Well, I guess that was it guys...

The used game/borrowing policy + 24 hour offline limit = no buy for me. 

It may sound like I'm overreacting, but am I really? I've been a very loyal MS supporter for over the past 10+ years. Owned both consoles and played the heck out of 'em. Purchased countless games and have put hundreds upon hundreds of hours of playtime into them. Sorry if I'm rambling, but just trying to describe my loyalty to the company.

These limitations seem pointless and are just flat out annoyances. MS keeps trying to state the fact "none of these drawbacks are making us any extra income" but to be honest I can't believe that for a second. There's definitely stuff they aren't telling us when it comes to that extra cash flow. Makes me uneasy.

As fellow Xbox gamers, I'm curious about your thoughts regarding the new console and the newly announced policies. Do you think they're going too far with all this? The points they made on the Kinect's customizable privacy features were rather comforting, but everything else was simply disappointing. 

The used game/borrowing policy + 24 hour offline limit = no buy for me. 

It may sound like I'm overreacting, but am I really? I've been a very loyal MS supporter for over the past 10+ years. Owned both consoles and played the heck out of 'em. Purchased countless games and have put hundreds upon hundreds of hours of playtime into them. Sorry if I'm rambling, but just trying to describe my loyalty to the company.

These limitations seem pointless and are just flat out annoyances. MS keeps trying to state the fact "none of these drawbacks are making us any extra income" but to be honest I can't believe that for a second. There's definitely stuff they aren't telling us when it comes to that extra cash flow. Makes me uneasy.

As fellow Xbox gamers, I'm curious about your thoughts regarding the new console and the newly announced policies. Do you think they're going too far with all this? The points they made on the Kinect's customizable privacy features were rather comforting, but everything else was simply disappointing. 

destinhpark

Well, I'm glad to hear it's not only me. Yeah, like the one dude said (sorry I can't remember your username and don't feel like going back a page, haha) the used game thing isn't quite as bad, but that internet policy would just drive me up the wall. Sorry MS, I'm just not sold :/

Way to screw up Microsoft. 

Seriously, what happens when the next console's lifecycle is over and Microsoft shuts off their servers for the X1? The console becomes an expensive paperweight and all the games you bought are now useless. Forget being able to go back and enjoy your games like you could for the previous consoles.

I'm REALLY hoping Sony doesn't make these ridiculous requirements for the PS4, otherwise I don't know what I'm going to do next gen. 

Way to screw up Microsoft. 

Seriously, what happens when the next console's lifecycle is over and Microsoft shuts off their servers for the X1? The console becomes an expensive paperweight and all the games you bought are now useless. Forget being able to go back and enjoy your games like you could for the previous consoles.

I'm REALLY hoping Sony doesn't make these ridiculous requirements for the PS4, otherwise I don't know what I'm going to do next gen. 

Vari3ty

Way to screw up Microsoft. 

Seriously, what happens when the next console's lifecycle is over and Microsoft shuts off their servers for the X1? The console becomes an expensive paperweight and all the games you bought are now useless. Forget being able to go back and enjoy your games like you could for the previous consoles.

I'm REALLY hoping Sony doesn't make these ridiculous requirements for the PS4, otherwise I don't know what I'm going to do next gen. 

Vari3ty

So you think Microsoft will stop the Live service after this generation

Brilliant

I disagree with some of you here. I think the borrowing game policy is AWEFUL. I trade games back and forth with friends and also my sister! Or what about taking a multiplayer game over to a friends to play it for a few hours? Ive been a HUGE Xbox fan since I first played Halo 1 in a gamestop 543 years ago!!! But all these new policies are breaking my heart. 

I already have PS3 so if I have to make the switch to PS4 it might not be so hard. I guess we will have to see what they have to show for themselves during E3. But for now its not looking good...

i shouldn't have to prove i'm not doing anything illegal by having Microsoft check in on me every 24 hours. i'm also completely over having to pay for online gaming. I've never been a huge fan of the xbox exclusives, so unless there's some huge bombshell game at e3 (alan wake 2 perhaps) I doubt i'll be getting the new xboxAJC3317

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

Way to screw up Microsoft. 

