The new Gears Map are a bad thing.

Now that MS is charging for Gears maps, everyone loses.  This totally stinks.  Even if you wanted these new maps and didn't mind paying, you're getting hosed.  The reason: they are severely segmenting their user base.

More people will not buy this, than will.  It's going to be that much harder to get a good match started, since the pool of available players will shrink.

I am torn about this download, but I'm leaning towards not getting it.  I already bought Gears.  I don't feel like paying 1/6th of its price for 4 additional maps, when we know that the developers wanted to get it to us for free, no less.  I already pay for XBOX Live.

I have ten bucks to blow, but on principle, I'm going to try to avoid these, despite playing Gears online a few nights each week.

--Dave 

why would u buy a 360 if u pay for online? we all know its a company that is always looking for money. and seriously if so many people are complaining...start a petition...people complained about the elites and file transfers, and they got it for free, so, complain about content not being free, its a long shot but hey, microsoft can afford it,and your voice WILL be heard.

IT"S EXTRA!! THEY HAVE TO WORK FOR IT. IF YOU WANT IT, BUY IT. THEY ALLREADY GAVE YOU FREE MAPS.
you'll find out when you get a job yourself wen you grow up.danneswegman

that's not the point. the developers (people who put all the time into making the game) are being FORCED to charge for what they wanted to be free material. it's because of people like you why we keep getting shafted. like someone already said, if you do nothing (like you seem to like to do) then no change will come.  

[QUOTE="danneswegman"]IT"S EXTRA!! THEY HAVE TO WORK FOR IT. IF YOU WANT IT, BUY IT. THEY ALLREADY GAVE YOU FREE MAPS.
you'll find out when you get a job yourself wen you grow up.firebreathing

that's not the point. the developers (people who put all the time into making the game) are being FORCED to charge for what they wanted to be free material. it's because of people like you why we keep getting shafted. like someone already said, if you do nothing (like you seem to like to do) then no change will come.  

I dont see why we should pay for game content when we already pay a lot of money for the gamesboyinfridge

IT"S EXTRA!! THEY HAVE TO WORK FOR IT. IF YOU WANT IT, BUY IT. THEY ALLREADY GAVE YOU FREE MAPS.
you'll find out when you get a job yourself wen you grow up.danneswegman

That's what I said with the later DLC from OBlivion, it was created after launch and paying for it is only fair. But this is different, thsi is seposed to be free and Microsoft nto the devs put a price on it. The worst thing is that it concerns multiplayer and it will partly destroy the fun of GeOW.

I don't care about the 10 bucks to pay for the maps, I just don't like the fact that the amount of people to play against will decline significantly since ALOT of people will still be playing on the older non updated version which will really ruin the Gears of War multiplayer for those that make the jump to the new maps.

START A PETITION LIKE I SAID, obviously any1 who plays gears(hundreds of thousands, will sign)thegreat_one3

 I challenge you to get even 1000 people sign your petition. They'll just wait 4 months until they're free. 

1: I thought they were free.

2: If they are being charged for, it's MICROSOFTS fault. Not Epics. Epic have been quite straightforward that they planned to release for free and MS forced them to charge, to keep in line with MS's own Marketplace products.

Someone start a petition like they did for the Bioshock special edition.

no there not

People who say "I already pay for Xbox Live, why should I have to pay for DLC" are complete village idiots. Xbox Live has NOTHING to do with the new maps. Thats the same as people saying I already pay for my ISP, why should I have to pay for Xbox Live. :roll: Yeah we all payed for the game once, and what came with the original game is what we paid for. Do you think Epic just doesnt pay their employees to work on DLC? If you dont want to pay for it thats one thing, just dont play the new maps, but it is pretty ridiculous, not to mention almost childish to expect them for free. Yes I know Epic said their DLC would be free, but who cares, its not their fault, and its not really that big of a deal anyways. People have no problem dropping like $500 on the system itself and then paying $60 for a game, but when DLC is $10 people freak out. Its simple, if you dont want to part with your precious $10 that you have been saving for 4 months from your allowance, then dont, just wait until their free. Some peoples logic is absolutely amazing.Xero319

QFT.

