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#1 jokoo
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Microsoft makes enough money off all the stuff it sells to give us this service for free.
How can you trust a service that charges you for friggin gamer pictures? What are they like 50X80pixel images?
They hide everything in this point system to make it easy for you to spend lots of money w/o thinking you are.
Xbox Live even shows you advertisements. Montly services you PAY for shouldn't have advertisements.
I'm so sick of hearing people say, "oh its such a good deal, how much you get for how cheap it is." its all a marketing scheme and you are buying into it. With the success of xbla and xblmarketplace they really dont need to charge us.
so why do we pay...
Because its microsloth and we are all american idiots that buy into deceptive marketing campaigns.
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i dont spend any more than the 50, except on things that i definitely know i'm buying, such as arcade games. i'll gladly pay that if it keeps the service up to current standard. this could be wii or ps3 online, and it would be free sure, but not as good.
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#3 mr-sheep
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hahahah fanboy alert? Xbox Live is THE prime console online service. Don't diss. Period.
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i dont spend any more than the 50, except on things that i definitely know i'm buying, such as arcade games. i'll gladly pay that if it keeps the service up to current standard. this could be wii or ps3 online, and it would be free sure, but not as good.whoisryanmack
so why isn't the Wii or PS3 as good as the X360 online ? it isn't anything to do with XBL that's for sure 40 player Resistance anyone ?
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#5 Sevenus
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it costs £35 $50 a year stop whinging.
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#6 kitty  Moderator
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it isnt all that much when it comes to money, basically XBL is cheap
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#7 h4yabusa
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it isnt all that much when it comes to money, basically XBL is cheap2ndWonder
It might be cheap, but if it's funded with advertising then you shouldn't have to pay in my opinion
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#8 09n
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Personally I see nothing wrong with the £30 I pay a year. It works out to about £2-3 a month. Thats about half of what MMO players tend to spend per game and considering I have about 12 games thats only 20 pence per game per month. A good deal i reckon. Plus there are all the downloads demos movies arcade games and so on. If you aren't happy with the service go puy a PS3/Wii and be happy with that.
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#9 jokoo
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it doesn't matter how much it costs. the point is that microsoft milks you for everything and it pisses me off. im not getting intodetails of why i can't stand their politics, but its just astonishing to me that noone else complains about the price after seeing how much money they make off you anyways.
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[QUOTE="2ndWonder"]it isnt all that much when it comes to money, basically XBL is cheaph4yabusa
It might be cheap, but if it's funded with advertising then you shouldn't have to pay in my opinion

your gonna see advertisments reguardless, i mean that would be the same as asking MS. sony. nintendo to make games cheaper, advertisement is in those as well
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#11 2birds
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You keep saying its full of Advertising, but then TV costs and thats full of Advertising and no one seems to complain about that.
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#12 Sevenus
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They are profiting Business my friend its how it works we pay for their services, they profit, basic economics. At the end of the day these services dont pay for themselves.
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#13 jokoo
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no its like paying for hbo and seeing commercials betwee movies
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#14 Sevenus
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I tell you what maybe the Government should start giving us free fuel?

Everything has its price.

Unfortunatley it costs me £35 $50 a week to run my car. So for the price of a weeks petrol i get a year of fun. My car is fun but a more expensive fun but still i dont complain that we should receive free fuel. Catch my drift.

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#15 jokoo
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i understand its a business. every single music video or movie preview is some huge company paying them tons of loot to advertise to us. anytime there is some featured artists, its not because they have any talent, its because someone is paying microsoft alot of money. every event they have is probably taking your statistics and selling it somewhere.
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#16 jokoo
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the fuel should be free if we have to drive a truck with an exxon logo on it.
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#17 lantus
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Aslong as MS keep's their service evolving above others, then I'll pay for it, if not then they don't get my money it's that simple.
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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]i dont spend any more than the 50, except on things that i definitely know i'm buying, such as arcade games. i'll gladly pay that if it keeps the service up to current standard. this could be wii or ps3 online, and it would be free sure, but not as good.h4yabusa
so why isn't the Wii or PS3 as good as the X360 online ? it isn't anything to do with XBL that's for sure 40 player Resistance anyone ?

