Team Fortress 2...meh

Am I the only one who thought this. I borrowed my friends orange box, and I was really excited to play TF2 as Half Life isnt my game or portal. But I found TF2 to just be mediocre. I thought the guns felt powerless, there really was no teamwork, and the soldier class or pyro was the only one that could get kills. AND the spys druve me insane.

Why did the Spies drive you insane?

Am I the only one who thought this. I borrowed my friends orange box, and I was really excited to play TF2 as Half Life isnt my game or portal. But I found TF2 to just be mediocre. I thought the guns felt powerless, there really was no teamwork, and the soldier class or pyro was the only one that could get kills. AND the spys druve me insane.

tehsystemwarior

How are the guns powerless exactly? If you actually know how to aim you can kill people really quickly. Well then join another game if you want teamwork because whenever I join there is plenty of teamwork. Learn to use the other classes because I can get kills with all of the classes.Btw the pyro is trash it's the most useless class out of all of them, as long as you know how to play the game the pyro can never kill you unless you are a spy.

Why did the Spies drive you insane?

Palantas

Probably because they are the cheapest cl@ss and it's nothing but a hide and go seek cl@ss Anyone can get a kill with the spy because it's so easy.

Would help if you didn't play the 360 version.. has none of the updates, small community etc.

Would help if you didn't play the 360 version.. has none of the updates, small community etc.

Darkslayer16

My thought exactly.

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Would help if you didn't play the 360 version.. has none of the updates, small community etc.

archvile_78

My thought exactly.

The PC version is a definitely the TF2 you want to play.

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Why did the Spies drive you insane?

DeadApeBladder

Probably because they are the cheapest cl@ss and it's nothing but a hide and go seek cl@ss Anyone can get a kill with the spy because it's so easy.

No, the thread creator said that the only c|asses that can get kills are Pyros and Soldiers, so that can't be why he doesn't like Spies. I'm also going to guess that you haven't put any more time into this game than the TC has, or you wouldn't be describing Spy as "so easy."

Would help if you didn't play the 360 version.. has none of the updates, small community etc.

Darkslayer16

Tell me, which of these issues would be solved by playing a different version of the game:

I thought the guns felt powerless, there really was no teamwork, and the soldier c|ass or pyro was the only one that could get kills. AND the spys druve me insane.

tehsystemwarior

We've got...

• Powerless guns (which is just plain false)
• No teamwork (which is too vague to actually analyze)
• Only Soldiers or Pyros can get kills (which again, is just plain false)
• Spies drive him nuts

None of those issues would be affected, in the slightest, by playing on the PC.

My only problem with TF2 is that there were no updates/content for the 360 version. It got old fast.

i use 2 play this game alot on the 360. but left when some teams were all spies,and the servers would always lag out and crash,floating turrets on dustbowl everytime, and 360 biggest problem its teenage rude community.

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Would help if you didn't play the 360 version.. has none of the updates, small community etc.

hi_im_dave

Tell me, which of these issues would be solved by playing a different version of the game:

I thought the guns felt powerless, there really was no teamwork, and the soldier c|ass or pyro was the only one that could get kills. AND the spys druve me insane.

tehsystemwarior

We've got...

• Powerless guns (which is just plain false)
• No teamwork (which is too vague to actually analyze)
• Only Soldiers or Pyros can get kills (which again, is just plain false)
• Spies drive him nuts

None of those issues would be affected, in the slightest, by playing on the PC.

Orange box on PC is superb.

Loved team fortress 2. One of my favorite shooter ever.

The most fun I had online or was in TF2 or L4D2

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We've got...

• Powerless guns (which is just plain false)
• No teamwork (which is too vague to actually analyze)
• Only Soldiers or Pyros can get kills (which again, is just plain false)
• Spies drive him nuts

None of those issues would be affected, in the slightest, by playing on the PC.

poordude1089

TF2 has been updated over and over and over again since release on PC...In theory these patches can fix all these problems...

Explain how the updates fix any of the thread creator's imaginary problems.

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Would help if you didn't play the 360 version.. has none of the updates, small community etc.

hi_im_dave

My thought exactly.

