should they add achievements to x-box orginals

500's a good number, less than X360 games and more than XBL arcade games. There should also be an update so you can get achievements on xbox originals that you own, not just download, coz I have over 30 xbox original games.

I think they should be added. Obviously MS have been lazy with the Xbox Originals. They've just taken the easy route to make a bit extra cash.

I also hate how original xbox games now show up in your profile. They stop XBLA trial games being added but enable the addition of xbox originals. What's the point if they don't have achievements?

Wow I find it amazing that peoples decisions actually hinge on whether xbox originals have achivement points or not. MS definately made a genius move when they invented those digital numbers that mean absolutely nothing. But, to answer the question, they should add achivements to the originals especially if they improve sells by as much as this thread makes it seem they would.Aft3rBurn3r

You could say that for anything! What the hell do you think a GPA or grades are in school? Even leaderboards in what seems like every game. They are just f-ing numbers that mean nothing. It is just something to look at and to work for. Jeez. What do you want your system of choice to do when you accomplish something in a game....give you a BJ?

YES!!! That is exactly why I have not purchased any of them. It may seem ridiculous for some, but I feel as though I am actually rewarded for my in-game accomplishments. For those x-box games I have already played but no longer own, what's the point really of buying and playing through them again?

To the poster above me using GPA score as an analogy to achievement score, that analogy is far from appropriate. Unless you intend on completing your education with a high-school diploma, which is laughable in today's society, a high GPA will go far towards getting you into a more prestigious college and graduate school. Many employers also base decisions on GPA. While gamerscore may only be bragging rights, GPA score is not even in the same category.

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Wow I find it amazing that peoples decisions actually hinge on whether xbox originals have achivement points or not.

eddievh_5150

You could say that for anything! What the hell do you think a GPA or grades are in school? Even leaderboards in what seems like every game. They are just f-ing numbers that mean nothing. It is just something to look at and to work for. Jeez. What do you want your system of choice to do when you accomplish something in a game....give you a BJ?

Gamerscores and leaderboards are pretty similar, but not exactly the same thing. Someone with a Gamerscore of 18,000 has not necessarily invested half the time into the 360 that someone with 13,000 has. This obviously being due to the vast difference in achievement difficulty across varying games.

Comparing Gamescores to a GPA is incredibly obtuse. That's like comparing your gold in Oblivion to your real-life bank account, and conluding neither will buy you anything. A GPA helps you to be successful in life. It actually has a function; it's not just numbers for you to be happy about. A Gamerscore is an indication of how much time you spend on your hobby. I'm sure there's a few people who will point out millionaires who flunked high school, or some hippies who will say that being successful is irrelevant. Whatever. Statistically, I'm right.

Oh, I forgot to actually respond to the original question. Yeah, it'd be nice if there were achievements for Xbox Originals. Thought I hate to admit it, I'd probably be more inclined to spend time and money on a few of them if they would add to my Gamerscore. I think 500 points is a little high, considering how cheap many of the old Xbox games are. I agree with the concept, though.

If they did I would buy them.. right now they are pointless because they take up a lot of space and it's cheaper to just buy the actual game disc.Darkslayer16

So you are willing to spend more and fill up space on your HDD because of Achievements...isn't that kind of sad?

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If they did I would buy them.. right now they are pointless because they take up a lot of space and it's cheaper to just buy the actual game disc.

Jenova_Flare

So you are willing to spend more and fill up space on your HDD because of Achievements...isn't that kind of sad?

Yeah, it's kinda sad, but I feel the same way as Darkslayer. It's no more sad than achivements themselves. I do stuff in games that I wouldn't normally do, just for achievements, and I know I'm not alone here.

I hate to sound negative but who cares? If a game is good just download it and enjoy it. Does it really matter that you add some numbers to your gamerscore? Achievements are a nice bonus but overall it doesn't mean anything.

