Was Halo 3 the Halo Killer

Some people think GOW is the Halo killer.For me that is the case.I would far rather play it than Halo 3 but that's just me.Other say COD4 was a Halo killer because of its multiplayer.Not for me however because I do not like multiplayer that much.So it dose not effect my decision that much when I decide if one game is better than another.Bioshock was a FPS killer for me.It is the best FPS experience I have had.That's just where different tastes come in.

Now Even if those games did not kill (Out do Halo for the FPS on 360) on there own.I think Halo 3s lack luster outcome and baby step from Halo 2 to 3 may have killed its self.I've already sold all my Halo games but I still have GOW and Bioshock.My excitement for those games to have a sequel far out-way my need for another rehashing of the halo franchise.There for I believe it has died on its own.With other games offering new adventures and game play Halo has just grown old.

So long master Chief...We hardly knew ye.:cry:

Added to post after reading some replies.

I gave Halo 3 an 8.0,Halo 2 a 9.0 and Halo an 8.5.By no means bad ratings it IS a good series.I'm not saying it's bad.

My idea behind this post is a yes or no question.Was Halo 3 the Halo killer.My thought being that it's hard to make three games and keep it fresh.It's hard to improve on something so well made.There for will making a series with any game always cause that series to simply grow old in the short attention span world we live in?

To this question my answer was yes and I said why.Just my opinion not the word of GOD.

Now you can answer yes or no and tell me what you think.It's just a discussion not an argument.

Exactly. But the problem is you have those people (i..e. what we like to call Fanboys) out there who are extremely loyal to the franchise and who will continue to buy up anything Halo regardless of what subtle changes the developer makes game to game and effectively keep the Halo franchise alive.YourLastDay86

That is true.I do not want to come off as if it should sease to be.I just think it is no longer the end all be all of FPS on the 360.Hay if you like it!Play it!I hope they make more for you.The over all Halo mystique is what is gone.

...continue to buy up anything Halo regardless of what subtle changes the developer makes game to game and effectively keep the Halo franchise alive.YourLastDay86

I imagine the gameplay changes between Halo 3 and Halo Wars will be very subtle, probably even less noticeable than 2 to 3.

[QUOTE="YourLastDay86"]...continue to buy up anything Halo regardless of what subtle changes the developer makes game to game and effectively keep the Halo franchise alive.Palantas

I imagine the gameplay changes between Halo 3 and Halo Wars will be very subtle, probably even less noticeable than 2 to 3.

I see what you are say'n but I think he ment any more FPS.I know Halo Wars will be its own animal and that's cool.Unfortunately I'm no good at RTS.:(

I see what you are say'n but I think he ment any more FPS.I know Halo Wars will be its on animal and that's cool.Unfortunately I'm no good at RTS.:(Peter_Cheek

I'm sure that is what he meant, although he did reference Bungie's attempts to keep the Halo franchise alive, which of course is Halo Wars. Halo Wars is a completely different genre from the last outing in the Halo universe...which is my entire point.

I'm not sure, but I actually think that Gears of War is more gratifying than Halo 3. Nonetheless, I'm not sure. However, Halo 3 is more epic, if you ask me.

a "halo killer" is not really about the quality of the product, its about the press that game gets, and no game will ever recieve the same success as halo did.feel_freetwo

I agree. "Halo killer" huh... Anyone remember the terms "Doom clone" and "Quake killer" back in the day?

halo is a casual fps supported by microsoft's vast wealth and constant milking of the francise.feel_freetwo

"Constant milking of the franchise"? Want to explain that one?

I HATE when people create threads to give reasons why Halo is bad and go on to state what games they think are better. Just because you believe that Gears, or COD4, is a better game, that makes Halo bad?... why? And the only other argument that you give is that it's not an improvement over 2, which I think is just plain dumb... Forge, Theatre, a new campaign, new map and new weapons for multiplayer justify a sequel for any other game, but because it's HALO it needs to have more? Stop holding Halo to such an impossible standard and enjoy what is a great game, or don't, just stop complaining about it.

For the record... I also think Gears and COD4 are amazing games. I do not think any of the 3 are truly better than one another, so the fanboy argument isn't going to work on me.

gears of war and cod4 are the halo killers now...totaldj

Everyone on this thread has had a lot to say, though I knew it wouldn't be long before someone popped in to drop a one-liner. Gears of War came out before Halo 3, so describing it as a Halo killler is problematic at best. Has Gears seen a resurgence in popularity relative to Halo 3 since September of last year?

