your point is now. Why would I move my console or drill holes in my walls if wireless works fine? Obviously, a lot of people want it since Microsoft decided to put one in its newest console, which should've happened when it was released, not years afterwards after charging $100 for it. Every other console didn't charge extra for it, and Microsoft shouldn't have either. It doesn't really matter if you think it's slower.
My point is that if you want performance and it's possible to do so, you're probably going to wire your console. Every single gamer I know does this. This means that wireless is a useless feature for most gamers, and thus not really a major selling point for a new console version unless you happen to be part of the small minority (like yourself) that absolutely has to use wireless because of their house setup or any other reason. The TC didn't say he bought a wireless adapter, so he obviously doesn't need the wireless feature, therefore there's no point in him wishing he had it and he should just enjoy his Elite.[QUOTE="IzzieWaru"][QUOTE="sixgears2"] And I guarantee you that it would run even faster if you wired it. If you live in a three story house, I'm sure you have enough ports to add another modem closer to the box or just move the box itself. Anyway, if it works for you, that's great. Point is that wired connections are vastly preferable. Most people don't live in mansions, and for me (and most people I know) it isn't that big of a deal to wire from the living room to the bedroom or to just play in the den or living room.sixgears2
Don't really know what your point is now. Why would I move my console or drill holes in my walls if wireless works fine? Obviously, a lot of people want it since Microsoft decided to put one in its newest console, which should've happened when it was released, not years afterwards after charging $100 for it. Every other console didn't charge extra for it, and Microsoft shouldn't have either. It doesn't really matter if you think it's slower.
My point is that if you want performance and it's possible to do so, you're probably going to wire your console. Every single gamer I know does this. This means that wireless is a useless feature for most gamers, and thus not really a major selling point for a new console version unless you happen to be part of the small minority (like yourself) that absolutely has to use wireless because of their house setup or any other reason. The TC didn't say he bought a wireless adapter, so he obviously doesn't need the wireless feature, therefore there's no point in him wishing he had it and he should just enjoy his Elite.That was MY gripe about the console, so what exactly is your point? Also, because your friends are wired does not make them a deciding majority. If only more than 30% of gamers use wireless, that's more than enough consumers to account for. Obviously, it's not a "useless" feature if all 3 consoles now support it.
Consoles are going to be updated, but the rate at which they are is NOT consistant. With the PS 1 and Nintendo 64, there was ONE graphical card update and then the release of a slimmer PS. With the Gamecube, PS2, and XBox, the only one with a true model update was the PS2, which just made the model slimmer.
This generation, we had the PS3 decide less than 3 years after its initial release to cut it's price by $200 (screwing initial buyers) and double the hard drive space.. Now we're having a 360 slim include wireless. These features should've been included in the original console. Not exactly what I call "consistant."
IzzieWaru
The rate doesn't matter. Just know that it WILL happen eventually. Thats something you can count on.
The rest of your case just makes you sound like a consumer who has an over-inflated sense of entitlement.
For one, the PS3, which has gone down $200 over THREE years. Is that really that bad? Do you buy a computer and then three years later complain that you can get a computer twice as good for the same money? Thats simply the price you pay to have technology when its 'new'(or 'newer'). Its a choice you make as a consumer - do you wait, and get something better later on for the same price? Or do you not want to wait, so pay the amount being asked(which is not done to screw the consumer over, but to start making back money on all the R&D and manufacturing costs and whatnot)? Neither choice is more 'right' than the other, its just how technologically-based products work. If you haven't figured this out yet, then I dont know what to say.....
Two, complaining that a feature should be included or not is not up to you decide. Not including built-in wireless was a strategy by Microsoft to keep the price of the console down. Instead of *making* you pay for it, they gave you the option of paying for it. For some, this was annoying, because $100 is a lot extra to pay. But instead of just seeing a $299 console without wi-fi, you've gotta look at it as a $399 console w/wi-fi. If Microsoft had done that, and never had a $299 console in the first place, it would have seemed normal. But instead, they gave you a choice. Not everybody plays online, so not everybody is gonna want to pay extra for something they wouldn't use, while others dont need 'wireless' connectivity(a $5 ethernet cable will do in many people's cases) and there's also cheaper alternatives to the Microsoft official adapter.
Seriously, any technologically-driven product is gonna experience this same kind of phenomenon. It WILL become outdated andyou WILL be able to get more for the same money if you wait til later on. Its a choice we have to make as a consumer. You cant call Dell, ask for their very top-line computer, but then only expect to pay what it'll cost in 3 years time. Its just not how this works.
[QUOTE="sixgears2"][QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]
Don't really know what your point is now. Why would I move my console or drill holes in my walls if wireless works fine? Obviously, a lot of people want it since Microsoft decided to put one in its newest console, which should've happened when it was released, not years afterwards after charging $100 for it. Every other console didn't charge extra for it, and Microsoft shouldn't have either. It doesn't really matter if you think it's slower.
