The flaws in Halo 3

i agree with you man, i mean all games suck, dam it all. let just go and play REAL LIFE :roll:ciaxhieu

The lack of killing elites ruined the game for me. I eventually just got tired of killing brutes over and over again. And where was my option to fly a pelican?Pittfan666

I agree with you mostly. The story does get repetative (especially after 3-4 playthroughs in order to get ahievements). However I think that Halo 3 requires just as much skill as Call of Duty 4 (if not more) on XBOX Live matches.roc321

Both the games you used in your comparison have almost nothing in common to halo despite genre.

Both R6 and CoD try to create a "realistic" game. Halo does not try to do that, and that is probably why you think there is no skill involved.

I've never played R6, but CoD4 requires almost no skill. you don't even need to pull off headshots to really kill your enemies, you can just spray them or camp in the grass.

The AR in H3 is just like that, spray, kill, move on, maybe a nade or a melee attack might be thrown.

The more routine Halo players will probably be using the BR more. Using the BR effectively in Halo 3 requires headshots, no headshotswhile using the BR probably means you'll die, especially in Team BR's or Big Team games.

I feel that just the fact that probably the most used, or second most used, weapon in the game requires you to pull off numerous headshots to use it successfully, makes the game much more skillful than CoD; I still don't know about R6 though.

Know that what I just said is from my own knowledge of CoD and H3, also know that 've played a helluva lot more H3 than I've played CoD. I also forgot about the M41 Garrand in CoD2 assuming you were talking about the entre CoD series.

you troll to much, you obviously just played halo 3, this thread has gone on since it came out

Both the games you used in your comparison have almost nothing in common to halo despite genre.

Both R6 and CoD try to create a "realistic" game. Halo does not try to do that, and that is probably why you think there is no skill involved.

I've never played R6, but CoD4 requires almost no skill. you don't even need to pull off headshots to really kill your enemies, you can just spray them or camp in the grass.

The AR in H3 is just like that, spray, kill, move on, maybe a nade or a melee attack might be thrown.

The more routine Halo players will probably be using the BR more. Using the BR effectively in Halo 3 requires headshots, no headshotswhile using the BR probably means you'll die, especially in Team BR's or Big Team games.

I feel that just the fact that probably the most used, or second most used, weapon in the game requires you to pull off numerous headshots to use it successfully, makes the game much more skillful than CoD; I still don't know about R6 though.

Know that what I just said is from my own knowledge of CoD and H3, also know that 've played a helluva lot more H3 than I've played CoD. I also forgot about the M41 Garrand in CoD2 assuming you were talking about the entre CoD series.

krunkfu2

The single-player campaign for Halo 3 isn't very good, however nobody buys Halo for its campaign. Well some might but most do not, they get it for its online play. I admit that Halo 3 is the game I play the most, but you guys don't know what you are talking about. Halo takes TONS of skill. Its not about who grabs the rockets first unless you are playing with massive newbies. If you are playing Halo for the first time and jump into a MLG Ranked match, or even normal ranked Slayer, you will get WORKED. Even at level 1 the MLG playlist will chew up new players and spit them out. Now take it over to CoD4 and jump into a Hardcore match your first time in and you have a good chance of having a positive K/D. My first day playing CoD4 I had like a 2.5:1 K/D spread. I'm not saying halo owns all, I think CoD4's campaign was AMAZING, I just think Halo is unique and comparing it to RB6V2 and CoD4 gameplay wise is irrelevant. Oh and Halo's Matchmaking system is the best, hands down.

Biggest Halo 3 cons:

Battle Rifle Spray! Tighten the spray Bungie!!

No Forced armor permutations in SWAT and MLG games.

Double Beat Downs are worse than the original melee system.

You honestly have no clue what you are talking about . If you took 6 months off from gaming completely , i would bet my life that when you came back , you would put up better scores on CoD4 than you would Halo3 .

CoD4 takes almost no skill . Unless of course you think laying in a bush for 5 minutes so you can shoot unsuspecting people with 1 or 2 bullets takes skill . That is how the vast majority of people play CoD4 .

You honestly have no clue what you are talking about . If you took 6 months off from gaming completely , i would bet my life that when you came back , you would put up better scores on CoD4 than you would Halo3 .