classic argument. how about number of users for one. how bout no lag? how bout there are tons of demos and arcade games to choose from. how bout being able to play games while downloading? how bout no friend codes? etc..
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It would be nice but they don't have to. They don't have any competition... until PS3 Home comes out...
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#20 SoralinkGS
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Hey, we should complain about everything that charges us! I pay like $40 a month for comcast cable and internet, and I get hundreds of ads on both! Look, its $50. They don't force you to spend the cash and go online. If you don't like that, then take your business elsewhere and leave us "chumps" with our service.
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#22 jokoo
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no lag, pfff. and downloading in the background, wow thats revolutionary. oh wait, it is for the ps3 haha.
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[QUOTE="jokoo"]Microsoft makes enough money off all the stuff it sells to give us this service for free.
How can you trust a service that charges you for friggin gamer pictures? What are they like 50X80pixel images?
They hide everything in this point system to make it easy for you to spend lots of money w/o thinking you are.
Xbox Live even shows you advertisements. Montly services you PAY for shouldn't have advertisements.
I'm so sick of hearing people say, "oh its such a good deal, how much you get for how cheap it is." its all a marketing scheme and you are buying into it. With the success of xbla and xblmarketplace they really dont need to charge us.
so why do we pay...
Because its microsloth and we are all american idiots that buy into deceptive marketing campaigns.

shoo troll. If $50 a year is too much for you then maybe a $400 console is too much for you. Hit up ebay for a $20 gameboy, with no ads!
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[QUOTE="Master__Shake"][QUOTE="jokoo"]Microsoft makes enough money off all the stuff it sells to give us this service for free.
How can you trust a service that charges you for friggin gamer pictures? What are they like 50X80pixel images?
They hide everything in this point system to make it easy for you to spend lots of money w/o thinking you are.
Xbox Live even shows you advertisements. Montly services you PAY for shouldn't have advertisements.
I'm so sick of hearing people say, "oh its such a good deal, how much you get for how cheap it is." its all a marketing scheme and you are buying into it. With the success of xbla and xblmarketplace they really dont need to charge us.
so why do we pay...
Because its microsloth and we are all american idiots that buy into deceptive marketing campaigns.

shoo troll. If $50 a year is too much for you then maybe a $400 console is too much for you. Hit up ebay for a $20 gameboy, with no ads!

Your missing the point completly, why should we pay for being able to play a game versus a few players where we host the game & it cost's microsoft nothing ? Silver membership should allow gamers to play online without the need for payment, and gold then add's premium services on top MS are planning on introducing LIVE within Vista with their "Games for Windows" branding, before you know it all game developers supporting the Windows platform will have to include LIVE within their games & to play PC Games online then you will have to pay for something that PC gamers have been able to do for years for free !!!
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#25 jokoo
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for the 2nd time its not the price i care about its just the concept we already pay enough. i love xbl too so dont get me wrong. im totally addicted to xbla and i love the demos i even rent movies from market place now. i just feel like i spend so much money why would i even have to pay for this service.
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#26 h4yabusa
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for the 2nd time its not the price i care about its just the concept we already pay enough. i love xbl too so dont get me wrong. im totally addicted to xbla and i love the demos i even rent movies from market place now. i just feel like i spend so much money why would i even have to pay for this service.jokoo
I think you should have to pay if your using the market place & movies services, i don't think that you should pay though if all you want is to play online with a few friends
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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="h4yabusa"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]i dont spend any more than the 50, except on things that i definitely know i'm buying, such as arcade games. i'll gladly pay that if it keeps the service up to current standard. this could be wii or ps3 online, and it would be free sure, but not as good.h4yabusa
so why isn't the Wii or PS3 as good as the X360 online ? it isn't anything to do with XBL that's for sure 40 player Resistance anyone ?

classic argument. how about number of users for one. how bout no lag? how bout there are tons of demos and arcade games to choose from. how bout being able to play games while downloading? how bout no friend codes? etc..

