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#1 lorddaggeroff
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Rumours are flying exceptionally high that Microsoft's next iteration of the Xbox will come stock with a second-hand games lockout – which is to say, you bought it, you broke it. CD Projekt managing director Adam Badowski has recently weighed in on the potential issue, and for his piracy-addled (or is it?) money, it may end up being "a bad thing."

"It can be a bad thing," Badowski said in conversation with eurogamer. "We are losing money not because of pirates; we are losing money because people decided not to buy our game. We should invest more power to upgrade and polish our products and convince players to keep our products, to be with us, to understand our needs - because we are an independent developer, we have to prevent lay-offs, we need to grow up and have the power to create new games. Most hardcore and hardware solutions will be OK for short periods, but a strong relationship with players, with customers, can change the situation. And for us, this is a better way."

Head of marketing Michal Platkow-Gilewski also added his two cents, recognizing the importance of the tangible relationship between players and developers: "We want to do as much as possible for our players, our gamers. We don't want to force anyone. It's like we did with DRM-free: we give them freedom and we believe they will stay with us. There is a problem, because you know that Microsoft policy prevents us from giving people content for free," he added.

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#2 INF1DEL
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This rumor has been around for a couple weeks or so. Don't think MS has said anything about it. Apparently they don't comment on rumors or speculation. Who knew? I don't believe it, it would drive more people to Playstation.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/next-xbox-to-play-blu-rays-block-used-games-report-6349165

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THE only good thing can come from this is When gamestop start closing down. buying all the xbox 360 games i want for $1

NOW heres the deal. when and if this happens most likely sony will follow. I be playing far less games. SO what they need do for me play more games?

option 1: offer money back in x amount of days IF there game sucks.

option 2 cut the price at least in half.

I like option 1: WHY? bbecause we would start getting better games and not half crap, buggy junk. devs will start making better games because gamers be able get their money back if their crap sucks

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THE only good thing can come from this is When gamestop start closing down. buying all the xbox 360 games i want for $1

NOW heres the deal. when and if this happens most likely sony will follow. I be playing far less games. SO what they need do for me play more games?

option 1: offer money back in x amount of days IF there game sucks.

option 2 cut the price at least in half.

I like option 1: WHY? bbecause we would start getting better games and not half crap, buggy junk. devs will start making better games because gamers be able get their money back if their crap sucks

k2theswiss

You understand that not only are games the cheapest they've ever been but also there has never been more information on the quality of games then now right?

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pay to play online n now buy new only to play games well that only leaves me with one choice n thats bye bye MS
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pay to play online n now buy new only to play games well that only leaves me with one choice n thats bye bye MSebrezzy1

Interesting

So you freely admit that you want to hurt developers and end the game business as we know it

At least you're honest about it

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I can see them doing this, but this really wouldn't go over well in the gaming community which leads me to believe they won't. If they do this I just hope other consoles don't follow..
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[QUOTE="ebrezzy1"]pay to play online n now buy new only to play games well that only leaves me with one choice n thats bye bye MSJaysonguy

Interesting

So you freely admit that you want to hurt developers and end the game business as we know it

At least you're honest about it

he said he leave ms not gaming for life. BUT ya pretty much, for me It can burn. I am not willing pay $60( most likely 70 next gen) for a game i might not like and it won't be worth a dime once i open it. AND any new IP's i wouldn't buy because of the chance of it sucking or ZERO replay value. I would only stick to IP's i know and completely nothing else. I wouldn't mind playing p2pmmo's games that is free to download that way i only lose $5-15 max if the game sucks. I like mmos BUT i hate the mmos that that try sell you the game then you have to pay p2p lol.
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I can see both sides of this issue. On one hand, it's hard to blame game companies for trying to actually make money on their product. Think about it, a single used copy of a game could trade hands a half a dozen times over the course of its life, but the developer has only been paid for that title one time. If you painted an elaborate picture that cost a lot in both money and effort and then sold it to a single person who proceeded to make copies of it and sell it on his own without handing you any of the money, how would you feel? That's exactly what GameStop does, but it does it by recycling other people's works instead of copying them. There's also the issue of piracy, of course, but I won't get into that. Piracy is wrong, plain and simple, and I'm not going to waste my time with anyone who argues that point.