CoD4 takes almost no skill . Unless of course you think laying in a bush for 5 minutes so you can shoot unsuspecting people with 1 or 2 bullets takes skill . That is how the vast majority of people play CoD4 .

mackreki

I follow people around, then knife them when they turn around. :D

i'd like to add that i never ever hear Kids scream over Xbox live and on Halo 3 when i play, and i have played like over 1500 games by now Both Ranked and Social! Its just total bullcrap to put down Halo 3 online community...Triplekill

Every game has flaws (Halo 3 included). But I do believe that Halo takes more skill on a competitive level (Xbox Live) than COD. SexyPorkins

Ding Ding Ding , and it isn't even really close . CoD4 takes less skill than most fps on the market . With that said , i would say that i still like CoD4 better than Halo3 .

Here's what I think went wrong with Halo 3 (thought some people think nothing is wrong). The story in the game is sooo repetitve. I mean, of course if you go back and do it in every different mode it will be repetitive, but it's so boring and bland that it makes it feel like "Oh god...this part again." Second off, there isn't that much skill behind it. You see games like Rainbow Six and CoD where you can go prone or take cover behind walls and only stick your gun out. Those games rely on how fast you press triggers AND how you play. Halo is just who grabs a rocket first, or who shoots faster / first. Third, having little kids on it screaming in to the mics. Do they know the game is rated M?ZombiesLikeCake

[QUOTE="ZombiesLikeCake"]Here's what I think went wrong with Halo 3 (thought some people think nothing is wrong). The story in the game is sooo repetitve. I mean, of course if you go back and do it in every different mode it will be repetitive, but it's so boring and bland that it makes it feel like "Oh god...this part again." Second off, there isn't that much skill behind it. You see games like Rainbow Six and CoD where you can go prone or take cover behind walls and only stick your gun out. Those games rely on how fast you press triggers AND how you play. Halo is just who grabs a rocket first, or who shoots faster / first. Third, having little kids on it screaming in to the mics. Do they know the game is rated M?djrobst

i'd like to add that i never ever hear Kids scream over Xbox live and on Halo 3 when i play, and i have played like over 1500 games by now Both Ranked and Social! Its just total bullcrap to put down Halo 3 online community...Triplekill

Lol, i love this video for some reason.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=t-s12wfO2-s

[QUOTE="Triplekill"]i'd like to add that i never ever hear Kids scream over Xbox live and on Halo 3 when i play, and i have played like over 1500 games by now Both Ranked and Social! Its just total bullcrap to put down Halo 3 online community...ZombiesLikeCake

[QUOTE="krunkfu2"]

Both the games you used in your comparison have almost nothing in common to halo despite genre.

Both R6 and CoD try to create a "realistic" game. Halo does not try to do that, and that is probably why you think there is no skill involved.

I've never played R6, but CoD4 requires almost no skill. you don't even need to pull off headshots to really kill your enemies, you can just spray them or camp in the grass.

The AR in H3 is just like that, spray, kill, move on, maybe a nade or a melee attack might be thrown.

The more routine Halo players will probably be using the BR more. Using the BR effectively in Halo 3 requires headshots, no headshotswhile using the BR probably means you'll die, especially in Team BR's or Big Team games.

I feel that just the fact that probably the most used, or second most used, weapon in the game requires you to pull off numerous headshots to use it successfully, makes the game much more skillful than CoD; I still don't know about R6 though.

Know that what I just said is from my own knowledge of CoD and H3, also know that 've played a helluva lot more H3 than I've played CoD. I also forgot about the M41 Garrand in CoD2 assuming you were talking about the entre CoD series.

ZombiesLikeCake

You couldn't be more wrong. Halo 3 takes just as much skill as any other online shooter. You are probably thinking of games where everyone runs to the middle of the map and fires assault rifles and tries melees. That takes little skill. When you played against people who actually know what they are doing, it takes a lot of skill in a 1 vs 1 br fight. While I am not a 50, I am played quite a few in mlg customs and know what I'm talking about.

you're an ignorant fanboy who simply wants to jump on tha band wagon of hating halo 3 just for the sheer enjoyment of trashing on a game that is arguably the most popular series out to date.

calling the campaign repetetive is your opinion. the majority of people who find the campaign repetetive are the people who have poured hundreds upon hundreds of hours into halo 1 and 2. play a game for that long and of course its going to feel repetetive.

i'm a huge rainbow six fan and you would be right in saying it takes more skill than halo, yet to say call of duty 4 takes more skill is a blatant and unintelligent statement. the auto-aim, not aim assist because it is far heavier than that, on call of duty 4 along with the one shot kill power of the m16 with stopping power makes the game easily accessible to be good at. when you can kill someone with a single shot with such heavy help from the computer it clearly takes less skill than halo where no gun over rules another gun. in fact, halo 3 takes easily twice as much skill as call of duty 4.