Your argument is flawed, XBL only provides a username & unified gaming, all of this should cost nothing, silver users should be able to use these at no cost because of the advertisment within XBL, then if you so wish to have the availability of demo's and downloadable games then you pay for that service. lag ? what are you on about, resistance runs on dedicated servers & XBL games have to have a gamer "host" a match, which limits the ammount of gamers & lag free gaming that can be enjoyed know what your on about before spouting you mouth off

The reason it costs money is because Microsoft runs the backend equipment.  With the PSNetwork, the developers are required to provide the backend equipment.  A side effect because of this, is that there is no standardization in how online gaming works on the PS3.  Why does VirtuaTennis ship without online play for the PS3.  Or why VirtuaFighter 5 has no online play for the PS3.  Because these companies do not want to fund the online play.

So when you pay for your online play on Xbox Live, you are getting a standardized service that has online support in almost every game that is released and all games that have multiplayer will work in almost the same way.

And the arguement about Microsoft making all this money off of gamer picture packs, etc, remember two things:
1. The developer of the theme pack gets most the money.  Microsoft gets a percentage.
2. When Home for the PS3 comes out, you will be paying for all the little additions as well via microtransactions.  It is the new wave of the future for console makers and developers.

You state that Resistance has 40 player multiplayer support.  That is great.  But what about all the games that are released with no online support.  Go to the Xbox360 section in any store and count how many of the games have online support vs. how many have the same support on the PS3.  The PS3 loses in a landslide.  Even when using adjusted averages, it still loses by a landslide.

Now all that being said, the PSNetwork will improve over time, but at some point, they will have to charge an annual fee and Home will rake in doe for them via microtransactions.  If they do not do this, they will still be the same free fragmented service that they were under the PS2.  And we all know how well the online play was on the PS2 when you finally found a game that supported it.

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[QUOTE="Master__Shake"][QUOTE="jokoo"]Microsoft makes enough money off all the stuff it sells to give us this service for free.
How can you trust a service that charges you for friggin gamer pictures? What are they like 50X80pixel images?
They hide everything in this point system to make it easy for you to spend lots of money w/o thinking you are.
Xbox Live even shows you advertisements. Montly services you PAY for shouldn't have advertisements.
I'm so sick of hearing people say, "oh its such a good deal, how much you get for how cheap it is." its all a marketing scheme and you are buying into it. With the success of xbla and xblmarketplace they really dont need to charge us.
so why do we pay...
Because its microsloth and we are all american idiots that buy into deceptive marketing campaigns.h4yabusa
shoo troll. If $50 a year is too much for you then maybe a $400 console is too much for you. Hit up ebay for a $20 gameboy, with no ads!

Your missing the point completly, why should we pay for being able to play a game versus a few players where we host the game & it cost's microsoft nothing ? Silver membership should allow gamers to play online without the need for payment, and gold then add's premium services on top MS are planning on introducing LIVE within Vista with their "Games for Windows" branding, before you know it all game developers supporting the Windows platform will have to include LIVE within their games & to play PC Games online then you will have to pay for something that PC gamers have been able to do for years for free !!!

By the way, if you would of read the press release, the FREE silver membership will allow multiplayer gaming just as it has always been.  The Gold membership just allows for achievement points via multiplayer to be earned and cross-platform gaming to be had.  Also, there will be a fee for matchmaker gaming, but again, you don't have to have it.  Multiplayer will still be available wtihout matchmaking for free.

You really should read before posting.

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[QUOTE="h4yabusa"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="h4yabusa"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]i dont spend any more than the 50, except on things that i definitely know i'm buying, such as arcade games. i'll gladly pay that if it keeps the service up to current standard. this could be wii or ps3 online, and it would be free sure, but not as good.mclazyj

so why isn't the Wii or PS3 as good as the X360 online ? it isn't anything to do with XBL that's for sure 40 player Resistance anyone ?

classic argument. how about number of users for one. how bout no lag? how bout there are tons of demos and arcade games to choose from. how bout being able to play games while downloading? how bout no friend codes? etc..

