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#1 M3ran
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Hey guys ,i just beaten the game to 89.5% complete and i somehow feel deperessed about the ending:(,IMO it could have been alot better,

what do you guys think.i mean its like seeing nico bellic die in the last mission or like seeing tommy vercetti killed in the last mission by other gangstas.dont you think?yea so what if his son is alive,we dont care about his son,yea they made him exactly the same as his dad to tell us that his legacy still lives on,but it just doesnt work for me.John marstone is the same character we played in Red dead revolver,red harlow i think or what ever,

the fact of the matter is that they made the ending so wrong.i mean people should end up being happy they played as John Marstone,but its the exact opposite.

the thing that annoyed me alot was the chance that the creators give you to use the Dead Eye.on all those people for no reason!what is wrong with you Rstar.

lets see what you think people.

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#2 DJ_Magneto
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This topic has been done to death. I honestly think that most people didn't like the ending because they don't like Jack Marston's voice. Pretty petty IMO. Others may be genuinely upset that the character of John is lost, but that's just typical spaghetti western story telling right there. The hero doesn't always survive in the end. But he kept to his conviction that he had throughout the story. To protect his family. And he went out in a blaze of glory. I loved the ending. BTW, did you take Jack to Black Water to run through the FINAL mission? The final act of "Redemption".
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#3 M3ran
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@DJ_Magneto oh yes i did,and yes i killed the dude that killed my father :D and got the credit.

but that jack kid is a loser,dont you think?and yes his voice if awful,hehe

if john was the character from red dead revolver,then i think rockstar messed it up to kill him.

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#4 DJ_Magneto
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The more people talk about this game ending, the more I feel that R* got this completely right. What other game ending in recent memory has stirred up this much conversation and outcry of opinion: Good or Bad? It got people's emotions going. It got people talking. How many other games just go out on a wimper with the typical textbook ending that people expect? RDR's ending just came way out of left field, and if it wasn't spoiled for you, you had to have just sat there with your mouth open saying to yourself, "Did that just happen?" And the fact that they gave you an "opportunity" to Dead Eye as many people as you could to give you the ILLUSION that you could have actually stopped it made it that much more impactful on people's emotions. "Dang I could have stopped that from happening." How many people went back to play that final mission to see if they could have changed the outcome?
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@DJ_Magneto oh yes i did,and yes i killed the dude that killed my father :D and got the credit.

but that jack kid is a loser,dont you think?and yes his voice if awful,hehe

if john was the character from red dead revolver,then i think rockstar messed it up to kill him.

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John is not the character from Red Dead Revolver. Rockstar has always made a point of that. Jack's voice doesn't bother me. I actually liked the character of Jack. The last Rancher missions, which were almost like the intro tutorial missions of Bonnie at the beginning of the game, were like advanced tutorials for Jack. John was teaching him to be a man. And when the shot pans back and you see Jack as an adult for the first time, it made those Rancher missions more poignant to me. It all made sense in the end, so it didn't bother me at all that we played as Jack. It felt appropriate.
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I loved the ending it made sense he did wat he had to save his family he went out in cold blood but Jack does eventually get revenge

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[QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"][QUOTE="M3ran"]

@DJ_Magneto oh yes i did,and yes i killed the dude that killed my father :D and got the credit.

but that jack kid is a loser,dont you think?and yes his voice if awful,hehe

if john was the character from red dead revolver,then i think rockstar messed it up to kill him.

John is not the character from Red Dead Revolver. Rockstar has always made a point of that. Jack's voice doesn't bother me. I actually liked the character of Jack. The last Rancher missions, which were almost like the intro tutorial missions of Bonnie at the beginning of the game, were like advanced tutorials for Jack. John was teaching him to be a man. And when the shot pans back and you see Jack as an adult for the first time, it made those Rancher missions more poignant to me. It all made sense in the end, so it didn't bother me at all that we played as Jack. It felt appropriate.