Seriously, what happens when the next console's lifecycle is over and Microsoft shuts off their servers for the X1? The console becomes an expensive paperweight and all the games you bought are now useless. Forget being able to go back and enjoy your games like you could for the previous consoles.

I'm REALLY hoping Sony doesn't make these ridiculous requirements for the PS4, otherwise I don't know what I'm going to do next gen. 

Jaysonguy

So you think Microsoft will stop the Live service after this generation

Brilliant

I didn't say that.

If past generations are anything to go buy, what I purchase on the X1 won't transfer over the next generation. And when Microsoft decides to kill the servers for the X1 in the future (which will someday happen), the console and all the games you bought won't work. 

[QUOTE="AJC3317"]i shouldn't have to prove i'm not doing anything illegal by having Microsoft check in on me every 24 hours. i'm also completely over having to pay for online gaming. I've never been a huge fan of the xbox exclusives, so unless there's some huge bombshell game at e3 (alan wake 2 perhaps) I doubt i'll be getting the new xboxfirefox59

I disagree with some of you here. I think the borrowing game policy is AWEFUL. I trade games back and forth with friends and also my sister! Or what about taking a multiplayer game over to a friends to play it for a few hours? Ive been a HUGE Xbox fan since I first played Halo 1 in a gamestop 543 years ago!!! But all these new policies are breaking my heart. 

I already have PS3 so if I have to make the switch to PS4 it might not be so hard. I guess we will have to see what they have to show for themselves during E3. But for now its not looking good...

fredpp

The used game/borrowing policy + 24 hour offline limit = no buy for me. 

It may sound like I'm overreacting, but am I really? I've been a very loyal MS supporter for over the past 10+ years. Owned both consoles and played the heck out of 'em. Purchased countless games and have put hundreds upon hundreds of hours of playtime into them. Sorry if I'm rambling, but just trying to describe my loyalty to the company.

These limitations seem pointless and are just flat out annoyances. MS keeps trying to state the fact "none of these drawbacks are making us any extra income" but to be honest I can't believe that for a second. There's definitely stuff they aren't telling us when it comes to that extra cash flow. Makes me uneasy.

As fellow Xbox gamers, I'm curious about your thoughts regarding the new console and the newly announced policies. Do you think they're going too far with all this? The points they made on the Kinect's customizable privacy features were rather comforting, but everything else was simply disappointing. 

destinhpark

it was rejected by almost everyone on the 360 and no one wants it on xbox one. sooo they decide to force it on us with xbox one?? why?! lol. makes NO SENSE!

-we don't want it.

-we won't use it.

-we don't like it.

-it will drive the price of the console up by $100-$150

it's almost like microsoft is intentionally trying to fail.

"Getting a PC" people, listen: Steam. Great service, no doubt. Great deals, great games, awesome stuff. What does it require? Internet. What do you have to do when installing a game? Authenticate a game via code, which checks their online database. YOU HAVE TO HAVE INTERNET!! "Moving to PS4" people, listen: the Playstation 4 is built for social interaction -- FaceBook, Ustream, their social network attempt. Also, don't forget their cloud service, Geiki (I just butchered that). That, plus the fact that DRM would require Internet -- which without DRM they will lose publishers and developers to Xbox. With all that, I wouldn't be surprised for PS4 requiring Internet. If you are able to play over Xbox Live right now, then why can't you with an Xbox One? My scenario is when I move out I won't have Internet for the first month or two, but I will get Internet as soon as possible. I don't have an issue past this, and a lot of you don't. You guys are just shocked they would do this, and want to complain. Shut up. Whatever console you get, or if you play PC, you're gaming experience will be hindered without Internet. Whatever you choose will be a good pick, but make sure you aren't stupid about it. ShaineTheNerd

Steam does allow you to play offline indefinitely, however. And as you said, you can get games for crazy low prices, something I haven't seen Xbox Live even come close to matching. 

People will complain as they damn well please. 

