Why all the sequels? Where's the originality?

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#1 NINTENGOON
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I've noticed a serious decline in original, unique AAA games recently, expecially on the 360. Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, GTA 4, Geometry Wars 2, Soul Caliber 4, Fortza Motorsport 2, they are all sequels! Where's the original content? C'mon gmaespot, restore my faith in the 360's lineup - lay down some original games.
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#2 klusps
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What does Gamespot have to do with the game not being original?
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#3 Solidus_Mute
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I've noticed a serious decline in original, unique AAA games recently, expecially on the 360. Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, GTA 4, Geometry Wars 2, Soul Caliber 4, Fortza Motorsport 2, they are all sequels! Where's the original content? C'mon gmaespot, restore my faith in the 360's lineup - lay down some original games.NINTENGOON

Since when is Gamespot responsible for the 360's lineup?

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#4 ace-of-spades93
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what bout : dead space , too human, mirrors edge , prototype, fracture.

But i know what u mean though i noticed a lot od 2's

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#5 DarknessLion
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Well 360 is not the only console with sequels.....
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#6 NINTENGOON
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What? I was just asking gamespot (that's you guys) to lay down some recent original games.
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#7 NINTENGOON
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Well 360 is not the only console with sequels.....DarknessLion

yes, but look at the Wii's lineup: VERY few sequels.

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halo wars, Lips?, too human, dead space, mirror's edge, force unleashed, fracture, banjo kazooie, castle crashers, braid, legendary.
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#9 kingobaid
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[QUOTE="DarknessLion"]Well 360 is not the only console with sequels.....NINTENGOON

yes, but look at the Wii's lineup: VERY few sequels.

most of the games are crap and very weird.

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halo wars, Lips?, too human, dead space, mirror's edge, force unleashed, fracture, banjo kazooie, castle crashers, braid, legendary.kingobaid

Halo Wars and Banjo Kazooie are sequels. And What's Legendary?

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#11 ianp_91
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yeah..i do agree. i was really lookin for a big new game to amazee me this year at E3 like bioshock did last year but there is no new game ..just really good sequals. But after seeing how good these sequals are going to be. im not caring to much...
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#12 Jaysonguy
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So because people like certain franchises you want devs to stop making them?

Great business strategy!

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#13 kingobaid
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Halo Wars isnt a sequel and its an RTS so thats pretty original, since their trying to come up with a great console RTS. and Banjo Kazooie looks like a completly different game becasue u can make ur own vechiles.

Legendary is a FPS where you unleash Pandora's Box and fight Griffins and such.

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#14 --MAV3R1CK--
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GameSpot has nothing to do with the originality of the games on the 360.
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Probably the fact whenever something original comes out everyone has something to say about the flaws.

Here's a few games, all of them are good. Army of Two, The Darkness, Crackdown, Turok and Dark Sector.
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#16 NINTENGOON
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GameSpot has nothing to do with the originality of the games on the 360.--MAV3R1CK--

Very nice observation.

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#17 Freei
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Couse most people are looking forward to the new sequels and not crappy games like xbox-dogs or something liek that
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Probably the fact whenever something original comes out everyone has something to say about the flaws.

Here's a few games, all of them are good. Army of Two, The Darkness, Crackdown, Turok and Dark Sector.Strife88

I couldn't agree more, Strife.

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#19 Mau-Justice
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[QUOTE="DarknessLion"]Well 360 is not the only console with sequels.....NINTENGOON

yes, but look at the Wii's lineup: VERY few sequels.

They call it shovelware...that's not a good thing.

What are Wii's biggest sellers? Brawl, Kart, Zelda, Mario, Resident Evil...All...you guessed it, Sequels.

You have to stick with what works. If it was good enough for people to buy again, and they change enough to the game...why not? I'm willing to buy Gears2/Bioshock2, so I'd rather them make that then waste their time on some new game.

If they never made another Resident Evil, I'd probably give up on gaming. Glad Capcom isn't listening to you.