My point is that if you want performance and it's possible to do so, you're probably going to wire your console. Every single gamer I know does this. This means that wireless is a useless feature for most gamers, and thus not really a major selling point for a new console version unless you happen to be part of the small minority (like yourself) that absolutely has to use wireless because of their house setup or any other reason. The TC didn't say he bought a wireless adapter, so he obviously doesn't need the wireless feature, therefore there's no point in him wishing he had it and he should just enjoy his Elite.That was MY gripe about the console, so what exactly is your point? Also, because your friends are wired does not make them a deciding majority. If only more than 30% of gamers use wireless, that's more than enough consumers to account for. Obviously, it's not a "useless" feature if all 3 consoles now support it.
Look, my comment was not aimed at you. Not entirely sure why you are getting so defensive about it. If you could wire your console, I'm sure you would because it is faster. If you wouldn't, then you're silly for not maximizing your potential performance. And the other consoles include wireless, it's true. I own all three, and all three are wired to the router. Most people don't really need wireless to make their setup work, so most of the time that feature is a moot point. Looks nice on the back of a box, but it isn't very necessary in practice. And I would say that 70-100 people (my friends list) from different walks of life in different parts of the world who ALL use wired connections due to their performance is pretty representative of the gaming community. I will promise you that the number of exclusive wireless users is nowhere near 30%. I would actually be shocked if it is above 10-15%. But none of this matters, there are obviously exceptions to every generalization and this discussion is a waste of time. TC, enjoy your Elite and don't get hung up on missing out on features that you don't really need anyway. Good luck to ya.There shouldn't be anything wrong with your 360, so I wouldn't be let down. Besides the slims might have problems, imo it's better to wait a few months and see what other people are saying about it. If you really feel that way sell it then get this one, I'm sure there's a lot of people who don't care which version they get.bigd575I always wait at least a month to pick up a new model of anything (unless it's a free upgrade).
[QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]
Consoles are going to be updated, but the rate at which they are is NOT consistant. With the PS 1 and Nintendo 64, there was ONE graphical card update and then the release of a slimmer PS. With the Gamecube, PS2, and XBox, the only one with a true model update was the PS2, which just made the model slimmer.
This generation, we had the PS3 decide less than 3 years after its initial release to cut it's price by $200 (screwing initial buyers) and double the hard drive space.. Now we're having a 360 slim include wireless. These features should've been included in the original console. Not exactly what I call "consistant."
seankane
The rate doesn't matter. Just know that it WILL happen eventually. Thats something you can count on.
The rest of your case just makes you sound like a consumer who has an over-inflated sense of entitlement.
For one, the PS3, which has gone down $200 over THREE years. Is that really that bad? Do you buy a computer and then three years later complain that you can get a computer twice as good for the same money? Thats simply the price you pay to have technology when its 'new'(or 'newer'). Its a choice you make as a consumer - do you wait, and get something better later on for the same price? Or do you not want to wait, so pay the amount being asked(which is not done to screw the consumer over, but to start making back money on all the R&D and manufacturing costs and whatnot)? Neither choice is more 'right' than the other, its just how technologically-based products work. If you haven't figured this out yet, then I dont know what to say.....
Two, complaining that a feature should be included or not is not up to you decide. Not including built-in wireless was a strategy by Microsoft to keep the price of the console down. Instead of *making* you pay for it, they gave you the option of paying for it. For some, this was annoying, because $100 is a lot extra to pay. But instead of just seeing a $299 console without wi-fi, you've gotta look at it as a $399 console w/wi-fi. If Microsoft had done that, and never had a $299 console in the first place, it would have seemed normal. But instead, they gave you a choice. Not everybody plays online, so not everybody is gonna want to pay extra for something they wouldn't use, while others dont need 'wireless' connectivity(a $5 ethernet cable will do in many people's cases) and there's also cheaper alternatives to the Microsoft official adapter.
Seriously, any technologically-driven product is gonna experience this same kind of phenomenon. It WILL become outdated andyou WILL be able to get more for the same money if you wait til later on. Its a choice we have to make as a consumer. You cant call Dell, ask for their very top-line computer, but then only expect to pay what it'll cost in 3 years time. Its just not how this works.
I, along with a lot of other console-players, play on consoles versus PC's to AVOID the constant updating. I'm not even sure how this is relevant, because I'm not suggesting it unfair that Microsoft release a newer console. I'm not arguing it's unfair they re-release the system so it's quieter and contains more hard drive space. Those are understandable updates. The complaint is that it contains a feature that should've been included with the original console.
Also, consoles do NOT update at the same rate as other electronics.
