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Everyone says it's like...such a great game, but it's a cheap violent game with no depth into it, people say it should win GOTY but there's NO DEPTH OR POINT TO THE GAME! you randomly kill people and jack their cars and whatnot. I've played GTA3, Vice City, some other one and Liberty Stories, and what can i say? It wasn't worth the time, it wasn't even enjoyable, it's mindless violence that has no real reason to it. Then, people question why there is so much crime, because of the influence of this game, and usually, i don't think games are influential, but this SERIES actually, can be...
Discuss. no flames, it's my own opinion as well as other people can place their own.
it's a cheap violent game with no depth into it, people say it should win GOTY but there's NO DEPTH OR POINT TO THE GAME! you randomly kill people and jack their cars and whatnot.
Spirit_Warriors
it's a cheap violent game with no depth into it. you randomly kill people and jack their cars and whatnot.
Spirit_Warriors
you answered your question.
There are a multitude of reasons but for myself, it's a way of venting out anger or performing stunts I could never pull of in real life.
That would involve jacking cars, killing people, sky diving, and driving into a paint shop with the military all over my ass one second and completely clueless the next.
the reason why gta is great?? what do you live under a rock?? get the game pick up a bat and tell us how you feel
p.s. keep hittin even if they dont move for like 10 mins.....
I like it cause I can just play for 5 minutes or 5 hours and do whatever. I can take the time to go through the story if I feel like it or I can beat the crap out of innocent pedestrians with a baseball bat and then find some high ground to blow their heads off with a sniper rifle. I like going after the ones that see me beating the living crap out of someone and they're all like "Hey!" or "what the hell?!"...I always chase those ones down. Who the hell do they think they are talking to me like that?? Didn't they see the molotov cocktail in my back pocket?!?!?!
Afterwards, I go work out at the gym.
I'm joking of course but it's the freedom that makes it so fun to me.
okay you say no flaming but you kinda started a flame war by coming in here and saying whats so great about gta....you knew alot of gta fans will be a little worked up over that...you could say that about anygame...i could say whats so great about gears of war or whats so great about call of duty 4....if you dont like the game then thats fine but we gta lovers will know it will be a kickass game....thats just your opinion....id say more people love the game then dontEveryone says it's like...such a great game, but it's a cheap violent game with no depth into it, people say it should win GOTY but there's NO DEPTH OR POINT TO THE GAME! you randomly kill people and jack their cars and whatnot. I've played GTA3, Vice City, some other one and Liberty Stories, and what can i say? It wasn't worth the time, it wasn't even enjoyable, it's mindless violence that has no real reason to it. Then, people question why there is so much crime, because of the influence of this game, and usually, i don't think games are influential, but this SERIES actually, can be...
Discuss. no flames, it's my own opinion as well as other people can place their own.
Spirit_Warriors
There is no need to randomly kill people if you follow the story line. I personally like thechallengeof the missions. San Andreas did have a pretty deep plot and GTAIV is supposed to be very story oriented.kyrissbp82see thats a major misinterpretation that alot of people make...the gta haters always say *all you do is kill cops and innocent people* but alot of the story dosent even involve killing...in elder scrolls oblivion you can kill innocent people....how come no one flames that game....P.S. this was at the TC....oh and on one more note i love elder scrolls..i wasnt saying that bad against it but that was the only game i could think of where you could kill innocents
If you don't like the games thats fine but throwing out statements like 'Well it's just senseless killing and carjacking blahblahblah it's bad' is just plain stupid.
The games have pretty decent storylines, there are activities that don't involve killing people, they're funny games - just listening to the radio on there can be pretty fun in itself. True, a lot of people tend to focus on the ability to randomly kill people but so freaking what? If thats what they want to do with the game then all the power too them, hell I enjoy a mindless rampage everyonce in a while myself but just because thats all people really focus on doesn't mean thats all there is to GTA.
If you don't like the games thats fine but throwing out statements like 'Well it's just senseless killing and carjacking blahblahblah it's bad' is just plain stupid and shows how little you actually know about it and how much you just pay attention to youtube videos people put online of their rampages or the inane and insane rantings of Jack Thompson and his ilk, which is where I aussume your oppinion of the games come from because if you actually played one for more then 10 minutes or so you'd know better.
The games have pretty decent storylines, there are activities that don't involve killing people, they're funny games - just listening to the radio on there can be pretty fun in itself. True, a lot of people tend to focus on the ability to randomly kill people but so freaking what? If thats what they want to do with the game then all the power too them, hell I enjoy a mindless rampage everyonce in a while myself but just because thats all people really focus on doesn't mean thats all there is to GTA.
