Smoke Grenades in Gears 2 - Worst Design Choice Ever?

I have been playing the multiplayer in Gears 2 since release now, and I have gotten used the crappy matchmaking, the nerfed shotgun, and the op chainsaw, but nothing demonstrates that Cliffy B. is a complete moron more than the smoke grenades. How could someone put something like that in a game and then claim they are trying to make it more tactical? The whole point of Gears is that it is fast paced, designed for people with reflexes and skill. Now Gears 2 rewards the worst of gamers, those who use smoke for an easy kill, or sit back and wait for their proximity mine to kill someone.

I cannot think of any game with such crappy design decisions when compared to the overall quality of the series.

Smoke grenades work well, learn to play the game man. They never said it'd be the same as Gears of War. Toriko42

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Smoke grenades work well, learn to play the game man. They never said it'd be the same as Gears of War. white_sox

Your Calling HIM a idiot, LOL , not like you have made a game before, Stop complaning you idiots and play the game, latin0playa

yeh your right, when we play a game we should like everything about it, no one deserves an opinion if it isnt all positive, good thinking. Imagine if that was actually the case? think about it, all games would be terrible because no one would have learned from mistakes of the past

and yeh smoke granades are annoying, especially when all 5 people on the other team throw them consecutively to where you are

They only added it because all you scrubs cried all day and night about how the shotgun took no skill (aka "Everyone kills me with it and I can't kill them, therefore it takes no skill") so they added so much unnecessary things to the game to make the shotgun useless. Added the smokes was created for that sole purpose, although it has been exploited and now you have threads such as this everywhere. You should've just got skill instead of crying about it. You still have no skill and keep crying anyway.

The whole point of Gears is that it is fast paced, designed for people with reflexes and skill.RebornInFlames

They only added it because all you scrubs cried all day and night about how the shotgun took no skill (aka "Everyone kills me with it and I can't kill them, therefore it takes no skill") so they added so much unnecessary things to the game to make the shotgun useless. Added the smokes was created for that sole purpose, although it has been exploited and now you have threads such as this everywhere. You should've just got skill instead of crying about it. You still have no skill and keep crying anyway.

RobNBankz

I agree. I hate the smoke grenades. Perhaps they should have made it so you got stunned for a very short period of time, just holding your eyes, as that would give the player that threw the smoke a slight advantage while not hindering the other player so much so that they cannot do anything. Annex, which is my favourite mode to play, is horrible online now because if you control the zone, people just throw smoke in, kill you, and that is that. I don't mind them making something of the smoke grenade, but they made it far too powerful. Caddy06_88

They only added it because all you scrubs cried all day and night about how the shotgun took no skill (aka "Everyone kills me with it and I can't kill them, therefore it takes no skill") so they added so much unnecessary things to the game to make the shotgun useless. Added the smokes was created for that sole purpose, although it has been exploited and now you have threads such as this everywhere. You should've just got skill instead of crying about it. You still have no skill and keep crying anyway.

RobNBankz

lol i love how u said 'all you scrubs'...who exactly are u referring to? what an ignorant nieve generalisation, you do realise we are against the smoke grenade not for it so why you are attacking the TC i dont know. 'you should've just got skill' makes it sound like you can just pick up at the store for $2.99 a piece. and then you go on to say that 'you have no skill' once again who are you referring to and how would you know how much skill they have? I repeat, ignorant and nieve

Yup, smokes nades have essentially killed the territories game type, with the exception of Submission....maybe. The other thing that gets me, is what did Epic think was going to happen when giving smokes knockdown power. Its just another way for an unskilled player to pick up random kills....throw smoke, run to downed enemy, rev chainsaw until enemy stands up, chainsaw enemy, get splattered by another enemies shotty, rinse and repeat. Cliffy probably put that in because he was sick of not getting any kills in a game he masterminded......Xero319

They only added it because all you scrubs cried all day and night about how the shotgun took no skill (aka "Everyone kills me with it and I can't kill them, therefore it takes no skill") so they added so much unnecessary things to the game to make the shotgun useless. Added the smokes was created for that sole purpose, although it has been exploited and now you have threads such as this everywhere. You should've just got skill instead of crying about it. You still have no skill and keep crying anyway.