Also, re-read this sentence: "complaining that a feature should be included or not is not up to you decide."
It IS up for me to decide my own opinions on something. BECAUSE IT IS AN OPINION. I think it was silly Microsoft decide to make an extra penny by deliberately seperately packaging something even Nintendo was capable of including in their system. Just as it was stupid that last generation's Xbox have consumers pay buy a special DVD remote play DVDs on their xbox, when clearly the DVD drive was already installed, but Microsoft wanted to make some extra money. No matter how difficult it may be for you to understand, you disagreeing with me on Microsoft's motives does not make my "opinion" wrong.
Stating that Microsoft needs extra money to make up for their own design flaws that caused RoD doesn't really make sense, especially when this was a decision on their part since of the release of the console, before RoD was even evident. If this is really an argument you're making, I'd like to see some statistics on how this lack of wireless on their console is saving Microsoft financially.
And for the 3rd time, just because YOU do not use wireless does not mean that there is a large population of people that don't. If ALL THREE consoles currently support wireless with their consoles, then CLEARLY people are using it.
As for the PS3 price-drop, even though it's not really worth discussing so I'm dropping it after this, but: it took three years for the 360 to drop its price by $50. It also took the Wii 3 years to drop it's price by $50. It took the Playstation 3 less than 3 years to drop it's unit price by $200?
"For some, this was annoying, because $100 is a lot extra to pay. But instead of just seeing a $299 console without wi-fi, you've gotta look at it as a $399 console w/wi-fi. If Microsoft had done that, and never had a $299 console in the first place, it would have seemed normal."
The 360 wasn't $300 until 2008.
Electronics advance and drop in price. New consumers always get more for their money. It has always been that way for electronics and always will. It's REALLY stupid to blame Microsoft for it.KC_Hokie
What he said.
[QUOTE="IzzieWaru"][QUOTE="sixgears2"] My point is that if you want performance and it's possible to do so, you're probably going to wire your console. Every single gamer I know does this. This means that wireless is a useless feature for most gamers, and thus not really a major selling point for a new console version unless you happen to be part of the small minority (like yourself) that absolutely has to use wireless because of their house setup or any other reason. The TC didn't say he bought a wireless adapter, so he obviously doesn't need the wireless feature, therefore there's no point in him wishing he had it and he should just enjoy his Elite. sixgears2
That was MY gripe about the console, so what exactly is your point? Also, because your friends are wired does not make them a deciding majority. If only more than 30% of gamers use wireless, that's more than enough consumers to account for. Obviously, it's not a "useless" feature if all 3 consoles now support it.
Look, my comment was not aimed at you. Not entirely sure why you are getting so defensive about it. If you could wire your console, I'm sure you would because it is faster. If you wouldn't, then you're silly for not maximizing your potential performance. And the other consoles include wireless, it's true. I own all three, and all three are wired to the router. Most people don't really need wireless to make their setup work, so most of the time that feature is a moot point. Looks nice on the back of a box, but it isn't very necessary in practice. And I would say that 70-100 people (my friends list) from different walks of life in different parts of the world who ALL use wired connections due to their performance is pretty representative of the gaming community. I will promise you that the number of exclusive wireless users is nowhere near 30%. I would actually be shocked if it is above 10-15%. But none of this matters, there are obviously exceptions to every generalization and this discussion is a waste of time. TC, enjoy your Elite and don't get hung up on missing out on features that you don't really need anyway. Good luck to ya.All of my friends that have xbox live have wireless. I have another 20 or so friends that have an xbox but don't have live because they don't want to pay for an adapter and cant wire their connection. Most people don't want to drill through ceilings and walls just for internet. It's too inconvenient to get a wired connection.
Your complaining is ridiculous. You have the console AND 250 GB HDD. The only thing your missing is the design and the wi-fi. And really, that's nothing to complaining about. If you're already connected to XBL, it shouldn't even matter(regarding the wi-fi). So Microsoft wasn't letting anyone down. You just had timing. Plus, I think it's just plain sense to wait for E3 to see if Microsoft is gonna unveil anything. Besides, you still have a woorking 360, don't you? You're just mad because you don't a "fancy" one. I bought my second 360 a year ago, and now it really makes me wanna wait, but I' not complaining. I'm just gonna grin and bear it.Man talk about something i would like to own, the New Xbox360. Since now it just made my recently purchased Elite a disappointment. Not only do i not get to enjoy the fact i just spent the money on replacing my failing but trusting first xbox360, that i have had to repair on my own to make through the last few years of enjoyable game play. I could care less that the red ring would kill it sometime soon, which it did when Halo 3 came. Then the years of repair and fun came out of it. Finally Xbox put out something i was positive on getting and excited to put forth more money to replacing my current for something new. My purchase was more then a month and a half ago, i got to enjoy some gameplay out of my elite and now as a customer of Microsoft im quite upset. Why, reason being that now my recently purchased Elite and new harddrive as well cost me some money. Not only will i lose out my pocket, but companies like GameStop, (Sorry not to bash but thats the first company that came to mind so lets be real) will earn even more money from those recent purchases thanks to there trading gimics. Example: i just spent $300 on my elite w/120gig HD and $130 on a 250gig HD...I just spent close to $500 which would include tax as well for my area. Now cause of the recent release of the New Xbox360 the value of my recent purchase drops, my interest is now the NEW setup. Now i want to return my Elite but there is a problem. Knowing of what Gamestops programs are like, man i'm about to lose quite a bit out of my $500 purchase and i'm gonna have to fork out the cash to cover the difference just to get my hands on the new product. Smart move by pushing out the bundles......now here comes the deals and return policy....Talk about letting your customers down............... Xbox Live Gamertag: xxWolverine81xx
wolverine_2007
Well as i see it you have an xbox 360 elite play it and enjoy!
