odst vs gears of war 2

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#1 firedemon1
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horde is more fun. in odst you get share the 8 lives and then its over. in gears you can get revived twice per round. in firefight you only get a small amout of ammo but in gears you can just get the ammo box and you are ready to go. so much better with a ammo box!!! why can't odst have a ammo box in the middle of the map?

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#2 sixgears2
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1. Not even the same genre of game 2. Does anyone still play these games these days? 3. Horde is better. :)
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#3 TheMightyHoov
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1. Not even the same genre of game 2. Does anyone still play these games these days? 3. Horde is better. :)sixgears2

Yes a lot of people still play them. Well at least Gears 2 for what I know. Yes horde is much better.

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#4 vashkey
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[QUOTE="sixgears2"]1. Not even the same genre of game 2. Does anyone still play these games these days?

1. They're both shooters 2. http://majornelson.com/archive/2010/04/07/live-activity-for-week-of-march-29.aspx Their among the top fifteen most played games on Live
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#5 LightColor
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horde, i just started playing gears 2 again after watching the GT wish list for gears 3 and i was getting annoyed with MW2 so i'll play that with my cousins lol
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#6 phynixblack
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Firefight never ended.

Firefight was harder.

Horde took me two weeks to complete through and I couldn't stand it.

I have never gotten CLOSE to 5mil points on Legendary in Firefight and I have never had two goes play the same.

Firefight is a Superior version of Horde mode. If GoW3 doesn't make a Horde mode somewhat similar to Firefight, I will be majorly dissapointed. There is no reason Epic games shouldn't borrow the whole 'Never ends' bit to make some ridiculous scores more pluasible.

Also, GoW2 had far to many little exploits and one hit kills. When I did die, it felt a bit cheap and honestly the A.I behind the little purple worms in Viva Pinata would out-shoot most of the Locust in GoW2's Horde. Getting to wave 50 felt decent for a whole five seconds when it occured to me that it is hardly an achievement when so many people breeze through it just as fast.

At least Firefight actually eventually reaches the point to were it doesn't bother increasing enemy health or such and instead just literally and unforgivingly throws a HUGE cluster of enemies. I had about twice the "OH DEAR GOD THERE WAS LIKE TWELVE MORE THEN WHEN I LAST LOOKED" moments and god that kind of thing is fun with your buddies.

People who want to argue might say I am a Halo fanboy the way I cling so tightly to ODST's firefight, but honestly, I prefer a survival gametype to:

- Never end (Seriously, BEATING a SURVIVAL mode is retarded. I want to eventually lose and be scored for how long it takes the game to kill me.)

- Have very clearly defined scores (Horde needs little score popups. It makes a difference for high score freaks.)

- Increase difficulty in weird ways. I found it interesting the way Bungie used skulls and desire something similar in GoW3 if they do a Horde mode. (Not just Health Up/Damage up, that is lazy and lame)

- Have A.I that literally increases in intelligence AS you progress without the game taking the lazy route and having every enemy programmed to spawn and run directly at you. Enemies seem more sensible when they spawn and start a patrol about the map and it allows play a little more strategy then the whole 'They can sense you at all times! Get a Shotgun!'.

It isn't too much to ask.

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#7 Leo-Magic
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I vote for gears 2
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#8 sixgears2
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[QUOTE="sixgears2"]1. Not even the same genre of game 2. Does anyone still play these games these days? vashkey
1. They're both shooters 2. http://majornelson.com/archive/2010/04/07/live-activity-for-week-of-march-29.aspx Their among the top fifteen most played games on Live

shooter is a pretty broad generalization, my friend. Big, big difference between semi-tac TPS and run-n-gun FPS. So yes, they are both shooters. But by your logic, Mass Effect 2 and Ghost Recon are also in the same genre as one another. Or Oblivion and Call of Duty. Technically all shooters by definition, but very, very different genres. And nobody I know still plays either, though your list makes it clear that there are people out there who do. Question answered.
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#9 phynixblack
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[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="sixgears2"]1. Not even the same genre of game 2. Does anyone still play these games these days? sixgears2
1. They're both shooters 2. http://majornelson.com/archive/2010/04/07/live-activity-for-week-of-march-29.aspx Their among the top fifteen most played games on Live