[QUOTE="YourLastDay86"]...continue to buy up anything Halo regardless of what subtle changes the developer makes game to game and effectively keep the Halo franchise alive.Palantas

I imagine the gameplay changes between Halo 3 and Halo Wars will be very subtle, probably even less noticeable than 2 to 3.

Correct me if im wrong, isnt one an rts...and one an fps - i think thats more than subtle.

[QUOTE="Palantas"] I imagine the gameplay changes between Halo 3 and Halo Wars will be very subtle, probably even less noticeable than 2 to 3.kenz

Correct me if im wrong, isnt one an rts...and one an fps - i think thats more than subtle.

I guess sarcasm isn't your thing. English as a second language, maybe? Thorough forum surfing doesn't seem to be your forte either, since right after this, I go on to say:

I'm sure that is what he meant, although he did reference Bungie's attempts to keep the Halo franchise alive, which of course is Halo Wars. Halo Wars is a completely different genre from the last outing in the Halo universe...which is my entire point.I

...the fanboy argument...IAvDI

It's a stupid argument. If someone drops in a Halo 3 versus whatever argument saying, "halo 3z da s***! u dun liek it, u suck!!", then they're not a fanboy, they're a moron. Calling them a fanboy is incidental.

If someone makes a coherent argument supporting Halo 3, and you call him a fanboy, then you're just using an ad hominem attack. Any intelligent person is going to recognize and expose this cheap tactic.

[QUOTE="IAvDI"]...the fanboy argument...Palantas

It's a stupid argument. If someone drops in a Halo 3 versus whatever argument saying, "halo 3z da s***! u dun liek it, u suck!!", then they're not a fanboy, they're a moron. Calling them a fanboy is incidental.

If someone makes a coherent argument supporting Halo 3, and you call him a fanboy, then you're just using an ad hominem attack. Any intelligent person is going to recognize and expose this cheap tactic.

fanboy cod 4 kills haloooo

you cant say "its a halo killer for me". thats like sayying "for me, england won the last world cup".....which is wrong. either it kills halo or it doesnt, and nothing has. halo is a casual dream. i could rant for ages over why gears of war is a better designed game or why team fortress is more fun. the fact of the matter is halo is a casual fps supported by microsoft's vast wealth and constant milking of the francise. a "halo killer" is not really about the quality of the product, its about the press that game gets, and no game will ever recieve the same success as halo did. as for "halo 3 being a halo killer".....halo 3 still to this day has a millions of people play it every single day. it may not be that different from halo 2, but it perfects the formula. and whats wrong with that, bioshock is nothing more then system shock 2 in a under water city? call of duty 4 is pretty new admittedly, but call of duty 2 and 3 were basic repeats and perfections.feel_freetwo

Yes I can say "It's a Halo killer for me".That's my opinion.I CAN'T however say that if you disagree you are wrong because that's your opinion.Also (in my opinion) the millions that play a day as you say play multiplayer.Halo has the best playing multiplayer (in my opinion).It's very smooth and well set up.I'm just not big on multiplayer.The first Halo was epic at the time (loved the CO-OP)and lets face it the first XBox had to push it.It was the best thay had to offer.Now 360 has more options because of its game library and yes (in my opinion) there are far better games to push.

[QUOTE="IAvDI"]...the fanboy argument...Palantas

It's a stupid argument. If someone drops in a Halo 3 versus whatever argument saying, "halo 3z da s***! u dun liek it, u suck!!", then they're not a fanboy, they're a moron. Calling them a fanboy is incidental.

If someone makes a coherent argument supporting Halo 3, and you call him a fanboy, then you're just using an ad hominem attack. Any intelligent person is going to recognize and expose this cheap tactic.

Agreed... but you can't enter a thread on gamespot debating the superiority of a game without someone saying, as you put it, "Halo 3z da s***! u dun liek it, u suck!!" (although I am seeing a lot more of that for COD4 these days). Sometimes I don't even know why I bother to give logical arguments anymore.

Exactly. But the problem is you have those people (i..e. what we like to call Fanboys) out there who are extremely loyal to the franchise and who will continue to buy up anything Halo regardless of what subtle changes the developer makes game to game and effectively keep the Halo franchise alive.YourLastDay86

I HATE when people create threads to give reasons why Halo is bad and go on to state what games they think are better. Just because you believe that Gears, or COD4, is a better game, that makes Halo bad?... why? And the only other argument that you give is that it's not an improvement over 2, which I think is just plain dumb... Forge, Theatre, a new campaign, new map and new weapons for multiplayer justify a sequel for any other game, but because it's HALO it needs to have more? Stop holding Halo to such an impossible standard and enjoy what is a great game, or don't, just stop complaining about it.