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#20 Xongu
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a sequel to a successful game = more monies for the developers

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#21 wizdom
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I've noticed a serious decline in original, unique AAA games recently, expecially on the 360. Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, GTA 4, Geometry Wars 2, Soul Caliber 4, Fortza Motorsport 2, they are all sequels! Where's the original content? C'mon gmaespot, restore my faith in the 360's lineup - lay down some original games.NINTENGOON

Faith? Why should developers make original games and have them sell like crap? I wish the 360 had more original games as well, but in the end of the day I don't really care, a good game is a good game.

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#22 Mau-Justice
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[QUOTE="Strife88"]Probably the fact whenever something original comes out everyone has something to say about the flaws.

Here's a few games, all of them are good. Army of Two, The Darkness, Crackdown, Turok and Dark Sector.RoslindaleOne

I couldn't agree more, Strife.

Dunno if I'd have Dark Sector in a list of original games.

It's practically Gears with a new idea slapped on it. Even the buttons are the same...I don't wanna burst your bubble about Turok either, but that was a series sequel. Which I think is what he's talking about.

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#23 Sins-of-Mosin
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New IP's cost a lot more and are a very high risk so when you need cash you do a sequel. Maybe after a dev does #2, they'll have the cash for a new IP. Personally I can't wait for the 2nd Fable.

And please don't mention Wii games. Those games are just like the stuff I have to put up with on my DS. Junk.

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#24 Strife88
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[QUOTE="RoslindaleOne"]

[QUOTE="Strife88"]Probably the fact whenever something original comes out everyone has something to say about the flaws.

Here's a few games, all of them are good. Army of Two, The Darkness, Crackdown, Turok and Dark Sector.Mau-Justice

I couldn't agree more, Strife.

Dunno if I'd have Dark Sector in a list of original games.

It's practically Gears with a new idea slapped on it. Even the buttons are the same...I don't wanna burst your bubble about Turok either, but that was a series sequel. Which I think is what he's talking about.


Dark Sector had original bosses and a good story very much different from Gears. Also Turok was a reimagining of a series classic. This is what I meant by people pointing out small differences that don't matter.
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#25 soxfan2614
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if i had to say its becasue of risk and that a lot of original games don't sell well. look at psyconaughts and Beyond Good and Evilon the xbox. also i know this game didnt get critical acclaim but i enjoyed the club however because it didnt sell u literally couldnt get a single game online. publishers are looking to casual games that appeal to everyone to make money they also no if it has a well known name attached to it will sell better.
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[QUOTE="DarknessLion"]Well 360 is not the only console with sequels.....NINTENGOON

yes, but look at the Wii's lineup: VERY few sequels.

And very simple games too, there is a lot of crap in the wii lineup, but I know what you mean

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#27 WardCleaver02
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Yes, successful games breed sequels, but so what? And as far as "originality" goes, if you wanted to be pedantic, you could say that every game just copies from the games that came before it. Like saying a Ferrari is just a Model T with a few extra bells and whistles.
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Halo Wars isnt a sequel and its an RTS so thats pretty original, since their trying to come up with a great console RTS. and Banjo Kazooie looks like a completly different game becasue u can make ur own vechiles.

Legendary is a FPS where you unleash Pandora's Box and fight Griffins and such.

kingobaid

Halo Wars is part of a franchise, as is Banjo Kazooie. Regardless of what genre they are, or what gameplay changes they have made, they are both existing franchises; therefore in at least one aspect in particular, they are unoriginal. However, I don't see what's wrong with sequels, as long as they improve on the gameplay. I'm looking forward to many future sequels as well as original games.

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#29 uas-2001
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Mass Effect anyone? Assassins creed maybe?
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#30 FUBAR24
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Gamespot has no authority over what games come out
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[QUOTE="Mau-Justice"][QUOTE="RoslindaleOne"]

[QUOTE="Strife88"]Probably the fact whenever something original comes out everyone has something to say about the flaws.

Here's a few games, all of them are good. Army of Two, The Darkness, Crackdown, Turok and Dark Sector.Strife88

I couldn't agree more, Strife.

Dunno if I'd have Dark Sector in a list of original games.

It's practically Gears with a new idea slapped on it. Even the buttons are the same...I don't wanna burst your bubble about Turok either, but that was a series sequel. Which I think is what he's talking about.


Dark Sector had original bosses and a good story very much different from Gears. Also Turok was a reimagining of a series ****c. This is what I meant by people pointing out small differences that don't matter.

