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#1 Eldiablo1232
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Well i came back today to find i have been suspended from xbox live for my bio which was and will be when i get back for it is not offensive in any way and its not being changed: Motto ][\/][ ][ ][\][ '][' Bio Skinhead Till I Die Name josh Location warrington Nothing is wrong with this, yes i am a skinhead but as a person it is my right to choice what i call myself, there is nothing in the Terms and Conditions which say anything about this so why was a told to refer to them? For months Xbox live took money from mine and my mothers account without our permission, they are nothing but thieves who give you no chance to counter their decision. There must be something i can do? Thankyou.
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#2 lazyathew
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I've seen a lot of people complain about being suspended on these boards, but this is the first one I see that makes absolutely no sence whatsoever to me.

Yeah, I see no possible problem someone could have with this... Did Microsoft give any explanation at all? Or did they just say they don't like the profile and that's it? Perhaps you could ask for a better explanation?

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#3 ZombieKiller7
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Take skinhead out of your bio, that's what they suspended you for. You can talk to someone in Xbox Live support, maybe you can convince them, I dunno. Here is their forum http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/f/41.aspx
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#4 i-rock-socks
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*facepalm*

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#5 GAMESHARQ
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Considering you're a skinhead, I'm really not surprised why you don't see what's wrong with putting it in your bio.
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#6 Punch_Sideiron
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I think everyone in this thread besides the TC is making the common mistake of thinking skinhead=racist.

That is not true. Wikipedia it.

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#7 ZombieKiller7
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I think everyone in this thread besides the TC is making the common mistake of thinking skinhead=racist.

That is not true. Wikipedia it.

Punch_Sideiron
I'm not making any mistake. The public perception of "skinhead" = "racist" Whether that's true or not, you still have to deal with "the public" which ranges from inconvenient to deadly. We live in a world where people will murder you based on how you look, does it really mean that much to carry a subculture and be ridiculed and harassed for it? Grow your hair like a normal person and have an easier life.
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#8 Punch_Sideiron
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I agree, and it's not something I'd put in my bio, I was just saying that before people started ganging up on the OP.
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#9 GAMESHARQ
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Being a skinhead may not automatically mean you're racist, but just the fact that so many people associate skinheads with racism is reason enough to separate yourself from that culture, especially if you're not racist.
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#10 Eldiablo1232
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Im a skinhead.... racist skinheads are called Neo-Nazis or Bonheads... But you see people with 'Gangster' in their bio.. and gangsters kill people... and do more crime than skinheads.. but they dont get suspended. Im a skinhead... my best friend is Jamaican.. so im not a racist.. They said in the email that Customer support cant do anything about it, its just a load of rubbish and really makes me contemplate PS3 :/
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#11 Eldiablo1232
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Being a skinhead may not automatically mean you're racist, but just the fact that so many people associate skinheads with racism is reason enough to separate yourself from that culture, especially if you're not racist.GAMESHARQ
Its not a culture.. its a way of life, i was born a skinhead and will do a skinhead. hence the phrase 'Skinhead till i die' Its by rights as an individual to call myself what i please and for Microsoft to do this is going against those rights. Also may i add that its not offensive, im not singling out anyone or race, im not being Violent, it told me to write about myself to i put a quote, its not the end of the world.. and i wont be removing it, im just ticked off that they are so narrow minded and ignorant.
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#12 GAMESHARQ
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Its not a culture.. its a way of lifeEldiablo1232
WTH is the difference? Anyway, if you want to be a skinhead, then you have to be prepared to deal with the consequences. And if you want to be a part of Xbox Live, then you need to follow their rules. That's all there is to say about it.

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#13 HilbillyRokstar
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[QUOTE="Eldiablo1232"]Im a skinhead.... racist skinheads are called Neo-Nazis or Bonheads... But you see people with 'Gangster' in their bio.. and gangsters kill people... and do more crime than skinheads.. but they dont get suspended. Im a skinhead... my best friend is Jamaican.. so im not a racist.. They said in the email that Customer support cant do anything about it, its just a load of rubbish and really makes me contemplate PS3 :/

You sound like a kid trying to justify your behavior by talking about other kids who are worse. The term "skinhead" brings up negative connotations for most people. Don't try to act like you don't know that. Change your bio, or get in more trouble. It's that simple.
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#14 Eldiablo1232
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[QUOTE="Eldiablo1232"]Its not a culture.. its a way of lifeGAMESHARQ

WTH is the difference? Anyway, if you want to be a skinhead, then you have to be prepared to deal with the consequences. And if you want to be a part of Xbox Live, then you need to follow their rules. That's all there is to say about it.