The PC version is a definitely the TF2 you want to play.

No team work? Wow...

I can understand if you dont like the game, its your personal opinion. But saying there is no Teamwork in TF2 is something I dont find true at all. TF2 has the most teamwork in any online game imo.

I find that in most cases when someone says guns in a particular game are powerless it just means the player doesn't know how to properly use them. This seems to be one of those cases.

Your problem is that you played on the 360 and not the PC, which is the only platform TF2 should be played on.

Also, sorry the game isn't simple like Call of Duty, TF2 actually takes skill and intelligence.

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We've got...

• Powerless guns (which is just plain false)
• No teamwork (which is too vague to actually analyze)
• Only Soldiers or Pyros can get kills (which again, is just plain false)
• Spies drive him nuts

None of those issues would be affected, in the slightest, by playing on the PC.

Palantas

TF2 has been updated over and over and over again since release on PC...In theory these patches can fix all these problems...

Explain how the updates fix any of the thread creator's imaginary problems.

They might, you really never know. Because of the fact that they are personal problems they might be fixed by the game play mechanics of the game being changed. Here's a listof the many... Many updates that TF2 has had over its life time. The updates come with everything from new weapons, different maps, and different buffs and nerfs to the cl@sses. Might I add that all of the updates and patches relate to the TC's "Imaginary" problems.

Might I add that all of the updates and patches relate to the TC's "Imaginary" problems.

DamianAlexander

I'm aware that you think just typing something makes it so, but I'm not satisfied. Explain how the updates fix the thread creator's problems.

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Why did the Spies drive you insane?

Palantas

Probably because they are the cheapest cl@ss and it's nothing but a hide and go seek cl@ss Anyone can get a kill with the spy because it's so easy.

No, the thread creator said that the only c|asses that can get kills are Pyros and Soldiers, so that can't be why he doesn't like Spies. I'm also going to guess that you haven't put any more time into this game than the TC has, or you wouldn't be describing Spy as "so easy."

obviously since youre playing it on a console.

I think you need to play a bit longer and actually take the time to learn each class. They spies probably drive you nuts because you don't know the tips of how to identify your team mate from a spy. in order to get kills other than using the soldiers and pyros, you must know what each classes pros and cons are, and when to use them in the right situations. that's were the teamwork comes into play. The guns may seem powerless because you have either A. been playing allot of MW2 or B. don't like the cartioonie vector look of the game. whether you play the game on pc or 360 its all in all the same game, i feel there is rely no drastic change from 360 to pc ( expt for the spies camera beard :) )

well first, orange box is a good deal. Its not like you pay (or your friend paid) $60 for JUST TF2. You are getting a collection of games. So yeah of course TF2 isnt an awesome stand alone Xbox360 game, if it was, they'd be selling it that way. and 2nd, I think you just havent played the game very much. I've played it on my friend's PS3 and thought it was fun. The spies dont ALWAYS get kills that easly, i think every player finds a class that suits them best. and the game seems pretty balanced to me. making turrets with the engineer was the most fun. TC, I see your "meh" as just an opinion. but TF2 is a decent game, it's something different for people that are sick of Halo and CoD.

Am I the only one who thought this. I borrowed my friends orange box, and I was really excited to play TF2 as Half Life isnt my game or portal. But I found TF2 to just be mediocre. I thought the guns felt powerless, there really was no teamwork, and the soldier class or pyro was the only one that could get kills. AND the spys druve me insane.

tehsystemwarior

in my top 3 favorite games o

:D

Problem is you got the 360 version. I used to own the 360 version and when I got the PC version it just seems like an entirely different game. New guns, equipments(soda cans, pyro's back burners, The Force of Nature shotgun, swords, hats, etc.), new maps, new game modes, 32 players, and a very active community.