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"]"Getting a PC" people, listen: Steam. Great service, no doubt. Great deals, great games, awesome stuff. What does it require? Internet. What do you have to do when installing a game? Authenticate a game via code, which checks their online database. YOU HAVE TO HAVE INTERNET!! "Moving to PS4" people, listen: the Playstation 4 is built for social interaction -- FaceBook, Ustream, their social network attempt. Also, don't forget their cloud service, Geiki (I just butchered that). That, plus the fact that DRM would require Internet -- which without DRM they will lose publishers and developers to Xbox. With all that, I wouldn't be surprised for PS4 requiring Internet. If you are able to play over Xbox Live right now, then why can't you with an Xbox One? My scenario is when I move out I won't have Internet for the first month or two, but I will get Internet as soon as possible. I don't have an issue past this, and a lot of you don't. You guys are just shocked they would do this, and want to complain. Shut up. Whatever console you get, or if you play PC, you're gaming experience will be hindered without Internet. Whatever you choose will be a good pick, but make sure you aren't stupid about it. Vari3ty

Steam does allow you to play offline indefinitely, however. And as you said, you can get games for crazy low prices, something I haven't seen Xbox Live even come close to matching. 

People will complain as they damn well please. 

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

Way to screw up Microsoft. 

Seriously, what happens when the next console's lifecycle is over and Microsoft shuts off their servers for the X1? The console becomes an expensive paperweight and all the games you bought are now useless. Forget being able to go back and enjoy your games like you could for the previous consoles.

I'm REALLY hoping Sony doesn't make these ridiculous requirements for the PS4, otherwise I don't know what I'm going to do next gen. 

Vari3ty

So you think Microsoft will stop the Live service after this generation

Brilliant

I didn't say that.

If past generations are anything to go buy, what I purchase on the X1 won't transfer over the next generation. And when Microsoft decides to kill the servers for the X1 in the future (which will someday happen), the console and all the games you bought won't work. 

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"]"Getting a PC" people, listen: Steam. Great service, no doubt. Great deals, great games, awesome stuff. What does it require? Internet. What do you have to do when installing a game? Authenticate a game via code, which checks their online database. YOU HAVE TO HAVE INTERNET!! "Moving to PS4" people, listen: the Playstation 4 is built for social interaction -- FaceBook, Ustream, their social network attempt. Also, don't forget their cloud service, Geiki (I just butchered that). That, plus the fact that DRM would require Internet -- which without DRM they will lose publishers and developers to Xbox. With all that, I wouldn't be surprised for PS4 requiring Internet. If you are able to play over Xbox Live right now, then why can't you with an Xbox One? My scenario is when I move out I won't have Internet for the first month or two, but I will get Internet as soon as possible. I don't have an issue past this, and a lot of you don't. You guys are just shocked they would do this, and want to complain. Shut up. Whatever console you get, or if you play PC, you're gaming experience will be hindered without Internet. Whatever you choose will be a good pick, but make sure you aren't stupid about it. ShaineTheNerd

Steam does allow you to play offline indefinitely, however. And as you said, you can get games for crazy low prices, something I haven't seen Xbox Live even come close to matching. 

People will complain as they damn well please. 

Completely missing the point. Yes, of course you need an internet connection to buy a game through Steam - once you've had it downloaded though, you can play if offline without any restrictions. None of this every 24 hours nonsense Microsoft is trying to pull. 

Shit, I totally forgot you can also buy games offline these days through Steam. Sorry guys, my bad. ShaineTheNerd

are you being a douche on purpose?

Completely missing the point. Yes, of course you need an internet connection to buy a game through Steam - once you've had it downloaded though, you can play if offline without any restrictions. None of this every 24 hours nonsense Microsoft is trying to pull. 

Vari3ty

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"] Shit, I totally forgot you can also buy games offline these days through Steam. Sorry guys, my bad. feverberries

are you being a douche on purpose?