[QUOTE="danneswegman"]IT"S EXTRA!! THEY HAVE TO WORK FOR IT. IF YOU WANT IT, BUY IT. THEY ALLREADY GAVE YOU FREE MAPS.
you'll find out when you get a job yourself wen you grow up.ronnet

That's what I said with the later DLC from OBlivion, it was created after launch and paying for it is only fair. But this is different, thsi is seposed to be free and Microsoft nto the devs put a price on it. The worst thing is that it concerns multiplayer and it will partly destroy the fun of GeOW.

Whatever have fun preserving your precious ten bucks, I'm going to take the big huge leap and splash out that enormous amount of money on the maps. I may be in debt for a while and I won't be eating for a few days, but I'm sure it will be worth itPiaras007

Couldn't have said it better myself. Hope to see you in the marsh :D

I'm not getting them because I'm cheap, don't play Gears that much, am not really that GOOD at the game (at least MP) and it's going to be free in a few months. If people want to whatever.

You can complain all you like, but Epic made a promise they didn't have the power to keep. They're not the only ones involved in the process and if MS wants to make some money off of a game they published, that's their right. Let Epic publish their own games if they want to be philanthropists. 

I wont be paying. The fact epic wanted it to be free and MS wanted to charge, despite me paying them money for there service, being a loyal customer to there console and spendiny my hard earned money on it and they still try to leech me.

I'd rather wait for it to be free. 

As long as people are fine with the status quo (in this case, charging money for extra maps) then there will be no need to change the status quo.  Simple economics, if the bulk of people don't buy it, the prices go down and in this case possibly free.  A petition isn't really necessary.

When the maps are released tomorrow and no one or very few people have downloaded it then viola!  free maps or at least cheaper maps

Now that MS is charging for Gears maps, everyone loses.  This totally stinks.  Even if you wanted these new maps and didn't mind paying, you're getting hosed.  The reason: they are severely segmenting their user base.

More people will not buy this, than will.  It's going to be that much harder to get a good match started, since the pool of available players will shrink.

 

I am torn about this download, but I'm leaning towards not getting it.  I already bought Gears.  I don't feel like paying 1/6th of its price for 4 additional maps, when we know that the developers wanted to get it to us for free, no less.  I already pay for XBOX Live.

I have ten bucks to blow, but on principle, I'm going to try to avoid these, despite playing Gears online a few nights each week.

--DaveDaveGray

IMO Gears is in need of some serious tweaking before I am going to throw more money at making it fun. New maps are cool, but they are just new arenas to deal with frustration in. The onslaught of updates since the release have been welcome, but there are a few areas that need attention. Specifically the glitches and hit detection. Plus I can guarantee I will be hooked on Forza 2 all summer long. It is quite possible Gears will collect dust for the rest of it's days on my shelf if the multi-player continues to benefit glitchers and not honest gamers. lukeymonw

Seriously, I'd rather them have fixed HALF of the glitches than them even release one new map.   

Some of the people replying to this thread are missing the point.  Sure, a lot of times extra contents takes tons of extra work and therefore charging for it is ok.  In this particular case the makers of the game told MS they want the contents to be free to download.  MS said no way and is charging for content that is intended to reach the audience for free. 

 Based on that alone I will not buy these maps.  You tell MS what they can and cannot do with your wallets.  Buy these maps, they will do this again and again.  Wait till Sept. and get them for free anyway...that shows MS that you are not willing to be bullied around by them.

People who say "I already pay for Xbox Live, why should I have to pay for DLC" are complete village idiots. Xbox Live has NOTHING to do with the new maps. Thats the same as people saying I already pay for my ISP, why should I have to pay for Xbox Live. :roll: Yeah we all payed for the game once, and what came with the original game is what we paid for. Do you think Epic just doesnt pay their employees to work on DLC? If you dont want to pay for it thats one thing, just dont play the new maps, but it is pretty ridiculous, not to mention almost childish to expect them for free. Yes I know Epic said their DLC would be free, but who cares, its not their fault, and its not really that big of a deal anyways. People have no problem dropping like $500 on the system itself and then paying $60 for a game, but when DLC is $10 people freak out. Its simple, if you dont want to part with your precious $10 that you have been saving for 4 months from your allowance, then dont, just wait until their free. Some peoples logic is absolutely amazing.Xero319

Obviously, you don't understand the situation.  Epic made the content.  Epic is GIVING it to us.  It's Microsoft that is forcing the $10 charge.  Micosoft's job is to distribute the content.  ...and I already pay $50 a year for the XBOX Live Gold service (which entitles me to distribution.