For the record... I also think Gears and COD4 are amazing games. I do not think any of the 3 are truly better than one another, so the fanboy argument isn't going to work on me.

IAvDI

I never said Halo 3 was bad.Never!I owned it.I played it.I even played multiplayer for a wile.Even though I do not like multiplayer.Check the score I gave it.Yes there are things I didn't like about it.I also did not care for COD4 check its score.The point of this topic was not to bash Halo.It was to state my idea that Halo has just gotten old.Been there done that sort of thing and if anyone agreed.I see that you do not and that's fine.It's just how it seams to me.We all are not going to like the same things.I know that.

Nah, still love Halo.joshim982003

...and thats OK :)

I dont think there was anything wrong with Halo

I thought it was a great game

but i also thought Gears and COD4 was great

why not stop moaning and just play them, there all **** awesomeee

lol

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="IAvDI"]...the fanboy argument...IAvDI

It's a stupid argument. If someone drops in a Halo 3 versus whatever argument saying, "halo 3z da s***! u dun liek it, u suck!!", then they're not a fanboy, they're a moron. Calling them a fanboy is incidental.

If someone makes a coherent argument supporting Halo 3, and you call him a fanboy, then you're just using an ad hominem attack. Any intelligent person is going to recognize and expose this cheap tactic.

Agreed... but you can't enter a thread on gamespot debating the superiority of a game without someone saying, as you put it, "Halo 3z da s***! u dun liek it, u suck!!" (although I am seeing a lot more of that for COD4 these days). Sometimes I don't even know why I bother to give logical arguments anymore.

Yup, you're right. One of them showed up. I'm not going to name this person, but he looks like Sonic the Hedgehog. However, I think this thread's been largely cogent so far.

Personal preferences aside, the truth is in the numbers. Halo 3 broke records. Research it and see the implications it had on the gaming industry.

The fact that I see so many threads like this one, shows me how many people use Halo 3 (or the rest of the Halo franchise) as the standard by which other games are judged.

Quite frankly, I'm tired of seeing threads like this.

honestly, my halo killer was bioshock.

thankss.

honestly, my halo killer was bioshock.

thankss.

destinhpark

Now, this one I don't really get. What defines long-term popularity for a game is multiplayer. Bioshock has no multiplayer. So what are you saying? That you left the Halo 3 campaign unfinished to beat Bioshock? Or if you did beat Halo 3, and were pretty much done with it...then what, you liked Bioshock better? Well, I like Halo better than Unreal, but I don't describe it as an "Unreal killer."

Some people think GOW is the Halo killer.For me that is the case.I would far rather play it than Halo 3 but that's just me.Other say COD4 was a Halo killer because of its multiplayer.Not for me however because I do not like multiplayer that much.So it dose not effect my decision that much when I decide if one game is better than another.Bioshock was a FPS killer for me.It is the best FPS experience I have had.That's just where different tastes come in.

Now Even if those games did not kill (Out do Halo for the FPS on 360) on there own.I think Halo 3s lack luster outcome and baby step from Halo 2 to 3 may have killed its self.I've already sold all my Halo games but I still have GOW and Bioshock.My excitement for those games to have a sequel far out-way my need for another rehashing of the halo franchise.There for I believe it has died on its own.With other games offering new adventures and game play Halo has just grown old.

So long master Chief...We hardly knew ye.:cry:

Added to post after reading some replies.

I gave Halo 3 an 8.0,Halo 2 a 9.0 and Halo an 8.5.By no means bad ratings it IS a good series.I'm not saying it's bad.

My idea behind this post is a yes or no question.Was Halo 3 the Halo killer.My thought being that it's hard to make three games and keep it fresh.It's hard to improve on something so well made.There for will making a series with any game always cause that series to simply grow old in the short attention span world we live in?

To this question my answer was yes and I said why.Just my opinion not the word of GOD.

Now you can answer yes or no and tell me what you think.It's just a discussion not an argument.

Peter_Cheek

I felt like I needed to add to my initial posting so here is the updated entry

[QUOTE="destinhpark"]

honestly, my halo killer was bioshock.

thankss.