shooter is a pretty broad generalization, my friend. Big, big difference between semi-tac TPS and run-n-gun FPS. So yes, they are both shooters. But by your logic, Mass Effect 2 and Ghost Recon are also in the same genre as one another. Or Oblivion and Call of Duty. Technically all shooters by definition, but very, very different genres. And nobody I know still plays either, though your list makes it clear that there are people out there who do. Question answered.

Yes. Because 'Roll-Shotgun-rinse-Repeat' qualifies as Semi-Tactical and not Run and Gun.

Halo is Run and Gun.

Gears is Roll and Shotgun.

The only difference is in the third and first person perspective.Also,trying to question this other guys logicbecause you said something seriously weird likethat isa pretty weak argument, despite the fact that neither of you are wrong orright. I'll point this out to level your argument, as the back and forth over this is silly.

Op isn't so much comparing the games as the way they excecuted their Survival modes. That said, there is enough to compare within those two game modes that this thread is easily a 100% valid comparison, despite HUGE differences the two games may or may not have in each persons respective opinion.

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#10 SpArKs424
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i think firefight is way better more fun and is harder aswell still havent beat it yet .

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#11 sixgears2
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[QUOTE="sixgears2"][QUOTE="vashkey"] 1. They're both shooters 2. http://majornelson.com/archive/2010/04/07/live-activity-for-week-of-march-29.aspx Their among the top fifteen most played games on Livephynixblack

shooter is a pretty broad generalization, my friend. Big, big difference between semi-tac TPS and run-n-gun FPS. So yes, they are both shooters. But by your logic, Mass Effect 2 and Ghost Recon are also in the same genre as one another. Or Oblivion and Call of Duty. Technically all shooters by definition, but very, very different genres. And nobody I know still plays either, though your list makes it clear that there are people out there who do. Question answered.

Yes. Because 'Roll-Shotgun-rinse-Repeat' qualifies as Semi-Tactical and not Run and Gun.

Halo is Run and Gun.

Gears is Roll and Shotgun.

The only difference is in the third and first person perspective.Also,trying to question this other guys logicbecause you said something seriously weird likethat isa pretty weak argument, despite the fact that neither of you are wrong orright. I'll point this out to level your argument, as the back and forth over this is silly.

Op isn't so much comparing the games as the way they excecuted their Survival modes. That said, there is enough to compare within those two game modes that this thread is easily a 100% valid comparison, despite HUGE differences the two games may or may not have in each persons respective opinion.

Yes, you can compare the execution of the two modes, which is why my 3rd point was that Horde was better... Still, though, saying a concept was better implemented in a different kind of game is not the same as comparing two games to each other directly. I think stealthy combat was better implemented in Chronicles of Riddick than Arkham Asylum, but that doesn't mean I would ever compare the games directly to one another. Outside of our "opinions," on an objective level, the games are different genres and can't be fairly compared to one another. That's my point.
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#12 TheMightyHoov
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i think firefight is way better more fun and is harder aswell still havent beat it yet .

SpArKs424

Firefight doesnt end......

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#13 SpArKs424
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[QUOTE="SpArKs424"]

i think firefight is way better more fun and is harder aswell still havent beat it yet .