I think you need to play a bit longer and actually take the time to learn each class. They spies probably drive you nuts because you don't know the tips of how to identify your team mate from a spy. in order to get kills other than using the soldiers and pyros, you must know what each classes pros and cons are, and when to use them in the right situations. that's were the teamwork comes into play. The guns may seem powerless because you have either A. been playing allot of MW2 or B. don't like the cartioonie vector look of the game. whether you play the game on pc or 360 its all in all the same game, i feel there is rely no drastic change from 360 to pc ( expt for the spies camera beard :) )

manocanada

I respectfully have to disagree on that statement because the amount of updates is insane to the console version. Like I said on my previous post it felt like an entirely different game. I used to own the 360 version too until a purchase the PC version a year later. If anybody has a decent enough PC they should check it out. :) The only way I could describe it to you guys is comparing COD4 to COD:MW2. COD4 being the 360 version and MW2 the PC version.

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Might I add that all of the updates and patches relate to the TC's "Imaginary" problems.

Palantas

I'm aware that you think just typing something makes it so, but I'm not satisfied. Explain how the updates fix the thread creator's problems.

Alright, if you need me to walk you through it I will. The TC feels as if the guns are powerless - The PC version on Steam has had many weapon upgrades, buffs, and nerfs. They've also added a large number of new guns that the Xbox 360 version does have and might never get. The TC also feels as if there isn't any team work - In the Steam version there has been an addiction of several new gametypes and maps that the 360 version doesn't have. TC feels as if the Pyro and Soldier cl@sses are the only ones that get kills and well... He's just wrong on that one, but anyway... There have been nerfs, buffs, and different unlockable weapons for almost all of the cl@sses.

So there you have it. Practically spoon-feed to you. Are you satisfied now?

It should come as no surprise to me that I get a non-explanation from someone who thinks this is an explanation:

They might, you really never know. Because of the fact that they are personal problems they might be fixed by the game play mechanics of the game being changed.

DamianAlexander

"A non-specific solution might solve a specifc problem." What a meaningless statement. Yeah, it might fix it, or it might make it worse. Or it might do nothing at all. You could say this about any game. You could say it about nearly anything.

TC feels as if the Pyro and Soldier cl@sses are the only ones that get kills and well... He's just wrong on that one...

DamianAlexander

You just admitted that the thread creator's just wrong here. However, earlier you said that all the udpates relate to these problems. Let's take a look:

Might I add that all of the updates and patches relate to the TC's "Imaginary" problems.DamianAlexander

How is it possible to fix a problem that doesn't exist? Given that I'm talking to someone who doesn't understand sarcasm, I'll assume you don't understand rhetorical questions either: It is logically impossible to take action on something that doesn't exist. You directly contradicted yourself in two posts. Maybe you can spoon-feed me an explanation as to why you can't write cogently.

How isn't the Spy easy to use? Whenever I encounter a Spy they are either cloaked or hiding in a corner. I have used the Spy many times and it's never hard to use. The magnum is a rather accurate weapon unless I'm going up against a Scout and backstabbing people is painfully easy. Out of all of the classes it was easiest to use when I was new but that's just my experience.craigalan23

So you think it's easier to get kills with the Spy than with power c|asses?

It should come as no surprise to me that I get a non-explanation from someone who thinks this is an explanation:

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They might, you really never know. Because of the fact that they are personal problems they might be fixed by the game play mechanics of the game being changed.

Palantas

"A non-specific solution might solve a specifc problem." What a meaningless statement. Yeah, it might fix it, or it might make it worse. Or it might do nothing at all. You could say this about any game. You could say it about nearly anything.

TC feels as if the Pyro and Soldier cl@sses are the only ones that get kills and well... He's just wrong on that one...

DamianAlexander

You just admitted that the thread creator's just wrong here. However, earlier you said that all the udpates relate to these problems. Let's take a look:

Might I add that all of the updates and patches relate to the TC's "Imaginary" problems.DamianAlexander

How is it possible to fix a problem that doesn't exist? Given that I'm talking to someone who doesn't understand sarcasm, I'll assume you don't understand rhetorical questions either: It is logically impossible to take action on something that doesn't exist. You directly contradicted yourself in two posts. Maybe you can spoon-feed me an explanation as to why you can't write cogently.

Wow, clearly all you're interested in is proving me wrong. And hey, knock yourself out trying.