It says nothing about this in their terms and conditions... and consequences? for being a skinhead? They are just bullies.
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#15 HilbillyRokstar
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[QUOTE="GAMESHARQ"]

[QUOTE="Eldiablo1232"]Its not a culture.. its a way of lifeEldiablo1232

WTH is the difference? Anyway, if you want to be a skinhead, then you have to be prepared to deal with the consequences. And if you want to be a part of Xbox Live, then you need to follow their rules. That's all there is to say about it.

It says nothing about this in their terms and conditions... and consequences? for being a skinhead? They are just bullies.

Yes it does. It addresses negative and offensive content. 'nuff said.
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[QUOTE="Eldiablo1232"][QUOTE="GAMESHARQ"] WTH is the difference? Anyway, if you want to be a skinhead, then you have to be prepared to deal with the consequences. And if you want to be a part of Xbox Live, then you need to follow their rules. That's all there is to say about it.

HilbillyRokstar

It says nothing about this in their terms and conditions... and consequences? for being a skinhead? They are just bullies.

Yes it does. It addresses negative and offensive content. 'nuff said.

^^^ what he said, the reality is that whether or not u subscribe to racist ideology commonly associated with skinheads, the term skinhead alone falls into offensive words category. people can put gangster in their bio, but cant put the N*gga, Nazi, F*g (please dont mod me im trying to make a point here). Whether you act on it or not, the term alone is enough to warrant offending someone, as a Latino the first thing that came to mind when i read what was in your bio oh this dumb ignorant idiot. Now im no one to judge you for the way you live but my initial reaction came from a place of annoyance for you even before hearing you out and listening to your reasoning. If it happens to me im sure many other people will feel the same way and not care what reasoning you have. One thing though is if your happy living that way and embracing that aspect in your life, so long as you dont hurt anyone enjoy it man.

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#17 Stevo7991
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OP: People like you need to check yourself before submitting.

The term skinhead is some bad slang which microsoft forbids, thats why they suspended you, just incase next time, dont put anything that you might think that'll get you into a bad place.

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#18 i-rock-socks
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oh! its ok everyone, hes taking it back.

decades of people calling themself skinheads and attacking minorities is gonna be rewritten by a few that decided

"i like the name, but not what it means"

skinhead = racist, regardless of what wiki says are what the skinheads want you to believe

if you consider urself a skinhead but not a racist, u fail.

some skinhead claim to be nonracist,thats great, but that doesnt make "skinhead" a non racist group, regardless of who says so.

nazis may claim to love the world now (they dont, but lets pretend) but theyll always be racist nazis

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#19 lazyathew
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Honestly, I never even heard the term "skinhead" before today. That's why I was so baffled, lol. I just thought it was another way of saying bald.

But yeah, if it's commony associated with racisim, I guess I understand the logic, not sure if it's really worthy of a suspention though.

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#20 ZombieKiller7
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It's not fair, it's not right. Would you rather be right? Or would you rather not be suspended? Mean look... This kind of dog crap happened to you on the internet because of a word on your bio. Now imagine later in life someone shooting you because they think you're a neo-nazi. They're not gonna look at the color of your shoe-laces to differentiate the subtypes of skinheads, they're just gonna assume you're a neo-nazi and put a bat to your head. Could also happen if you wear a blue or red bandana in certain neighborhoods, someone might think you're a Blood or a Crip and shoot you. None of this is fair. Violence is not the right way, we all know this. People /should/ have rights, but rights are a myth in the real world. If you rock the boat, you're gonna have a real hard life. Not just on Xbox Live, but everywhere. And that's a shame, but it's the way it is.
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#23 Jaysonguy
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how about iff i mention that im a soldier, no i kill people for livingEldiablo1232

That's not at all what a solider is and if you really think that then I have high cause to think that you're not really one

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#24 BlackDevil99
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Well i came back today to find i have been suspended from xbox live for my bio which was and will be when i get back for it is not offensive in any way and its not being changed: Motto ][\/][ ][ ][\][ '][' Bio Skinhead Till I Die Name josh Location warrington Nothing is wrong with this, yes i am a skinhead but as a person it is my right to choice what i call myself, there is nothing in the Terms and Conditions which say anything about this so why was a told to refer to them? For months Xbox live took money from mine and my mothers account without our permission, they are nothing but thieves who give you no chance to counter their decision. There must be something i can do? Thankyou. Eldiablo1232

where i live skinhead automatically means neo-nazi, maybe someone assumed you meant their local slang and complained.

