Why do 360 games have a $20-$30 premium?

So, yeah, why do Xbox360 games have a £10 -£15 / £20-$30 premium? For example bioshock costs £25 on the pc, but £35 on xbox.

I was going to get an xbox, but the core system is crap (no hard drive) so for the premium version + 3 games you are talking £400 =/

The PC market is smaller which means that there is less demand. The 360 is like a gas station in the summer. More demand means higher prices.Berserker_2

[QUOTE="musicXpirate"]I think they play better on 360 than PC.pyrobrand

So, yeah, why do Xbox360 games have a £10 -£15 / £20-$30 premium? For example bioshock costs £25 on the pc, but £35 on xbox.

I was going to get an xbox, but the core system is crap (no hard drive) so for the premium version + 3 games you are talking £400 =/

icy06

you musn't be looking very hard cause there's always deals like 2 games + a controller for around £300

So, yeah, why do Xbox360 games have a £10 -£15 / £20-$30 premium? For example bioshock costs £25 on the pc, but £35 on xbox.

I was going to get an xbox, but the core system is crap (no hard drive) so for the premium version + 3 games you are talking £400 =/

icy06

360: buy dvd, insert dvd, get as horizontal as possible on the couch, play

PC: buy dvd, insert dvd, apply graphics card patch, reboot, aply game patch reboot, apply another patch reboot, tune the settings - test - crap, tune the settings again, crash, reboot, go have diner, maybe play later.

400$ for a 3x dual core 3.2GHZ Power PC, 512 mb ram, awesome, awesome games, so I'd say it's a good choice.

Just my two cents, though.

[QUOTE="musicXpirate"]I think they play better on 360 than PC.pyrobrand

LOL!! How can my opinion be wrong? I said nothing about graphics either. I just said they play better, which is my opinon. I just prefer a controller to a keyboard and mouse. Typical kids...

The real reason is this:

There is no licensing fee whatsover to distribute and release a game for the PC platform. On the other hand, when releasing a game for a console, you have to pay fees directly to the console manufacture for licensing rights to be allowed to release that game for their platform. also you have to offset the costs of the $15,000 devkits and other expensive, proprietary softwar/hardware/firmware licensing that you don't need to deal with so much when releasing a PC game.

You can trust me on this, I work in the industry. Always glad to answer questions :)

[QUOTE="musicXpirate"]I think they play better on 360 than PC.pyrobrand

mind reading what he wrote? he said that he *thinks* they PLAY better. 100% pc has better graphics, but I really can't see Gears on PC controlling well (even 3 years ago :P). Bioshock would probably feel a bit better on PC though.

[QUOTE="pyrobrand"][QUOTE="musicXpirate"]I think they play better on 360 than PC.musicXpirate

LOL!! How can my opinion be wrong? I said nothing about graphics either. I just said they play better, which is my opinon. I just prefer a controller to a keyboard and mouse. Typical kids...

You are still wrong. Only on PC can you choose to play the game with KB/M, a 360 controller, even a Wiimote if you want. This isnt opinion. This is fact.

[QUOTE="miiiguel"][QUOTE="icy06"]

So, yeah, why do Xbox360 games have a £10 -£15 / £20-$30 premium? For example bioshock costs £25 on the pc, but £35 on xbox.

I was going to get an xbox, but the core system is crap (no hard drive) so for the premium version + 3 games you are talking £400 =/

TheCrazed420

360: buy dvd, insert dvd, get as horizontal as possible on the couch, play

PC: buy dvd, insert dvd, apply graphics card patch, reboot, aply game patch reboot, apply another patch reboot, tune the settings - test - crap, tune the settings again, crash, reboot, go have diner, maybe play later.

400$ for a 3x dual core 3.2GHZ Power PC, 512 mb ram, awesome, awesome games, so I'd say it's a good choice.

Just my two cents, though.

Thats the biggest load of crap, who you trying to fool?

If you cant put a DVD in, hit next a few times, let it install and then play then you sir, are a little dense.

don't talk to me like that, we are not school mates.