lol i love how u said 'all you scrubs'...who exactly are u referring to? what an ignorant nieve generalisation, you do realise we are against the smoke grenade not for it so why you are attacking the TC i dont know. 'you should've just got skill' makes it sound like you can just pick up at the store for $2.99 a piece. and then you go on to say that 'you have no skill' once again who are you referring to and how would you know how much skill they have? I repeat, ignorant and nieve

[QUOTE="Xero319"]Yup, smokes nades have essentially killed the territories game type, with the exception of Submission....maybe. The other thing that gets me, is what did Epic think was going to happen when giving smokes knockdown power. Its just another way for an unskilled player to pick up random kills....throw smoke, run to downed enemy, rev chainsaw until enemy stands up, chainsaw enemy, get splattered by another enemies shotty, rinse and repeat. Cliffy probably put that in because he was sick of not getting any kills in a game he masterminded......rrandolph

lol, what? You guys know we're really discussing a flash bang that emites smoke right? I can't believe there are like 20 ppl here saying a nade shouldn't knock you down. Huh? If you walk passed one in real life you would be on your butt quik. lol Dude if you walked passed one in real life and that thing started beaping you would probably jump outta your skin. You wouldn't just stand there with your hands over your eyes like the mod said. lol I mean you do agree you would be disoriented in some form correct? Whether you standing up or on the ground I don't think really makes a difference. You gonna get chopped up or shot with the shotty as soon as you come back anyway.

Actually, your wrong, in a couple ways at that. Go ahead and pull out your Gears of War 2 manual and check out page 6. I think YOU are the only one discussing a "flash bang. They call it "smoke" in the book......not flashbang. Was it a flashbang in Gears 1....negative. And it simply doesnt fit in this game.

Oh, and another thing? Why would you even try to compare "real life" with this game. Its not COD dude! Its not supposed to be realistic in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM....If i walked by a flashbang in real life it probably would knock me on my a**, but you know what, in real life, yesterday, I hit a brumak with my truck and then veered in to an emergence hole, got out, and was immediatley downed by a "SMOKE" nade, and then chainsawed by some noob theron, but then I respawned because I was playing Guardian.......IN REAL LIFE.......:roll:

1. You are a moron. Gears of War was never supposed to be "fast paced" or a "twitch reflex shooting game" It was originally designed to be a tactical third person shooter. If you want fast paced twitch reflexes, go play Halo.

2. The shotgun was meant to be a close range BACK-UP weapon. If you played multiplayer you'd realize that even now its becoming more than that. Look at your stats on the gears of war stat page and I can almost guarantee that you have the highest percentage of your kills with the shotgun. The difference between gears 1 and gears 2? Now its 30% of your kills instead of 65%. God forbid variety in the weapons you kill people with.

3. You complain about spawning with the smokes but have no problem spawning with frags in other games?smokes aren't that hard to dodge. They light up and are very obvious when planted, and its announced when they're being thrown ("Coming Smoke!"). Other games you start with a frag that can easily kill somebody but that doesn't get complained about.

4. The whole point of smokes and mines is to make you constantly watch your front, sides, and back. If you don't mind your surroundings you're going to get killed. Funny how the "noobs" are usually the ones with more kills than the "pros."

[QUOTE="rrandolph"][QUOTE="Xero319"]Yup, smokes nades have essentially killed the territories game type, with the exception of Submission....maybe. The other thing that gets me, is what did Epic think was going to happen when giving smokes knockdown power. Its just another way for an unskilled player to pick up random kills....throw smoke, run to downed enemy, rev chainsaw until enemy stands up, chainsaw enemy, get splattered by another enemies shotty, rinse and repeat. Cliffy probably put that in because he was sick of not getting any kills in a game he masterminded......Xero319

lol, what? You guys know we're really discussing a flash bang that emites smoke right? I can't believe there are like 20 ppl here saying a nade shouldn't knock you down. Huh? If you walk passed one in real life you would be on your butt quik. lol Dude if you walked passed one in real life and that thing started beaping you would probably jump outta your skin. You wouldn't just stand there with your hands over your eyes like the mod said. lol I mean you do agree you would be disoriented in some form correct? Whether you standing up or on the ground I don't think really makes a difference. You gonna get chopped up or shot with the shotty as soon as you come back anyway.