Your argument is flawed, XBL only provides a username & unified gaming, all of this should cost nothing, silver users should be able to use these at no cost because of the advertisment within XBL, then if you so wish to have the availability of demo's and downloadable games then you pay for that service. lag ? what are you on about, resistance runs on dedicated servers & XBL games have to have a gamer "host" a match, which limits the ammount of gamers & lag free gaming that can be enjoyed know what your on about before spouting you mouth off

The reason it costs money is because Microsoft runs the backend equipment. With the PSNetwork, the developers are required to provide the backend equipment. A side effect because of this, is that there is no standardization in how online gaming works on the PS3. Why does VirtuaTennis ship without online play for the PS3. Or why VirtuaFighter 5 has no online play for the PS3. Because these companies do not want to fund the online play.

So when you pay for your online play on Xbox Live, you are getting a standardized service that has online support in almost every game that is released and all games that have multiplayer will work in almost the same way.

And the arguement about Microsoft making all this money off of gamer picture packs, etc, remember two things:
1. The developer of the theme pack gets most the money. Microsoft gets a percentage.
2. When Home for the PS3 comes out, you will be paying for all the little additions as well via microtransactions. It is the new wave of the future for console makers and developers.

You state that Resistance has 40 player multiplayer support. That is great. But what about all the games that are released with no online support. Go to the Xbox360 section in any store and count how many of the games have online support vs. how many have the same support on the PS3. The PS3 loses in a landslide. Even when using adjusted averages, it still loses by a landslide.

Now all that being said, the PSNetwork will improve over time, but at some point, they will have to charge an annual fee and Home will rake in doe for them via microtransactions. If they do not do this, they will still be the same free fragmented service that they were under the PS2. And we all know how well the online play was on the PS2 when you finally found a game that supported it.

I understand the concepts of it, but simply the backend of XBL should be funded by the advertisment within XBL & online gaming, just online gaming should be free, all the other services they provide then yes, a premium rate should be applied Just because all the games for X360 are online, doesn't mean they are good, i'd rather have a game like resistance with it's multiplayer features over say GeoW (great game btw), the problem with the way games are hosted on XBL it limits the features that it can offer They both have their pro's and con's, but being spolt by PC gaming for the past few years where i haven't had to pay anything more than my internet connection i feel like im getting ripped off for simply playing a game online
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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="h4yabusa"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]i dont spend any more than the 50, except on things that i definitely know i'm buying, such as arcade games. i'll gladly pay that if it keeps the service up to current standard. this could be wii or ps3 online, and it would be free sure, but not as good.h4yabusa
so why isn't the Wii or PS3 as good as the X360 online ? it isn't anything to do with XBL that's for sure 40 player Resistance anyone ?

classic argument. how about number of users for one. how bout no lag? how bout there are tons of demos and arcade games to choose from. how bout being able to play games while downloading? how bout no friend codes? etc..

Your argument is flawed, XBL only provides a username & unified gaming, all of this should cost nothing, silver users should be able to use these at no cost because of the advertisment within XBL, then if you so wish to have the availability of demo's and downloadable games then you pay for that service. lag ? what are you on about, resistance runs on dedicated servers & XBL games have to have a gamer "host" a match, which limits the ammount of gamers & lag free gaming that can be enjoyed know what your on about before spouting you mouth off

haha lmfao. ohhhhhhhhh. whatcha gonna do? ghostride? ps. yer not right, psn is in no way better than xbl so argument over. dont mention home, not out, we dont really know what its like at all.
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[QUOTE="h4yabusa"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="h4yabusa"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]i dont spend any more than the 50, except on things that i definitely know i'm buying, such as arcade games. i'll gladly pay that if it keeps the service up to current standard. this could be wii or ps3 online, and it would be free sure, but not as good.whoisryanmack
so why isn't the Wii or PS3 as good as the X360 online ? it isn't anything to do with XBL that's for sure 40 player Resistance anyone ?

classic argument. how about number of users for one. how bout no lag? how bout there are tons of demos and arcade games to choose from. how bout being able to play games while downloading? how bout no friend codes? etc..