[QUOTE="musicXpirate"]

[QUOTE="pyrobrand"][QUOTE="musicXpirate"]I think they play better on 360 than PC.TheCrazed420

So I can't have a preference? My bad...

LOL!! How can my opinion be wrong? I said nothing about graphics either. I just said they play better, which is my opinon. I just prefer a controller to a keyboard and mouse. Typical kids...

You are still wrong. Only on PC can you choose to play the game with KB/M, a 360 controller, even a Wiimote if you want. This isnt opinion. This is fact.

So I can't have a choice now? My bad...

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="miiiguel"][QUOTE="icy06"]

So, yeah, why do Xbox360 games have a £10 -£15 / £20-$30 premium? For example bioshock costs £25 on the pc, but £35 on xbox.

I was going to get an xbox, but the core system is crap (no hard drive) so for the premium version + 3 games you are talking £400 =/

miiiguel

360: buy dvd, insert dvd, get as horizontal as possible on the couch, play

PC: buy dvd, insert dvd, apply graphics card patch, reboot, aply game patch reboot, apply another patch reboot, tune the settings - test - crap, tune the settings again, crash, reboot, go have diner, maybe play later.

400$ for a 3x dual core 3.2GHZ Power PC, 512 mb ram, awesome, awesome games, so I'd say it's a good choice.

Just my two cents, though.

Thats the biggest load of crap, who you trying to fool?

If you cant put a DVD in, hit next a few times, let it install and then play then you sir, are a little dense.

don't talk to me like that, we are not school mates.

No problem, next time just don't flat out lie and I'll leave you alone.

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="musicXpirate"]

[QUOTE="pyrobrand"][QUOTE="musicXpirate"]I think they play better on 360 than PC.musicXpirate

So I can't have a preference? My bad...

LOL!! How can my opinion be wrong? I said nothing about graphics either. I just said they play better, which is my opinon. I just prefer a controller to a keyboard and mouse. Typical kids...

You are still wrong. Only on PC can you choose to play the game with KB/M, a 360 controller, even a Wiimote if you want. This isnt opinion. This is fact.

So I can't have a choice now? My bad...

Nono, thats not what I meant. I was just saying that if you prefer to use a controller, the PC can still offer you that option. So , in the end, it plays better on PC simply because its the only platform that gives you so many choices in the controls department.

[QUOTE="musicXpirate"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="musicXpirate"]

[QUOTE="pyrobrand"][QUOTE="musicXpirate"]I think they play better on 360 than PC.TheCrazed420

So I can't have a preference? My bad...

LOL!! How can my opinion be wrong? I said nothing about graphics either. I just said they play better, which is my opinon. I just prefer a controller to a keyboard and mouse. Typical kids...

You are still wrong. Only on PC can you choose to play the game with KB/M, a 360 controller, even a Wiimote if you want. This isnt opinion. This is fact.

So I can't have a choice now? My bad...

Nono, thats not what I meant. I was just saying that if you prefer to use a controller, the PC can still offer you that option. So , in the end, it plays better on PC simply because its the only platform that gives you so many choices in the controls department.

True, but the thing is, I hate playing games on PC all together. The only one I slighty get into are shooters.

The real reason is this:

There is no licensing fee whatsover to distribute and release a game for the PC platform. On the other hand, when releasing a game for a console, you have to pay fees directly to the console manufacture for licensing rights to be allowed to release that game for their platform. also you have to offset the costs of the $15,000 devkits and other expensive, proprietary softwar/hardware/firmware licensing that you don't need to deal with so much when releasing a PC game.

You can trust me on this, I work in the industry. Always glad to answer questions :)

maxxorz

Maxxorz is absolutely right. The question is answered. Stop bickering and let this thread sink.

[QUOTE="musicXpirate"]I think they play better on 360 than PC.pyrobrand

400$ for a 3x dual core 3.2GHZ Power PC, 512 mb ram, awesome, awesome games, so I'd say it's a good choice.

Just my two cents, though.

miiiguel

£400 = $800 Btw. For the premium package with 3 games its about £400 (amazon prices), I haven't checked for bundle deals yet, but the games just seem too overpriced to me, to justify buying one.