He's saying something new...a "reimagining" uh...yea because that's brand new Turok right there.

Dark Sector had a good story? You serious?

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#32 deactivated-5f89ab8e63049
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*clears throat"

Mass Effect, Bioshock, Castle Crashers, Lost Planet, Too Human, Saints Row, Overlord, Lost Odyssey, Assassin's Creed, Blue Dragon, Infinite Undiscovery, Last Remnant, Dead Rising, Viva Pinata, Army of Two, Crackdown, Puzzle Quest...

That's just off the top of my head...

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[QUOTE="DarknessLion"]Well 360 is not the only console with sequels.....NINTENGOON

yes, but look at the Wii's lineup: VERY few sequels.

you are wrong. Mariokart, Smash Bros, Zelda, Tomb Radier.

All sequels prequels etc.

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#34 grafkhun
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b/c people buy them oviously. If people don't buy sequels, devs won't make them. Simply supply and demand. I for one will be picking up a lot of original properties in the near future, dead space, mirrors edge and prototype to name a few.
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One word:

Bioshock

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When push comes to shove, it looks like people don't want originality. Sure they'll scream and yell about wanting more original games and innovative gameplay. But... I will bet that if I make a thread asking what people want to see in gaming, most of the replies will be of people wanting sequels in their favorite franchises.
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#37 Brmarlin
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Sequel does not always mean unoriginal. Look at Fable 2.

And to answer your question, lets see.

Crackdown, APB, Condemned, Dead Rising, Kane and Lynch, BioShock (does that count?), Mirror's Edge, Prototype, Left 4 Dead, and probably a few others that don't come to mind right now.

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[QUOTE="NINTENGOON"]

[QUOTE="DarknessLion"]Well 360 is not the only console with sequels.....Mau-Justice

yes, but look at the Wii's lineup: VERY few sequels.

They call it shovelware...that's not a good thing.

What are Wii's biggest sellers? Brawl, Kart, Zelda, Mario, Resident Evil...All...you guessed it, Sequels.

You have to stick with what works. If it was good enough for people to buy again, and they change enough to the game...why not? I'm willing to buy Gears2/Bioshock2, so I'd rather them make that then waste their time on some new game.

If they never made another Resident Evil, I'd probably give up on gaming. Glad Capcom isn't listening to you.

True to the core

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#39 orb_03_2006
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what bout : dead space , too human, mirrors edge , prototype, fracture.

But i know what u mean though i noticed a lot od 2's

ace-of-spades93

mmhmm. see? there is a lot or originality here.

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#40 CronoSquall
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Braid comes out in like, two days. Not sure how you didn't know about that if you crave originality so much, it should have been on your radar a while ago.
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Infinite indiscovery

The last remnant

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[QUOTE="NINTENGOON"]I've noticed a serious decline in original, unique AAA games recently, expecially on the 360. Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, GTA 4, Geometry Wars 2, Soul Caliber 4, Fortza Motorsport 2, they are all sequels! Where's the original content? C'mon gmaespot, restore my faith in the 360's lineup - lay down some original games.Solidus_Mute

Since when is Gamespot responsible for the 360's lineup?

gamespot is secretly god, everyone knows that :D

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#43 grayoldwolf
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It's simple economics. Original intellectual properties are extremely expensive to develop, and have no guarantee of success to recoup those development costs.

With a sequel to a successful game, there's a pretty good chance it will sell well and the development costs are lower. This is very important right now, because with the dawn of HD gaming dev costs are higher than ever before.

The same argument can be made for the movie industry, but as with the gaming industry the popularity and cost-effectiveness of sequels doesn't kill originality. Rather, it provides a regular source of income for companies that they can use to fund the development of relatively risky new IPs. Thus, sequels actually enhance originality, not harm it.

And as for the comment about the Wii having very few sequels, I'm afraid I can't agree. I have been a big Nintendo fan since the original NES in the 80s, but one of the things that bugs me most about the Big N is that every second game these days is either Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong or Metroid branded. I love all of these IPs, but there are times when I think I will go nuts if I see another game called Yoshi Cookie Decorating and Milk Dipping or something.