TheMightyHoov

Firefight doesnt end......

oh haha ive only made it to the 6th set anyways and it got impossible feeling Grenades super overshields lol brutes that had oversheilds had even more overshields like the chieftens lol they are the ones who kill me most with that damn hammmer

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#14 phynixblack
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[QUOTE="sixgears2"][QUOTE="phynixblack"]

shooter is a pretty broad generalization, my friend. Big, big difference between semi-tac TPS and run-n-gun FPS. So yes, they are both shooters. But by your logic, Mass Effect 2 and Ghost Recon are also in the same genre as one another. Or Oblivion and Call of Duty. Technically all shooters by definition, but very, very different genres. And nobody I know still plays either, though your list makes it clear that there are people out there who do. Question answered.sixgears2

Yes. Because 'Roll-Shotgun-rinse-Repeat' qualifies as Semi-Tactical and not Run and Gun.

Halo is Run and Gun.

Gears is Roll and Shotgun.

The only difference is in the third and first person perspective.Also,trying to question this other guys logicbecause you said something seriously weird likethat isa pretty weak argument, despite the fact that neither of you are wrong orright. I'll point this out to level your argument, as the back and forth over this is silly.

Op isn't so much comparing the games as the way they excecuted their Survival modes. That said, there is enough to compare within those two game modes that this thread is easily a 100% valid comparison, despite HUGE differences the two games may or may not have in each persons respective opinion.

Yes, you can compare the execution of the two modes, which is why my 3rd point was that Horde was better... Still, though, saying a concept was better implemented in a different kind of game is not the same as comparing two games to each other directly. I think stealthy combat was better implemented in Chronicles of Riddick than Arkham Asylum, but that doesn't mean I would ever compare the games directly to one another. Outside of our "opinions," on an objective level, the games are different genres and can't be fairly compared to one another. That's my point.

I fail to see why is matters that the games have differences as slight as FPS to TPS when the modes or so amazingly similar. Also, for me, Horde would have had better replay value if it didn't end and high scores were the point. I also think the lack of complexity in the way one round works compared to the next hurt it. Like, why not have a random 'BOLTOK round' were all the enemies have Boltok? or maybe a 'BOOMER round'? That kind of thing, especially if executed with some sort of randomness, could have made things ridiculously interesting.
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#15 phynixblack
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[QUOTE="SpArKs424"]

[QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

[QUOTE="SpArKs424"]

i think firefight is way better more fun and is harder aswell still havent beat it yet .

Firefight doesnt end......

oh haha ive only made it to the 6th set anyways and it got impossible feeling Grenades super overshields lol brutes that had oversheilds had even more overshields like the chieftens lol they are the ones who kill me most with that damn hammmer

Technically you can claim to have beaten it with about 10mil points on Legendary. It gets you the 'Skullgod' symbol on your B.net account for being WAY too good at Firefight.
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I would say that I liked firefight more. It was harder, and it had more strategy to it than horde. I liked both, but Id give it to halo. you can to compare gears to halo.. lol. Your pretty much saying it has to be pretty damn close to being identical like Dante's inferno and God of War. I hate people like you who always yell at someone when they wanna compare 2 games to each other. Shooter is a genre. When you get more in depth than that, its a sub genre. You can easily compare Gears and Halo, but if your going to compare games that have a huge difference it gameplay and design, for example, left 4 dead, then its easily justifiable to say those 2 cannot be compared.
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I would say that I liked firefight more. It was harder, and it had more strategy to it than horde. I liked both, but Id give it to halo. you can to compare gears to halo.. lol. Your pretty much saying it has to be pretty damn close to being identical like Dante's inferno and God of War. I hate people like you who always yell at someone when they wanna compare 2 games to each other. Shooter is a genre. When you get more in depth than that, its a sub genre. You can easily compare Gears and Halo, but if your going to compare games that have a huge difference it gameplay and design, for example, left 4 dead, then its easily justifiable to say those 2 cannot be compared. SLUSHiNaToR
Don't misunderstand that guys argument. They are massively different types of shooter. MY own counterargument was just that the differences in the gameplay were not so much as to make this type of comparison invalid. He wasn't wrong.
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Am I the only one who thinks horde is soooo dull? I mean the first time you beat it it's really fun but did they have to make half of the achievements horde based? It really gets old, but w/e. I only played firefight alittle bit but it was pretty good but I'm sure would get old just like horde. Now nazi zombies, that's a game mode.