Your argument is flawed, XBL only provides a username & unified gaming, all of this should cost nothing, silver users should be able to use these at no cost because of the advertisment within XBL, then if you so wish to have the availability of demo's and downloadable games then you pay for that service. lag ? what are you on about, resistance runs on dedicated servers & XBL games have to have a gamer "host" a match, which limits the ammount of gamers & lag free gaming that can be enjoyed know what your on about before spouting you mouth off

haha lmfao. ohhhhhhhhh. whatcha gonna do? ghostride? ps. yer not right, psn is in no way better than xbl so argument over. dont mention home, not out, we dont really know what its like at all.

I never said PSN was better you fool & not going to use home, don't care for it, simple online gaming is my argument & XBL shouldn't charge for it in my opinion, there are other ways to fund the service
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[QUOTE="h4yabusa"][QUOTE="Master__Shake"][QUOTE="jokoo"]Microsoft makes enough money off all the stuff it sells to give us this service for free.
How can you trust a service that charges you for friggin gamer pictures? What are they like 50X80pixel images?
They hide everything in this point system to make it easy for you to spend lots of money w/o thinking you are.
Xbox Live even shows you advertisements. Montly services you PAY for shouldn't have advertisements.
I'm so sick of hearing people say, "oh its such a good deal, how much you get for how cheap it is." its all a marketing scheme and you are buying into it. With the success of xbla and xblmarketplace they really dont need to charge us.
so why do we pay...
Because its microsloth and we are all american idiots that buy into deceptive marketing campaigns.mclazyj

shoo troll. If $50 a year is too much for you then maybe a $400 console is too much for you. Hit up ebay for a $20 gameboy, with no ads!

Your missing the point completly, why should we pay for being able to play a game versus a few players where we host the game & it cost's microsoft nothing ? Silver membership should allow gamers to play online without the need for payment, and gold then add's premium services on top MS are planning on introducing LIVE within Vista with their "Games for Windows" branding, before you know it all game developers supporting the Windows platform will have to include LIVE within their games & to play PC Games online then you will have to pay for something that PC gamers have been able to do for years for free !!!

By the way, if you would of read the press release, the FREE silver membership will allow multiplayer gaming just as it has always been. The Gold membership just allows for achievement points via multiplayer to be earned and cross-platform gaming to be had. Also, there will be a fee for matchmaker gaming, but again, you don't have to have it. Multiplayer will still be available wtihout matchmaking for free.

You really should read before posting.

You should read the press release ! Silver members cannot play multiplayer online games against each other, they can play MMORPG's at a cost that doesn't require them to pay for Gold membership You need Gold to play games like GeoW & PGR3 ect ect online
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#33 jokoo
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can u download arcade games w/ a silver membership
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#34 jokoo
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nvm i just looked it up and you can. i wonder if you can play them multiplayer though.
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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]i dont spend any more than the 50, except on things that i definitely know i'm buying, such as arcade games. i'll gladly pay that if it keeps the service up to current standard. this could be wii or ps3 online, and it would be free sure, but not as good.h4yabusa
so why isn't the Wii or PS3 as good as the X360 online ? it isn't anything to do with XBL that's for sure 40 player Resistance anyone ?

nah, ill stick with gears and r6 vegas thanks, resistance ewww:P

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#36 DrewBlood08
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Microsoft makes enough money off all the stuff it sells to give us this service for free.
How can you trust a service that charges you for friggin gamer pictures? What are they like 50X80pixel images?
They hide everything in this point system to make it easy for you to spend lots of money w/o thinking you are.
Xbox Live even shows you advertisements. Montly services you PAY for shouldn't have advertisements.
I'm so sick of hearing people say, "oh its such a good deal, how much you get for how cheap it is." its all a marketing scheme and you are buying into it. With the success of xbla and xblmarketplace they really dont need to charge us.
so why do we pay...
Because its microsloth and we are all american idiots that buy into deceptive marketing campaigns.jokoo

Play the online offerings of the nintendo ds or ps3 and get back to me why you pay for XBL.  As for paying for gamer pics, you need not obssess over the picture of you thats not really you that other people see.

