What do you think about the DRM issues??

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It may not be a big issue for alot of ppl, but for ppl like me who have spent a couple hundred dollars on XBLA Games and Content for games, It is. My view is I don't think people should spend all this money on downloaded content only to have limited access if they purchase a new console or recieve a refurbished one from repairs. They do have a workaround if you get a refurbished console when you get it back from MS though, but still. Supposedly there is a fix in the works but no official info on how long until it comes out. This issue is preventing me from from buying a 360 Elite. What are everyones views on this matter??

I don't think this issue has received nearly the attention it deserves considering the hardware failures and the launch of the Elite. Requiring people that have had their consoles replaced and/or have upgraded to the Elite to access Live to use the content they purchased on their original console is just wrong. I'm unclear as to why they require the content to be linked to the hardware in the first place. I mean, I know it's for copy protection purposes, but it seems like an unnecessary step considering the fact that you cannot copy a gamertag, only move it. If you could copy your gamertag, give it to your friend and they could use it to use downloaded content they didn't pay for - okay then. But you can't. Linking the content to your gamertag should be sufficient copy protection since there can be only one copy of that gamertag on any 360 at any time. Apparently there's something I'm missing because this has been an issue since at least December 2005 with no resolution in sight.Bane_v2

I agree. I don't understand why they have it linked to your Gamertag and you Hardware. It's quit simple if they link it to your Gamertag and your haddrive. That way you get full access to it, but if you try and copy it to a different console it denies you access or converts it to the demo version. I also don't understand why they didn't include a program with the 120 GB harddrive that when you copy all your stuff over it writes you a new key for each item. MS is suppose to be good at this kind of stuff but it's pretty bad when an average guy comes up with better solutions then a multi-million dollar company....lol :)

i don't know what u r talking about; if you get a new harddrive, just recover your gamertag, and then go back and redownload it; u can do it for free because it will have a checkmark already by ittennisacerg

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That's correct. Even if you recovered your gamertag and re-dowloaded everything. The content's key and the key on your 360's motherboard are now different, and therefore you have to be on Xbox Live so MS server can verify the key's linked to you gamertag. And also, the profile that purchased the content is now the only profile that can use it.

It's a bummer, and seeing as how the 360 has a high failure margin, this effects alot of ppl :(

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It may not be a big issue for alot of ppl, but for ppl like me who have spent a couple hundred dollars on XBLA Games and Content for games, It is. My view is I don't think people should spend all this money on downloaded content only to have limited access if they purchase a new console or recieve a refurbished one from repairs. They do have a workaround if you get a refurbished console when you get it back from MS though, but still. Supposedly there is a fix in the works but no official info on how long until it comes out. This issue is preventing me from from buying a 360 Elite. What are everyones views on this matter??

blackdragn

I don't understand how this affects anyone. I attached my hard drive to another xbox and had no trouble playing the arcade games. How exactly is this suppose to be a problem? i don't get it.

Actually I have a trouble, with my downloaded content, and my new xbox, I mean, i just plugged my hard drive, and verything is on it, but I am not able to use it, I don't know what is wrong, but for example all the maps from gears of war and gamerpics don't appear, even if i downloaded them again, my XLA games are in demo versions and I called to the IT services but they didn't helped me at all, I actually had to create a new gamertag, and download all the content again with that gamertag and then use it with my real GT, that really sucks.Rick_Moni

You should call MS. You are being affected by the DRM issues. My 360 is on it's way back from the repair shop, but the MS representive I talked to said if I receive a refurbished console, to call them and they will give me credit (Via MS point) for all the content I purchased. I would call up there and see about getting your MS points refunded, and then you can re-purchase all your content :)

[QUOTE="Rick_Moni"]Actually I have a trouble, with my downloaded content, and my new xbox, I mean, i just plugged my hard drive, and verything is on it, but I am not able to use it, I don't know what is wrong, but for example all the maps from gears of war and gamerpics don't appear, even if i downloaded them again, my XLA games are in demo versions and I called to the IT services but they didn't helped me at all, I actually had to create a new gamertag, and download all the content again with that gamertag and then use it with my real GT, that really sucks.blackdragn

You should call MS. You are being affected by the DRM issues. My 360 is on it's way back from the repair shop, but the MS representive I talked to said if I receive a refurbished console, to call them and they will give me credit (Via MS point) for all the content I purchased. I would call up there and see about getting your MS points refunded, and then you can re-purchase all your content :)

Once you sign in with your gamertag you can download everything you already purchased.