Your first point - Yeah it might fix it, it might not? How will TC ever find it if you neglect him his right to try it out for himself. Your first point isn't really a point at all, its rather self explanatory to anybody who would read what I posted.

Your second point - Yep, he, in my opinion, is wrong on that point. So under your views of the situation I am either entitled to either standing by him 100% or not at all? No, you have no right to tell me what I can agree with and what I can't agree with. His views on the weapons on TF2 might be right to him but to me he is wrong, but I still gave him the right to know that the Steam version has so many new weapons that he might have different views on, be they negative or positive.

Your third point - I sarcastically called his problems "Imaginary". And since you like to play on words, so will I. What is imagination? Is it the beginning? End? Or the over all idea in a person's mind? Could his imagination actually be his reality as well? the human imagination is simply an abstract thought that we all accept because we all use it yet don't know how to describe. Just as an imaginary thought may become reality, an imaginary thought might already be reality we just haven't realized it yet.

I never contradicted myself. I'm not the TC's mother, I'm not standing by him, I'm not defending him. I'm simply opening a doorway for him, weather he choose to take it or not, to an alternative.

if you don't like Team Fortress 2 then go back and play your Modern Warfare and Halo. yeesh.

I have TF2 on the 360 and PC, and I still play it every other day. I prefer the 360 version believe it or not, because I can play it on my big screen TV and I just like the feel of the controller. Can't wait for the updates.

Engineer FTW.

if you don't like Team Fortress 2 then go back and play your Modern Warfare and Halo. yeesh.

I have TF2 on the 360 and PC, and I still play it every other day. I prefer the 360 version believe it or not, because I can play it on my big screen TV and I just like the feel of the controller. Can't wait for the updates.

Engineer FTW.

imperial_agent

I see you like to be Engineer hehe, me to... Engie and Medic are my most played class.

For your information you can play the PC version with a 360 controller and you can also output to you HDTV. I have my pc sometimes hooked up to my 40" HDTV that I use my 360 on and sometimes on my 24" Widescreen pc monitor.

I also own both PC and 360 versions and while I do like the 360 version, the PC verison is far better and here is why....

- Its got TONS more modes (Arena is awesome mode, along with the payload mode and King Of The Hill)

- Tons of new weapons for each class

-Hundreds of maps

-Dedicated server

- PC version runs @ 60+ FPS

- 360 runs at 30FPS)

- more people playing the game

- Editor to make your own levels and better graphics

- 34 player limit in rooms

- Option of using controller or keyboard + mouse for your controls

I dont see how the 360 version could be better with all that, but thats just my opinion.

I still logged in over 200 hours on the 360 version, but the pc version just has so much more to it.

Bottomline thought TF2 is the best online game of this generation imo, weither its on PC or 360 the gameplay is just so perfect imo.

As far as people saying a certain class is easy and others hard, its totally opinion and nothing more. I find Pyro, Medic and Soldier to be the eaisyiest and Sniper the hardest, while one of my friends finds Sniper and Demoman the most easy and engie/scout/Spy the hardest. While another friend find Scout and Spy the easyiest and medic the hardest. Everyone has different opinions

Tell me, which of these issues would be solved by playing a different version of the gamePalantas

[QUOTE="Palantas"]Tell me, which of these issues would be solved by playing a different version of the gameAgent_Kaliaver

Great post.

I love TF2 on both 360 and PC, but i definatly find myself playing the pc version more.

Also wanted to add to your good list that 60-120 FPS the pc version gets while the 360 version gets 30, to me the speed and performance was like night and day.

Once again this isnt a 360 hate post, because I love my 360 and still play TF2 on 360 from time to time with some of my 360 friends, but this is one game that is just alot better on pc. Usually some games will be pretty even, but all the new content the pc version has is mindblowing.

I went from trying the PC BETA of TF2.. to buying and playing the 360 version of the game (because I didnt have a good pc at the time), then about 4-6 months later going to the PC version when i put my new pc together. I really was blown away at how much more content and how much better it ran on pc.

Still TF2 is great on any system you can get it for though i gotta say.

I never really got into it much either, but I did enjoy it okay.