Actually, your wrong, in a couple ways at that. Go ahead and pull out your Gears of War 2 manual and check out page 6. I think YOU are the only one discussing a "flash bang. They call it "smoke" in the book......not flashbang. Was it a flashbang in Gears 1....negative. And it simply doesnt fit in this game.

Oh, and another thing? Why would you even try to compare "real life" with this game. Its not COD dude! Its not supposed to be realistic in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM....If i walked by a flashbang in real life it probably would knock me on my a**, but you know what, in real life, yesterday, I hit a brumak with my truck and then veered in to an emergence hole, got out, and was immediatley downed by a "SMOKE" nade, and then chainsawed by some noob theron, but then I respawned because I was playing Guardian.......IN REAL LIFE.......:roll:

I have been playing the multiplayer in Gears 2 since release now, and I have gotten used the crappy matchmaking, the nerfed shotgun, and the op chainsaw, but nothing demonstrates that Cliffy B. is a complete moron more than the smoke grenades. How could someone put something like that in a game and then claim they are trying to make it more tactical? The whole point of Gears is that it is fast paced, designed for people with reflexes and skill. Now Gears 2 rewards the worst of gamers, those who use smoke for an easy kill, or sit back and wait for their proximity mine to kill someone.

I cannot think of any game with such crappy design decisions when compared to the overall quality of the series.RebornInFlames

Hate to break it to you but Gears has always been a crappy shooter. Where on earth do all you people get fast pace, reflexes and skill from when 1) the people move slower than the stupid snails in my backyard (curse those things) 2) Just about 2/3rds of the weapons are power weapons and if you dont have one then you are screwed.

I love how people say Gears is a game of skill when its one of the most poorly made shooters EVER. I honestly dont know how people play such a horrid game. Gears of wars gameplay has always rewarded the worst of gamers. Its about who can take advantage of all the power weapons or glitch around the map and chainsaw/shotgun you.

LOL. you should seriously consider becoming a comedian. Gears is fast paced? on the contrary, gears is the most slow, unresponsive, and messed up game i have ever played.(in terms of shooters) this is a game that decides the winner by who has the fastest internet speeds. no real skill is involved, only mastering the stupid complexities of the game until you can kill someone BEHIND you with a shotgun.mistervengeance

My god finally!!!! Someone who flipping actually has more than 1/10th of their brain working. I found the common sense!

No seriously though its about time I found someone who understands the game for what it truely is...A laggy, glitchy, unresponsive, snails paced shooter. I may not be great at Gears (because I dont know how to glitch as well as the rest of you people) but I know if I take the shotgun to someones face, especially point blank range, fire it then that should be the end of the line for the person I am aiming for. In Gears, that sure as hell doesnt happen. If Im lucky I would get sniped or torqued from a mile away before the guy im next to turns around and shotguns me.

If by realistic, you mean the simple fact that they are shooting guns, then your right. Other than that.....you need to go back to school. Symbolism? I forgot "Sci-Fi" shooters were heavily symbolic??? lol wtf? You do know what the "Fi" stands for right? lol I have a fun idea though, considering the fact that I suck and all, why dont you get a few people on, and we'll just play. Ill be on tonight, should have a full team. My tag is my sig....hit me up. Whats your tag?Xero319

Smoke grenades work well, learn to play the game man. They never said it'd be the same as Gears of War. Toriko42

Like I said, I dont report people....but we could see if he wants to come??? ;)Xero319

[QUOTE="Xero319"]Yup, smokes nades have essentially killed the territories game type, with the exception of Submission....maybe. The other thing that gets me, is what did Epic think was going to happen when giving smokes knockdown power. Its just another way for an unskilled player to pick up random kills....throw smoke, run to downed enemy, rev chainsaw until enemy stands up, chainsaw enemy, get splattered by another enemies shotty, rinse and repeat. Cliffy probably put that in because he was sick of not getting any kills in a game he masterminded......rrandolph

This isn't real life, its a game. And there are so many things that aren't realistic about Gears I don't even know where to start.

ok, what do Marcus or Dom do that you can't beside take more bullets? I know that like you said it's a game so you gotta take more bullets than you can in real life.

ok, what do Marcus or Dom do that you can't beside take more bullets? I know that like you said it's a game so you gotta take more bullets than you can in real life.

rrandolph

Dude...stop trying to argue that this game is realistic. You're just making yourself look foolish.

ok, what do Marcus or Dom do that you can't beside take more bullets? I know that like you said it's a game so you gotta take more bullets than you can in real life.

