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#1 maninatrunk
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I just got my 360 today, and what is the over-all purpose of the achievments, I know it goes torwards a score of some kind, but does it do anything else? like at all?
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It adds replay value to some,means nothing to others,and to some it's a way of seeing your friends progress through games. It just matters what you're into.
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#3 lil_d_mack_314
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there point? i dont think there is a point. they just make you feel good when you get em :P. more seriously they add replay value to some games. but beyond that there is not point. but for some people "mine is bigger thinking" :roll: so now they only game for achievements...odd.
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They give you more to do in a game but they are kinda pointless.
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Yes they are just for fun or what you 'achieve' during your run through of the game. For replay-value really.

Plus the "Beedoop" sound that it makes is addicting. )

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Some are really cool, gets you to try and do things in a game you might not of even thought about without them. For example completing a mission using only melee attacks.
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#7 Palantas
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Since I'm not at all past self-promotion, let me dig out my Gamerscore Guide for the Novice:

Before considering the nuances of Gamerpoints, we must first define achievements. Achievements are feats that a player accomplishes within a game. These feats vary greatly, but generally fall into three categories.

  • Complete a section or all of a game. Example: Beat Halo 3 on Heroic.
  • Complete a typical game action a certain number of times. Example: Capture the flag 100 times in Quake 4.
  • Miscellaneous; execute a specific action in a game. Example: Kill an enemy with a toilet in Half-Life 2.

Achievements are worth a certain number of Gamerpoints. Minor achievements are typically worth 5 to 10 points, while high-value achievements run into the hundreds of points each.

Games have varying numbers of achievements, but they all add up to the same total value of Gamerpoints. All Xbox 360 games purchased off the shelf (like Halo 3) can earn up to 1,000 Gamerpoints. Games downloaded off Xbox Live (like Uno) are worth up to 200 points. Some games have additional downloadable content (like Oblivion) that can add up to an extra 250 points on top of the 1,000. Note that original Xbox games (like Halo: Combat Evolved) played on the 360, or Xbox Originals (like Fable) downloaded from Xbox Live are worth no points.

Gamerpoints from all of a player's games add up to a player's total Gamerscore. In theory, Gamerscores allow players to guage their relative experience level on the Xbox 360. Xbox.com defines the Gamerscore as "A cumulative score of all achievements that allows you to quickly guage and compare the accomplishments and experience of other gamers." Reality, as is often the case, is much more complicated.

Gamerscores are very nebulous, for the following reasons...

  • Games differ dramatically in how easy or hard it is to get all 1,000 points. A typical game played on the "normal" difficulty will net about 300 points. Some games, like Perfect Dark Zero, are extremely stingy with points, awarding only 10 points for beating the single player game on the default difficulty. Some games, like Peter Jackson's King Kong, are extremely generous with points, giving out all 1,000 simply for completing the game.
  • Most games have a split of about 75%/25% being earned offline/online, although there are obvious exceptions for games that have no online mode, like Mass Effect. Even still, all of Call of Duty 4's points are earned offline, even though Call of Duty is very multiplayer oriented. Players who do have access to, cannot afford, or have no interest in extensive Xbox Live play will be unable to earn all of many games' points.
  • Further complicating matters is the fact that the same game will have very easy points and extremely hard points. Quake 4 has a number of points earned just for playing through the game or playing a relatively small number of multiplayer matches. However, the difficulty for similarly-valued achievements increases until it hits proportions of "Play over 5,000 matches" for the "Seasoned Warrior" achievement.
  • Some achievements are so difficult to achieve as to be beyond the grasp of most players. The "Survivalist" achievement in F.E.A.R. requires the player to beat the entire singleplayer game without dying. Even worse is the "Number 1" achievement in Quake 4 that reads, "Reach number one on the All Gametypes ranked leader board," in effect, demanding that, the player be the best in the world in order to earn this achievement.

Knowing all the above, it becomes apparent that, with few exceptions, it is much easier to get 250/1000 in four different games, than it is to earn 1000/1000 in a single game. Given the same amount of time, a player will amass far more Gamerpoints skimming the surface of a great number of games, rather than playing a few games in depth. A player with a Gamerscore of 18,000 has not necessarily played more Xbox than a player with 15,000. Like the Pirate's Code, Gamerscores are more guidelines, rather than hard and fast rules.

G = Guidelines

Keeping that in mind, Gamerscores can be used as guidelines for gauging a player's experience based on the point value's prevalence in the Xbox Live community.