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#19 phynixblack
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Am I the only one who thinks horde is soooo dull? I mean the first time you beat it it's really fun but did they have to make half of the achievements horde based? It really gets old, but w/e. I only played firefight alittle bit but it was pretty good but I'm sure would get old just like horde. Now nazi zombies, that's a game mode.

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I would probably buya game that was just tons of Nazi zombies. Treyarch makes a better zombies surival game then a Competitive shooter.
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#20 Elian2530
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Definitely horde. It's much more intense and being able to revive a downed teammate in a heavy crossfire is exhilarating. Not to mention, all those awesome finishers.. and taking a locust hostage and picking em off one by one. It's brutally satisfying.
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#21 Elian2530
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[QUOTE="phynixblack"][QUOTE="commander-cool"]

Am I the only one who thinks horde is soooo dull? I mean the first time you beat it it's really fun but did they have to make half of the achievements horde based? It really gets old, but w/e. I only played firefight alittle bit but it was pretty good but I'm sure would get old just like horde. Now nazi zombies, that's a game mode.

I would probably buya game that was just tons of Nazi zombies. Treyarch makes a better zombies surival game then a Competitive shooter.

Haha good one. I totally forgot about Nazi Zombies. I'd like to see the return of a much better and improved Nazi Zombie mode(s) in the next Treyarch game. I probably enjoy next to Horde.
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firefight...no horde! no firefight.... Erm, I dunno. Both were ok, neither were great.
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[QUOTE="SLUSHiNaToR"]I would say that I liked firefight more. It was harder, and it had more strategy to it than horde. I liked both, but Id give it to halo. you can to compare gears to halo.. lol. Your pretty much saying it has to be pretty damn close to being identical like Dante's inferno and God of War. I hate people like you who always yell at someone when they wanna compare 2 games to each other. Shooter is a genre. When you get more in depth than that, its a sub genre. You can easily compare Gears and Halo, but if your going to compare games that have a huge difference it gameplay and design, for example, left 4 dead, then its easily justifiable to say those 2 cannot be compared. phynixblack
Don't misunderstand that guys argument. They are massively different types of shooter. MY own counterargument was just that the differences in the gameplay were not so much as to make this type of comparison invalid. He wasn't wrong.

Thank you, sir. It's fine if someone disagrees with me, but saying you hate someone for making a valid point that you disagree with is a little... well, unfair. Anyway, I already said I liked horde better, so clearly I don't think it's impossible to indirectly compare the two modes in terms of features or implementation, I just don't think comparing games of different genres (or sub-genres) is a good thing to do. It almost always comes down to which style of play someone prefers rather than actual objective discussions, which makes it nothing more than an impossible-to-win battle of opinions. What's the point? Thank you phynixblack for keeping it civil.
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#24 XXGamerfanXX
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Firefight was fun, until you got all the Vidmasters and none of your friends play it anymore, now It's boring as hell now. Horde, atleast, got a Matchmaking and It was fun to play by yourself.
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#25 jad206
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[QUOTE="sixgears2"]1. Not even the same genre of game 2. Does anyone still play these games these days? 3. Horde is better. :)

Since when can you only compare games of the same genre? Horde.
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Horde also has matchmaking.
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#27 jatascon
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Horde is great, but so is firefight. I like both of those modes equally. As far as campaigns go though? I have to say that I prefer Gears, its more intense ALL the way through, unlike ODST where you spend quite a bit of time just walking around levels looking for radar becons. That said I would have to say Gears 2 is my choice.

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#28 pete_merlin
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its a tie they both loss...okay i choose horde :P

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#29 orb_03_2006
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If ODST had matchmaking, it'd be better for online. That's why I'm saying firefight. It gets SO intense! Horde is just they same 10 waves 5 times, but it gets A LITTLE harder each 10...