This was expected eventually:(

PGR4 DEVS HAVING TROUBLE FITTING GAME ON DVD9! PGR4 devs are having trouble fitting all the track data on a dual layer DVD. I always wondered why MS never used Blu-ray or HD-DVD for games DVD9 is going to show its limits very soon. I knew it would happen eventually. ANd yes MS can use Blu-ray because Sony doesnt own it, they just support it.

I mean what are games like Fable 2 and Fallout 3 going to be like if they wont fit on a DVD and then corners have to be cut. This is why Fable the original lost a lot of content cause Moyneux wanted to do things on a huge scale but DVD was limiting. They have found a work around but at what cost? Will physics and Graphics be crippled because of Disc space?

Whats Gears 2 gonna be like? And this is exactly why the first Gears was so short, disc space matters, and I dont feel like being nickled and dimed by MS if in the future we have to download extra content that the PS3 gets on the disc because of space limitations that DVD9 has.

Whta do you guys think? I think MS should have thought about the future and not rushed the 360 just to get a head start.

PGR4 DEVS HAVING TROUBLE FITTING GAME ON DVD9! PGR4 devs are having trouble fitting all the track data on a dual layer DVD. I always wondered why MS never used Blu-ray or HD-DVD for games DVD9 is going to show its limits very soon. I knew it would happen eventually. ANd yes MS can use Blu-ray because Sony doesnt own it, they just support it.

I mean what are games like Fable 2 and Fallout 3 going to be like if they wont fit on a DVD and then corners have to be cut. This is why Fable the original lost a lot of content cause Moyneux wanted to do things on a huge scale but DVD was limiting. They have found a work around but at what cost? Will physics and Graphics be crippled because of Disc space?

Whats Gears 2 gonna be like? And this is exactly why the first Gears was so short, disc space matters, and I dont feel like being nickled and dimed by MS if in the future we have to download extra content that the PS3 gets on the disc because of space limitations that DVD9 has.

Whta do you guys think? I think MS should have thought about the future and not rushed the 360 just to get a head start.

RabbidDawg

Yes Sony owns Blu-Ray

[QUOTE="RabbidDawg"]

PGR4 DEVS HAVING TROUBLE FITTING GAME ON DVD9! PGR4 devs are having trouble fitting all the track data on a dual layer DVD. I always wondered why MS never used Blu-ray or HD-DVD for games DVD9 is going to show its limits very soon. I knew it would happen eventually. ANd yes MS can use Blu-ray because Sony doesnt own it, they just support it.

I mean what are games like Fable 2 and Fallout 3 going to be like if they wont fit on a DVD and then corners have to be cut. This is why Fable the original lost a lot of content cause Moyneux wanted to do things on a huge scale but DVD was limiting. They have found a work around but at what cost? Will physics and Graphics be crippled because of Disc space?

Whats Gears 2 gonna be like? And this is exactly why the first Gears was so short, disc space matters, and I dont feel like being nickled and dimed by MS if in the future we have to download extra content that the PS3 gets on the disc because of space limitations that DVD9 has.

Whta do you guys think? I think MS should have thought about the future and not rushed the 360 just to get a head start.

Relived

Yes Sony owns Blu-Ray

Umm, no. Sony does NOT own Blu Ray. They are a heavy backer/investor of Blu Ray, but they do not own it.

...if it can't fit on one disk...put it on multiple disks... where's the problem in that? By the way... what is PGR4? EnigmaticBeauty

"So we've worked around the problem by providing different lighting models per city."

I have no idea why they want to make different textures for the day/night levels of the maps. Hello, there are some amazing things you can do with lighting. Now this is all you are going to hear in SW.

"So we've worked around the problem by providing different lighting models per city."

I have no idea why they want to make different textures for the day/night levels of the maps. Hello, there are some amazing things you can do with lighting. Now this is all you are going to hear in SW.

limpbizkit818

My guess is that using different textures for each map probably looks better. Changing the lighting alone tends to give them a more generic look.

Game development is all about compromise. Even on a Blu-Ray disc.

Personally, if MS had put an HD-DVD drive in the 360 and charged $499-599 for it, I would still not have a 360 because that's just too much for a game system IMO. So if this is consequence ....... I can live with that.

They can just put the game on multiple discs. Its not even an issue.kevy619

It becomes an issue with racing games. :(

Oh no!!! I can't drive through Macau during the night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The horror!!!! :| Big deal....Funkdaddy13

I agree, games in the past have come on multiple discs so whats the problem? look at resident evil, it had mutiple cds, so did gran turismo, so its no big deal.IM_NO_NOOB

Agreed. Nothing's wrong with putting a game on mulitiple disks. Like FF7,FF8, and FF9 came on four disks. Shenmue for the Dreamcast had four disks. So I don't see a problem with multiple disks. Like if they need about two or three for the main story campaign and one disk for online play then it will all still be good. In my opinion.

