What happened to the days of real tactical shooters.

Games such as ghost recon, rainbow six black arrow, splinter cell chaos theory,games where each multiplayerround consisted of one life, making the player have to think about his moves.

Games where it took true skill to make a kill, where the sense of achievement was always high as everyong one was much more careful not to die.

What happened to making people wait in the lobby for the dead, as they continued to view the action, discussing the 'still alive' players movements.

Those moments where you were the last person alive on your team and you knew everyone else was watching you, your heart would start to race as you new it was time to show your skills, possibly managing to kill the whole other team and consequently returning to an applause in the lobby from your team who were watching.

I know there are still last man standing games on Graw 2, but no one ever plays them, everyone plays sharp shooter as I immagine no one can be bothered to wait around if they die, they would rather instantly have another chance, and then another one, and another one, so everyone ends up running around like headless chickens.

Is this what the masses have done to games? where have all the true hardcore tactical gamers gone?

Now everyone plays call of duty, a game of mindless relentless action... and this is obviously what the masses want, as it clearly always sells so well...

I know I am a small minority, but this wasnt how games used to be, and i believe games will never be the way they were again.

Infact things will only get worse, as systems such as the wii have had such success, microsoft and sony are already following the wii on their main objective which is and always will be to make money, therefore sell as many units as possible, no matter how bad the quality of the games are.

although call of duty does give you an infinite amount of lives you can play search and destroy that is basically what you just explaind. You can also play gears of war/gears of war 2 exicution rainbow six vegas 2. there are many choices of the types of games you like with lots of players and i no lots of peole who hate cod so not everyone plays it

i have playe on call of duty search and destroy, its is not the same as what i am talking about, the movement of call of duty is far too quick to ever be considere a true tactical shooter, representing a real life situation. The fact that when you are moving you have less of a good aim as when you are not moving is what makes a game feel realistic, and what creates the most tactical situations.

But Aim dissabilatys is a feature in call of duty and are you saying that its not a good tactical game because people run to fast?

Games such as ghost recon, rainbow six black arrow, splinter cell chaos theory,games where each multiplayerround consisted of one life, making the player have to think about his moves.

Games where it took true skill to make a kill, where the sense of achievement was always high as everyong one was much more careful not to die.

What happened to making people wait in the lobby for the dead, as they continued to view the action, discussing the 'still alive' players movements.

Those moments where you were the last person alive on your team and you knew everyone else was watching you, your heart would start to race as you new it was time to show your skills, possibly managing to kill the whole other team and consequently returning to an applause in the lobby from your team who were watching.

I know there are still last man standing games on Graw 2, but no one ever plays them, everyone plays sharp shooter as I immagine no one can be bothered to wait around if they die, they would rather instantly have another chance, and then another one, and another one, so everyone ends up running around like headless chickens.

Is this what the masses have done to games? where have all the true hardcore tactical gamers gone?

Now everyone plays call of duty, a game of mindless relentless action... and this is obviously what the masses want, as it clearly always sells so well...

I know I am a small minority, but this wasnt how games used to be, and i believe games will never be the way they were again.

Infact things will only get worse, as systems such as the wii have had such success, microsoft and sony are already following the wii on their main objective which is and always will be to make money, therefore sell as many units as possible, no matter how bad the quality of the games are.

ULYSSES2004

You missed the greatest online FPS of all time. Counter Strike Source.

Boo hoo. God forbid that not everyone like what you like. Times change, and tastes change. There are a whole horde of people with your mentality at your local nursing home, all mad because kids don't like to play with jacks and push little metal wheels down the road with sticks anymore.

Games where it took true skill to make a kill, where the sense of achievement was always high as everyong one was much more careful not to die.

ULYSSES2004

If I had a dime for every time someone, when complaining about genres or subgenres of gaming that he doesn't like, said that they take no skill...

What happened to making people wait in the lobby for the dead, as they continued to view the action, discussing the 'still alive' players movements.

ULYSSES2004

In my opinion: That's ****ing boring. If I wanted to watch people play a game, I'd go to the bar and watch football.

Could you possibly switch to PC gaming? Maybe something along the lines of ARMA 2 or Operation Flashpoint 2 would better suit you.

Also, both the Xbox 360 & PS3 have a bunch of quality games. You should have been smarter & not seek realistic shooters on consoles when everyone knows that sort of gameplay resides on PC. So basically, stop complaining & don't post comments like the no quality one here.

You do realize that most these games aren't developed by MS & Sony, why complain about them when your biggest culprit of a game Modern Warfare 2 was devolped by Infinity Ward & published by Activision.

That last part of your original post really made me LOL. You act as if it wasn't a company's main objective before to make money...............???

I used to feel the same way but Modern Warfare & now MW2 are so good I really don't care anymore. & with 3rd person tactical and search n destroy (as mentioned) as well as the hardcore modes, there's still some tactics to be found even in MW2.