There is more then enough depth in it, but even if there wasnt games without depth sell really well and are genrally more loved then games that have a lot of depth. There is just so much to do in a GTA game. With all those activities to choose from I never get bored.ronnet
Maybe to casuals game without depth are loved more than games with depth but most hardcore gamers im guessing like games that are not only fun but have depth to them.
i really dont understand how people are attempting to hate gta 4
this is only because everyone loves it so much, they feel like they should want to stand out
tahts the only reason i could think of...because this is a video game where you can live a 2nd life which has no bearing on real life and you can do some crazy stuff...and have the most fun doing it
I agree with the TC as well. I personally have played them enough to know they don't interest me in the slightest anymore. That said if it weren't for reading how so many people get into the sensless violance part of the game so much I probably wouldn't dislike the series "as" much. Yeah there is a storyline to the game I guess, but it's funny how you don't hear people talk about it near the amount you read about them raving like a lunitic on how they beat an old lady with a bat or went on a cop killing spree.
I'm guessin i've played maybe 20 to 30 hours of the series since GTA 2 came out and I've watched many friends really get into them and try to show me how cool they are which usually serves to backfire on them as it reminds me what people find so enduring about the game is exactly what I find to be repetitive, a thug simulator and stupid.
I think Rockstar has really stepped up to the front with this series in giving the industry a bad name. Yeah I'm sure critics will always find something to complain about, but nothing that's so blatently easy to point out that parralels what's wrong with the world today. Maybe a way to take a whole lot of heat off the industry would have been if parents would have just plain not let there little kids play this game and it was left for older people. Sadly pretty much every 9 year old seems to be able to get his hands on a copy so that wont work. Bad parenting, yeah I'm sure some of it is. And the other side is that this game is iconically glorified by many for it's sensless violance and kids will do pretty much anything to obtain this game which makes it almost impossible to keep away from them.
The only solution that would probably work is if Rockstar decided not to make this series anymore.
Anyway, back to your question about what's so great about this game. I suppose it does have a few good things going for it like it's open endedness, it's vast living world and the sad fact that a huge percentage of gamers find the sensless violance to be immensly fun (and that's what games should be about). Sadly that doesn't outweigh the fact it's not a good game for the industry on a whole.
My own personal opinion of course.
i think its fair you have your right to an opinion, but i just want to throw some of my opinions back at you:
1. depth. if u dont think GTA games have depth, then you have obviously never played a GTA game.
2. the point. if you play the games story then you'd realise that the game has perhaps the greatest writing and narrative of any game.
3. causing crime. there is no way that GTA games cause crime, just because the game is about commiting crimes and the real world is full of crimes that doesnt mean theres a link between the two. what if monsters starting tearing through the ground, are you going to blame Gears Of War for that?
we find the violence fun because it is something we cant do in real life without consequence....kinda like the first time you chainsawed someone in gears you found it extrememly cool and fun because you never get to chainsaw someone in real lifeI agree with the TC as well. I personally have played them enough to know they don't interest me in the slightest anymore. That said if it weren't for reading how so many people get into the sensless violance part of the game so much I probably wouldn't dislike the series "as" much. Yeah there is a storyline to the game I guess, but it's funny how you don't hear people talk about it near the amount you read about them raving like a lunitic on how they beat an old lady with a bat or went on a cop killing spree.
I'm guessin i've played maybe 20 to 30 hours of the series since GTA 2 came out and I've watched many friends really get into them and try to show me how cool they are which usually serves to backfire on them as it reminds me what people find so enduring about the game is exactly what I find to be repetitive, a thug simulator and stupid.
I think Rockstar has really stepped up to the front with this series in giving the industry a bad name. Yeah I'm sure critics will always find something to complain about, but nothing that's so blatently easy to point out that parralels what's wrong with the world today. Maybe a way to take a whole lot of heat off the industry would have been if parents would have just plain not let there little kids play this game and it was left for older people. Sadly pretty much every 9 year old seems to be able to get his hands on a copy so that wont work. Bad parenting, yeah I'm sure some of it is. And the other side is that this game is iconically glorified by many for it's sensless violance and kids will do pretty much anything to obtain this game which makes it almost impossible to keep away from them.
The only solution that would probably work is if Rockstar decided not to make this series anymore.
Anyway, back to your question about what's so great about this game. I suppose it does have a few good things going for it like it's open endedness, it's vast living world and the sad fact that a huge percentage of gamers find the sensless violance to be immensly fun (and that's what games should be about). Sadly that doesn't outweigh the fact it's not a good game for the industry on a whole.
My own personal opinion of course.
rgsniper1
it gives you a town and allows you to go nuts, to do whatever you want in said town.