CharmedGamer

It matters, well, if someone thinks it matters. If achievements are a big deal to someone, there's nothing wrong with that. There's no "right way" to enjoy your hobby.

I agree with all points in this thread except for the part about them being lazy. It's not Microsoft. It's the individual game developers. Each dev would have to rework the code for each game to enable achievements. This would cost a lot more money with little to no gain from it so there is no way this will ever happen.Lance_Kalzas

How can you say there'd be "little to no gain"? Every time these topics pop up loads of people say they haven't bought any or would buy more Xbox Originals if they had achievements.

And you're wrong. It is Microsoft. They control what goes on xbox LIVE. MS could've told publishers achievements must be added. They'd have to do what MS said if they wanted their game added to the download list.

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I hate to sound negative but who cares? If a game is good just download it and enjoy it. Does it really matter that you add some numbers to your gamerscore? Achievements are a nice bonus but overall it doesn't mean anything.

Palantas

It matters, well, if someone thinks it matters. If achievements are a big deal to someone, there's nothing wrong with that. There's no "right way" to enjoy your hobby.

If a person refuses to play a good game simply because it won't increase a number I feel sorry for them. If that is the only reason you play that is sad/stupid.

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I hate to sound negative but who cares? If a game is good just download it and enjoy it. Does it really matter that you add some numbers to your gamerscore? Achievements are a nice bonus but overall it doesn't mean anything.

CharmedGamer

It matters, well, if someone thinks it matters. If achievements are a big deal to someone, there's nothing wrong with that. There's no "right way" to enjoy your hobby.

If a person refuses to play a good game simply because it won't increase a number I feel sorry for them. If that is the only reason you play that is sad/stupid.

Thanks, but you do not need to feel sorry for us. We are not the individuals concerned enough about how others enjoy receiving achievement points to resort to labeling their actions as sad/stupid. How about, instead, we do the silly thing of respecting how each other decides to enjoy video games? How about that? You game?

If a person refuses to play a good game simply because it won't increase a number I feel sorry for them. If that is the only reason you play that is sad/stupid.

CharmedGamer

Emphasis mine. You just indicted everyone who refuses to play whatever games you think are good, and instead plays their favorite MMORPG. A lot of gaming is about increasing numbers. Many old school games had no story or purpose at all, other than to get a high score.

But I digress. Again, you're criticizing other peoples' hobbies...on a forum about a hobby. You feel sorry for people who play for achievements. This might come as a surprise to you, but a whole host of people probably think you're pathetic for playing video games at all. Are they right? I don't think so.

Like I said (and I think you ignored), there's no wrong way to enjoy your hobby. You can't tell other people how to have fun, or say they're sorry people for enjoying their pasttime in a slightly (very slightly) different way than you do.

Absolutely. They were stupid not to add them in the first place. Their sales could've been a lot better.elektrixxx

Agreed. Had they added achievements. their sales would skyrocket. On a side note, the only one i'd be interested in buying at all is Marvel vs Capcom 2 if they ever release it...i'd play it with or without achievements, man I loved that game.

Personally if its a great game thats quite rare to get hold of physically I might be inclined to download whether its got achieviements or not.

I do agree that its rather sad how some 360 owners prefer to get the actually gamerscore points than play the game for what it is. Its like some crazy addiction!!

I agree with what you are saying. 1000 gamer score is too much for an older game which you might already know where everthing is.

500 gamer score is the right amount, less than newer 360 games, but more than cheap arcade games.

I think they should do that.

[QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"]I agree with all points in this thread except for the part about them being lazy. It's not Microsoft. It's the individual game developers. Each dev would have to rework the code for each game to enable achievements. This would cost a lot more money with little to no gain from it so there is no way this will ever happen.x-2tha-z

How can you say there'd be "little to no gain"? Every time these topics pop up loads of people say they haven't bought any or would buy more Xbox Originals if they had achievements.