Palantas

Now, this one I don't really get. What defines long-term popularity for a game is multiplayer. Bioshock has no multiplayer. So what are you saying? That you left the Halo 3 campaign unfinished to beat Bioshock? Or if you did beat Halo 3, and were pretty much done with it...then what, you liked Bioshock better? Well, I like Halo better than Unreal, but I don't describe it as an "Unreal killer."

I am simply saying, if you must interrogate me, I enjoyed Bioshock's campaign, story, and gameplay more than Halo 3's. I am not bashing Halo 3. I do enjoy a match of Halo 3 online with some buds from time to time. But still, if I had to pick, I would pick bioshock.

Good enough? Gooood.

yea halo 3 sucks and everyone knows it. It's just a matter of how much they want to admit it to others, or better yet, themselves.mohfrontline

I was just on another thread, ripping on someone for hopping in a conversation, making a controversial statement, and offering absolutely nothing to back it up. Here, I'll do it: "Halo 3 is not only a great game, but the best piece of art, literature, or science ever created. Halo 3 mows yours lawn, doubles your lifespan, and protects the Earth from errant comets."

Okay, you think Halo 3 sucks. Good for you; you can express yourself. If you want to convince others of your position, it's good to, you know, construct some sort of line of reasoning suggesting your view is valid. That would go something like this: "A good shooter game includes elements X, Y, and Z. Halo 3 is missing one of more of them. Therefore, Halo 3 is a s***ty game." See, that would be like, an argument.

[QUOTE="destinhpark"]

honestly, my halo killer was bioshock.

thankss.

Palantas

Now, this one I don't really get. What defines long-term popularity for a game is multiplayer. Bioshock has no multiplayer. So what are you saying? That you left the Halo 3 campaign unfinished to beat Bioshock? Or if you did beat Halo 3, and were pretty much done with it...then what, you liked Bioshock better? Well, I like Halo better than Unreal, but I don't describe it as an "Unreal killer."

Bioshock killed a lot of games for me.The other games just were not as fun to play after playing thru it.It was such a cool experience.I know I've said this a lot but multiplayer means nothing to me.

He can call it what he wants.It's his opinion.

I am simply saying, if you must interrogate me, I enjoyed Bioshock's campaign, story, and gameplay more than Halo 3's. I am not bashing Halo 3. I do enjoy a match of Halo 3 online with some buds from time to time. But still, if I had to pick, I would pick bioshock.

Good enough? Gooood.destinhpark

Is it good enough now? Good enough for me? Since you ask, yeah, your statements are "good enough" now; this is what you should have said in the first place. Your preference for Bioshock's storytelling is understandable, and generally shared in the gaming community. Your initial description of Bioshock as a "Halo killer" is sophomoric, and a misuse of the term. Forutunately, we were able to eliminate this confusion through the use of interrogation. The Bush administration is proud.

I HATE when people create threads to give reasons why Halo is bad and go on to state what games they think are better. Just because you believe that Gears, or COD4, is a better game, that makes Halo bad?... why? And the only other argument that you give is that it's not an improvement over 2, which I think is just plain dumb... Forge, Theatre, a new campaign, new map and new weapons for multiplayer justify a sequel for any other game, but because it's HALO it needs to have more? Stop holding Halo to such an impossible standard and enjoy what is a great game, or don't, just stop complaining about it.

For the record... I also think Gears and COD4 are amazing games. I do not think any of the 3 are truly better than one another, so the fanboy argument isn't going to work on me.

IAvDI

what he said.

[QUOTE="Palantas"][QUOTE="destinhpark"]

honestly, my halo killer was bioshock.

thankss.

Peter_Cheek

Now, this one I don't really get. What defines long-term popularity for a game is multiplayer. Bioshock has no multiplayer. So what are you saying? That you left the Halo 3 campaign unfinished to beat Bioshock? Or if you did beat Halo 3, and were pretty much done with it...then what, you liked Bioshock better? Well, I like Halo better than Unreal, but I don't describe it as an "Unreal killer."

Bioshock killed a lot of games for me.The other games just were not as fun to play after playing thru it.It was such a cool experience.I know I've said this a lot but multiplayer means nothing to me.

He can call it what he wants.It's his opinion.

I can call Gears of War an RPG. That'd be my opinion. My opinion would be pretty freaking stupid.

But I don't have a big problem with his opinion. I wasn't objecting to his liking Bioshock better than Halo 3. I'm objecting to describing Bioshock as a "Halo killer." A Halo killer would be a game that came to supplant Halo's popularity in the gaming public. Back in the day, every new game was advertised as a Quake killer. You can debate about what that might have been, but it sure as h*** wasn't Deus Ex.