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#37 whoisryanmack
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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="h4yabusa"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="h4yabusa"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]i dont spend any more than the 50, except on things that i definitely know i'm buying, such as arcade games. i'll gladly pay that if it keeps the service up to current standard. this could be wii or ps3 online, and it would be free sure, but not as good.h4yabusa
so why isn't the Wii or PS3 as good as the X360 online ? it isn't anything to do with XBL that's for sure 40 player Resistance anyone ?

classic argument. how about number of users for one. how bout no lag? how bout there are tons of demos and arcade games to choose from. how bout being able to play games while downloading? how bout no friend codes? etc..

Your argument is flawed, XBL only provides a username & unified gaming, all of this should cost nothing, silver users should be able to use these at no cost because of the advertisment within XBL, then if you so wish to have the availability of demo's and downloadable games then you pay for that service. lag ? what are you on about, resistance runs on dedicated servers & XBL games have to have a gamer "host" a match, which limits the ammount of gamers & lag free gaming that can be enjoyed know what your on about before spouting you mouth off

haha lmfao. ohhhhhhhhh. whatcha gonna do? ghostride? ps. yer not right, psn is in no way better than xbl so argument over. dont mention home, not out, we dont really know what its like at all.

I never said PSN was better you fool & not going to use home, don't care for it, simple online gaming is my argument & XBL shouldn't charge for it in my opinion, there are other ways to fund the service

its 50 a month is all i can say. i pay that a month just for my internet service. so what are ya gonna do? s#%'s expensive these days and we gotta get with the times. its like nothing per day.
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#38 kolidan
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ok i am REALLY REALLY getting sick of this argument and these kind of topics. So you say XBL should be free if its free then we will be able to do nothing but just play online with a rubbish server that lags every minute. Geez whats with the complaining you get what you pay for you pay a decent amount of money for one year you get a decent cool online experiance. we pay for xbox live so we can.....Download games,demos,videos,online play,friends lists,themes and way more so please do us all a favour and just not complain about xbox live plaese
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#39 JohnWinger
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Xbox Live should be free.

$50 a year is rediculous!! Especially when you have to pay $50 a month for internet.

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#40 DarkRider23
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If you're going to argue, can you please stop repeating the same stuff over and over again? I spent 10 minutes of my life reading "advertising should pay for all of it." What advertising are you talking about? I go onto Xbox Live everyday and I never notice and advertisements on the dashboard, games, or marketplace.
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#41 V4LENT1NE
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I dont think it should be free as it ius a very worthwhile service, although the major downside to Xbox Live IMO is that there arent many dedicated servers which are vital to have a fair game.
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#42 guitboxdude25
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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]i dont spend any more than the 50, except on things that i definitely know i'm buying, such as arcade games. i'll gladly pay that if it keeps the service up to current standard. this could be wii or ps3 online, and it would be free sure, but not as good.h4yabusa
so why isn't the Wii or PS3 as good as the X360 online ? it isn't anything to do with XBL that's for sure 40 player Resistance anyone ?



shouldnt u be at the ps3 forums?