Wow i never thought of that at first i thought those were just missions to lengthen the story a bit
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#8 M3ran
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i understand what you are talking about and i get your point,maybe rockstar wanted all the attension on the ending,good or bad as you said.

yeah you are correct about the thing you said about jack.but it seems that we waisted a lot of time becoming john,and all of a sudden we are jack,and where does that gonna take Rstar's red dead series to,i dont know.

another point i wanted to say was that why did the PS3 version had 1 more outfit than the xbox version?and can you really get 100% on that game if you dont have internet access?it seems impossible

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#9 M3ran
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you are right they where but there was just one other mission that you could have done to finish it up,and it was to get revenge.and i did,but right after that,i felt so what if i killed him.but hey atleast it felt good to kill him and get revenge.lol
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I loved how the ending unfolded. One of the most epic endings in a game in the past year or so. But yeah, I don't like Jack. His voice is too southern. Give him a raspy voice, and I'm good. That and his facial hair makes him look like Satan.
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#11 M3ran
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yeah i forgot about his facial hair,lol,i think that the next red dead game is gonna have this jak in it matured,but do we like that?and is he gonna die too and his son is gonna follow?as i said before the death of john bad for the series,and it was too early
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I'm kinda happy they killed John at the end. I mean I hate when I'm watching a movie or something and the hero always lives. It's so predictable. I think that's why I really like the ending of RDR. I really didn't see that coming.

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#13 M3ran
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I'm kinda happy they killed John at the end. I mean I hate when I'm watching a movie or something and the hero always lives. It's so predictable. I think that's why I really like the ending of RDR. I really didn't see that coming.

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that is true-but replace him with his son?thats a joke for kids.i think
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#14 DJ_Magneto
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yeah i forgot about his facial hair,lol,i think that the next red dead game is gonna have this jak in it matured,but do we like that?and is he gonna die too and his son is gonna follow?as i said before the death of john bad for the series,and it was too earlyM3ran
Think about how they handled the GTA series. The main character was never the same from game to game. And even in the GTA IV DLC / Episodes of Liberty City, even though the expansions took place during the same time as Niko's story, you played those as other characters from a different point of view of Liberty City. Stands to reason that if they create an "Episode of New Austin" so to speak, you would play as a different character. I was thinking one possibility may be a character from Mexico during the rebellion. With a few missions here or there that crosses paths with John's story. So no, they did not tie down the RDR series down because of the character of Jack. Rockstar has shown that they can easily establish other relatable protagonists within the same series.
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#15 DJ_Magneto
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[QUOTE="MrBubbles59"]

I'm kinda happy they killed John at the end. I mean I hate when I'm watching a movie or something and the hero always lives. It's so predictable. I think that's why I really like the ending of RDR. I really didn't see that coming.

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that is true-but replace him with his son?thats a joke for kids.i think

It's all about legacy. John's legacy. Everything he did in this game was for his family and redemption for the bad things that he did in his posse days. And everything he taught to Jack on those last Rancher missions were for Jack to carry on when he was gone. You don't see the appropriateness of that?
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The ending was pretty great and Rockstar surprised me with how far they could go with the presentation. Honestly, they really catered to the "games as art" perspective more than I thought. The story pacing was pretty good and the dead eye segment at the end actually made it feel much closer to a western film (and a really well done one at that). I can understand if people don't get why Rockstar threw in Dead Eye at the end, but if John Marston is going out without a fight (even though he is certain that he has to die, then he's not John Marston. I don't see anything wrong with him dying after redeeming himself. I thought it was a good idea to replace John with his son. He's kind of annoying mostly due to his voice acting, but as a character, he's not horrible. Plus, with an ending like that, keeping John alive for the sake of playing after the ending sounds wrong. And when you think about it, the ending is a downer ending in every way possible and is pretty damn appropriate for the context. John's entire mission revolved around redeeming himself and preventing his family from ever being involved with outlaws, crime, and violence. Then Jack ends up becoming the very thing John was trying to prevent him from being. Even though Jack can be a pretty good guy if the player chooses, one thing's for sure: Jack has undoubtedly contradicted his father's philosophy. Combine that with the death of the old west and there's absolutely no way RDR could have ended happily and I'm glad Rockstar had the balls to make it bittersweet. I don't expect Jack to return for a direct sequel. The timeline is moving towards the first World War and the old west starts dying out towards the 20s.
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i think it was a great story with a great ending
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#18 M3ran
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[QUOTE="M3ran"][QUOTE="MrBubbles59"]

I'm kinda happy they killed John at the end. I mean I hate when I'm watching a movie or something and the hero always lives. It's so predictable. I think that's why I really like the ending of RDR. I really didn't see that coming.