GRAW 2 but my fav tactical shooter on the 360 has been Rainbow Six 1, I went over to the PS3 for a while to see if Socom Confrontation could live up to Socom 2 or even Socom 3 but trust me it doesn't. MW2 is my new crack

^ should've said GRAW 2 was a good game but my fav 360 tactical shooter was Rainbow Six VEGAS 1

people got bored and they became unpopular

i spoke about sony and microsoft because they are now going to try and copy the wii, but ultimately i dont even blame them, all of these people are just trying to make money, they couldnt care less if a game isnt much different as long as it sells, and the fact of the matter is they do sell theefore the only people i can truely blame are all the gamers that buy these re hashed games.ULYSSES2004

kids have no patience, no will to learn, no understanding of the greater sense of achievement of gradually learning something and getting better.ULYSSES2004

Nevermind the presumption of making assessments of peoples' character based on their hobbies, you are literally making a "Kids these days" statement, in regards to something that is under 20 years old. That is ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous, is you didn't even reference any old shooters in your opening post. Black Arrow is like, five or six years old. You're acting like all this not wanting to wait around in the damn death-lobby is a new thing. I guess you somehow avoided Quake when you were younger.

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"]i spoke about sony and microsoft because they are now going to try and copy the wii, but ultimately i dont even blame them, all of these people are just trying to make money, they couldnt care less if a game isnt much different as long as it sells, and the fact of the matter is they do sell theefore the only people i can truely blame are all the gamers that buy these re hashed games.shawn7324

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"]kids have no patience, no will to learn, no understanding of the greater sense of achievement of gradually learning something and getting better.Palantas

Nevermind the presumption of making assessments of peoples' character based on their hobbies, you are literally making a "Kids these days" statement, in regards to something that is under 20 years old. That is ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous, is you didn't even reference any old shooters in your opening post. Black Arrow is like, five or six years old. You're acting like all this not wanting to wait around in the damn death-lobby is a new thing. I guess you somehow avoided Quake when you were younger.

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"]kids have no patience, no will to learn, no understanding of the greater sense of achievement of gradually learning something and getting better.ULYSSES2004

Nevermind the presumption of making assessments of peoples' character based on their hobbies, you are literally making a "Kids these days" statement, in regards to something that is under 20 years old. That is ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous, is you didn't even reference any old shooters in your opening post. Black Arrow is like, five or six years old. You're acting like all this not wanting to wait around in the damn death-lobby is a new thing. I guess you somehow avoided Quake when you were younger.

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"][QUOTE="Palantas"]

Nevermind the presumption of making assessments of peoples' character based on their hobbies, you are literally making a "Kids these days" statement, in regards to something that is under 20 years old. That is ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous, is you didn't even reference any old shooters in your opening post. Black Arrow is like, five or six years old. You're acting like all this not wanting to wait around in the damn death-lobby is a new thing. I guess you somehow avoided Quake when you were younger.

No the death in the lobby is an old thing, an old thing that has been dropped and according to me should be brought back.ULYSSES2004

Sitting in the death lobby does not predate not sitting in the death lobby. If you think it is, then you started playing shooters sometime after the '94-'96 timeframe.

As for something being brought back, something should be brought back only for a good reason. Example: People should exercise more. When discussing something like gaming, which is all purely preference anyway, nothing should be brought back. Gaming will develop as popular taste dictates. I'm sure there are a few people around who pine for the days of text-only multiuser dungeons, and think more people should play those instead of these new-fangled 3D graphics games. I disagree. If you don't like the way shooters are developing, then I suggest you start a forum or clan just for people who want to play a particular sty|e of game.

there are no more tactical shooters for gamers like me

ULYSSES2004

graw 2

ULYSSES2004

Advanced Warfighter 2 is three years old. And they're making another GRAW game. So obviously there are games for gamers like you.

What you're complaining about is this:

For example if you go online on graw 2 you will never find a game where people play without respawns.

ULYSSES2004

That despite there being games for gamers like you, people don't want to play the modes you like in them. Well, I dunno what to tell you. People like what they like, and there's nothing wrong with that. See my previous post for more commentary/suggestions.

[QUOTE="shawn7324"]

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"] No the death in the lobby is an old thing, an old thing that has been dropped and according to me should be brought back. I refer to the majority as kids, because i believe most of the new comers to gaming are of the younger generation, i didnt mean any offence to you in particular.ULYSSES2004

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"]

there are no more tactical shooters for gamers like me

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"]

graw 2

Advanced Warfighter 2 is three years old. And they're making another GRAW game. So obviously there are games for gamers like you.

What you're complaining about is this:

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"]

For example if you go online on graw 2 you will never find a game where people play without respawns.