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[QUOTE="Rick_Moni"]Actually I have a trouble, with my downloaded content, and my new xbox, I mean, i just plugged my hard drive, and verything is on it, but I am not able to use it, I don't know what is wrong, but for example all the maps from gears of war and gamerpics don't appear, even if i downloaded them again, my XLA games are in demo versions and I called to the IT services but they didn't helped me at all, I actually had to create a new gamertag, and download all the content again with that gamertag and then use it with my real GT, that really sucks.Deihmos

You should call MS. You are being affected by the DRM issues. My 360 is on it's way back from the repair shop, but the MS representive I talked to said if I receive a refurbished console, to call them and they will give me credit (Via MS point) for all the content I purchased. I would call up there and see about getting your MS points refunded, and then you can re-purchase all your content :)

Once you sign in with your gamertag you can download everything you already purchased.

That's not the problem he is having. He still has all his content, he just can't use it without being connected to Live. He receiveda different console instead of his original and now the Keys on the motherboard that are link to his gamertag are different. Therefore, he can't access the content without being connected to Xbox Live. The only other link to his content is through his Gamertag, so you have to be signed on, so MS can verify the keys for his content. :(

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It may not be a big issue for alot of ppl, but for ppl like me who have spent a couple hundred dollars on XBLA Games and Content for games, It is. My view is I don't think people should spend all this money on downloaded content only to have limited access if they purchase a new console or recieve a refurbished one from repairs. They do have a workaround if you get a refurbished console when you get it back from MS though, but still. Supposedly there is a fix in the works but no official info on how long until it comes out. This issue is preventing me from from buying a 360 Elite. What are everyones views on this matter??

Deihmos

I don't understand how this affects anyone. I attached my hard drive to another xbox and had no trouble playing the arcade games. How exactly is this suppose to be a problem? i don't get it.

The reason you didn't have a problem is because you were connected to live and signed in the profile you used to purchase the content. The problem with everyone else is if they bought the new 360 Elite or bought a new console, but use the same HD, then they have to be connected to Xbox live and signed in on the profile that purchased the content. If you travel alot, live in an area were DSL is still scarcely accessible, your interenet connection fluctuates, or have siblings with profiles on the same 360, then this will effect you.

For example, I visit my mom frequently and like to bring over my 360 for a little family gaming. She can't get DSL so we would be unable to play the full version of my XBLA games and would be unable to access all the ingame content I downloaded :(

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It may not be a big issue for alot of ppl, but for ppl like me who have spent a couple hundred dollars on XBLA Games and Content for games, It is. My view is I don't think people should spend all this money on downloaded content only to have limited access if they purchase a new console or recieve a refurbished one from repairs. They do have a workaround if you get a refurbished console when you get it back from MS though, but still. Supposedly there is a fix in the works but no official info on how long until it comes out. This issue is preventing me from from buying a 360 Elite. What are everyones views on this matter??

blackdragn

I don't understand how this affects anyone. I attached my hard drive to another xbox and had no trouble playing the arcade games. How exactly is this suppose to be a problem? i don't get it.

The reason you didn't have a problem is because you were connected to live and signed in the profile you used to purchase the content. The problem with everyone else is if they bought the new 120GB HD or bought a new console, then they have to be connected to Xbox live and signed in on the profile that purchased the content. If you travel alot, live in an area were DSL is still scarcely accessible, your interenet connection fluctuates, or have siblings with profiles on the same 360, then this will effect you.

For example, I visit my mom frequently and like to bring over my 360 for a little family gaming. She can't get DSL so we would be unable to play the full version of my XBLA games and would be unable to access all the ingame content I downloaded :(

all you need to do is transfer the gamertag to the new console. Signing in wouldn't do it and the new hard drives come with transfer cables. Once the gamertags are transfered to the new console you do not need to be connected to play arcade games. i never have to connect to Live to play arcade games...

Just a wuick question: Does this issue apply if you reformat the hard drive on the 360? I hear that this "key" is on the motherboard so it would only be a problem if your 360 broke and you got a new one. As for me I have'nt had any issues with DRM on the 360, though I haven't tried playing one of my XBLA games while not connected to live.