also, im sick and tired of hearing people complain about younger kids on xbox live. im 20 and in college and play xbox live for a couple hours every day maybe every other day, and i assure you that maybe a meager 1 out of every 20 games i enter has a single annoying kid in them. you know what i simply do? i press two buttons and mute them before the game even starts, and i dont even have to worry about it any more. its as easy as that. so get over it and learn to use the mute button, thats what its there for.

you point out maybe one semi-valid reason out of your three and that is the single player being repetetive, but less face it, like most people have stated, you buy halo 3 for its multiplayer and it is without a doubt a game that takes far more skill than call of duty 4, which also lets you miraculously lay grenades on your dead body after youve been shot in the head (which is impossible) all to luckily manage and get another kill, therefore making it even less skillful. and if you werent a whining fool you would mute those people that bother you and move on and finish your game enjoyably.

[QUOTE="roc321"]I agree with you mostly. The story does get repetative (especially after 3-4 playthroughs in order to get ahievements). However I think that Halo 3 requires just as much skill as Call of Duty 4 (if not more) on XBOX Live matches.ZombiesLikeCake

That's your problem. Halo isn't supposed to be tactical. I have Vegas, and I definitely prefer to play Halo online. Vegas does require more skill I guess, but that doesn't mean it's more fun.

[QUOTE="ZombiesLikeCake"][QUOTE="roc321"]I agree with you mostly. The story does get repetative (especially after 3-4 playthroughs in order to get ahievements). However I think that Halo 3 requires just as much skill as Call of Duty 4 (if not more) on XBOX Live matches.Impex

That's your problem. Halo isn't supposed to be tactical. I have Vegas, and I definitely prefer to play Halo online. Vegas does require more skill I guess, but that doesn't mean it's more fun.

I agree its not supposed to be tactical If they truly wantedd tactical gameplay they would have gone with squads. And the game types they just scream casual. Like oddball thats not tactical. And big team battles its not about tactical its about having a fragfest with people thats the whole Idea its not supposed to be based on skill that what raibow six Vegas 2 is about. tactical for example falsh and clear a doorway thats tactical. COD4 is just another frag fest with a new skin theres not tactics.

i'm a huge rainbow six fan and you would be right in saying it takes more skill than halo, yet to say call of duty 4 takes more skill is a blatant and unintelligent statement. the auto-aim, not aim assist because it is far heavier than that, on call of duty 4 along with the one shot kill power of the m16 with stopping power makes the game easily accessible to be good at. when you can kill someone with a single shot with such heavy help from the computer it clearly takes less skill than halo where no gun over rules another gun. in fact, halo 3 takes easily twice as much skill as call of duty 4.

makchady

Wrong.

This post just became Halo3 fanboys Vs. COD4 fanboys arguing over what game is better. And most people are worng about their appreciations.

The only thing that makes those two games similar is that they are FPS, that's it. COD4 is a realistic game, and Halo3 is all the opposit (not saying it's a bad thing). That's why in COD you need a couple of shots to kill someone and in Halo3 you need about 70 bullets to do the same with the standard rifle. They're two very different genres (even if they're both FPS) and comparing them that way is like comparing bananas and oranges (as my father would say, lol).

And about skill, I think both games (and any game for that reason) are the same. Of course it's very easy to kill in COD4, but it's just as easy to die. Same thing as Halo3, more difficult to kill, but also more difficult to die. That's why in a 15 minute match in Halo3 the first one with 25 kills wins, and in a map like Shipment in COD4 one person could easily get 70 o 80 kills. It's just how the games work.

So, I think it's just a matter of tastes, and not a matter of fanboys with very little ponit of view. I personaly think that in Halo3 you usually get a chance to kill your opponent if he sees you first and you happen to have a better weapon with you (couple of 20 feet jumps, couple of grenades), and in COD4 you don't. If he sees you, you're dead. Both are good things, and provide different means of playability.

One word: Customs.

And another word with a dash in it: Split-screen (something COD4 has, but is lacking sooooooo much)

One word: Customs.

And another word with a dash in it: Split-screen (something COD4 has, but is lacking sooooooo much)

Killer2401

[QUOTE="makchady"]

i'm a huge rainbow six fan and you would be right in saying it takes more skill than halo, yet to say call of duty 4 takes more skill is a blatant and unintelligent statement. the auto-aim, not aim assist because it is far heavier than that, on call of duty 4 along with the one shot kill power of the m16 with stopping power makes the game easily accessible to be good at. when you can kill someone with a single shot with such heavy help from the computer it clearly takes less skill than halo where no gun over rules another gun. in fact, halo 3 takes easily twice as much skill as call of duty 4.

hugonne

Wrong.