[QUOTE="kevy619"]They can just put the game on multiple discs. Its not even an issue.PikaPichu

It becomes an issue with racing games. :(

How, the old Gran Turismo games were on multiple discs...

I agree MS made a huge mistake with not having an HD optical drive and a HDD on every system...why they took a step back and offered a console with out an HDD kills me since every Xbox 1 had it and developers and gamers loved it...

In two years time it is LIVE that is only going to keep this system alive...

They should put like the single player or w/e on 1 disc, and the mp component on another, that should save alot of space.

[QUOTE="PikaPichu"]

[QUOTE="kevy619"]They can just put the game on multiple discs. Its not even an issue.kevy619

It becomes an issue with racing games. :(

How, the old Gran Turismo games were on multiple discs...

i thought that was because on one disc it was arcade and the other was the actual career mode

"So we've worked around the problem by providing different lighting models per city."

I have no idea why they want to make different textures for the day/night levels of the maps. Hello, there are some amazing things you can do with lighting. Now this is all you are going to hear in SW.

limpbizkit818

[QUOTE="Relived"][QUOTE="RabbidDawg"]

PGR4 DEVS HAVING TROUBLE FITTING GAME ON DVD9! PGR4 devs are having trouble fitting all the track data on a dual layer DVD. I always wondered why MS never used Blu-ray or HD-DVD for games DVD9 is going to show its limits very soon. I knew it would happen eventually. ANd yes MS can use Blu-ray because Sony doesnt own it, they just support it.

I mean what are games like Fable 2 and Fallout 3 going to be like if they wont fit on a DVD and then corners have to be cut. This is why Fable the original lost a lot of content cause Moyneux wanted to do things on a huge scale but DVD was limiting. They have found a work around but at what cost? Will physics and Graphics be crippled because of Disc space?

Whats Gears 2 gonna be like? And this is exactly why the first Gears was so short, disc space matters, and I dont feel like being nickled and dimed by MS if in the future we have to download extra content that the PS3 gets on the disc because of space limitations that DVD9 has.

Whta do you guys think? I think MS should have thought about the future and not rushed the 360 just to get a head start.

nyc05

Yes Sony owns Blu-Ray

Umm, no. Sony does NOT own Blu Ray. They are a heavy backer/investor of Blu Ray, but they do not own it.

Exactly, i wonder why everyone thinks they own blu-ray. THey just put ALOT of money into the sucess of blu-ray.

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

"So we've worked around the problem by providing different lighting models per city."

I have no idea why they want to make different textures for the day/night levels of the maps. Hello, there are some amazing things you can do with lighting. Now this is all you are going to hear in SW.

PikaPichu

My guess is that using different textures for each map probably looks better. Changing the lighting alone tends to give them a more generic look.

[QUOTE="PikaPichu"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

"So we've worked around the problem by providing different lighting models per city."

I have no idea why they want to make different textures for the day/night levels of the maps. Hello, there are some amazing things you can do with lighting. Now this is all you are going to hear in SW.

limpbizkit818

My guess is that using different textures for each map probably looks better. Changing the lighting alone tends to give them a more generic look.

Yeah, that was my first thought about it too. If the multiple versions of levels are not hard for them to do (which supposedly the dev said it wasn't a problem) why not ship the game without as many night levels and then come out with a Night level pack? Seriously...

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

"So we've worked around the problem by providing different lighting models per city."

I have no idea why they want to make different textures for the day/night levels of the maps. Hello, there are some amazing things you can do with lighting. Now this is all you are going to hear in SW.

Funkdaddy13

Sony owns the logo, but, like CD and SACD, it was developed with Philips.

Enough of who owns what.

They should put like the single player or w/e on 1 disc, and the mp component on another, that should save alot of space.

crazymunda6

[QUOTE="Relived"][QUOTE="RabbidDawg"]

PGR4 DEVS HAVING TROUBLE FITTING GAME ON DVD9! PGR4 devs are having trouble fitting all the track data on a dual layer DVD. I always wondered why MS never used Blu-ray or HD-DVD for games DVD9 is going to show its limits very soon. I knew it would happen eventually. ANd yes MS can use Blu-ray because Sony doesnt own it, they just support it.

I mean what are games like Fable 2 and Fallout 3 going to be like if they wont fit on a DVD and then corners have to be cut. This is why Fable the original lost a lot of content cause Moyneux wanted to do things on a huge scale but DVD was limiting. They have found a work around but at what cost? Will physics and Graphics be crippled because of Disc space?