DRM is stupid, and my biggest issue with it has nothing to do with the 360. I have an iPod, and I'd consider getting a Zune when it wears out but unfortunately DRM means that my entire iTunes library wouldn't work on that system even though its in compatible formats. I know this isn't entirely relevant to the discussion but I didn't want to come off sounding like I don't have problem witth DRM, because I do and it's something that needs to be fixed.

The problem is people don't know the difference between signing in and transferring the gamertag, Once you transfer the gamertag to your console you don't need to connect to Live to play any Arcade games.

I can play every single arcade game without connecting to the internet.

The problem is people don't know the difference between signing in and transferring the gamertag, Once you transfer the gamertag to your console you don't need to connect to Live to play any Arcade games.

I can play every single arcade game without connecting to the internet.Deihmos

Just a wuick question: Does this issue apply if you reformat the hard drive on the 360? I hear that this "key" is on the motherboard so it would only be a problem if your 360 broke and you got a new one. As for me I have'nt had any issues with DRM on the 360, though I haven't tried playing one of my XBLA games while not connected to live.

DRM is stupid, and my biggest issue with it has nothing to do with the 360. I have an iPod, and I'd consider getting a Zune when it wears out but unfortunately DRM means that my entire iTunes library wouldn't work on that system even though its in compatible formats. I know this isn't entirely relevant to the discussion but I didn't want to come off sounding like I don't have problem witth DRM, because I do and it's something that needs to be fixed.

primehunter326

No, formating only deletes updates for games and such. DRM Woes only effect people that use a different console then what they used to purchase the content.

If you purchased all of your music then yeah, DRM is going give you problems. I downoad Digitally Unsigned songs, and I have them on my Ipod and my Zune ;)

[QUOTE="Bane_v2"]I don't think this issue has received nearly the attention it deserves considering the hardware failures and the launch of the Elite. Requiring people that have had their consoles replaced and/or have upgraded to the Elite to access Live to use the content they purchased on their original console is just wrong. I'm unclear as to why they require the content to be linked to the hardware in the first place. I mean, I know it's for copy protection purposes, but it seems like an unnecessary step considering the fact that you cannot copy a gamertag, only move it. If you could copy your gamertag, give it to your friend and they could use it to use downloaded content they didn't pay for - okay then. But you can't. Linking the content to your gamertag should be sufficient copy protection since there can be only one copy of that gamertag on any 360 at any time. Apparently there's something I'm missing because this has been an issue since at least December 2005 with no resolution in sight.blackdragn

I agree. I don't understand why they have it linked to your Gamertag and you Hardware. It's quit simple if they link it to your Gamertag and your haddrive. That way you get full access to it, but if you try and copy it to a different console it denies you access or converts it to the demo version. I also don't understand why they didn't include a program with the 120 GB harddrive that when you copy all your stuff over it writes you a new key for each item. MS is suppose to be good at this kind of stuff but it's pretty bad when an average guy comes up with better solutions then a multi-million dollar company....lol :)

Multi-Billion lol

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[QUOTE="Bane_v2"]I don't think this issue has received nearly the attention it deserves considering the hardware failures and the launch of the Elite. Requiring people that have had their consoles replaced and/or have upgraded to the Elite to access Live to use the content they purchased on their original console is just wrong. I'm unclear as to why they require the content to be linked to the hardware in the first place. I mean, I know it's for copy protection purposes, but it seems like an unnecessary step considering the fact that you cannot copy a gamertag, only move it. If you could copy your gamertag, give it to your friend and they could use it to use downloaded content they didn't pay for - okay then. But you can't. Linking the content to your gamertag should be sufficient copy protection since there can be only one copy of that gamertag on any 360 at any time. Apparently there's something I'm missing because this has been an issue since at least December 2005 with no resolution in sight.callofdutyzzz

I agree. I don't understand why they have it linked to your Gamertag and you Hardware. It's quit simple if they link it to your Gamertag and your haddrive. That way you get full access to it, but if you try and copy it to a different console it denies you access or converts it to the demo version. I also don't understand why they didn't include a program with the 120 GB harddrive that when you copy all your stuff over it writes you a new key for each item. MS is suppose to be good at this kind of stuff but it's pretty bad when an average guy comes up with better solutions then a multi-million dollar company....lol :)

Multi-Billion lol

Lol.....you know what I mean. They are some rich b*tches. We will just forget figures and leave it at that ;)

Here's a good site for more information on this issue: http://brokenxblm.blogspot.com/2007/01/problem-description-faqs.htmlBane_v2

Nice link, very helpful info for anyone with DRM questions :)

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Just a wuick question: Does this issue apply if you reformat the hard drive on the 360? I hear that this "key" is on the motherboard so it would only be a problem if your 360 broke and you got a new one. As for me I have'nt had any issues with DRM on the 360, though I haven't tried playing one of my XBLA games while not connected to live.