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that is true-but replace him with his son?thats a joke for kids.i think

It's all about legacy. John's legacy. Everything he did in this game was for his family and redemption for the bad things that he did in his posse days. And everything he taught to Jack on those last Rancher missions were for Jack to carry on when he was gone. You don't see the appropriateness of that?

yes i do the appropriateness of that,it showed that john was really a father more than the outlaw,and he really cared about his family,but we dont know halfthe story we started with the government wanting something from john and john did it for them,then at the last scene we go back to the government ment that kill john,so the game was started by force and basically had to end with force no ulturnative,but still we had choice of being good and have honor or the opposite of that,so tell me what is the meaning of that?that seems pointless to me,i just think its a bit dumb to make an outlaw , a father and kill him to make him a hero.its seems fair,but i dont like it.it messes with you,in a way.
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During the "Rancher" mission period, before you finish the final mission, did you ever just sit in the house and watch the family go about their business? It was cool. Everyone was in the house by night fall. The wife in the kitchen cooking something. Jack by the fireplace reading or playing the harmonica. Uncle, sitting at the table being his usual awnry self. Everyone in bed by around 10 I think. Then everyone was up around 6 AM and walked to whatever area they were meant to be to kick off their next mission. Uncle fixing the silo or in the barn, Jack shooting birds or sitting under a tree, the wife sweeping the porch. This also led me to believe that John would survive, because I wondered how they would "hide" or handle his family at the end of the game when all that was left was to free roam with John. I figured the family would go about their business at the ranch just like this. So when the ending went about the way that it did, it was even more jarring for me, but again, still appropriate IMO.
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[QUOTE="bulletsword"]The ending was pretty great and Rockstar surprised me with how far they could go with the presentation. Honestly, they really catered to the "games as art" perspective more than I thought. The story pacing was pretty good and the dead eye segment at the end actually made it feel much closer to a western film (and a really well done one at that). I can understand if people don't get why Rockstar threw in Dead Eye at the end, but if John Marston is going out without a fight (even though he is certain that he has to die, then he's not John Marston. I don't see anything wrong with him dying after redeeming himself. I thought it was a good idea to replace John with his son. He's kind of annoying mostly due to his voice acting, but as a character, he's not horrible. Plus, with an ending like that, keeping John alive for the sake of playing after the ending sounds wrong. And when you think about it, the ending is a downer ending in every way possible and is pretty damn appropriate for the context. John's entire mission revolved around redeeming himself and preventing his family from ever being involved with outlaws, crime, and violence. Then Jack ends up becoming the very thing John was trying to prevent him from being. Even though Jack can be a pretty good guy if the player chooses, one thing's for sure: Jack has undoubtedly contradicted his father's philosophy. Combine that with the death of the old west and there's absolutely no way RDR could have ended happily and I'm glad Rockstar had the balls to make it bittersweet. I don't expect Jack to return for a direct sequel. The timeline is moving towards the first World War and the old west starts dying out towards the 20s.

ok lets go back,think about it if we say john had to die then the story would have ended and there was no way the game could have continued to be played and would have stoped going on. as we know in GTA games after beating the game you should be able to play back and continiuing playing.this one sacrifices the main hero and shakes the ending and by force has to creat another charachter in order for the game to keep on going?so what then?i have to say it is a new kind of ending for sure.but what other choices did they have?after john gone?
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Well, I didn't like it. But I did like it. I mean I was sad and felt ugh. But I didn't expect it AT ALL. Which really shocked me, and I like being shocked... So, yeah. :P
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#22 M3ran
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[QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"]During the "Rancher" mission period, before you finish the final mission, did you ever just sit in the house and watch the family go about their business? It was cool. Everyone was in the house by night fall. The wife in the kitchen cooking something. Jack by the fireplace reading or playing the harmonica. Uncle, sitting at the table being his usual awnry self. Everyone in bed by around 10 I think. Then everyone was up around 6 AM and walked to whatever area they were meant to be to kick off their next mission. Uncle fixing the silo or in the barn, Jack shooting birds or sitting under a tree, the wife sweeping the porch. This also led me to believe that John would survive, because I wondered how they would "hide" or handle his family at the end of the game when all that was left was to free roam with John. I figured the family would go about their business at the ranch just like this. So when the ending went about the way that it did, it was even more jarring for me, but again, still appropriate IMO.

that is true,im with you on that,the whole game's point was that john went on the adventure to save his family and get his life back to normal but changing that in a second is annoying,i still think there should have been options for the players,for example in a duel you can just kill the guy or you can shoot his gun out of his hand and not kill the guy.that the options im talking about,they could have simply gave options to either kill the government's men and maybe loose a family member or simply kill him as they did.My opinion that is:D
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[QUOTE="M3ran"][QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"][QUOTE="M3ran"] that is true-but replace him with his son?thats a joke for kids.i think