This post just became Halo3 fanboys Vs. COD4 fanboys arguing over what game is better. And most people are worng about their appreciations.

The only thing that makes those two games similar is that they are FPS, that's it. COD4 is a realistic game, and Halo3 is all the opposit (not saying it's a bad thing). That's why in COD you need a couple of shots to kill someone and in Halo3 you need about 70 bullets to do the same with the standard rifle. They're two very different genres (even if they're both FPS) and comparing them that way is like comparing bananas and oranges (as my father would say, lol).

And about skill, I think both games (and any game for that reason) are the same. Of course it's very easy to kill in COD4, but it's just as easy to die. Same thing as Halo3, more difficult to kill, but also more difficult to die. That's why in a 15 minute match in Halo3 the first one with 25 kills wins, and in a map like Shipment in COD4 one person could easily get 70 o 80 kills. It's just how the games work.

So, I think it's just a matter of tastes, and not a matter of fanboys with very little ponit of view. I personaly think that in Halo3 you usually get a chance to kill your opponent if he sees you first and you happen to have a better weapon with you (couple of 20 feet jumps, couple of grenades), and in COD4 you don't. If he sees you, you're dead. Both are good things, and provide different means of playability.

yeah, youre right, call of duty 4 is very realistic, thats why your health regenerates in a fraction of a second and you can, like i said, miraculously release a grenade upon death, both of which are very plausible in the real world.

but you prove my exact point, in call of duty 4 its who sees who first, whereas in halo you at least have a fighting chance. also, in halo the weapons just so happen to be balanced. unfortunately call of duty 4 isnt so much. another reason why halo takes more skill is because it doesnt have perks which you earn after gaining mass amounts of experience.

everyone who plays halo is on the same playing field no matter how long they have been playing, and you can easily distinguish who is good and who clearly is not. perks reward cruddy gamers just for having played the game for an extended period of time and thus helps to make them better when in fact they arent, its just their new abilties that help them.

and this argument was all started by a call of duty 4 fanboy who, again like i said, is an ignorant fool who just wants to trash on halo because it is the most popular series out.

Flaw with halo3..
No sprint.. youngster's parents pay for the gold and say it's okay to play without super vision..Alan1187

You don't need sprint. You already move fast enough.

Here's what I think went wrong with Halo 3 (thought some people think nothing is wrong). The story in the game is sooo repetitve. I mean, of course if you go back and do it in every different mode it will be repetitive, but it's so boring and bland that it makes it feel like "Oh god...this part again." Second off, there isn't that much skill behind it. You see games like Rainbow Six and CoD where you can go prone or take cover behind walls and only stick your gun out. Those games rely on how fast you press triggers AND how you play. Halo is just who grabs a rocket first, or who shoots faster / first. Third, having little kids on it screaming in to the mics. Do they know the game is rated M?ZombiesLikeCake

I think your just comparing it to CoD and R6. Its a completely diff game. It does have strategies and not all maps have rockets. Even when they do its not hard to kill the person with them. And how fast you can press the trigger and who shoots faster is the same thing... Halo is very deep, it has 3 times more game modes then CoD and rainbow. I think the online has a lot of strategie, you prob just suck and are too blind to see it.

people are just comparing Halo to CoD when they are completely diffrent games. Just because you like 1 game more then the other, does not make it a bad game.

Here's what I think went wrong with Halo 3 (thought some people think nothing is wrong). The story in the game is sooo repetitve. I mean, of course if you go back and do it in every different mode it will be repetitive, but it's so boring and bland that it makes it feel like "Oh god...this part again." Second off, there isn't that much skill behind it. You see games like Rainbow Six and CoD where you can go prone or take cover behind walls and only stick your gun out. Those games rely on how fast you press triggers AND how you play. Halo is just who grabs a rocket first, or who shoots faster / first. Third, having little kids on it screaming in to the mics. Do they know the game is rated M?ZombiesLikeCake

This is what I believe. I thought the campaign was fun cuz I thought the story was pretty well thought out, and the guy wasn't named soap lol (jk).

Halo DOES require skill. There is a reason why a lot of people do not like it and that is because it's a challenging game. You actually have to pull the right trigger more than once to kill a guy GASP! When you start getting shot from behind, it's not over.

I love RSV and it's easily my top 3 games (since I don't have the sequel) and I've played through COD and at no point in COD can you take cover. There is no cover system. RSV has one, COD doesn't. I mean in COD you can stand behind a wall and stick your gun out, but you can do the same in all Halos and COD's.

Halo is a fast trigger too. No shooting game is a slow paced shooting game besides turn based strategy games.

You say in Halo it's who grabs the rocketrs first, what about COD, with the famous noob tube or the RPG? Huh?