On the other hand, I think used games can sometimes be good for the industry in an indirect way. They expose more potential customers to the medium--especially people who otherwise would be unwilling or unable to give gaming a shot. Given time, those new customers may become core gamers who are willing to shell out for great titles from their favorite companies. The problem is that some people ONLY buy used forever and always, and there's really no way to deny that that's detrimental to the industry.

Here's the rub: the benefits of used game sales to the gaming industry are only theoretical even though we know they exist. They can't be quantified in numbers or listed in spreadsheets. The downsides of the used game market, however, are easily calculated into cold, hard numbers. If you consider the fact that we are talking about profit-driven companies, I think it's pretty clear which way this tide is going to flow. I don't know whether digital distribution services like Steam or full-blown hardware lockouts will kill the used game market first, but I pretty much guarantee you that it will be dying out soon. Even if it doesn't die out completely, those who buy used games will be forced to pay for a code to even play those games. I suggest you brace yourselves for it.

Oh, and anyone who would give up gaming entirely simply because they refuse to pay full price for a product were never really the consumers that thesecompanies were after in the first place. I wouldn't hold my breath for them to come running after you when you go.

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I am not willing pay $60( most likely 70 next gen) for a game i might not like and it won't be worth a dime once i open it. AND any new IP's i wouldn't buy because of the chance of it sucking or ZERO replay value. I would only stick to IP's i know and completely nothing else. I wouldn't mind playing p2pmmo's games that is free to download that way i only lose $5-15 max if the game sucks. I like mmos BUT i hate the mmos that that try sell you the game then you have to pay p2p lol. k2theswiss

There's this really cool new thing called renting. You can actually play a game without buying it.

/beinganass

Seriously though, I never understood why people buy games that they might not like in the first place. Also, where did you hear that next gen games will most likely be $70?

Anyway, I don't think it will really affect me. I buy almost all of my games new, since they usually only cost 5-10% more than used, and used games are often scratched. Although I do trade in a pile of old games once in a while to buy a new one, so that wouldn't happen anymore. Kinda lame, but no big deal.

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If MS goes to the "only new games" model, I honestly think I wouldn't buy the next Xbox. Generally I buy games used since I don't always just have $60 to throw around. If they go to that model, I could see alot of people switching over to PS.
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[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]I am not willing pay $60( most likely 70 next gen) for a game i might not like and it won't be worth a dime once i open it. AND any new IP's i wouldn't buy because of the chance of it sucking or ZERO replay value. I would only stick to IP's i know and completely nothing else. I wouldn't mind playing p2pmmo's games that is free to download that way i only lose $5-15 max if the game sucks. I like mmos BUT i hate the mmos that that try sell you the game then you have to pay p2p lol. INF1DEL

There's this really cool new thing called renting. You can actually play a game without buying it.

/beinganass

Seriously though, I never understood why people buy games that they might not like in the first place. Also, where did you hear that next gen games will most likely be $70?

Anyway, I don't think it will really affect me. I buy almost all of my games new, since they usually only cost 5-10% more than used, and used games are often scratched. Although I do trade in a pile of old games once in a while to buy a new one, so that wouldn't happen anymore. Kinda lame, but no big deal.

If they remove option to play used games, THEN there will be no such thing as renting.

WHY would anyone buy a game that they may not like? idk because they wouldn't. BUT You know why people buy games then turn out like them? Because the videos of the game looked cool but turned out to be all flash and NO glory. AND if people didn't try out games that looked interesting to them. THEN no one would buy a game

ya there is a chance game will be 70 next gen, WHY i say this is because xbox, ps2 games cost 50, this gen came out it was 60, some pc games still cost 50 but pretty much all AAA titles are 60 on pc now. REASON 2: the amount of people you needed to create a game doubled from last gen because the amount of work that needed be done. AND as games get bigger and bigger. there be no surprise if companys would need even more people next gen. REASON 3: As cost of everything goes up for them, so does the cost of their product.

BUT who knows what the price be, They will decide and if the world do like them, sales will show.

I don't have issue buying games that i am 100% sure to have fun with. What i have issue buying new is NEW ip's that i never playedbut yet the gameplay videos look interesting.