It's all about legacy. John's legacy. Everything he did in this game was for his family and redemption for the bad things that he did in his posse days. And everything he taught to Jack on those last Rancher missions were for Jack to carry on when he was gone. You don't see the appropriateness of that?

yes i do the appropriateness of that,it showed that john was really a father more than the outlaw,and he really cared about his family,but we dont know halfthe story we started with the government wanting something from john and john did it for them,then at the last scene we go back to the government ment that kill john,so the game was started by force and basically had to end with force no ulturnative,but still we had choice of being good and have honor or the opposite of that,so tell me what is the meaning of that?that seems pointless to me,i just think its a bit dumb to make an outlaw , a father and kill him to make him a hero.its seems fair,but i dont like it.it messes with you,in a way.

Well in John's final mission, he didn't go out looking for trouble. Edgar Ross and his men came to John's home with one thing in mind and John was only defending himself and his family. He gave his life so his family could survive. And that makes him a hero to them. At the same time, it's atonement for the things that he was a part of when he was an outlaw in the posse and he understood that. Which is why I think he was so willing to give his life the way that he did. REDEMPTION.
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#24 M3ran
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[QUOTE="Wakanoid"]Well, I didn't like it. But I did like it. I mean I was sad and felt ugh. But I didn't expect it AT ALL. Which really shocked me, and I like being shocked... So, yeah. :P

yeah it was shocking for sure,but do you think they were right or did they have anyother choice,and was it right to kill him?
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#25 M3ran
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[QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"][QUOTE="M3ran"][QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"] It's all about legacy. John's legacy. Everything he did in this game was for his family and redemption for the bad things that he did in his posse days. And everything he taught to Jack on those last Rancher missions were for Jack to carry on when he was gone. You don't see the appropriateness of that?

yes i do the appropriateness of that,it showed that john was really a father more than the outlaw,and he really cared about his family,but we dont know halfthe story we started with the government wanting something from john and john did it for them,then at the last scene we go back to the government ment that kill john,so the game was started by force and basically had to end with force no ulturnative,but still we had choice of being good and have honor or the opposite of that,so tell me what is the meaning of that?that seems pointless to me,i just think its a bit dumb to make an outlaw , a father and kill him to make him a hero.its seems fair,but i dont like it.it messes with you,in a way.

Well in John's final mission, he didn't go out looking for trouble. Edgar Ross and his men came to John's home with one thing in mind and John was only defending himself and his family. He gave his life so his family could survive. And that makes him a hero to them. At the same time, it's atonement for the things that he was a part of when he was an outlaw in the posse and he understood that. Which is why I think he was so willing to give his life the way that he did. REDEMPTION.

yeah thats why it is called redemption,but them rockstar guys are just pushing it,they killed uncle so that we think john and family will survive,but they twisted it at the last minute,not just that they twisted it again by switching to the time zone after john's wife is dead too,and the story continues.most people seem to have enjoyed it. the problem is that they make a bond between the main character and you,so that you will like john ,you would get to know his voice,style face and so on,then by killing him,they create a chaos so that people would remember this game,thats a great way to make games sell,next victim is mario...:D
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[QUOTE="M3ran"][QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"][QUOTE="M3ran"] yes i do the appropriateness of that,it showed that john was really a father more than the outlaw,and he really cared about his family,but we dont know halfthe story we started with the government wanting something from john and john did it for them,then at the last scene we go back to the government ment that kill john,so the game was started by force and basically had to end with force no ulturnative,but still we had choice of being good and have honor or the opposite of that,so tell me what is the meaning of that?that seems pointless to me,i just think its a bit dumb to make an outlaw , a father and kill him to make him a hero.its seems fair,but i dont like it.it messes with you,in a way.

