MS and the NSA ?

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#1 Supes_24
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http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/07/11/report-microsoft-collaborated-to-deliver-encrypted-user-data-to-nsa.aspx There's the link. What's the communities opinion on this?
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http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/07/11/report-microsoft-collaborated-to-deliver-encrypted-user-data-to-nsa.aspx There's the link. What's the communities opinion on this? Supes_24

Well, it also shows that it's not just MS...so we just have to get use to this being the norm.

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#3 Exiled_Badger
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Not only MS does that.
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#4 Legolas_Katarn
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Expected, I don't know who would be surprised at this
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Surprised or not surprised...it still sucks.

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#6 Supes_24
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Exactly, it sucks. Even though it was all rumors at first. Now they sell out on pre orders and we see this article pop up. It's just BS knowing that my Xbox can randomly listen in on my household conversations is quite unsettling to me. I value my privacy and this infringes upon that. Just sucks big time.
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#7 Gargus
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Its one thing for a company to record passive data on its users, every company does that to some extent and I cant accept that.

But Microsoft took it even further by giving the NSA the vertible keys to the golden kingdom by giving them encryption data and signing up with them basically giving them access to virtually everything the xbox one states is a feature.

Even though it was all rumors at first. Supes_24

Actualy it was never a rumor. The washingpost was about the first to reveal the information, they had the NSA's slides from the PRISM presentation a month ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/

prism-slide-4.jpg

And the NSA has a nifty little loophole for warrants on data. They dont need a warrant if they record or collect data as it is being transmitted. They only need a warrant if they wish to retrieve stored data.

So yes, you can thank microsoft for signing you up to be completely invaded by the NSA if they wish through your xbox one.

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#11 SolidTy
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The NYC bombing says NSA is not doing a good job anyway.magicalclick

I'm not some defender of the NSA, but how can you know what was stopped? We only know a portion of the story. According to the FBI the NSA stopped NYC bombing plotsinvolving more than that one bombing, including the subway system, New York Office, and the New York Stock Exchange. Those events didn't happen because the terrorists were arrested. They got one bomb off, and not the rest. That's a lot of saved lives. That opinion you threw out wasn't researched very well and came off as incredibly ignorant, no offense. I'm just surprised to read that after reading about plots that have been uncovered recently all over the news.

On the flip side, I think this covert spying on innocent citizens is an infringement on their rightsand it doesn't sit well with me.

Recent article posted yesterday:

How Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages

Secret files show scale of Silicon Valley co-operation on Prism

Outlook.com encryption unlocked even before official launch

Skype worked to enable Prism collection of video calls

Company says it is legally compelled to comply

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Posted today at Gamespot.com:

Microsoft allegedly assisted the National Security Agency (NSA) to intercept user communications.

According to reports, Microsoft assisted in the circumvention of its encryption for various communication services, included Oulook.com, Hotmail, Skype, and cloud storage service SkyDrive.

According to the report, Microsoft also coordinated with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to assist the NSA in its data collection.

Microsoft also coordinated with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to assist the NSA in its data collection. An individual warrant is not required by the secret surveillance court to collect these communications, so long as the NSA holds a 51 percent belief a target is not a US citizen and is not on US soil at the time of collection.

Earlier this year Microsoft revealed Skype would be integrated into their next-gen Xbox One console. The console will support Skype video calling using Kinect voice and gesture controls to execute onscreen actions.

The collection of communication data was executed using a program codenamed Prism, which purportedly collects information from Google, Microsoft, Facebook and Apple.

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[QUOTE="magicalclick"]The NYC bombing says NSA is not doing a good job anyway.SolidTy

I'm not some defender of the NSA, but how can you know what was stopped? We only know a portion of the story. According to the FBI the NSA stopped NYC bombing plotsinvolving more than that one bombing, including the subway system, New York Office, and the New York Stock Exchange. Those events didn't happen because the terrorists were arrested. They got one bomb off, and not the rest. That's a lot of saved lives. That opinion you threw out wasn't researched very well and came off as incredibly ignorant, no offense. I'm just surprised to read that after reading about plots that have been uncovered recently all over the news.

On the flip side, I think this covert spying on innocent citizens is an infringement on their rightsand it doesn't sit well with me.

Recent article posted yesterday:

How Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages

Secret files show scale of Silicon Valley co-operation on Prism

Outlook.com encryption unlocked even before official launch

Skype worked to enable Prism collection of video calls

Company says it is legally compelled to comply

----


Posted today at Gamespot.com:

Microsoft allegedly assisted the National Security Agency (NSA) to intercept user communications.