DRM is stupid, and my biggest issue with it has nothing to do with the 360. I have an iPod, and I'd consider getting a Zune when it wears out but unfortunately DRM means that my entire iTunes library wouldn't work on that system even though its in compatible formats. I know this isn't entirely relevant to the discussion but I didn't want to come off sounding like I don't have problem witth DRM, because I do and it's something that needs to be fixed.

blackdragn

No, formating only deletes updates for games and such. DRM Woes only effect people that use a different console then what they used to purchase the content.

If you purchased all of your music then yeah, DRM is going give you problems. I downoad Digitally Unsigned songs, and I have them on my Ipod and my Zune ;)

That's what I thought, but just to be clear I actually reformatted my drive, not just the matainence thingy. I lost all of my stuff and had to redownload it again.

As for the music stuff, I guess I made it sound worse than it is. I have a fairly small music library ( I have less than 1000 songs) and only some of it is purchased content. However that's the stuf I tend ot listen to more and I already paid for it once so... yeah.

Please keep in mind that licenses for downloaded content like Xbox LIVE Arcade games and TV shows from Video Marketplace are tied to your console not your hard drive. The hard drive transfer kit will move all data from your 20GB hard drive to your Xbox 360 Elite System's 120 GB hard drive, but due to data security provisions it cannot move the licenses associated with some content. This means that while all of your Xbox LIVE Arcade games and Xbox LIVE Marketplace TV shows will transfer, you will have to be connected to Xbox LIVE (to verify your identity) in order to access that content. This process is permanent—do not transfer your data if you wish to access it while offline.

Along with the cable and software, the transfer kit we got came with instructions and warnings. Perhaps the most pertinent of these is the one that talks about digital licenses. Downloaded content that is purchased through Xbox Live is licensed to both your Xbox 360 and your Gamertag. The license does not switch with the transfer. If you have purchased an Elite and are swapping the content to the new hard drive for use on a new console, you won't be able to access purchased videos, games, themes, or pics without being signed into Xbox Live.

# You should also know that licenses for dwnloaded content like Xbox LIVE Arcade games and TV shows from Xbox LIVE are tied to the console they were originally downloaded on. * This means that while all of your Xbox LIVE Arcade games and TV shows will transfer, you will have to be connected to Xbox LIVE (to verify your identity) in order to access that content. * This process is permanent, so do not transfer your data if it is important to you to be able to access this content offline. * Consumers that purchase the standalone 120GB HDD will not experience any change in the way they access their data online or offline since they are using the same console and only upgrading to a larger hard drive.

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Just a wuick question: Does this issue apply if you reformat the hard drive on the 360? I hear that this "key" is on the motherboard so it would only be a problem if your 360 broke and you got a new one. As for me I have'nt had any issues with DRM on the 360, though I haven't tried playing one of my XBLA games while not connected to live.

DRM is stupid, and my biggest issue with it has nothing to do with the 360. I have an iPod, and I'd consider getting a Zune when it wears out but unfortunately DRM means that my entire iTunes library wouldn't work on that system even though its in compatible formats. I know this isn't entirely relevant to the discussion but I didn't want to come off sounding like I don't have problem witth DRM, because I do and it's something that needs to be fixed.

primehunter326

No, formating only deletes updates for games and such. DRM Woes only effect people that use a different console then what they used to purchase the content.

If you purchased all of your music then yeah, DRM is going give you problems. I downoad Digitally Unsigned songs, and I have them on my Ipod and my Zune ;)

That's what I thought, but just to be clear I actually reformatted my drive, not just the matainence thingy. I lost all of my stuff and had to redownload it again.

As for the music stuff, I guess I made it sound worse than it is. I have a fairly small music library ( I have less than 1000 songs) and only some of it is purchased content. However that's the stuf I tend ot listen to more and I already paid for it once so... yeah.

That sucks. You can always just download the songs you purchased with whatever P2P program you have ;)