Well in John's final mission, he didn't go out looking for trouble. Edgar Ross and his men came to John's home with one thing in mind and John was only defending himself and his family. He gave his life so his family could survive. And that makes him a hero to them. At the same time, it's atonement for the things that he was a part of when he was an outlaw in the posse and he understood that. Which is why I think he was so willing to give his life the way that he did. REDEMPTION.

yeah thats why it is called redemption,but them rockstar guys are just pushing it,they killed uncle so that we think john and family will survive,but they twisted it at the last minute,not just that they twisted it again by switching to the time zone after john's wife is dead too,and the story continues.most people seem to have enjoyed it. the problem is that they make a bond between the main character and you,so that you will like john ,you would get to know his voice,style face and so on,then by killing him,they create a chaos so that people would remember this game,thats a great way to make games sell,next victim is mario...:D

Ok, last comment by me on this... You gave all the reasons at the end of your statement on why I like this ending so much. John is established as a likable guy. And of course you get used to his voice and appearance as you make your way through the whole game. And it would seem that everything is getting tied up nice and neat at the end and then they totally pull the rug from under you. Yes it's jarring. Especially if you liked John Marston. Look, we're still going back and forth on this. There are threads all over the net talking about this. It's certainly memorable whether you liked it or not. So for Rockstar, mission accomplished.
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I'd have preferred the game to end at the scene where you see Jack Marston standing in front of his parent's graves.

Playing as Jack Marston let the game down for me as he wasn't a likeable character. Far too annoying.

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[QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"][QUOTE="M3ran"][QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"] Well in John's final mission, he didn't go out looking for trouble. Edgar Ross and his men came to John's home with one thing in mind and John was only defending himself and his family. He gave his life so his family could survive. And that makes him a hero to them. At the same time, it's atonement for the things that he was a part of when he was an outlaw in the posse and he understood that. Which is why I think he was so willing to give his life the way that he did. REDEMPTION.

yeah thats why it is called redemption,but them rockstar guys are just pushing it,they killed uncle so that we think john and family will survive,but they twisted it at the last minute,not just that they twisted it again by switching to the time zone after john's wife is dead too,and the story continues.most people seem to have enjoyed it. the problem is that they make a bond between the main character and you,so that you will like john ,you would get to know his voice,style face and so on,then by killing him,they create a chaos so that people would remember this game,thats a great way to make games sell,next victim is mario...:D

Ok, last comment by me on this... You gave all the reasons at the end of your statement on why I like this ending so much. John is established as a likable guy. And of course you get used to his voice and appearance as you make your way through the whole game. And it would seem that everything is getting tied up nice and neat at the end and then they totally pull the rug from under you. Yes it's jarring. Especially if you liked John Marston. Look, we're still going back and forth on this. There are threads all over the net talking about this. It's certainly memorable whether you liked it or not. So for Rockstar, mission accomplished.

true true,i cant say anything on that,rockstar's mission done.:D thank you for the debate,i got to know alot more and i got to say what was on my mind:P,good luck and take care
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#29 M3ran
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I'd have preferred the game to end at the scene where you see Jack Marston standing in front of his parent's graves.

Playing as Jack Marston let the game down for me as he wasn't a likeable character. Far too annoying.

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i have to agree on that,but Rstar had to make the game go on after john's death ,so the best way was to make his son keep the game going.and yes that did let down the game.maybe that was part of the plan too,so that you keep on focusing on this matter so the chaos continiues on this subject.and more and more people wanting to finish the game and see what they missed:D
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#30 Logan1616
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I liked the ending personally. :)
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#31 gizmo12345
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Hey guys ,i just beaten the game to 89.5% complete and i somehow feel deperessed about the ending:(,IMO it could have been alot better,

what do you guys think.i mean its like seeing nico bellic die in the last mission or like seeing tommy vercetti killed in the last mission by other gangstas.dont you think?yea so what if his son is alive,we dont care about his son,yea they made him exactly the same as his dad to tell us that his legacy still lives on,but it just doesnt work for me.John marstone is the same character we played in Red dead revolver,red harlow i think or what ever,

the fact of the matter is that they made the ending so wrong.i mean people should end up being happy they played as John Marstone,but its the exact opposite.

the thing that annoyed me alot was the chance that the creators give you to use the Dead Eye.on all those people for no reason!what is wrong with you Rstar.

lets see what you think people.