According to reports, Microsoft assisted in the circumvention of its encryption for various communication services, included Oulook.com, Hotmail, Skype, and cloud storage service SkyDrive.

According to the report, Microsoft also coordinated with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to assist the NSA in its data collection.

Microsoft also coordinated with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to assist the NSA in its data collection. An individual warrant is not required by the secret surveillance court to collect these communications, so long as the NSA holds a 51 percent belief a target is not a US citizen and is not on US soil at the time of collection.

Earlier this year Microsoft revealed Skype would be integrated into their next-gen Xbox One console. The console will support Skype video calling using Kinect voice and gesture controls to execute onscreen actions.

The collection of communication data was executed using a program codenamed Prism, which purportedly collects information from Google, Microsoft, Facebook and Apple.

the government created the terrorist plots and then "foiled them" them to make it appear as though their police state infrastructure is needed for safety when in fact it is not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxR3ytbX2xU if you think i'm making this up watch this video as well. it's absolutely clear that these "terror plots" are both faked and sensationalized on tv for propaganda purposes for the sole purpose of the destruction of the bill of rights. the same eyewitness just happened to be at BOTH boston marathon and a seperate shooting in the city. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s89y7uE9u4Q another bunch of BULLSHIT is that "sandy hook shooting" - a bunch of lying sack of shit actors is what they all are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWgCRBR5qE
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if you have nothing to hide then dont even think about it. 

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#14 buccomatic
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if you have nothing to hide then dont even think about it. 

XxAK47xX
we'll discuss this at further length (up close and personal) when we have you imprisoned in the gulags which you have built for us. but if you have done nothing wrong, then you'll be released after a few years, maybe. so don't worry about it if you have nothing to hide.
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[QUOTE="XxAK47xX"]

if you have nothing to hide then dont even think about it. 

buccomatic
we'll discuss this at further length (up close and personal) when we have you imprisoned in the gulags which you have built for us. but if you have done nothing wrong, then you'll be released after a few years, maybe. so don't worry about it if you have nothing to hide.

but if they have nothing on you or your not being suspicious, why would they even scan your stuff twice.
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#17 buccomatic
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[QUOTE="buccomatic"][QUOTE="XxAK47xX"]

if you have nothing to hide then dont even think about it. 

XxAK47xX

we'll discuss this at further length (up close and personal) when we have you imprisoned in the gulags which you have built for us. but if you have done nothing wrong, then you'll be released after a few years, maybe. so don't worry about it if you have nothing to hide.

but if they have nothing on you or your not being suspicious, why would they even scan your stuff twice.

it's going to be fun watching you proclaim "wait! that wasn't supposed to happen to us!" from inside your prison cell with irons on your legs and hands, captain arrogance. 

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#18 MarcRecon
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if you have nothing to hide then dont even think about it. 

XxAK47xX

Regardless whether you have somethingto hide or not...a line should be drawn when it come's to your privacy

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#19 MarcRecon
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[QUOTE="XxAK47xX"][QUOTE="buccomatic"]we'll discuss this at further length (up close and personal) when we have you imprisoned in the gulags which you have built for us. but if you have done nothing wrong, then you'll be released after a few years, maybe. so don't worry about it if you have nothing to hide.buccomatic

but if they have nothing on you or your not being suspicious, why would they even scan your stuff twice.

it's going to be fun watching you proclaim "wait! that wasn't supposed to happen to us!" from inside your prison cell with irons on your legs and hands, captain arrogance. 

:P...don't call him that, this is a hard subject to accept! Be patient when it comes to sharing challenging informatiom.

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#20 XxAK47xX
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[QUOTE="XxAK47xX"]

if you have nothing to hide then dont even think about it. 

MarcRecon

Regardless whether you have somethingto hide or not...a line should be drawn when it come's to your privacy

cool cool but people are acting like its all the microsofts fault. like this shit is brand new out of the box. 

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#21 liandrikonflict
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-maker-microsoft-facilitated-collection-of-private-skype-and-email-transmissions-report-6411352 Over 5000 comments the article just vanished into thin air...?
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#22 ShaineTheNerd
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Saw a thread on here about how MS is apparently "begging" the NSA to release how the Xbox and NSA are working together. Do you think it's something bad if they're "begging" to release the info? It's overblown.