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[QUOTE="jokoo"]Microsoft makes enough money off all the stuff it sells to give us this service for free.
How can you trust a service that charges you for friggin gamer pictures? What are they like 50X80pixel images?
They hide everything in this point system to make it easy for you to spend lots of money w/o thinking you are.
Xbox Live even shows you advertisements. Montly services you PAY for shouldn't have advertisements.
I'm so sick of hearing people say, "oh its such a good deal, how much you get for how cheap it is." its all a marketing scheme and you are buying into it. With the success of xbla and xblmarketplace they really dont need to charge us.
so why do we pay...
Because its microsloth and we are all american idiots that buy into deceptive marketing campaigns.

if they made it free, how would they make all their money? they only make money because its not free.
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Microsoft makes enough money off all the stuff it sells to give us this service for free.
How can you trust a service that charges you for friggin gamer pictures? What are they like 50X80pixel images?
They hide everything in this point system to make it easy for you to spend lots of money w/o thinking you are.
Xbox Live even shows you advertisements. Montly services you PAY for shouldn't have advertisements.
I'm so sick of hearing people say, "oh its such a good deal, how much you get for how cheap it is." its all a marketing scheme and you are buying into it. With the success of xbla and xblmarketplace they really dont need to charge us.
so why do we pay...
Because its microsloth and we are all american idiots that buy into deceptive marketing campaigns.jokoo

If you were smarter you'd notice the difference..If paying measly $50 a year   makes the difference between the PS3 or Wii service (systems i OWN  and love) and Xbox live service then i will gladly pay the price  since i believe it is reasonable...i will not pay $130 for legendary edition of Halo 3 though or buy the dumb gamer pictures .

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#45 ajsshadow
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I don't really get the talk about buying gamer pictures.  I mean, it's just a personality choice.  It's like asking why you'd buy Air Force 1's and not say some Shaq's from Payless.  It's just a style choice, and if you want to pay about 50 cents to look better, it's all your choice. 
 
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#46 Flacrackerrr
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Advertisements? Ther advertise things that are new on theXBLMP and XBLA and events their having. Its not like they putting up an add on a new pill or viagra.
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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]i dont spend any more than the 50, except on things that i definitely know i'm buying, such as arcade games. i'll gladly pay that if it keeps the service up to current standard. this could be wii or ps3 online, and it would be free sure, but not as good.h4yabusa
so why isn't the Wii or PS3 as good as the X360 online ? it isn't anything to do with XBL that's for sure 40 player Resistance anyone ?

There's no limit to how many people can be online with Xbox LIVE!, there used to be a limit of 16, but that was taken off a while ago.
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Technically you get can get XBox Love Gold for $40.... Amazon.com it is the place to go for cheap brand new 360 stuff. Wireless controllers for $38 and wired for only $32. No tax and no shipping costs if you choose free shipping and why wouldn't you?.

The way i see it is i could buy a new game and play it for mabye a month or two and mabye get tired (the game i bought is an addition to the seven other xbox live enabled game i have). Now i could buy Xbox Live Gold instead for cheaper and almost add a couple new games to my list. Since multiplayer is half the game i own seven xbox live enabled games that allows me to play almost about 3 new games.

Oh and being a MMORPG fan i know that $50 is cheap.... because spending $15 a month to add up to $185 a year sucks giant testicles.

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#49 Agent_Kaliaver
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I don't really get the talk about buying gamer pictures.  I mean, it's just a personality choice.  It's like asking why you'd buy Air Force 1's and not say some Shaq's from Payless.  It's just a style choice, and if you want to pay about 50 cents to look better, it's all your choice. 
 ajsshadow

Yea but you have to understand that shoes are more or less a neccessary thing. I mean how mean people do you see everyday without shoes on (besides a homeless person and even they may have shoes). Now shoes may also take months to make for the shoe designer, but a gamer picture could just be a measly screenshot. While i know the gamerpictures can help pay for the games i mean hell you already know what the characters look like when you make the game pictures...... so i can already tell you it doesn't take them very long to make them (i am talking about development costs). Now with shoes you can wear them or do almost anything you want with them, but with a gamerpicture all you can do is put them as your picture or take them off or even delete them.

Oh and it would be nice if they added a feature so you could see the pictures before buying.

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#50 RebornInFlames
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50 a year is really pretty cheap....think about how many times each month you waste 4 bucks...I know I value my XBL alot more than the pack of cigs I get for the same money.....