  • A Gamerscore under 5,000 is unimpressive, and is very common.
  • A Gamerscore between 5,000 and 20,000 is in the marginal-to-decent bracket, and also common. Most dedicated gamers fall in this group.
  • Gamerscores over 20,000 indicate a great deal of playing time, and are less common.
  • Gamerscores over 30,000 are quite rare.
  • Gamerscores over 50,000 are exceedingly rare.
  • A Gamerscore above 200,000 is world-cla'ss

Handily enough, Gamerscores do more than function as "experience points." Gamerscore achievements prove that a player has accomplished certain things in a game. For difficult achievements, these can be a source of pride to players, such as the infamous "Mile High Club" achievement in Call of Duty 4. Even more poignant, achievements be used to show what a player has not attained. Presented below are two scenarios.

  • A forum troll makes numerous complaints about the gameplay in Gears of War, and describes at length various bogus scenarios that annoyed him in the game. A quick check of his Xbox Live profile reveals that he does not even own Gears of War.
  • A forum idiot states that he easily beat Halo 3 on Heroic with the Iron Skull. Checking his profile shows that he's only beaten it on Normal, and that he doesn't even have the Iron Skull.

Xbox Achievements are a tremendous boon to voices of reason on gaming forums, who love nothing more than to expose liars and braggarts for what they are. With that thought, Thought of the Day: Gaming's "Gamerscore Guide for the Novice" will wind down. In conclusion, Gamerscores attach an element of accomplishment and permanence to one's gaming. This author applauds Microsoft's inclusion of them with the Xbox 360.

And there you have it. Forum posters, feel free to rip into anything you disagree with.

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It's just a score that goes next to your name.
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Since I'm not at all past self-promotion, let me dig out my Gamerscore Guide for the Novice:

Before considering the nuances of Gamerpoints, we must first define achievements. Achievements are feats that a player accomplishes within a game. These feats vary greatly, but generally fall into three categories.

  • Complete a section or all of a game. Example: Beat Halo 3 on Heroic.
  • Complete a typical game action a certain number of times. Example: Capture the flag 100 times in Quake 4.
  • Miscellaneous; execute a specific action in a game. Example: Kill an enemy with a toilet in Half-Life 2.

Achievements are worth a certain number of Gamerpoints. Minor achievements are typically worth 5 to 10 points, while high-value achievements run into the hundreds of points each.

Games have varying numbers of achievements, but they all add up to the same total value of Gamerpoints. All Xbox 360 games purchased off the shelf (like Halo 3) can earn up to 1,000 Gamerpoints. Games downloaded off Xbox Live (like Uno) are worth up to 200 points. Some games have additional downloadable content (like Oblivion) that can add up to an extra 250 points on top of the 1,000. Note that original Xbox games (like Halo: Combat Evolved) played on the 360, or Xbox Originals (like Fable) downloaded from Xbox Live are worth no points.

Gamerpoints from all of a player's games add up to a player's total Gamerscore. In theory, Gamerscores allow players to guage their relative experience level on the Xbox 360. Xbox.com defines the Gamerscore as "A cumulative score of all achievements that allows you to quickly guage and compare the accomplishments and experience of other gamers." Reality, as is often the case, is much more complicated.

Gamerscores are very nebulous, for the following reasons...

  • Games differ dramatically in how easy or hard it is to get all 1,000 points. A typical game played on the "normal" difficulty will net about 300 points. Some games, like Perfect Dark Zero, are extremely stingy with points, awarding only 10 points for beating the single player game on the default difficulty. Some games, like Peter Jackson's King Kong, are extremely generous with points, giving out all 1,000 simply for completing the game.
  • Most games have a split of about 75%/25% being earned offline/online, although there are obvious exceptions for games that have no online mode, like Mass Effect. Even still, all of Call of Duty 4's points are earned offline, even though Call of Duty is very multiplayer oriented. Players who do have access to, cannot afford, or have no interest in extensive Xbox Live play will be unable to earn all of many games' points.
  • Further complicating matters is the fact that the same game will have very easy points and extremely hard points. Quake 4 has a number of points earned just for playing through the game or playing a relatively small number of multiplayer matches. However, the difficulty for similarly-valued achievements increases until it hits proportions of "Play over 5,000 matches" for the "Seasoned Warrior" achievement.
  • Some achievements are so difficult to achieve as to be beyond the grasp of most players. The "Survivalist" achievement in F.E.A.R. requires the player to beat the entire singleplayer game without dying. Even worse is the "Number 1" achievement in Quake 4 that reads, "Reach number one on the All Gametypes ranked leader board," in effect, demanding that, the player be the best in the world in order to earn this achievement.