14 million ppl can't be wrong! Not a GTA fan, then congrats! your a rebel/non conformist!
Then, people question why there is so much crime, because of the influence of this game, and usually, i don't think games are influential, but this SERIES actually, can be...
Spirit_Warriors
The great thing about GTAIV is murder simulation, of course. Duh! But that's not all. It can also teach you how to become drug dealer, a thief, and a pimp. The benefit is that you don't have to go through all that real life trial and error junk. Play GTAIV for a week and you'll have the right mentality and array of methods to carry out the act, all without making yourself prone to those rookie mistakes. For those of you planning public shootings, you've GOT to get this game. And if you're thinking about a mass public shooting, but don't have the cojones to pull it off, just play the game for a few hours and you'll pop the first 5 people you see without hesitation. Guaranteed! You'll be a seasoned pro without ever having pulling a real trigger before.
Actually, I'm making that all up. But that's what Jack Thompson wants the rest of the world to believe. I'm sure he'd love to hear from you since you seem to be singing the same song.
http://www.jackthompson.org/about/contact.htm
So don't buy the game, don't go to the GTAIV boards and post more of your "GTA is the devil" comments there, don't pay attention to the fact that this will be the number one selling game for many many weeks to come. Do us all a favor and ignore the fact that this game even exists. Load up your Viva Pinata and Bee Movie game and let the rest of us alone who can't wait to put that bad boy in the system.
By the way, you stated your opinion and I just stated mine. It's my opinion that your opinion sucks.
P.S. Don't mind my apparent hostility. I can't really help it. I was playing San Andreas this morning.
Because it's done something that no other game has. It created a free roaming world that felt alive and gave the user the feeling that anything is possible. The cheap violence added shock value but really it gave the player a true feeling of being able to choose between good and evil decisions. yucky_straw
Right on , man. that's deep
Because it's done something that no other game has. It created a free roaming world that felt alive and gave the user the feeling that anything is possible. The cheap violence added shock value but really it gave the player a true feeling of being able to choose between good and evil decisions. yucky_straw
Right on , man. you speak the truth .....
[QUOTE="HellRazer360"][QUOTE="rgsniper1"]we find the violence fun because it is something we cant do in real life without consequence....kinda like the first time you chainsawed someone in gears you found it extremely cool and fun because you never get to chainsaw someone in real lifeI agree with the TC as well. I personally have played them enough to know they don't interest me in the slightest anymore. That said if it weren't for reading how so many people get into the senseless violence part of the game so much I probably wouldn't dislike the series "as" much. Yeah there is a storyline to the game I guess, but it's funny how you don't hear people talk about it near the amount you read about them raving like a lunitic on how they beat an old lady with a bat or went on a cop killing spree.
I'm guessing i've played maybe 20 to 30 hours of the series since GTA 2 came out and I've watched many friends really get into them and try to show me how cool they are which usually serves to backfire on them as it reminds me what people find so enduring about the game is exactly what I find to be repetitive, a thug simulator and stupid.
I think Rockstar has really stepped up to the front with this series in giving the industry a bad name. Yeah I'm sure critics will always find something to complain about, but nothing that's so blatantly easy to point out that parallels what's wrong with the world today. Maybe a way to take a whole lot of heat off the industry would have been if parents would have just plain not let there little kids play this game and it was left for older people. Sadly pretty much every 9 year old seems to be able to get his hands on a copy so that wont work. Bad parenting, yeah I'm sure some of it is. And the other side is that this game is iconic-ally glorified by many for it's senseless violence and kids will do pretty much anything to obtain this game which makes it almost impossible to keep away from them.
The only solution that would probably work is if Rockstar decided not to make this series anymore.
Anyway, back to your question about what's so great about this game. I suppose it does have a few good things going for it like it's open endedness, it's vast living world and the sad fact that a huge percentage of gamers find the sensless violance to be immensly fun (and that's what games should be about). Sadly that doesn't outweigh the fact it's not a good game for the industry on a whole.
My own personal opinion of course.
rgsniper1
I really do understand where you're coming from on this. The only problem is that chainsawing someone in half isn't actually happening a whole lot in the real world we live in. Many things in GTA parallel the real world to closely in my opinion. I'm not J. Thompson nor do I even like him, just wanted to point that out. What I do believe is that almost all types of media including games are getting to over the top (GTA being the worst offender probably), they are like ingredients in a recipe, add the final ingredient and bake (bad parenting) and you've got a recipe for disaster.