.....no, because it wasn't on a sony system

Personal preferences aside, the truth is in the numbers. Halo 3 broke records. Research it and see the implications it had on the gaming industry.

The fact that I see so many threads like this one, shows me how many people use Halo 3 (or the rest of the Halo franchise) as the standard by which other games are judged.

Quite frankly, I'm tired of seeing threads like this.

Legendary_Ross

Excellent point. The sheer fact that people view it as something that needs to be killed says something about it.

[QUOTE="Peter_Cheek"][QUOTE="Palantas"][QUOTE="destinhpark"]

honestly, my halo killer was bioshock.

thankss.

Palantas

Now, this one I don't really get. What defines long-term popularity for a game is multiplayer. Bioshock has no multiplayer. So what are you saying? That you left the Halo 3 campaign unfinished to beat Bioshock? Or if you did beat Halo 3, and were pretty much done with it...then what, you liked Bioshock better? Well, I like Halo better than Unreal, but I don't describe it as an "Unreal killer."

Bioshock killed a lot of games for me.The other games just were not as fun to play after playing thru it.It was such a cool experience.I know I've said this a lot but multiplayer means nothing to me.

He can call it what he wants.It's his opinion.

I can call Gears of War an RPG. That'd be my opinion. My opinion would be pretty freaking stupid.

But I don't have a big problem with his opinion. I wasn't objecting to his liking Bioshock better than Halo 3. I'm objecting to describing Bioshock as a "Halo killer." A Halo killer would be a game that came to supplant Halo's popularity in the gaming public. Back in the day, every new game was advertised as a Quake killer. You can debate about what that might have been, but it sure as h*** wasn't Deus Ex.

He said "my Halo killer".Bioshock came to supplant Halo's popularity in what he likes to play.If we truly went by the gaming public Mario would take a pipe wrench to master chiefs head.

He said "my Halo killer".Bioshock came to supplant Halo's popularity in what he likes to play.Peter_Cheek

I interpreted that as "the Halo killer in my opinion."

If we truly went by the gaming public Mario would take a pipe wrench to master chiefs head.Peter_Cheek

Can you clarify this somewhat?

I understand your statement 'Was halo 3 the halo killer', but its far from the 'killer'. Halo has been an excellent series. The first Halo was one of the best single player games ever and the multi player between yor friends was a good laugh. Halo 2, well that took multi player online shooting to another level. I and several thousand gamers played Halo 2 for years and years. To play any game that long well it shows its a quality game. Now the problem is how to you improve on 'perfection'? The little changes to Halo 3 were brilliant, theatre being my favourite. The new weapons were very good, as were the new vehicles but after playing Halo 2 for so long (almost too its death) Halo 3 was going to have to go in a totally different direction to keep us online for another 2 years. If they would have done that though then it wouldn't have felt like Halo so they couldn't do that, kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. In the end they brought out a great multi player online shooter and a good single player campaign to bring the series to an end. So its not a killer its a finale.

The reason COD4 is so loved is that its a step in a new direction for a console game. Battlefield 2 and 2142 were ground breakers on the pc and COD4 is the closest thing we'd seen to those games on a console. New ideas and games have to come out else we'd be playing the same over and over again. Gears of War was a welcome change but it didn't last anywhere near as long as the Halo 2 frenzy. I think they need to change there online part of the game in Gears of War 2 to drag us all back and keep us there for a while

Halo is an indescribable series that as a whole is a wonderful story. Bungie did a wonderful job advancing a lot of new things and breaking a lot of new ground. Polishing a lot of the other ground that wasn't yet smooth. Halo 3 had it's ups and downs, but let's face it, it was NOT by any means a bad game. The over all response to just the games release spells that. 170 million (USD) made on it's RELEASE date. 300 million (USD) in seven days after the launch. Let's face it, there are not any other games that have come close to this. With any kind of accomplishments there are those that are jelous, or just want to downplay it.

This is what this thread is, an attempt to downplay a work of art in the gaming community.

Just chill, and play, if you don't like the game, then leave it alone. God knows we have enough threads bashing games, and that's all fine if the game actually did suck. There are plenty of games out there that actually suck so let's attack them and give them something to work on rather than criticizing something great and acting like it wasn't a milestone.

Now get out there and smack around some actually crappy game.

~jackfortehmusic