That despite there being games for gamers like you, people don't want to play the modes you like in them. Well, I dunno what to tell you. People like what they like, and there's nothing wrong with that. See my previous post for more commentary/suggestions.

...despite there being games for gamers like you, people don't want to play the modes you like in them.I

...your not actually complaining about the lack of games but rather the lack of other gamers whom like to play those games the same way as yourself.shawn7324

Jinx.

[QUOTE="I"]...despite there being games for gamers like you, people don't want to play the modes you like in them.Palantas

...your not actually complaining about the lack of games but rather the lack of other gamers whom like to play those games the same way as yourself.shawn7324

Jinx.

Games like graw 2 have moved towards being more arcadey, consequently they no longer work as well in a respawn game, the same with vegas 2, the changes they have made work better in respawn games.ULYSSES2004

I think every game works better with quick respawns, as the death lobby is ****ing boring, but that's just my opinion. In regards to your comment here, would you like to elaborate on these changes? I haven't played GRAW 2, but Vegas and Vegas 2 were so damn similiar they could be ports of one another. What changes?

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"]Games like graw 2 have moved towards being more arcadey, consequently they no longer work as well in a respawn game, the same with vegas 2, the changes they have made work better in respawn games.Palantas

I think every game works better with quick respawns, as the death lobby is ****ing boring, but that's just my opinion. In regards to your comment here, would you like to elaborate on these changes? I haven't played GRAW 2, but Vegas and Vegas 2 were so damn similiar they could be ports of one another. What changes?

Write them down.

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"]Games like graw 2 have moved towards being more arcadey, consequently they no longer work as well in a respawn game, the same with vegas 2, the changes they have made work better in respawn games.Palantas

I think every game works better with quick respawns, as the death lobby is ****ing boring, but that's just my opinion. In regards to your comment here, would you like to elaborate on these changes? I haven't played GRAW 2, but Vegas and Vegas 2 were so damn similiar they could be ports of one another. What changes?

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"]Games like graw 2 have moved towards being more arcadey, consequently they no longer work as well in a respawn game, the same with vegas 2, the changes they have made work better in respawn games.ULYSSES2004

I think every game works better with quick respawns, as the death lobby is ****ing boring, but that's just my opinion. In regards to your comment here, would you like to elaborate on these changes? I haven't played GRAW 2, but Vegas and Vegas 2 were so damn similiar they could be ports of one another. What changes?

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"][QUOTE="Palantas"]

I think every game works better with quick respawns, as the death lobby is ****ing boring, but that's just my opinion. In regards to your comment here, would you like to elaborate on these changes? I haven't played GRAW 2, but Vegas and Vegas 2 were so damn similiar they could be ports of one another. What changes?

shawn7324

Did you ever play any of the original ghost recons online on the orignial xbox? or even black arrow?

[QUOTE="shawn7324"][QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"] Im not refering to the first rainbow six vegas, im talking about rainbow 6 black arrow by far the best version of the series, a game that was out six years ago, and trust me there are huge diferences.ULYSSES2004

Did you ever play any of the original ghost recons online on the orignial xbox? or even black arrow?

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"]

Yes the Tactical Shooter has drifted away from it's hardcore strategic gameplay, but current games are awesome in their own ways. GRAW & GRAW 2 are both freaking awesome via Co-Op & Online. shawn7324

Did you ever play any of the original ghost recons online on the orignial xbox? or even black arrow?

[QUOTE="shawn7324"]

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"]

Did you ever play any of the original ghost recons online on the orignial xbox? or even black arrow?

ULYSSES2004

[QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"][QUOTE="shawn7324"] Yes I have, still own Black Arrow & nearly every game in both series. I agreed with you that Tactical Shooters aren't nearly as intense these days as before, but I'm sorry if I found GRAWs online very enjoyable.

shawn7324

Well if you played any of the orignial ghost recons you would know how much better they were online then the graw series. As much as graw might be enjoyable at time, the orignials were in a different league all together in terms of tactical shooter.

[QUOTE="shawn7324"][QUOTE="ULYSSES2004"] Yes you own black arrow, and you confirmed it is the best in its series, however you have not confirmed if you have and played any of the orignal xbox 1 ghost recons. Do you?ULYSSES2004

Well if you played any of the orignial ghost recons you would know how much better they were online then the graw series. As much as graw might be enjoyable at time, the orignials were in a different league all together in terms of tactical shooter.

The comment there about me owning nearly every game in both series, that mean both the Rainbow Six & Ghost Recon series. I would say either Black Arrow or Raven Shield. shawn7324

Well if you played any of the orignial ghost recons you would know how much better they were online then the graw series. As much as graw might be enjoyable at time, the orignials were in a different league all together in terms of tactical shooter.

Better question:

Do you have a problem with every modern video game? Or is it just those on the Xbox 360?

I ask because you have at least five threads whining about almost every element of video games, if you really hate them so much why not get a different hobby?