When I was a teenager we were all playing Bubble Bobble for our video game fun, Castlevania was about as violent as it got. Now kids can't survive without GTA or Manhunt, which I find disturbing. It's kinda getting to the point were if you don't have violence then video games are no longer fun for the new generation, when someone does pipe up and say they like mario they are slammed for liking something to kiddy.
another reason i think the violence is in the game is because like stated many times in this topic already they want a living, breathing world and to make it realistic you gotta have violence because obviously in the real world there is plenty of violenceI never got this either.. the main objectives themselves aren't really that fun IMO and just running around doing random stupid things gets old reaaaaaally fast.
I guess its just for those people who want a taste of what its like to be part of a street gang ?
[QUOTE="HellRazer360"][QUOTE="rgsniper1"]we find the violence fun because it is something we cant do in real life without consequence....kinda like the first time you chainsawed someone in gears you found it extremely cool and fun because you never get to chainsaw someone in real lifeI agree with the TC as well. I personally have played them enough to know they don't interest me in the slightest anymore. That said if it weren't for reading how so many people get into the senseless violence part of the game so much I probably wouldn't dislike the series "as" much. Yeah there is a storyline to the game I guess, but it's funny how you don't hear people talk about it near the amount you read about them raving like a lunitic on how they beat an old lady with a bat or went on a cop killing spree.
I'm guessing i've played maybe 20 to 30 hours of the series since GTA 2 came out and I've watched many friends really get into them and try to show me how cool they are which usually serves to backfire on them as it reminds me what people find so enduring about the game is exactly what I find to be repetitive, a thug simulator and stupid.
I think Rockstar has really stepped up to the front with this series in giving the industry a bad name. Yeah I'm sure critics will always find something to complain about, but nothing that's so blatantly easy to point out that parallels what's wrong with the world today. Maybe a way to take a whole lot of heat off the industry would have been if parents would have just plain not let there little kids play this game and it was left for older people. Sadly pretty much every 9 year old seems to be able to get his hands on a copy so that wont work. Bad parenting, yeah I'm sure some of it is. And the other side is that this game is iconic-ally glorified by many for it's senseless violence and kids will do pretty much anything to obtain this game which makes it almost impossible to keep away from them.
The only solution that would probably work is if Rockstar decided not to make this series anymore.
Anyway, back to your question about what's so great about this game. I suppose it does have a few good things going for it like it's open endedness, it's vast living world and the sad fact that a huge percentage of gamers find the sensless violance to be immensly fun (and that's what games should be about). Sadly that doesn't outweigh the fact it's not a good game for the industry on a whole.
My own personal opinion of course.
rgsniper1
I really do understand where you're coming from on this. The only problem is that chainsawing someone in half isn't actually happening a whole lot in the real world we live in. Many things in GTA parallel the real world to closely in my opinion. I'm not J. Thompson nor do I even like him, just wanted to point that out. What I do believe is that almost all types of media including games are getting to over the top (GTA being the worst offender probably), they are like ingredients in a recipe, add the final ingredient and bake (bad parenting) and you've got a recipe for disaster.
When I was a teenager we were all playing Bubble Bobble for our video game fun, Castlevania was about as violent as it got. Now kids can't survive without GTA or Manhunt, which I find disturbing. It's kinda getting to the point were if you don't have violence then video games are no longer fun for the new generation, when someone does pipe up and say they like mario they are slammed for liking something to kiddy.
Forza doesn't have violence in any kind lol, and the part about mario .. man if people would be like that they're the one that should be slammed, mario is something that should be a part of the school haha, just kidding. But if you dont like violent games there's plenty of other games.
And for your information, i like the GTA series alot and i've played most of them so far, i also like other "violente" games like gears of war or call of duty, but i am NO PSYCHO, i rarely get mad and especially not at people, i dont hit people for real and to be honest i would never do so if it wasn't to defend myself, and i've played alot of killing games and seen alot of violence in movie, i've been beaten up by a gang and been hunted down with a group of friends a night in town because some people got a serious problem where i come from, but I AM STILL NOT VIOLENT even though i play alot of violent games, get my point?
Games like GTA arent even serious, and the thing you do in the games arent even possible, example:
I hit the weapon + invincible code, and is now standing at a rooftop firing rocket's down the road killing everything in my path because i just failed a mission for the 100th time and just had to get of some steam and after 10-15 minutes it get's old ..
example 2:
i hit the weapon code, get to the nearest rooftop or whatever and start firing rockets at everything in my path just so that i could get alot of the cop stars, my goal is to reach a maximum star as possible before i get killed.
how are the 2 examples the reason for real world crime?
i've actually only finished vice city's "last" mission, but i didn't get the secret or the actual last mission at 99% or is it 100%
and i did finish all of the extra missions available, except the taxi, cop, tank, firefighter ect ect ..
the military chopper missions were rather cool though, when you could actually manage to steal one from the military base d:
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