[QUOTE="firefox59"][QUOTE="AJC3317"]i shouldn't have to prove i'm not doing anything illegal by having Microsoft check in on me every 24 hours. i'm also completely over having to pay for online gaming. I've never been a huge fan of the xbox exclusives, so unless there's some huge bombshell game at e3 (alan wake 2 perhaps) I doubt i'll be getting the new xboxAJC3317

just bought a ps3 today for the last of us and ps+ and going ps4 next gen. sweeten16

ur gunna love the ps4 i'm also getting one.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

Way to screw up Microsoft. 

Seriously, what happens when the next console's lifecycle is over and Microsoft shuts off their servers for the X1? The console becomes an expensive paperweight and all the games you bought are now useless. Forget being able to go back and enjoy your games like you could for the previous consoles.

I'm REALLY hoping Sony doesn't make these ridiculous requirements for the PS4, otherwise I don't know what I'm going to do next gen. 

Vari3ty

So you think Microsoft will stop the Live service after this generation

Brilliant

I didn't say that.

If past generations are anything to go buy, what I purchase on the X1 won't transfer over the next generation. And when Microsoft decides to kill the servers for the X1 in the future (which will someday happen), the console and all the games you bought won't work. 

Past generations, are you *($*&(@#$ kidding me?

So you're going on the generation where Microsoft was ordered to stop making their console and had to use all new architecture in their next gen console?

You're kidding right?

Are you new to all this "gaming" stuff? I don't mean that in an insulting way I mean it like do you really not know what went on from generation to generation?

So I gather you will be buying a Wii U because certainly you will have the same peoblem with the PS4 and Steam

I love how people are complaining about MS forcing Kinect on people but not saying anything about Sony forcing Move on people through the controller. Lebowski__basic

Beacuse its good guy Sony, who are known to be one of the worst offenders of consumer rights and DRM, whos console as yet still exists on paper and who have not given an officla clear honest answer on their policy. They let MS take the flak while hiding behind a skirt and big girl blouses.

Wait a minute, what's this 24 hour offline policy? 

I just want someone with a camcorder to film the microsoft team when they realise they aren't going to even hit half of the 1 billion they are expecting.

Wait a minute, what's this 24 hour offline policy? 

I just want someone with a camcorder to film the microsoft team when they realise they aren't going to even hit half of the 1 billion they are expecting.

WinsteadVolve

[QUOTE="WinsteadVolve"]

Wait a minute, what's this 24 hour offline policy? 

I just want someone with a camcorder to film the microsoft team when they realise they aren't going to even hit half of the 1 billion they are expecting.

ShaineTheNerd

I've been a loyal xboxer since 2001. as a parent the used/borrow/transfer game fee and structure is a deal breaker for me. I have to make sure fees and internet connections are satisfied just so my son can play the game. I will gladly buy a PS to stick it to Microsoft. Its already ridiculous paying for LIVE when MS collects advertisement fees.

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="WinsteadVolve"]

Wait a minute, what's this 24 hour offline policy? 

I just want someone with a camcorder to film the microsoft team when they realise they aren't going to even hit half of the 1 billion they are expecting.

WinsteadVolve

I've been a loyal xboxer since 2001. as a parent the used/borrow/transfer game fee and structure is a deal breaker for me. I have to make sure fees and internet connections are satisfied just so my son can play the game. I will gladly buy a PS to stick it to Microsoft. Its already ridiculous paying for LIVE when MS collects advertisement fees.

BLAS1AN

GTFO, 24 hour confirmation to play? I will get a PS4 just to stick it to MS. Master_Live

[QUOTE="AJC3317"]i shouldn't have to prove i'm not doing anything illegal by having Microsoft check in on me every 24 hours. i'm also completely over having to pay for online gaming. I've never been a huge fan of the xbox exclusives, so unless there's some huge bombshell game at e3 (alan wake 2 perhaps) I doubt i'll be getting the new xboxfirefox59

Perhaps I am the only one, but I will get both consoles regardless of these things people are hating on. I'm in it for the games. Any time I play games I'm connected to the internet anyways.

Perhaps I am the only one, but I will get both consoles regardless of these things people are hating on. I'm in it for the games. Any time I play games I'm connected to the internet anyways.

m_inman