The reason that we're getting charged is that so other companies can charge, as well....without having people say "What about Gears?"

Anyone who calls this "whining" just doesn't understand me.  I wipe my crack with 10 bucks.  It's not the money.  We are at a turning point in video game history.  Right now, we are deciding what will be acceptable and what will not in the realm of downloadable content.  And companies (not just MS) will go as far as the possibly can.  It's the nature of business.  But we have to say "no" eventually.  When the content is allegedly free to begin with, then is later tagged a $10 fee for no apparent reason, that seems like a good place to start putting my foot down.

It's not like MS and Epic don't get anything from giving away content, by the way.  It keeps these games from getting re-sold back to stores, and drives more interest in the console.  The best way for video game companies to fight re-sale is to make long lasting games.  ...not to mention brand loyalty and customer good will.  Epic is trying to do that, as a long term business decision.

--Dave 

segmenting?

theres like a million people playing at any given time.

I don't think you'll have any trouble finding people no matter which maps you play on.

[QUOTE="Xero319"]People who say "I already pay for Xbox Live, why should I have to pay for DLC" are complete village idiots. Xbox Live has NOTHING to do with the new maps. Thats the same as people saying I already pay for my ISP, why should I have to pay for Xbox Live. :roll: Yeah we all payed for the game once, and what came with the original game is what we paid for. Do you think Epic just doesnt pay their employees to work on DLC? If you dont want to pay for it thats one thing, just dont play the new maps, but it is pretty ridiculous, not to mention almost childish to expect them for free. Yes I know Epic said their DLC would be free, but who cares, its not their fault, and its not really that big of a deal anyways. People have no problem dropping like $500 on the system itself and then paying $60 for a game, but when DLC is $10 people freak out. Its simple, if you dont want to part with your precious $10 that you have been saving for 4 months from your allowance, then dont, just wait until their free. Some peoples logic is absolutely amazing.DaveGray

Obviously, you don't understand the situation. Epic made the content. Epic is GIVING it to us. It's Microsoft that is forcing the $10 charge. Micosoft's job is to distribute the content. ...and I already pay $50 a year for the XBOX Live Gold service (which entitles me to distribution.

The reason that we're getting charged is that so other companies can charge, as well....without having people say "What about Gears?"

Anyone who calls this "whining" just doesn't understand me. I wipe my crack with 10 bucks. It's not the money. We are at a turning point in video game history. Right now, we are deciding what will be acceptable and what will not in the realm of downloadable content. And companies (not just MS) will go as far as the possibly can. It's the nature of business. But we have to say "no" eventually. When the content is allegedly free to begin with, then is later tagged a $10 fee for no apparent reason, that seems like a good place to start putting my foot down.

It's not like MS and Epic don't get anything from giving away content, by the way. It keeps these games from getting re-sold back to stores, and drives more interest in the console. The best way for video game companies to fight re-sale is to make long lasting games. ...not to mention brand loyalty and customer good will. Epic is trying to do that, as a long term business decision.

--Dave

Your speech has swayed me at first i was unsure about buying the maps or not, now Ive decided that I'm not willing to give Microsoft my money when i shouldn't have to. I wouldn't mind paying if EPIC wanted to charge for it and would happily buy them without a thought. 

Your speech has swayed me at first i was unsure about buying the maps or not, now Ive decided that I'm not willing to give Microsoft my money when i shouldn't have to. I wouldn't mind paying if EPIC wanted to charge for it and would happily buy them without a thought.

willpd123

Thanks.  ...my speech (or rant, as some might say) has swayed me too.  I REALLY WANT THESE MAPS.  But I'm going to have to say no.  I can wait.  ...and even if I can't, I will.