I'm reading it and you just wrote Halo is who shoots first? That isn't Halo (maybe for you cuz you seem like the kind of person to whip out the assault rifle and go after some other person with an assault rifle). In halo you use the battle rifle and if you're not accurate with it, you lose. It doesn't matter who shoots first. It's who can land the 4 br shots to the skull. In COD all you do is turn a corner, find a guy, burst shot him once, and he's dead. THAT, is who shhots first, wins.

And about the little kids, they're everywhere on XBOX LIVE, not just Halo, and second, YOU EVER HEAR OF THE MUTE BUTTON? It's in the pregame lobby. Press their name, go down to mute. OMG!

Get the facts straight before you post. I'm not ragging on COD, but you just DO NOT know what you are talking about AT ALL.

Halo 3 is fun. CoD is fun. R6 is fun. Why does all this even matter?:?

[QUOTE="djrobst"][QUOTE="ZombiesLikeCake"]Here's what I think went wrong with Halo 3 (thought some people think nothing is wrong). The story in the game is sooo repetitve. I mean, of course if you go back and do it in every different mode it will be repetitive, but it's so boring and bland that it makes it feel like "Oh god...this part again." Second off, there isn't that much skill behind it. You see games like Rainbow Six and CoD where you can go prone or take cover behind walls and only stick your gun out. Those games rely on how fast you press triggers AND how you play. Halo is just who grabs a rocket first, or who shoots faster / first. Third, having little kids on it screaming in to the mics. Do they know the game is rated M?ZombiesLikeCake

you're an ignorant fanboy who simply wants to jump on tha band wagon of hating halo 3 just for the sheer enjoyment of trashing on a game that is arguably the most popular series out to date.

calling the campaign repetetive is your opinion. the majority of people who find the campaign repetetive are the people who have poured hundreds upon hundreds of hours into halo 1 and 2. play a game for that long and of course its going to feel repetetive.

i'm a huge rainbow six fan and you would be right in saying it takes more skill than halo, yet to say call of duty 4 takes more skill is a blatant and unintelligent statement. the auto-aim, not aim assist because it is far heavier than that, on call of duty 4 along with the one shot kill power of the m16 with stopping power makes the game easily accessible to be good at. when you can kill someone with a single shot with such heavy help from the computer it clearly takes less skill than halo where no gun over rules another gun. in fact, halo 3 takes easily twice as much skill as call of duty 4.

also, im sick and tired of hearing people complain about younger kids on xbox live. im 20 and in college and play xbox live for a couple hours every day maybe every other day, and i assure you that maybe a meager 1 out of every 20 games i enter has a single annoying kid in them. you know what i simply do? i press two buttons and mute them before the game even starts, and i dont even have to worry about it any more. its as easy as that. so get over it and learn to use the mute button, thats what its there for.

you point out maybe one semi-valid reason out of your three and that is the single player being repetetive, but less face it, like most people have stated, you buy halo 3 for its multiplayer and it is without a doubt a game that takes far more skill than call of duty 4, which also lets you miraculously lay grenades on your dead body after youve been shot in the head (which is impossible) all to luckily manage and get another kill, therefore making it even less skillful. and if you werent a whining fool you would mute those people that bother you and move on and finish your game enjoyably.

makchady

Halo 3 is fun. CoD is fun. R6 is fun. Why does all this even matter?:?

GregoryChambers

Here's what I think went wrong with Halo 3 (thought some people think nothing is wrong). The story in the game is sooo repetitve. I mean, of course if you go back and do it in every different mode it will be repetitive, but it's so boring and bland that it makes it feel like "Oh god...this part again." Second off, there isn't that much skill behind it. You see games like Rainbow Six and CoD where you can go prone or take cover behind walls and only stick your gun out. Those games rely on how fast you press triggers AND how you play. Halo is just who grabs a rocket first, or who shoots faster / first. Third, having little kids on it screaming in to the mics. Do they know the game is rated M?ZombiesLikeCake

I didnt read through the 3 pages of replies, so I apologize if I repeat whats already been said.

You praise CoD and R6 for rewarding those who are quicker on the trigger.................but then turn around and criticize Halo for the exact same thing. Besides from what I understand, CoD is all about who is better at grenade throwing. Wouldnt you say thats on the same level your rocket launcher point?

Second, you cannot fault a game based on the people that play it. Its not Bungie's fault that M$ has yet to develop a way to keep snot nosed brats off of XBL.

having little kids on it screaming in to the mics. Do they know the game is rated M?ZombiesLikeCake

fun fact

you can mute poeple on halo3.