Maybe you will research into what you are buying before just going out and spending like £150... i cant say i have any sympathy for you at all...
Also this stuff about gamestop 'conning' you by putting offers on 360 bundles when a new console is to be released, this shows you clearly have no idea about pricing strategies and in many ways they did you a favour! A month and a half ago the slimline 360 was a rumour so how were they to know?
I, along with a lot of other console-players, play on consoles versus PC's to AVOID the constant updating. I'm not even sure how this is relevant, because I'm not suggesting it unfair that Microsoft release a newer console. I'm not arguing it's unfair they re-release the system so it's quieter and contains more hard drive space. Those are understandable updates. The complaint is that it contains a feature that should've been included with the original console. IzzieWaru
You still haven't shown how they 'should have' included anything. What a consumers *wants* is quite different from what a company can provide, and still make a profit.
Also, consoles do NOT update at the same rate as other electronics.IzzieWaru
What a broad, meaningless statement. For one, the updating schedule of consoles has changed from gen to gen, an of course not every electronic item will recieve updates at the same rate. This is relevant, how?
Also, re-read this sentence: "complaining that a feature should be included or not is not up to you decide."It IS up for me to decide my own opinions on something. BECAUSE IT IS AN OPINION. I think it was silly Microsoft decide to make an extra penny by deliberately seperately packaging something even Nintendo was capable of including in their system. Just as it was stupid that last generation's Xbox have consumers pay buy a special DVD remote play DVDs on their xbox, when clearly the DVD drive was already installed, but Microsoft wanted to make some extra money. No matter how difficult it may be for you to understand, you disagreeing with me on Microsoft's motives does not make my "opinion" wrong.IzzieWaru
No, its not up to you to decide, and its not a matter of opinion, either. Its a matter of profit/cost ratios, and its something I'm guessing you haven't even thought for a second about. You just seem like the millionth person I've hear on here who seems to think that anytime a company tries to make some money, its 'greed'. And like I said, many people probably saved money by them not packaging wi-fi into the console.
Stating that Microsoft needs extra money to make up for their own design flaws that caused RoD doesn't really make sense, especially when this was a decision on their part since of the release of the console, before RoD was even evident. If this is really an argument you're making, I'd like to see some statistics on how this lack of wireless on their console is saving Microsoft financially.IzzieWaru
I never stated any such thing. You're just making stuff up at this point.
And for the 3rd time, just because YOU do not use wireless does not mean that there is a large population of people that don't. If ALL THREE consoles currently support wireless with their consoles, then CLEARLY people are using it. IzzieWaru
When did I say I didn't use wireless? I do. I just found a cheaper way of doing it than paying for the $100 official adapter. Sorry if you weren't smart enough to do the same.
I also never said that people dont use wireless, although I'm quite sure there's a decent percentage of people who dont.
As for the PS3 price-drop, even though it's not really worth discussing so I'm dropping it after this, but: it took three years for the 360 to drop its price by $50. It also took the Wii 3 years to drop it's price by $50. It took the Playstation 3 less than 3 years to drop it's unit price by $200?"For some, this was annoying, because $100 is a lot extra to pay. But instead of just seeing a $299 console without wi-fi, you've gotta look at it as a $399 console w/wi-fi. If Microsoft had done that, and never had a $299 console in the first place, it would have seemed normal."
The 360 wasn't $300 until 2008.
IzzieWaru
Saying that the Xbox360 only dropped in price by $50 over three years is a grossly misleading statement. Its like saying that computers haven't dropped in price at all over the past 10 years, even though its quite clear that you're getting much more for your money these days. Its not just the raw price points, but what you're getting for your money that 'improves' over time.
Also, there *was* $300 360's since the very beginning.
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