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#25 HilbillyRokstar
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[QUOTE="Eldiablo1232"]how about iff i mention that im a soldier, no i kill people for livingJaysonguy

That's not at all what a solider is and if you really think that then I have high cause to think that you're not really one

Exactly, REAL soldiers are peacekeepers, that's what they are paid for. They wouldn't be called "heroes" (which they are), otherwise. Man, aren't you getting tired of the taste of foot (filet of sole)lol in your mouth?

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#26 Eldiablo1232
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[QUOTE="Eldiablo1232"]Well i came back today to find i have been suspended from xbox live for my bio which was and will be when i get back for it is not offensive in any way and its not being changed: Motto ][\/][ ][ ][\][ '][' Bio Skinhead Till I Die Name josh Location warrington Nothing is wrong with this, yes i am a skinhead but as a person it is my right to choice what i call myself, there is nothing in the Terms and Conditions which say anything about this so why was a told to refer to them? For months Xbox live took money from mine and my mothers account without our permission, they are nothing but thieves who give you no chance to counter their decision. There must be something i can do? Thankyou. BlackDevil99

where i live skinhead automatically means neo-nazi, maybe someone assumed you meant their local slang and complained.

You must be from USA? Im from England where they first started to appear.... neo nazis are just idiots who are at the bottom of society and have nobody to look down on so they pic on somebody because of their color to make themselves feel important.
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#27 Eldiablo1232
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[QUOTE="Eldiablo1232"]how about iff i mention that im a soldier, no i kill people for livingJaysonguy

That's not at all what a solider is and if you really think that then I have high cause to think that you're not really one

You think what you please, Ahhh but a Skinhead isnt racist but they still think that so why wouldnt they think that soldiers just kill people.. and for your information, we do kill people... so no i was not being false... we are trained to kill... therefore we are paid to kill, we wouldnt have weapons otherwise pal.
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#28 HilbillyRokstar
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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Eldiablo1232"]how about iff i mention that im a soldier, no i kill people for livingEldiablo1232

That's not at all what a solider is and if you really think that then I have high cause to think that you're not really one

You think what you please, Ahhh but a Skinhead isnt racist but they still think that so why wouldnt they think that soldiers just kill people.. and for your information, we do kill people... so no i was not being false... we are trained to kill... therefore we are paid to kill, we wouldnt have weapons otherwise pal.

Sooo...by your logic cops and security guards are paid killers as well?
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#29 Squeezitgirdle
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Take skinhead out of your bio, that's what they suspended you for. You can talk to someone in Xbox Live support, maybe you can convince them, I dunno. Here is their forum http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/f/41.aspxZombieKiller7

let me correct this, if you call xbox live support, we send you to check your email and tell you to dispute it on the xbox forums. There's nothing we can do to un-suspend your account

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#30 Jaysonguy
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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Eldiablo1232"]how about iff i mention that im a soldier, no i kill people for livingEldiablo1232

That's not at all what a solider is and if you really think that then I have high cause to think that you're not really one

You think what you please, Ahhh but a Skinhead isnt racist but they still think that so why wouldnt they think that soldiers just kill people.. and for your information, we do kill people... so no i was not being false... we are trained to kill... therefore we are paid to kill, we wouldnt have weapons otherwise pal.

Nope, and no way you're a soldier

Also you used a term that has a very negative connotation that you should have known was wrong from the start

There's a certain word that has three letters, start with F, and is a term for cigarettes. Using your logic that's ok

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#31 -DirtySanchez-
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really, you see nothing wrong with it? really?
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#32 Squeezitgirdle
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maybe you didn't mean it that way, but the term Skinhead does imply Racism quite often

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#33 -DirtySanchez-
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maybe you didn't mean it that way, but the term Skinhead does imply Racism quite often

Squeezitgirdle
exactly, just like the swastika wasnt always tied to the nazi's but when people use it the first thing anyone thinks of is "nazi" its just the way it is and for you to try and defend it is just sad as you should realize it aswell as anyone else
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#34 Squeezitgirdle
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you're totally Randal from Clerks 2 :P

"I'm takin it back!"

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#35 -DirtySanchez-
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you're totally Randal from Clerks 2 :P

"I'm takin it back!"