Whats Gears 2 gonna be like? And this is exactly why the first Gears was so short, disc space matters, and I dont feel like being nickled and dimed by MS if in the future we have to download extra content that the PS3 gets on the disc because of space limitations that DVD9 has.

Whta do you guys think? I think MS should have thought about the future and not rushed the 360 just to get a head start.

nyc05

Yes Sony owns Blu-Ray

Umm, no. Sony does NOT own Blu Ray. They are a heavy backer/investor of Blu Ray, but they do not own it.

they do own the rights to the technology, so basicly it is theres.

[QUOTE="nyc05"][QUOTE="Relived"][QUOTE="RabbidDawg"]

PGR4 DEVS HAVING TROUBLE FITTING GAME ON DVD9! PGR4 devs are having trouble fitting all the track data on a dual layer DVD. I always wondered why MS never used Blu-ray or HD-DVD for games DVD9 is going to show its limits very soon. I knew it would happen eventually. ANd yes MS can use Blu-ray because Sony doesnt own it, they just support it.

I mean what are games like Fable 2 and Fallout 3 going to be like if they wont fit on a DVD and then corners have to be cut. This is why Fable the original lost a lot of content cause Moyneux wanted to do things on a huge scale but DVD was limiting. They have found a work around but at what cost? Will physics and Graphics be crippled because of Disc space?

Whats Gears 2 gonna be like? And this is exactly why the first Gears was so short, disc space matters, and I dont feel like being nickled and dimed by MS if in the future we have to download extra content that the PS3 gets on the disc because of space limitations that DVD9 has.

Whta do you guys think? I think MS should have thought about the future and not rushed the 360 just to get a head start.

wreak

Yes Sony owns Blu-Ray

Umm, no. Sony does NOT own Blu Ray. They are a heavy backer/investor of Blu Ray, but they do not own it.

they do own the rights to the technology, so basicly it is theres.

[QUOTE="nyc05"][QUOTE="Relived"][QUOTE="RabbidDawg"]

PGR4 DEVS HAVING TROUBLE FITTING GAME ON DVD9! PGR4 devs are having trouble fitting all the track data on a dual layer DVD. I always wondered why MS never used Blu-ray or HD-DVD for games DVD9 is going to show its limits very soon. I knew it would happen eventually. ANd yes MS can use Blu-ray because Sony doesnt own it, they just support it.

I mean what are games like Fable 2 and Fallout 3 going to be like if they wont fit on a DVD and then corners have to be cut. This is why Fable the original lost a lot of content cause Moyneux wanted to do things on a huge scale but DVD was limiting. They have found a work around but at what cost? Will physics and Graphics be crippled because of Disc space?

Whats Gears 2 gonna be like? And this is exactly why the first Gears was so short, disc space matters, and I dont feel like being nickled and dimed by MS if in the future we have to download extra content that the PS3 gets on the disc because of space limitations that DVD9 has.

Whta do you guys think? I think MS should have thought about the future and not rushed the 360 just to get a head start.

wreak

Yes Sony owns Blu-Ray

Umm, no. Sony does NOT own Blu Ray. They are a heavy backer/investor of Blu Ray, but they do not own it.

they do own the rights to the technology, so basicly it is theres.

Just because you have the rights does not mean that the creator cannot sell rights to anyone else. UNLESS the creator was DUMB enough to do an exclusive. But that is not the case. There are BRD movies and not all are Sony Pictures. In other words they do not OWN it.

Why you would suggest BRDs I don't know. The 360 is not compatible due to disc drives. Unless you want to buy a $200-$300 add on. In other words. Installing is the future. It will help load times. The problem is it will take you space on your HDD.

[QUOTE="RabbidDawg"]

PGR4 DEVS HAVING TROUBLE FITTING GAME ON DVD9! PGR4 devs are having trouble fitting all the track data on a dual layer DVD. I always wondered why MS never used Blu-ray or HD-DVD for games DVD9 is going to show its limits very soon. I knew it would happen eventually. ANd yes MS can use Blu-ray because Sony doesnt own it, they just support it.

I mean what are games like Fable 2 and Fallout 3 going to be like if they wont fit on a DVD and then corners have to be cut. This is why Fable the original lost a lot of content cause Moyneux wanted to do things on a huge scale but DVD was limiting. They have found a work around but at what cost? Will physics and Graphics be crippled because of Disc space?

Whats Gears 2 gonna be like? And this is exactly why the first Gears was so short, disc space matters, and I dont feel like being nickled and dimed by MS if in the future we have to download extra content that the PS3 gets on the disc because of space limitations that DVD9 has.

Whta do you guys think? I think MS should have thought about the future and not rushed the 360 just to get a head start.

Relived

Yes Sony owns Blu-Ray