M3ran
He isnt Red Harlow. That was confirmed very early on. And especially as the dlc includes Red Harlow as a completely separate character to pose as online.
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#32 M3ran
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[QUOTE="M3ran"]

Hey guys ,i just beaten the game to 89.5% complete and i somehow feel deperessed about the ending:(,IMO it could have been alot better,

what do you guys think.i mean its like seeing nico bellic die in the last mission or like seeing tommy vercetti killed in the last mission by other gangstas.dont you think?yea so what if his son is alive,we dont care about his son,yea they made him exactly the same as his dad to tell us that his legacy still lives on,but it just doesnt work for me.John marstone is the same character we played in Red dead revolver,red harlow i think or what ever,

the fact of the matter is that they made the ending so wrong.i mean people should end up being happy they played as John Marstone,but its the exact opposite.

the thing that annoyed me alot was the chance that the creators give you to use the Dead Eye.on all those people for no reason!what is wrong with you Rstar.

lets see what you think people.

gizmo12345
He isnt Red Harlow. That was confirmed very early on. And especially as the dlc includes Red Harlow as a completely separate character to pose as online.

oh really?great info on that ,thank you so much
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#33 Skargamer
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The more people talk about this game ending, the more I feel that R* got this completely right. What other game ending in recent memory has stirred up this much conversation and outcry of opinion: Good or Bad? It got people's emotions going. It got people talking. How many other games just go out on a wimper with the typical textbook ending that people expect? RDR's ending just came way out of left field, and if it wasn't spoiled for you, you had to have just sat there with your mouth open saying to yourself, "Did that just happen?" And the fact that they gave you an "opportunity" to Dead Eye as many people as you could to give you the ILLUSION that you could have actually stopped it made it that much more impactful on people's emotions. "Dang I could have stopped that from happening." How many people went back to play that final mission to see if they could have changed the outcome? DJ_Magneto
This here is the answer to all RDR ending questions. And yes I did actually go back to see if I could have changed the outcome. Wow, what an epic ending...
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#34 slick360ster
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John Marston is one of the best video game characters I can ever remember, because he was a total Bad @ss and because of what he stood for and against. Him dying was a fitting end after spending so much time looking for his redemption, and I think the game would have been pretty corny if eeryone ended up living happily ever after (whats the chances that after everything Marston did during the game nobody would come looking for him?)

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#35 Cloud567kar
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Why should EVERY game and movie have the same ending? Almost every one has a happy ending. RDR had one of the bettter endings i've seen in a video game.

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#36 lamech777
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[quote="DJ_Magneto"] The more people talk about this game ending, the more I feel that R* got this completely right. What other game ending in recent memory has stirred up this much conversation and outcry of opinion: Good or Bad? It got people's emotions going. It got people talking. How many other games just go out on a wimper with the typical textbook ending that people expect? RDR's ending just came way out of left field, and if it wasn't spoiled for you, you had to have just sat there with your mouth open saying to yourself, "Did that just happen?" And the fact that they gave you an "opportunity" to Dead Eye as many people as you could to give you the ILLUSION that you could have actually stopped it made it that much more impactful on people's emotions. "Dang I could have stopped that from happening." How many people went back to play that final mission to see if they could have changed the outcome? Skargamer
This here is the answer to all RDR ending questions. And yes I did actually go back to see if I could have changed the outcome. Wow, what an epic ending...

I actually played thru RDR twice. The second time I completed all but the final Jack mission. I can't bring myself to walk over to that barn! Also, about the Jack hating: I think that Jack is seen negatively because there's no development time for his character. We spend the entire game building up & getting to know Marston & then suddenly he's gone & we have Jack just thrown at us like "ok, here u go". Had Marston been killed earlier in the game so more time could have been given to warm up to Jack's character, maybe he would be more popular.

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#37 Major_9000
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I don't mean to resurrect this thread but that was one kick ass ending...the very definition of epic, a beautiful game.

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#38 Agent-Zero
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I have explained this in the 1000 other threads when the game was newer. And it's too complicated for me too type out again. The ending was great. It just went over your head.
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#39 H-Revolver
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It was actually one of the best endings in recent games. It showed that how much John Marston cared for his family and sacrificed his life in order to protect them. Ross was true when he told John that he can't just runaway from his old life like that and start over. Another strong point in the ending was how hard John and Abigail tried to provide an honest life for their son Jack but ultimately failed since Ross's actions affected Jack and led him to the life of crime, It's truly a wild west in RDR. Thats why the ending was epic to me. I really cared for the characters.
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#40 EvilSelf
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Somebody mentioned that having so many topics on RDR's ending is exactly R* were wanting for this game. I have to agree that i really liked the ending which according to me was epic. Not many games out there can create this feeling of loss and care while engaging you more and more into the storyline and gameplay. The only other masterpieces that i have played and are similar are ME series, BioShock and Dead Space.

I also have this feeling that we should have more and more games that the do not finish on a good terms. Kind of like take out the gappy cheesy ending for once...This is why games like ME are appealing, because you can actually make the endinf the way you want it to be...