@ maxxorz - Yeah, I guess thats why the premium exists M$ as usual, I suppose they have to make their money somewere, but meh..

I hope next gen games don't cost £50 that would be ridiculous. Another point to make is that we get ripped of here in the UK.

Prices for halo 3

Amazon UK - £40 = $80

Amazon US - $60

... Which sucks.

How did this turn into a thread about PC versus console?

Here's an opinion for you: I like consoles better than PC. Why? Because I do. Because it IS true that many games, especially new ones, require tweaking and such on a PC, because even a high-end PC requires upgrades every year or two, and they are expensive.

If I buy six games per year (about typical for me), I pay about $120 for the priveledge of playing it on the 360. That money also ensures me of 100% compatibility. AND, until the day that the XBOX 720 comes out, I will not need to do a thing to my 360 to make it play a brand-spanking new game.

If I buy a PC that is capable of playing games better than a 360, I will pay a minimum of $800, and much more realistically over $1000. Even if you assume no upgrades for 4 years, I will only have paid about $480 in "premiums" to play on the 360. So, $400 system plus $480 premium is about $880. I bet you spend much more than that on PC hardware in a 4-year span.

Even if you play more games than me and would pay a higher premium on games, you still have a lower-cost point-of-entry on a console.

So take your pick. I like consoles. I like playing games while sitting in my recliner and watching a 54" screen in HD. You can make arguments that your PC is better, but it's still just an opinion. Your choice in controllers doesn't matter to me. I don't want to play my 360 with a KBM, and I certainly don't want to do it with a Wii-mote. It is therefore only your OPINION that this option makes a PC better.

the reason is simple it's because pc games can be copied and once u buy a pc game it then has ZERO value as for an xbox 360 game it has resale valuegibson-les-rick

Stop making stuff up. You can easily pirate games on 360, even more easy then PC. No hazzle with cracks and whatnot. Just download and play. So just keep quiet if you don't know what you're talking about instead of making stuff up.

The real reason is there is no licensing fee on the PC. It's a free platform that isn't owned by anyone. While, the 360 is owned by Microsoft. The extra bucks those games cost are going to Microsoft because it's the licensing fee they uphold. That's also why consoles are relatively cheaper (when they are released that is) then buying the hardware separetely because Microsoft can earn it back with games because of the licensing fee.

PC isn't owned by anyone that's why there obviously couldn't even be a licensing fee involved. But just stop kidding yourself comparing 360 to PC's. It could be done a year ago, it can't be done now anymore. A good PC murders the 360 and the PS3, and no it doesn't cost millions. Just around 500, 600 dollars and you are done. There is a huge misconception (ironicly, among those who know nothing about PC's) about PC gaming costs. In the long run it's far cheaper then consoles. Especially when you count game prices and microtransactions into it.

How did this turn into a thread about PC versus console?

Here's an opinion for you: I like consoles better than PC. Why? Because I do. Because it IS true that many games, especially new ones, require tweaking and such on a PC, because even a high-end PC requires upgrades every year or two, and they are expensive.

If I buy six games per year (about typical for me), I pay about $120 for the priveledge of playing it on the 360. That money also ensures me of 100% compatibility. AND, until the day that the XBOX 720 comes out, I will not need to do a thing to my 360 to make it play a brand-spanking new game.

If I buy a PC that is capable of playing games better than a 360, I will pay a minimum of $800, and much more realistically over $1000. Even if you assume no upgrades for 4 years, I will only have paid about $480 in "premiums" to play on the 360. So, $400 system plus $480 premium is about $880. I bet you spend much more than that on PC hardware in a 4-year span.

Even if you play more games than me and would pay a higher premium on games, you still have a lower-cost point-of-entry on a console.

So take your pick. I like consoles. I like playing games while sitting in my recliner and watching a 54" screen in HD. You can make arguments that your PC is better, but it's still just an opinion. Your choice in controllers doesn't matter to me. I don't want to play my 360 with a KBM, and I certainly don't want to do it with a Wii-mote. It is therefore only your OPINION that this option makes a PC better.

zaphod_b

Allright, I agree the thread got derailed a bit, but I will finish with this comment.