Squeezitgirdle
i loved that part frankly i would love the world to be able to strip away the racist/sexist/etc meanings of terms/words/logo's/etc. but however i know they never will with certian things and so should he ( the TC that is )
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#36 skooks
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[QUOTE="BlackDevil99"]

[QUOTE="Eldiablo1232"]Well i came back today to find i have been suspended from xbox live for my bio which was and will be when i get back for it is not offensive in any way and its not being changed: Motto ][\/][ ][ ][\][ '][' Bio Skinhead Till I Die Name josh Location warrington Nothing is wrong with this, yes i am a skinhead but as a person it is my right to choice what i call myself, there is nothing in the Terms and Conditions which say anything about this so why was a told to refer to them? For months Xbox live took money from mine and my mothers account without our permission, they are nothing but thieves who give you no chance to counter their decision. There must be something i can do? Thankyou. Eldiablo1232

where i live skinhead automatically means neo-nazi, maybe someone assumed you meant their local slang and complained.

You must be from USA? Im from England where they first started to appear.... neo nazis are just idiots who are at the bottom of society and have nobody to look down on so they pic on somebody because of their color to make themselves feel important.

I'm from England too mate, and we both know what people here associate with the word skinhead. Don't pretend otherwise.

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#37 BlackDevil99
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[QUOTE="Eldiablo1232"][QUOTE="BlackDevil99"]

where i live skinhead automatically means neo-nazi, maybe someone assumed you meant their local slang and complained.

skooks

You must be from USA? Im from England where they first started to appear.... neo nazis are just idiots who are at the bottom of society and have nobody to look down on so they pic on somebody because of their color to make themselves feel important.

I'm from England too mate, and we both know what people here associate with the word skinhead. Don't pretend otherwise.

I live in Canada actually

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#38 xOMGITSJASONx
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You seem like a racist to me it said you're a skinhead in your Bio. What do you expect? The world doesn't tolerate racism why should Xbox Live? Cause you paid a few bucks?

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#39 HilbillyRokstar
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You seem like a racist to me it said you're a skinhead in your Bio. What do you expect? The world doesn't tolerate racism why should Xbox Live? Cause you paid a few bucks?

xOMGITSJASONx
Oh no, he's not a racist (cause he said so). He's a totally new type of "skinhead" (I just threw up a little when I said that).
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#40 Squeezitgirdle
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[QUOTE="xOMGITSJASONx"]

You seem like a racist to me it said you're a skinhead in your Bio. What do you expect? The world doesn't tolerate racism why should Xbox Live? Cause you paid a few bucks?

HilbillyRokstar

Oh no, he's not a racist (cause he said so). He's a totally new type of "skinhead" (I just threw up a little when I said that).

is that the same as a neo-nazi?

so he's a neo-skinhead?

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#41 shaunchgo
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You should not be surprised by the suspension. Great, you're not racist, but seriously... did you think Microsoft would be ok with the word "Skinhead" in your bio? You say there must be something you can do.. the only thing you can do is to comply or do not give Microsoft anymore money. Will it hurt them financially, no, but they will lose a subscriber.
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#42 Jurassic85
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This is a lot like the Black Ops issue a while back, where they were suspending people for having Nazi symbols as their emblems. It doesn't matter what it means in your mind or what you are trying to express, you have to consider the connotation that it has with the general population. As they said about the Nazi symbols, if you want to try to change the meaning of it that's great, but they don't want you doing it on their game/service.
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#43 Sn00pyBrown
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Why do you even waste the time to put it on your bio, because I don't see how not having it there will affect your gameplay in anyway...

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#44 VoodooHak
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How old are you kids?

Common use of the term is racist. You simply can't argue against that. I don't care what you mean by it. You know the social meaning of the word, and I know you're not that dumb or naive so don't try to hide behind the technicality. Next time, use some common sense.

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#45 Flamingpostman
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im guessing because you called yourself a skin head.

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#46 Chris_Williams
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your saying skin head doesn't mean racist but means the same as being in a gang?..hahaha.....no, most skin heads are racist and have no tolerance for other races, i think you know exactly what it means but your hiding behind "wikipedia". Just change it or don't pay for live anymore

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#47 wazzzzzaaaaa
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thats a little harsh haha

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#48 DecadesOfGaming
Member since 2007 • 3100 Posts

If you lived in the U.K within the 70's you'de probably find skin heads offensive too!

lol

Common sense would suggest using something that offends no one!

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#49 MusashiSensi
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Yikes. This topic took a hard turn on gaming & went over the rail into the bed of rocks.

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#50 bleacher6
Member since 2010 • 332 Posts

Considering a skinhead isnt exactly a racist but more a non conformist and agains the government they have absolutely no reason to suspend you