--Dave 

Now that MS is charging for Gears maps, everyone loses.  This totally stinks.  Even if you wanted these new maps and didn't mind paying, you're getting hosed.  The reason: they are severely segmenting their user base.

More people will not buy this, than will.  It's going to be that much harder to get a good match started, since the pool of available players will shrink.

 

I am torn about this download, but I'm leaning towards not getting it.  I already bought Gears.  I don't feel like paying 1/6th of its price for 4 additional maps, when we know that the developers wanted to get it to us for free, no less.  I already pay for XBOX Live.

I have ten bucks to blow, but on principle, I'm going to try to avoid these, despite playing Gears online a few nights each week.

--Dave 

DaveGray

There are at least a million people that played/still playing Gears of War online. The Gamespot community doesn't represent a fraction of the total number of people that play Gears of War online. Therefore, there are gonna be a bunch of people buying the maps. Don't think the die-hard are going to pass out on these maps.

You only just figured this out?

But it's not like EVERYONE is going to download these and play only these maps,i'm sure not many people will both with these maps...3+million people did buy this game after-all. 

[QUOTE="boyinfridge"]I dont see why we should pay for game content when we already pay a lot of money for the gamesdanneswegman

no its not extra.  they are using DL content as an excuse to call it extra.  it should have been included in the game, and if they need to charge $65 because of the extra maps then so be it, i'd rather have them in the packaging. 

this crap is all about marketing and trying to make their wallets fatter, and i respect that at least one dev realizes that we bought their game, they should reward their customers with free maps.  DL content wouldnt piss me off so much if devs would wait months after their game is released to give us more content, after all the main reason why we have DL content in the first place is to prolong the games life.  if more people are still playing then theres a better chance more ppl will buy, so it works for both sides.  but the fact that alot of companies are releasing map packs, weapon packs, clothing, cheats, w/e weeks to maybe a short month after the game released is turning me off. 

with that said, i'm not a poor man and i'll most likely buy the maps as the screens look good, and seems like they are all interactive which is nice.  i just hate the direction DL content is going is all

[QUOTE="Xero319"]People who say "I already pay for Xbox Live, why should I have to pay for DLC" are complete village idiots. Xbox Live has NOTHING to do with the new maps. Thats the same as people saying I already pay for my ISP, why should I have to pay for Xbox Live. :roll: Yeah we all payed for the game once, and what came with the original game is what we paid for. Do you think Epic just doesnt pay their employees to work on DLC? If you dont want to pay for it thats one thing, just dont play the new maps, but it is pretty ridiculous, not to mention almost childish to expect them for free. Yes I know Epic said their DLC would be free, but who cares, its not their fault, and its not really that big of a deal anyways. People have no problem dropping like $500 on the system itself and then paying $60 for a game, but when DLC is $10 people freak out. Its simple, if you dont want to part with your precious $10 that you have been saving for 4 months from your allowance, then dont, just wait until their free. Some peoples logic is absolutely amazing.DaveGray

Obviously, you don't understand the situation.  Epic made the content.  Epic is GIVING it to us.  It's Microsoft that is forcing the $10 charge.  Micosoft's job is to distribute the content.  ...and I already pay $50 a year for the XBOX Live Gold service (which entitles me to distribution.

The reason that we're getting charged is that so other companies can charge, as well....without having people say "What about Gears?"

Anyone who calls this "whining" just doesn't understand me.  I wipe my crack with 10 bucks.  It's not the money.  We are at a turning point in video game history.  Right now, we are deciding what will be acceptable and what will not in the realm of downloadable content.  And companies (not just MS) will go as far as the possibly can.  It's the nature of business.  But we have to say "no" eventually.  When the content is allegedly free to begin with, then is later tagged a $10 fee for no apparent reason, that seems like a good place to start putting my foot down.

It's not like MS and Epic don't get anything from giving away content, by the way.  It keeps these games from getting re-sold back to stores, and drives more interest in the console.  The best way for video game companies to fight re-sale is to make long lasting games.  ...not to mention brand loyalty and customer good will.  Epic is trying to do that, as a long term business decision.

--Dave 

very good points.  you and me are on the same page