Knowing all the above, it becomes apparent that, with few exceptions, it is much easier to get 250/1000 in four different games, than it is to earn 1000/1000 in a single game. Given the same amount of time, a player will amass far more Gamerpoints skimming the surface of a great number of games, rather than playing a few games in depth. A player with a Gamerscore of 18,000 has not necessarily played more Xbox than a player with 15,000. Like the Pirate's Code, Gamerscores are more guidelines, rather than hard and fast rules.

G = Guidelines

Keeping that in mind, Gamerscores can be used as guidelines for gauging a player's experience based on the point value's prevalence in the Xbox Live community.

  • A Gamerscore under 5,000 is unimpressive, and is very common.
  • A Gamerscore between 5,000 and 20,000 is in the marginal-to-decent bracket, and also common. Most dedicated gamers fall in this group.
  • Gamerscores over 20,000 indicate a great deal of playing time, and are less common.
  • Gamerscores over 30,000 are quite rare.
  • Gamerscores over 50,000 are exceedingly rare.
  • A Gamerscore above 200,000 is world-cla'ss

Handily enough, Gamerscores do more than function as "experience points." Gamerscore achievements prove that a player has accomplished certain things in a game. For difficult achievements, these can be a source of pride to players, such as the infamous "Mile High Club" achievement in Call of Duty 4. Even more poignant, achievements be used to show what a player has not attained. Presented below are two scenarios.

  • A forum troll makes numerous complaints about the gameplay in Gears of War, and describes at length various bogus scenarios that annoyed him in the game. A quick check of his Xbox Live profile reveals that he does not even own Gears of War.
  • A forum idiot states that he easily beat Halo 3 on Heroic with the Iron Skull. Checking his profile shows that he's only beaten it on Normal, and that he doesn't even have the Iron Skull.

Xbox Achievements are a tremendous boon to voices of reason on gaming forums, who love nothing more than to expose liars and braggarts for what they are. With that thought, Thought of the Day: Gaming's "Gamerscore Guide for the Novice" will wind down. In conclusion, Gamerscores attach an element of accomplishment and permanence to one's gaming. This author applauds Microsoft's inclusion of them with the Xbox 360.

And there you have it. Forum posters, feel free to rip into anything you disagree with.

Palantas

!!!!!!!!! Did you write that? If so, I give you props on that. Appearently my GS is extremely rare though.

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Rare how?..
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Rare how?.. Darkslayer16

He said 50,000 up is rare. You and me both I guess are in that boat.

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#12 Palantas
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!!!!!!!!! Did you write that? If so, I give you props on that. Appearently my GS is extremely rare though.

dukebd699

I'm glad you liked it. :) In the past, I wrote sections of it on the forum in response to questions like the on here. I put it all together for a blog post. For this thread, I just copy/pasted.

Yeah, I'd say 68,000 is pretty rare, and impressive. I'm still in the "common-dedicated gamer" bracket.

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[QUOTE="dukebd699]

!!!!!!!!! Did you write that? If so, I give you props on that. Appearently my GS is extremely rare though.

Palantas

I'm glad you liked it. :) In the past, I wrote sections of it on the forum in response to questions like the on here. I put it all together for a blog post. For this thread, I just copy/pasted.

Yeah, I'd say 68,000 is pretty rare, and impressive. I'm still in the "common-dedicated gamer" bracket.

I've had my 360 since launch and had GF for 2 years so that really is the only reason.

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#14 Palantas
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Rare how?..

Darkslayer16

I didn't do any research, so all of the above is based on my experience on Live and forums like this one, but...

Yeah, rare, like, there's not a lot of people who have a 50,000+ Gamerscore. And before someone gets on MyGamerCard.net and says, "Wuh? There's like 12,000 people in the US who have that many points, moron!", let me say that as a percentage of the Live population, 50,000+ is very, very small, that is: rare.

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[QUOTE="Darkslayer16"]

Rare how?..

Palantas

I didn't do any research, so all of the above is based on my experience on Live and forums like this one, but...

Yeah, rare, like, there's not a lot of people who have a 50,000+ Gamerscore. And before someone gets on MyGamerCard.net and says, "Wuh? There's like 12,000 people in the US who have that many points, moron!", let me say that as a percentage of the Live population, 50,000+ is very, very small, that is: rare.