And you're wrong. It is Microsoft. They control what goes on xbox LIVE. MS could've told publishers achievements must be added. They'd have to do what MS said if they wanted their game added to the download list.

First, I would like to say that I think it would be an excellent idea to add achievements. Both Microsoft and the developers as a whole have already agreed it is not worth their time to re-write a game's entire code just for achievements. You're talking about games that originally retailed for $49.99 and now they're being sold for how much? $15.00 each. Please explain to me how spending who knows how many man hours to rewrite that code to include achievements to boost sales on $15.00 items is justifiable when instead, they can focus on games for the current generation. I would love achievements because, as Palantas has already stated, it's a different way to enjoy this hobby however it is not realistic to expect developers to do this. Go to the Microsoft forums and you'll see a lot of threads that have already been created on this topic and Microsoft moderators have addressed this issue...Repeatedly.

Both Microsoft and the developers as a whole have already agreed it is not worth their time to re-write a game's entire code just for achievements.

Lance_Kalzas

Probably. I too would suggest that if doing this would turn a profit, Microsoft would probably do it.

And that's probably the reason why they're not doing it is because it wouldn't turn a profit and, short of charging that $50 again for those games, I don't see how it could turn a profit. It'd be nice if they did put them in though. :)

it wount be hard to add.EmperorZeruel

That's been addressed. See page two.

If they did I would buy them.. right now they are pointless because they take up a lot of space and it's cheaper to just buy the actual game disc.Darkslayer16

i learned the hard way about that. i thought the download ones would have the guide on it but it doesn't just like the orginal game.

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[QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"]I agree with all points in this thread except for the part about them being lazy. It's not Microsoft. It's the individual game developers. Each dev would have to rework the code for each game to enable achievements. This would cost a lot more money with little to no gain from it so there is no way this will ever happen.Lance_Kalzas

How can you say there'd be "little to no gain"? Every time these topics pop up loads of people say they haven't bought any or would buy more Xbox Originals if they had achievements.

And you're wrong. It is Microsoft. They control what goes on xbox LIVE. MS could've told publishers achievements must be added. They'd have to do what MS said if they wanted their game added to the download list.

First, I would like to say that I think it would be an excellent idea to add achievements. Both Microsoft and the developers as a whole have already agreed it is not worth their time to re-write a game's entire code just for achievements. You're talking about games that originally retailed for $49.99 and now they're being sold for how much? $15.00 each. Please explain to me how spending who knows how many man hours to rewrite that code to include achievements to boost sales on $15.00 items is justifiable when instead, they can focus on games for the current generation. I would love achievements because, as Palantas has already stated, it's a different way to enjoy this hobby however it is not realistic to expect developers to do this. Go to the Microsoft forums and you'll see a lot of threads that have already been created on this topic and Microsoft moderators have addressed this issue...Repeatedly.

they dont have th rewrite the entire game from scrach it will be more like a patch. Alots of times we downlad patches in are 360 games that add new achievements they same wil be for the x-box orginals

This is of some relevance to me as I was trying to find this out the other day possibly influencing a Ninja Gaiden Black purchase. Anyway, I looked into the issue and there was something of relevance that somewhat counters those people on here claiming it to be 'impossible' or 'requiring an entire rewrite of code' which would 'cost a fortune' etc. and so on.

From the interview I read, Halo 2 was reworked to include Gamerpoints (for PC I believe), and the interview spoke to the people that were responsible for the update about the time/effort involved. From what they said it was not particularly difficult, and only 2 people were tasked to implement achievements in the game. A simple system of opening the game files and including lines to check whether certain parameters have been met, then contacting the server. Not exhaustive at all.

Microsoft's response was along the lines that they had never intended to include GS within Xbox Originals, they wanted them to be 'pure' representations of classic games, and that was that. It very much came across as a dogmatic adherence to principle for the sake of it, rather than any particular technical difficulty or financial reason.

I believe I found the link through Kotaku, will edit if I can find it again and put it on here. EDIT: Here