Yes, it's perfectly fine to enjoy a console more than a PC, for the reasons you've stated. I have enjoyed consoles for many generations now, and I love how its basically turn on and play.

But that aside, the PC simply does offer better controls, better graphics, better online. Yes it costs more, but you get what you pay for.

Sure you need a bit more of a brain and patience to use it, but that comes with the territory, and for most PC enthusiasts, thats all part of the fun.

And, to make this comment a little more relevant to the thread, games cost $10 less at release, and a lot less down the road. So if you buy a ton of games, this can eventually offset the higher cost of hardware.

After 10 years using a computer at work for 10 hours a day (roughly), I don't want to see a kb/mouse in front of me when I get home.

I just want my couch, my big telly, and my awesome soundsystem.

I even have but a virtual XP installation on my SuSE box, and it's going to be that way (and only because I just bought a Zune, no need for Win).

edit: the day the 360 games start to be played with Kb/mouse, the day I sell it.

office-desk gaming, not for me.

[QUOTE="pyrobrand"][QUOTE="musicXpirate"]I think they play better on 360 than PC.PhAnToM15X

[QUOTE="PhAnToM15X"][QUOTE="pyrobrand"][QUOTE="musicXpirate"]I think they play better on 360 than PC.pyrobrand

In your mind maybe. Go look at them back to back. I still have UT2004 installed on my PC, and I own Gears. There is no comparison, and yes I can run UT at full settings.

[QUOTE="pyrobrand"][QUOTE="PhAnToM15X"][QUOTE="pyrobrand"][QUOTE="musicXpirate"]I think they play better on 360 than PC.zaphod_b

In your mind maybe. Go look at them back to back. I still have UT2004 installed on my PC, and I own Gears. There is no comparison, and yes I can run UT at full settings.

So, yeah, why do Xbox360 games have a £10 -£15 / £20-$30 premium? For example bioshock costs £25 on the pc, but £35 on xbox.

I was going to get an xbox, but the core system is crap (no hard drive) so for the premium version + 3 games you are talking £400 =/

icy06

i didnt compare!your comparing right now!and by the way u hav to open the 360and VOID the warranty if u want to copy 360 games so don't criticise unless u know what you are talking aboutgibson-les-rick

I don't understand your argument. The point is that it's just as easy to pirate on either one. So just because you think you know, doesn't mean you know. You know?

Like a bunch of other people so intelligently pointed out, it's the extra development costs that are being passed on to the consumer.

It's simple supply and demand. More demand for a product, the higher the price. Economics 101. PC demand ia dwindling market. Like it or not. I used to be a PC only guy too...consoles have just really taken off these last 2 yearsFooFighter145

If you actually took Economics you would know that just because demand is high for a product doesn't mean the price for the product suddenly skyrockets, there needs to be limited supply for high prices (gasoline for example) low supply + high demand = high cost.

The amount of games that can be put out onto the market is virtually limitless. It's the licensing fees, stop making stuff up.

i dont speak euro

The 360 is like a gas station in the summer.Berserker_2

You're all wrong. Stop your bickering, read my post on the first page. I already answered your question in full fact.

[QUOTE="icy06"]

So, yeah, why do Xbox360 games have a £10 -£15 / £20-$30 premium? For example bioshock costs £25 on the pc, but £35 on xbox.

I was going to get an xbox, but the core system is crap (no hard drive) so for the premium version + 3 games you are talking £400 =/

miiiguel

360: buy dvd, insert dvd, get as horizontal as possible on the couch, play

PC: buy dvd, insert dvd, apply graphics card patch, reboot, aply game patch reboot, apply another patch reboot, tune the settings - test - crap, tune the settings again, crash, reboot, go have diner, maybe play later.

400$ for a 3x dual core 3.2GHZ Power PC, 512 mb ram, awesome, awesome games, so I'd say it's a good choice.

Just my two cents, though.

hmmmm boot computer, insert dvd, and OMG it plays ROFL and it looks better then console.....lol but ya both PC and console are great.....costs more as they can charge more on console bigger demand