Exactly. 12,000 out of around 10 million is pretty small. I checked and I'm 2702 in the world with 68K so I wouldn't be surprised if it's below 10.000

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#16 Palantas
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I've had my 360 since launch and had GF for 2 years so that really is the only reason.

dukebd699

:lol: Nice. Have you had the same 360 since launch? If so, that's an accomplishment by itself. I'm on my third.

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[QUOTE="dukebd699"]

I've had my 360 since launch and had GF for 2 years so that really is the only reason.

Palantas

:lol: Nice. Have you had the same 360 since launch? If so, that's an accomplishment by itself. I'm on my third.

My 360 red ringed within 2 hours of buying it. I'm on my 4th. Best Buy let me upgrade to an elite awhile ago and I haven't had problems since.

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Achievements are points u get buy doing stuff thats it
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Its just a fun way to compete with friends and make your self feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Nothing makes me feel better than a well deserved 1000/1000 in Avatar:TLAB after hundreds of hours of play.
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#20 Palantas
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My 360 red ringed within 2 hours of buying it. I'm on my 4th. Best Buy let me upgrade to an elite awhile ago and I haven't had problems since.

dukebd699

Holy crushing dissappointment, Batman. That's pretty weak. My first one stopped reading discs, and my second one RROD'd. I have an in-store warranty, though, so I was up gaming again in less than an hour both times. :)

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[QUOTE="dukebd699"]

My 360 red ringed within 2 hours of buying it. I'm on my 4th. Best Buy let me upgrade to an elite awhile ago and I haven't had problems since.

Palantas

Holy crushing dissappointment, Batman. That's pretty weak. My first one stopped reading discs, and my second one RROD'd. I have an in-store warranty, though, so I was up gaming again in less than an hour both times. :)

That's how it was the third time I red ringed. After the second time I figured I should just get a new one instead of paying for MS to fix it. Low and behold, about a month after buying a new one they then announced they were extending the warranty on launch consoles. I got it fixed for free and I was able to sell that for 200 and used that to upgrade to an elite once it red ringed again.

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Its just a fun way to compete with friends and make your self feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Nothing makes me feel better than a well deserved 1000/1000 in Avatar:TLAB after hundreds of hours of play.

Pirate_Fister

:lol: Nice. I had a similar experience with King Kong.

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I like how people with above 50,000 gamerpoints are all like "Rare?! YOUR RARE!" like it is the easiest thing ever or "Rare? really... oh... cough* gamercard *cough" like they have been deprived from their parents at a young age and just want some love and praise.
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#24 dukebd699
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I like how people with above 50,000 gamerpoints are all like "Rare?! YOUR RARE!" like it is the easiest thing ever or "Rare? really... oh... cough* gamercard *cough" like they have been deprived from their parents at a young age and just want some love and praise.xitwenty20ix

I can't tell from your poor grammar if you're mocking me or what. If you're mocking me, I have plenty of friends and wouldn't need to resort to getting users on GS to praise me.

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[QUOTE="dukebd699"]

I've had my 360 since launch and had GF for 2 years so that really is the only reason.

Palantas

:lol: Nice. Have you had the same 360 since launch? If so, that's an accomplishment by itself. I'm on my third.

i have my same one from launch, too bad i just got red ringed >_> it seemed very unexpected since i had no problems with it so far =(

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I like how people with above 50,000 gamerpoints are all like "Rare?! YOUR RARE!" like it is the easiest thing ever or "Rare? really... oh... cough* gamercard *cough" like they have been deprived from their parents at a young age and just want some love and praise.

xitwenty20ix

At least they're contributing to the conversation, instead of popping in just to make fun of someone.

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#27 Palantas
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i have my same one from launch, too bad i just got red ringed >_> it seemed very unexpected since i had no problems with it so far =(

cupcake_JR

I've had my current one going on a year, I think. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that third time's the charm.

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#28 dukebd699
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[QUOTE="cupcake_JR"]

i have my same one from launch, too bad i just got red ringed >_> it seemed very unexpected since i had no problems with it so far =(

Palantas

I've had my current one going on a year, I think. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that third time's the charm.

I have 1 1/2 years left on my Best Buy warranty so I'm fine until then.

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#29 remaGloohcSdlO
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I haven't bragged about my gamerscore in a while... so I'll poke my head in and say I'm in the "rare" 50K+ club. I need a life.