Dude...stop trying to argue that this game is realistic. You're just making yourself look foolish.

I have been playing the multiplayer in Gears 2 since release now, and I have gotten used the crappy matchmaking, the nerfed shotgun, and the op chainsaw, but nothing demonstrates that Cliffy B. is a complete moron more than the smoke grenades. How could someone put something like that in a game and then claim they are trying to make it more tactical? The whole point of Gears is that it is fast paced, designed for people with reflexes and skill. Now Gears 2 rewards the worst of gamers, those who use smoke for an easy kill, or sit back and wait for their proximity mine to kill someone.

I cannot think of any game with such crappy design decisions when compared to the overall quality of the series.

[QUOTE="rrandolph"][QUOTE="Xero319"]Yup, smokes nades have essentially killed the territories game type, with the exception of Submission....maybe. The other thing that gets me, is what did Epic think was going to happen when giving smokes knockdown power. Its just another way for an unskilled player to pick up random kills....throw smoke, run to downed enemy, rev chainsaw until enemy stands up, chainsaw enemy, get splattered by another enemies shotty, rinse and repeat. Cliffy probably put that in because he was sick of not getting any kills in a game he masterminded......Xero319

lol, what? You guys know we're really discussing a flash bang that emites smoke right? I can't believe there are like 20 ppl here saying a nade shouldn't knock you down. Huh? If you walk passed one in real life you would be on your butt quik. lol Dude if you walked passed one in real life and that thing started beaping you would probably jump outta your skin. You wouldn't just stand there with your hands over your eyes like the mod said. lol I mean you do agree you would be disoriented in some form correct? Whether you standing up or on the ground I don't think really makes a difference. You gonna get chopped up or shot with the shotty as soon as you come back anyway.

Actually, your wrong, in a couple ways at that. Go ahead and pull out your Gears of War 2 manual and check out page 6. I think YOU are the only one discussing a "flash bang. They call it "smoke" in the book......not flashbang. Was it a flashbang in Gears 1....negative. And it simply doesnt fit in this game.

Oh, and another thing? Why would you even try to compare "real life" with this game. Its not COD dude! Its not supposed to be realistic in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM....If i walked by a flashbang in real life it probably would knock me on my a**, but you know what, in real life, yesterday, I hit a brumak with my truck and then veered in to an emergence hole, got out, and was immediatley downed by a "SMOKE" nade, and then chainsawed by some noob theron, but then I respawned because I was playing Guardian.......IN REAL LIFE.......:roll:

Why would you even compare COD to real life? Wtf is wrong with you? Halo is more realistic than COD for the simple fact that atleast with Master Chief, you see he has armor which creates shields and after a certain time, the shields regenerate. On the other hand, can you find me a human who can regenerate health? I thought so..

They only added it because all you scrubs cried all day and night about how the shotgun took no skill (aka "Everyone kills me with it and I can't kill them, therefore it takes no skill") so they added so much unnecessary things to the game to make the shotgun useless. Added the smokes was created for that sole purpose, although it has been exploited and now you have threads such as this everywhere. You should've just got skill instead of crying about it. You still have no skill and keep crying anyway.

RobNBankz

I have been playing the multiplayer in Gears 2 since release now, and I have gotten used the crappy matchmaking, the nerfed shotgun, and the op chainsaw, but nothing demonstrates that Cliffy B. is a complete moron more than the smoke grenades. How could someone put something like that in a game and then claim they are trying to make it more tactical? The whole point of Gears is that it is fast paced, designed for people with reflexes and skill. Now Gears 2 rewards the worst of gamers, those who use smoke for an easy kill, or sit back and wait for their proximity mine to kill someone.

I cannot think of any game with such crappy design decisions when compared to the overall quality of the series.